Re: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars

2014-01-29 Thread Chris Coggins
This cell padding idea worked ok to accomplish what I need. But I had to
set top at 3pt and bottom at 2pt, anything less caused the bars to rejoin
as one. I tried to compensate for the added vertical growth by adjusting
line spacing and font size, but couldn't exactly match the rows per page
that I had before.

BTW, for the other replies to this issue: I'm in unstructured frame, and my
initial workaround was to draw individual lines beside the rows. It was
tedious but worked ok for that delivery. Glad to figure out an easier
solution for the next go around.

Chris


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Mark the paragraph inside a cell in the row rather than the row itself and
 the change bars should remain separate. Or at least that's how my copy of
 FM9 behaves. For my purposes, I actually would prefer that it *didn't* work
 this way.

 Although now that I think about it, it may depend on how the table format
 is set up as far as cell padding is concerned. If all the vertical space
 around cell contents is provided by the paragraph's space before and space
 after rather than cell padding, FrameMaker may treat consecutive rows as a
 continuous block of paragraphs. My tables all use cell padding, and the
 change bars are only as tall as the paragraph(s) that are marked inside the
 changed cells.

 -Fred

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 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:45:33 -0500
 Subject: Fm10 Tables and Change Bars
 From: cacogg...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 I have 6-column tables taking up dozens of pages, with each row containing
 only 1line of text. Due to the customer's request, I need to have the
 change bars appear as individual change bars beside each row, even along
 consecutive rows, rather than one solid change bar down multiple rows. Does
 anyone know how to force Fm10 to do this? I've used tables before where
 this was possible, but do not know which settings to adjust to make my
 current table's change bars behave similarly.

 I tried putting a paragraph return at the end of the text in a cell, then
 changing it to be a run-on punctuation so that the row doesn't grow. Then
 selected the changed text in another cell to apply the change bar, but it
 doesn't work. Once I mark 2 consecutive rows that way, the two change bars
 join and form only one when the display is refreshed, even with the hidden
 paragraph return.

 Chris

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Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Sometimes windows open behind other windows.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM, David Downing
david.h.down...@gmail.com wrote:
 I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a
 major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and
 neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get
 to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph
 - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and --
 nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the
 Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So
 either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of
 FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it.
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Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
I don't buy that at all. DITA has major costs that are not offset
unless you have substantial opportunities for reuse and publish in
multiple languages.

There's no rational reason to spend money on low-value upgrades. Do a
cost-benefit analysis and know what you're paying for. At one old job
we were using FM6. We looked at 7.0, 7.1, and 7.2, nobody thought they
were worth the cost.

FrameMaker's major competition is Flare, which does a pretty good job
of importing FM files.

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Roger Shuttleworth shutti...@gmail.com wrote:

All the complaints about prices, pricing
 models, low-value releases, poor documentation, etc. constitute a very
 cogent argument for structured authoring and XML, with its independence of
 proprietary tools.
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Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor/features.html

On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Bernard Gagne bernyga...@rogers.com wrote:
 That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML
 Author (which should more appropriately be called FrameMaker DITA Author) is
 useless.
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Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out

2014-01-29 Thread David Downing
Okay, I have something else that isn't working as advertised. I just went
through a lesson that involved the use of the Anchor frame option. I had
trouble getting it to display on the screen as well, but I figured that out
this time. I tried to change the position of the frame to Run into
paragraph, but the Edit Frame button was greyed out so I could;t
implement the change. Why would the button be grayed out? One possibility
would be that the graphic I thought was selected was not in fact selected,
but I'm pretty sure it was. What other reasons might there be for this?
Thanks.
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Re: Font issue in Framemaker 10, Windows 7, 64-bit

2014-01-29 Thread Heiko Haida
 

Hi Tammy, 

to check your problem I had to buy one font style, I choose the Breuer
Text regular font. 

Now, after checking the font info, it is clearly a mistake in the font
definition. Although the style name is Regular, the font weight is set
to medium. 

