[Framers] SVG2PDF filter

[Anna Lena Söderling]

Hi!

Anyone got problems using the svg2pdf filter in FM2015?

I have to choose dpi. Is that because it is converted to PDF?

Anyway, it seems the svg graphic has to have a given size in width x
height. If it is width="100%" height="100%" Fm makes all graphics 152,4 mm
if I choose 72 dpi.

I thought the information found in viewBox="0 0 33.273 11.205" (an example)
is telling the size but Fm seems to ignore it.

Any suggestions?

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[Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Alan Houser]

Colleagues,

I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am trying 
to do similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those on the 
list who have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any database 
I/O capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does not, is 
there a Javascript library that you've found to be workable?


-Alan

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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Alan,

The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC
capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database content can
be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse and import the XML to
FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML object that is pretty good. It
has an xpath method that lets you perform XPath 1.0 queries on the XML
object.

Rick

Rick Quatro
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Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Colleagues,

I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am trying to do
similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those on the list who
have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any database I/O
capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does not, is there a
Javascript library that you've found to be workable?

-Alan

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412-450-0532

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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Alan Houser]

Thanks, Rick. Appreciated. Most of my automated publishing projects are 
XML-based. But on occasion (like this one) the client wants to go 
directly from an ODBC connection.


Alas, there are still good reasons to use FrameScript!

-Alan


On 2/27/17 3:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi Alan,

The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC
capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database content can
be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse and import the XML to
FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML object that is pretty good. It
has an xpath method that lets you perform XPath 1.0 queries on the XML
object.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Houser
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Colleagues,

I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am trying to do
similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those on the list who
have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any database I/O
capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does not, is there a
Javascript library that you've found to be workable?

-Alan

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Group Wellesley, Inc.
Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter
412-450-0532



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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Scott Prentice]

Hmm. You can connect to ODBC through the FDK .. could probably expose 
that to an ExtendScript call. Of course, if you're going to do part of 
it in FDK, you might as well do all of it there.


I wonder if it's possible to make Ajax calls from ExtendScript .. 
probably not. But if that was possible, you could use that to pull your 
data from the "cloud" (if your data was there).


Probably not terribly useful thoughts ..

...scott


On 2/27/17 1:19 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
Thanks, Rick. Appreciated. Most of my automated publishing projects 
are XML-based. But on occasion (like this one) the client wants to go 
directly from an ODBC connection.


Alas, there are still good reasons to use FrameScript!

-Alan


On 2/27/17 3:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi Alan,

The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC
capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database 
content can
be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse and import the 
XML to
FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML object that is pretty 
good. It

has an xpath method that lets you perform XPath 1.0 queries on the XML
object.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



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Behalf

Of Alan Houser
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Colleagues,

I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am 
trying to do

similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those on the list who
have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any database I/O
capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does not, is there a
Javascript library that you've found to be workable?

-Alan

--
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Group Wellesley, Inc.
Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter
412-450-0532



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[Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be off-topic)

[Pat Christenson]

My company has a very large suite of products and I'm the only tech writer. 
Software is developed in an agile environment, with some products releasing new 
features every 2 weeks. The largest product updates quarterly. I can easily 
spend almost a month on its release notes. We are using FrameMaker and 
publishing as a PDF.

In addition to keeping up with release notes (which are very detailed, if I 
didn't mention that), I'm supposed to be writing user & admin guides for the 
sub-products. The ones we have are hopelessly out-of-date.

With all this going on, by the time I finish a user guide, it is soon 
out-of-date and there just isn't time to transfer material from release notes 
to the user guide, repaginate, etc. and post it.

My team director and I are trying to come up with a more efficient way of 
getting this information to the user in a timely way and write much, much 
shorter release notes.

At this point, we're leaning towards the following:

  1.  Instead of long, detailed user guides, write shorter QuickStart guides, 
covering the basics. Once the user has absorbed this, they can go to the 
product's searchable Help to find info on a specific topic. (No one reads a 75+ 
page user guide, right? They read enough to get started and then search for 
info as they need it.)
  2.  Make release notes very brief-one or two sentences describing a 
new/enhanced feature and a couple of keywords so they can search the product 
help for the details.

Although several of our products have very basic Help, there is nothing in 
place like we're thinking of.

So long story short:


  *   Are you producing timely documentation within an agile software 
development environment? If so, how and is it working well?
  *   Is anyone doing something like what we're thinking of?
  *   What are your recommendations for tools? FrameMaker-to-Robohelp? Give up 
on Frame and write in Robohelp? Something else?
  *   Can you quickly add new material (topics & steps) to an existing Help 
system?

I developed a couple of Help systems years ago, using FrameMaker and Webworks. 
I'm not sure if that qualifies me as a newbie since so much time has gone by.

I will appreciate ALL your recommendations, whether sent to me privately or 
posted on the list.