If this is a problem, you should contact your font dealer or the maker
of the font. Of course the setting could be modified with a font
program, but this would be against license agreements, I guess. 

best regards - 

Tino H. Haida, Berlin (Germany) 

Tammy Van Boening: 

 All, 
 
 I am having a doozy of a time with fonts in Framemaker and I am hoping that 
 if I provide a detailed description of the problem, someone can point me in 
 the right direction. This SHOULD be Fonts 101, but I give. Here is the 
 summary: 
 
 · I have purchased four fonts directly from the font maker. The fonts are 
 Breuer Text Regular, Breuer Text Regular Italic, Breuer Text Bold, and Breuer 
 Text Bold Italic. 
 
 · There are other fonts in this family with Medium in their names, such as 
 Breuer Text Regular Medium, Breuer Text Medium Italic, etc. 
 
 · There are 8 font styles in all in this family, and they are style-linked 
 
 · I have purchased and installed only the four fonts that I listed in my 
 first bullet. I have not ever installed any of the Medium fonts or any of the 
 other fonts, so style-linking should not be an issue. 
 
 · After installing these four fonts, I see this in my C:WindowsFonts 
 directory - Medium, Medium Italic, Bold, and Bold Italic. Note that the 
 Regular fonts are actually being renamed automatically to Medium upon 
 installation. I did not do this manually. 
 
 · When I open the top level Breuer Text font folder, I see four individual 
 detailed font folders - one named Medium, one named Medium Italic, one named 
 Bold and one named Bold Italic. 
 
 · If I open either of the Medium folders, the file name in the title bar 
 still reads as BreuerText-Regular. otf or BreuerTextItalic-Regular. 
 
 · When I create a paragraph tag in FM named BodyItalic, I select Breuer Text 
 as the Font Family, and then for the angle, I select Italic, which should 
 just switch the Regular font with the Regular Italic font, but boom. . . the 
 weight is also set to Bold immediately. For the weight characteristic, there 
 is a Regular option, so I try to select that and click Update All, but the 
 angle is immediately reset to Bold and I cannot change it. Anytime I try to 
 set the angle for any paragraph tag that uses the Breuer text to Italic, FM 
 automatically sets the weight to Bold as well. 
 
 · I opened a Word doc., typed in some text in Breuer text, and then manually 
 applied the Italic character. In Word, the text is only italicized. It is NOT 
 bolded. I have to manually apply the Bold in Word. 
 
 · If I use just Regular Breuer text in FM, and don't screw with the angle, 
 the weight remains Regular. It does not get bolded. 
 
 I have tried rebooting, clearing my font cache, rebooting again and I still 
 this issue in Framemaker with this danged Breuer text. I tried uninstalling 
 the Breuer text, clearing my font cache, reinstalling and still the same 
 issue. The Regular text gets loaded and installed with Medium in the name 
 in the Fonts directory and in FM., anytime I try to italicize a paragraph 
 tag, it gets bolded as well. 
 
 This is really screwing up my docs., obviously, as I don't want all 
 italicized text to be bolded. 
 
 Any and all advice is sincerely appreciated. 
 
 Tammy Van Boening 
 
 Owner/Principal 
 
 Spectrum Writing, LLC 
 
 tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
 
 www.spectrumwritingllc.com 
 
 303-840-1755
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FM10, Acrobat Font SysbBold

2014-01-29 Thread Chris Coggins
This has probably been asked before, but how do I get my hands on the
SysbBold font for Framemaker 10 (Win XP) that's being identified as
SysbBold Type 1 in Acrobat X's object inspector?

Chris
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RE: Windows versions for FrameMaker 10

2014-01-29 Thread Keith Soltys
Frame 12 is a 32-bit application but seems to run fine under 64-bit Windows 8.0.

Regards
Keith

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Subject: Windows versions for FrameMaker 10

Tammy's posting has reminded me of a question I meant to ask, but I guess she's 
answered it by default (i.e. FrameMaker 10 works on Windows 7 64-bit).

As I will be moving to FrameMaker 10 (or 12) for Windows this year, using 
Windows under virtualization on Mac OS X, does it matter whether you use 32-bit 
Windows (7) or 64-bit?

I notice that the system requirements on the Adobe site here:

http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/framemaker/systemreqs.html

don't seem to say.
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Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies (was: FrameMaker 12 released)

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
Adobe also says it does not support DocBook:

http://www.adobe.com/ca/products/framemakerxmlauthor/faq.html (see
What is the difference ...)

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote:
 Adobe says it supports DocBook and various other things besides DITA:

 http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerxmlauthor/features.html

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 That's great as long as you use DITA. We use DocBook so FrameMaker XML
 Author (which should more appropriately be called FrameMaker DITA Author) is
 useless.
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Re: Windows versions for FrameMaker 10

2014-01-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker is a 32-bit application. Using 64-bit Windows would just
increase the number of things that could go wrong.

On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 8:11 AM, Steve Rickaby
srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote:
 Tammy's posting has reminded me of a question I meant to ask, but I guess 
 she's answered it by default (i.e. FrameMaker 10 works on Windows 7 64-bit).

 As I will be moving to FrameMaker 10 (or 12) for Windows this year, using 
 Windows under virtualization on Mac OS X, does it matter whether you use 
 32-bit Windows (7) or 64-bit?
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RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
Mike,

You are correct. That was my post. The point I was making was that if you 
subscribe for 2 years (no SW maintenance fees required) you are bound to get 
another release.

Regardless of how much someone may just not like FrameMaker 12, it would be 
difficult to accept this as a minor release. Product development has speeded up 
addition of time-saving features over what we experienced 7-9 years ago.



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Subject: Re: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

I don't have the original message handy, but I think the original poster was 
saying that at least the last three FrameMaker releases have been on an 
18-month cycle. We get a new version of FM every year and a half. 
This was previously the case with Creative Suite software, too.

Mike Wickham

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RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer

2014-01-29 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
David,

Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para 
designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you 
are using.

Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface 
to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away.



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Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer

I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major 
snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither 
the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I 
searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, 
which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing 
happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph 
Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm 
making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's 
my error and you can tell me how to correct it.

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RE: Font issue in Framemaker 10, Windows 7, 64-bit

2014-01-29 Thread Davis, David
It sounds very much to me like the font vendor is a bit clueless and has 
something set wrong on the software he's using to make the font.

The fact that  that he never had encountered this problem before does not 
affect your statutory consumer rights, as they say.

David



Subject: RE: Font issue in Framemaker 10, Windows 7, 64-bit

 

Hi Tina,


Thank you! I did check with the font dealer directly and he even sent me the 
newest font files and I installed those and  I still the exact same issue as 
you! I worked for over an hour with him and he claimed that he never had 
encountered this problem before and he couldn't help me any further as I had 
the latest font files.

Thank you so much for confirming this for me.

I appreciate the information.



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Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer

2014-01-29 Thread Lin Sims
Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of
them (some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that
could be fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands.
They're VERY useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus.




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  David,



 Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for
 para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which
 workspace you are using.



 Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user
 interface to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away.


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 *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM
 *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character
 Designer



 I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a
 major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and
 neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get
 to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph
 - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and
 -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as
 the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character
 designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with
 my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it.



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RE: Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out

2014-01-29 Thread Fred Ridder
A graphic and the frame that contains a graphic are separate entities with 
separate properties and separate sets of possible operations. A frame can be 
positioned relative to the page, in a fixed relation to an anchor in the text 
flow, or allowed to float relative to its anchor. A framed graphic is 
positioned relative to the frame that contains it.

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:04:11 -0500
Subject: Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out
From: david.h.down...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Okay, I have something else that isn't working as advertised. I just went 
through a lesson that involved the use of the Anchor frame option. I had 
trouble getting it to display on the screen as well, but I figured that out 
this time. I tried to change the position of the frame to Run into paragraph, 
but the Edit Frame button was greyed out so I could;t implement the change. 
Why would the button be grayed out? One possibility would be that the graphic I 
thought was selected was not in fact selected, but I'm pretty sure it was. What 
other reasons might there be for this? Thanks.