P.S. Please don't recommend structure. There's no way we're going down that 
road for only one tech writer.

Pat Christenson

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[Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Tammy Van Boening]

FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro Source for
text body. (Required by the client).

For Table Body:
I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly double
quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the command of
CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong direction
- it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So, I
tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.

FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned on, I
can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.

Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting curly
quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely appreciated.



Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com


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Re: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be off-topic)

[Hedley Finger]

Can you write the release notes in such a way that the content can be
embedded as an insert into the user guide? Can you automate the production
flow to some extent? Can time consuming tasks like repagination that do not
affect content be hived of to a non-technical assistant? Could you get a
less stressful job, day, running WWIII?


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On 28 Feb 2017 9:43 am, "Pat Christenson" 
wrote:

> My company has a very large suite of products and I'm the only tech
> writer. Software is developed in an agile environment, with some products
> releasing new features every 2 weeks. The largest product updates
> quarterly. I can easily spend almost a month on its release notes. We are
> using FrameMaker and publishing as a PDF.
>
> In addition to keeping up with release notes (which are very detailed, if
> I didn't mention that), I'm supposed to be writing user & admin guides for
> the sub-products. The ones we have are hopelessly out-of-date.
>
> With all this going on, by the time I finish a user guide, it is soon
> out-of-date and there just isn't time to transfer material from release
> notes to the user guide, repaginate, etc. and post it.
>
> My team director and I are trying to come up with a more efficient way of
> getting this information to the user in a timely way and write much, much
> shorter release notes.
>
> At this point, we're leaning towards the following:
>
>   1.  Instead of long, detailed user guides, write shorter QuickStart
> guides, covering the basics. Once the user has absorbed this, they can go
> to the product's searchable Help to find info on a specific topic. (No one
> reads a 75+ page user guide, right? They read enough to get started and
> then search for info as they need it.)
>   2.  Make release notes very brief-one or two sentences describing a
> new/enhanced feature and a couple of keywords so they can search the
> product help for the details.
>
> Although several of our products have very basic Help, there is nothing in
> place like we're thinking of.
>
> So long story short:
>
>
>   *   Are you producing timely documentation within an agile software
> development environment? If so, how and is it working well?
>   *   Is anyone doing something like what we're thinking of?
>   *   What are your recommendations for tools? FrameMaker-to-Robohelp?
> Give up on Frame and write in Robohelp? Something else?
>   *   Can you quickly add new material (topics & steps) to an existing
> Help system?
>
> I developed a couple of Help systems years ago, using FrameMaker and
> Webworks. I'm not sure if that qualifies me as a newbie since so much time
> has gone by.
>
> I will appreciate ALL your recommendations, whether sent to me privately
> or posted on the list.
>
> P.S. Please don't recommend structure. There's no way we're going down
> that road for only one tech writer.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Robert Lauriston]

Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use
the same glyph.

https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro Source for
> text body. (Required by the client).
>
> For Table Body:
> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly double
> quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the command of
> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong direction
> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So, I
> tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>
> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned on, I
> can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>
> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting curly
> quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Robert, hi Tammy, 

the two glyphs are quite similar, but not the same. The left double
quote is a little thicker at the bottom (66), the right double quote is
a little thicker at the top (99). Both glyphs in Avenir are pointing
from down left to up right, so they look very much alike. There is
nothing else we could do with this font given. 

Of course the glyphs of the Source Sans are very "curly" in comparison. 

Best regards -- Tino H. Haida 

Robert Lauriston:

> Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use
> the same glyph.
> 
> https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html
> 
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
>  wrote: 
> 
>> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro Source for
>> text body. (Required by the client).
>> 
>> For Table Body:
>> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
>> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly double
>> quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the command of
>> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong direction
>> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
>> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So, I
>> tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>> 
>> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned on, I
>> can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>> 
>> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting curly
>> quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Tammy Van Boening]

Well, that's just flat out useless - OK, guess I will just have to copy and
paste the curly quotes from the body font and different fonts be d***d. . . 

Thanks Robert.

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com
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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:12 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use the
same glyph.

https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro 
> Source for text body. (Required by the client).
>
> For Table Body:
> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly 
> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly 
> double quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the 
> command of
> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong 
> CTRL+direction
> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double 
> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So, 
> I tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>
> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned 
> on, I can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>
> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting 
> curly quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely
appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Scott,

Are there built-in FDK functions for accessing ODBC? Thanks.

Rick

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From: Framers
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Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:30 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Hmm. You can connect to ODBC through the FDK .. could probably expose that
to an ExtendScript call. Of course, if you're going to do part of it in FDK,
you might as well do all of it there.

I wonder if it's possible to make Ajax calls from ExtendScript .. 
probably not. But if that was possible, you could use that to pull your data
from the "cloud" (if your data was there).

Probably not terribly useful thoughts ..

...scott


On 2/27/17 1:19 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
> Thanks, Rick. Appreciated. Most of my automated publishing projects 
> are XML-based. But on occasion (like this one) the client wants to go 
> directly from an ODBC connection.
>
> Alas, there are still good reasons to use FrameScript!
>
> -Alan
>
>
> On 2/27/17 3:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC 
>> capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database 
>> content can be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse and 
>> import the XML to FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML object 
>> that is pretty good. It has an xpath method that lets you perform 
>> XPath 1.0 queries on the XML object.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick Quatro
>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>> r...@frameexpert.com
>> 585-366-4017
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alan Houser
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:18 PM
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?
>>
>> Colleagues,
>>
>> I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am 
>> trying to do similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those 
>> on the list who have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any 
>> database I/O capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does 
>> not, is there a Javascript library that you've found to be workable?
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>> --
>> Alan Houser
>> Group Wellesley, Inc.
>> Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter
>> 412-450-0532
>>
>
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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Rick...

Not FDK .. but the MS function SQLExecDirect() (and friends). It works 
quite well.


...scott



On 2/27/17 5:12 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi Scott,

Are there built-in FDK functions for accessing ODBC? Thanks.

Rick

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From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:30 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Hmm. You can connect to ODBC through the FDK .. could probably expose that
to an ExtendScript call. Of course, if you're going to do part of it in FDK,
you might as well do all of it there.

I wonder if it's possible to make Ajax calls from ExtendScript ..
probably not. But if that was possible, you could use that to pull your data
from the "cloud" (if your data was there).

Probably not terribly useful thoughts ..

...scott


On 2/27/17 1:19 PM, Alan Houser wrote:

Thanks, Rick. Appreciated. Most of my automated publishing projects
are XML-based. But on occasion (like this one) the client wants to go
directly from an ODBC connection.

Alas, there are still good reasons to use FrameScript!

-Alan


On 2/27/17 3:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

Hi Alan,

The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC
capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database
content can be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse and
import the XML to FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML object
that is pretty good. It has an xpath method that lets you perform
XPath 1.0 queries on the XML object.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
r...@frameexpert.com
585-366-4017



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[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Alan Houser
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:18 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Colleagues,

I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am
trying to do similar database publishing with Extendscript. For those
on the list who have worked with both, does Extendscript provide any
database I/O capabilities? (I believe the answer is "no"). If it does
not, is there a Javascript library that you've found to be workable?

-Alan

--
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412-450-0532


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Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

[Rick Quatro]

OK, got it. Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Framers
[mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 8:28 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?

Hi Rick...

Not FDK .. but the MS function SQLExecDirect() (and friends). It works quite
well.

...scott



On 2/27/17 5:12 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Are there built-in FDK functions for accessing ODBC? Thanks.
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Prentice
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?
>
> Hmm. You can connect to ODBC through the FDK .. could probably expose 
> that to an ExtendScript call. Of course, if you're going to do part of 
> it in FDK, you might as well do all of it there.
>
> I wonder if it's possible to make Ajax calls from ExtendScript ..
> probably not. But if that was possible, you could use that to pull 
> your data from the "cloud" (if your data was there).
>
> Probably not terribly useful thoughts ..
>
> ...scott
>
>
> On 2/27/17 1:19 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
>> Thanks, Rick. Appreciated. Most of my automated publishing projects 
>> are XML-based. But on occasion (like this one) the client wants to go 
>> directly from an ODBC connection.
>>
>> Alas, there are still good reasons to use FrameScript!
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/17 3:45 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>>> Hi Alan,
>>>
>>> The short answer is no, ExtendScript doesn't have any built-in ODBC 
>>> capabilities. The closest you can get is to see if your database 
>>> content can be exported to XML and then use ExtendScript to parse 
>>> and import the XML to FrameMaker. ExtendScript has a built-in XML 
>>> object that is pretty good. It has an xpath method that lets you 
>>> perform XPath 1.0 queries on the XML object.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>> Rick Quatro
>>> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>>> r...@frameexpert.com
>>> 585-366-4017
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Framers
>>> [mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Alan Houser
>>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 3:18 PM
>>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>>> Subject: [Framers] database access from Extendscript?
>>>
>>> Colleagues,
>>>
>>> I'm a bit spoiled by the FrameScript database utilities, and am 
>>> trying to do similar database publishing with Extendscript. For 
>>> those on the list who have worked with both, does Extendscript 
>>> provide any database I/O capabilities? (I believe the answer is 
>>> "no"). If it does not, is there a Javascript library that you've found
to be workable?
>>>
>>> -Alan
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alan Houser
>>> Group Wellesley, Inc.
>>> Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing arh on Twitter
>>> 412-450-0532
>>>
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Robert Lauriston]

As Heiko pointed out, you're actually getting curly quotes, you just
don't like the subtle way the font designer drew them.