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Serious FrameMaker 12 Regular Expressions Bug

2014-01-29 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Framers,

I discovered a bug with the newly released FrameMaker 12. If you Find/Change
with Regular Expressions checked, any literal replacement text is always
inserted as Times New Roman 12 point, regardless of the paragraph it is in.
This is a pretty serious bug. 

Rick

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Carmen Publishing Inc.
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search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Craig Ede
I'm especially excited about the search with regular expressions. If that helps 
me easily modify the markers I'm inserting using Shlomo Peret's Form Assist, 
that will be a huge TimeSaver for me (pun intended).

Max, maybe you can schedule a webinar by Shlomo highlighting this use of that 
feature.

Craig

 From: mhoff...@adobe.com
 To: i...@mikewickham.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies
 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:18:57 +
 
 Mike,
 
 You are correct. That was my post. The point I was making was that if you 
 subscribe for 2 years (no SW maintenance fees required) you are bound to get 
 another release.
 
 Regardless of how much someone may just not like FrameMaker 12, it would be 
 difficult to accept this as a minor release. Product development has speeded 
 up addition of time-saving features over what we experienced 7-9 years ago.
 
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RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer

2014-01-29 Thread Craig Ede
I'd love to see all the old Mac shortcut keys to the interface (substituting 
Ctrl for the Apple key) as keystroke options. I had my old Unix machine set up 
to mimic those and that was the speediest access I have ever had to the 
interface. Saves wear and tear on the mousing hand, which is a big plus for me.

Craig 

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:16:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: mhoff...@adobe.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of them 
(some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that could be 
fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands. They're VERY 
useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus.





On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote:









David,
 
Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para 
designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace
 you are using.
 
Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface 
to “FrameMaker XML Editor” … which does make those menus go away.

 



 
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On Behalf Of David Downing

Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM

To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
 

I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major 
snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither 
the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I 
searched
 on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which 
looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At 
least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The 
same thing happened with
 the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's 
wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to 
correct it.

 






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Re: Why is the Edit Frame button grayed out

2014-01-29 Thread Stuart Rogers

On 2014-Jan-27 1:04 PM, David Downing wrote:
Okay, I have something else that isn't working as advertised. I just 
went through a lesson that involved the use of the Anchor frame 
option. I had trouble getting it to display on the screen as well, but 
I figured that out this time. I tried to change the position of the 
frame to Run into paragraph, but the Edit Frame button was greyed 
out so I could;t implement the change. Why would the button be grayed 
out? One possibility would be that the graphic I thought was selected 
was not in fact selected, but I'm pretty sure it was. What other 
reasons might there be for this? Thanks.





Hi David,

As Fred points out, the frame and the graphic within it are two 
different things. To select the graphic, click anywhere on it; to select 
the frame, click just outside it, very close to the border (The pointer 
will change from the I-bar to an arrow when it's close enough).


And make sure you always work with borders and text symbols visible -- 
life is easier.


HTH,

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Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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RE: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing policies

2014-01-29 Thread Shlomo Perets
I will demonstrate various techniques for marker management (that apply to
all versions of FM, as well some FM12 examples which use regular
expressions) in my Form Assistant webinar next week (Wednesday, Feb. 5, 10am
PST), 

https://www3.gotomeeting.com/register/885499830

 

Shlomo Perets

http://microtype.com

 

 

From: Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:38 PM
Subject: search with RegExp RE: Now OT, I suppose. RE: Adobe pricing
policies
To: Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com, framers
framers@lists.frameusers.com



I'm especially excited about the search with regular expressions. If that
helps me easily modify the markers I'm inserting using Shlomo Peret's Form
Assist, that will be a huge TimeSaver for me (pun intended).

Max, maybe you can schedule a webinar by Shlomo highlighting this use of
that feature.

Craig

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