I'd live with it or change fonts. Overriding certain glyphs with
another font is crazy.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Well, that's just flat out useless - OK, guess I will just have to copy and
> paste the curly quotes from the body font and different fonts be d***d. . .
>
> Thanks Robert.
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> [mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:12 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum
>
> Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use the
> same glyph.
>
> https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
>  wrote:
>> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro
>> Source for text body. (Required by the client).
>>
>> For Table Body:
>> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
>> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly
>> double quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the
>> command of
>> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong
>> CTRL+direction
>> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
>> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So,
>> I tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>>
>> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned
>> on, I can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>>
>> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting
>> curly quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely
> appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum

[Victoria Muir]

Well.. as someone who functions primarily as a designer, this doesn't sound so 
crazy to me – some fonts have godawful quote marks. But couldn't they be 
replaced/have a  character style applied  at the last minute using a Grep 
search or something? 

Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com  

On 2/27/17, 5:40 PM, "Framers on behalf of Robert Lauriston" 
 wrote:

As Heiko pointed out, you're actually getting curly quotes, you just
don't like the subtle way the font designer drew them.

I'd live with it or change fonts. Overriding certain glyphs with
another font is crazy.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Tammy Van Boening
 wrote:
> Well, that's just flat out useless - OK, guess I will just have to copy 
and
> paste the curly quotes from the body font and different fonts be d***d. . 
.
>
> Thanks Robert.
>
> Tammy Van Boening
> Owner/Principal
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> TammyVB  *AT*  spectrumwritingllc  *DOT*  com
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
> 
[mailto:framers-bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 4:12 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Curly Quote conundrum
>
> Looks like that's how Avenier Next LT is designed. 201c and 201d use the
> same glyph.
>
> https://www.linotype.com/1129827/avenir-next-light-product.html
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Tammy Van Boening
>  wrote:
>> FM 10, Win 7, AvenirNext LT Pro font for Table Body and Sans Pro
>> Source for text body. (Required by the client).
>>
>> For Table Body:
>> I can get straight double quotes inserted just fine, but I want curly
>> quotes. With  Smart Quotes turned off, I am trying to insert curly
>> double quotes in the file. For the left curly double quote, I use the
>> command of
>> CTRL+q R and the quote is double, but it is still facing the wrong
>> CTRL+direction
>> - it looks like a right curly double quote. For the right curly double
>> quote, I use the command of CTRL+q S and that appears just fine.  So,
>> I tried with Smart Quotes turned on just and no go. . . the same result.
>>
>> FWIW, when using the Sans Pro Source font , with Smart Quotes turned
>> on, I can get proper facing curly quotes no problem.
>>
>> Why would the font make a difference and any advice about getting
>> curly quotes to work with the required Table Font would be sincerely
> appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be off-topic)

[Alastair Dent]

I would say that checkin comments on code should be written in such a way that 
they can be used for release notes. Force standards for the checkin comments. 
Then the build machine can be setup to extract the comments and spit out at 
least a text document containing the notes. 

'Quickstart' guides can be a good idea, as long as they are carefully targeted. 
I've seen requests for this sort of thing "Why can't you just write short 
simple guides like this, we don't need such big detailed manuals" when actually 
the 'short simple' guides were more in-depth, they just covered a very small 
topic and specific instance. If you model user interactions and target the key 
processes, yes I think it is possible. Structured walkthroughs of the use of 
the product can also be very useful. They are painful to write initially but 
then easier to keep up to date. As long as the product has good tooltips in 
theory less gui documentation is required.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+alastair.dent=imgtec@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Pat Christenson
Sent: 27 February 2017 22:43
To: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be 
off-topic)

My company has a very large suite of products and I'm the only tech writer. 
Software is developed in an agile environment, with some products releasing new 
features every 2 weeks. The largest product updates quarterly. I can easily 
spend almost a month on its release notes. We are using FrameMaker and 
publishing as a PDF.

In addition to keeping up with release notes (which are very detailed, if I 
didn't mention that), I'm supposed to be writing user & admin guides for the 
sub-products. The ones we have are hopelessly out-of-date.

With all this going on, by the time I finish a user guide, it is soon 
out-of-date and there just isn't time to transfer material from release notes 
to the user guide, repaginate, etc. and post it.

My team director and I are trying to come up with a more efficient way of 
getting this information to the user in a timely way and write much, much 
shorter release notes.

At this point, we're leaning towards the following:

  1.  Instead of long, detailed user guides, write shorter QuickStart guides, 
covering the basics. Once the user has absorbed this, they can go to the 
product's searchable Help to find info on a specific topic. (No one reads a 75+ 
page user guide, right? They read enough to get started and then search for 
info as they need it.)
  2.  Make release notes very brief-one or two sentences describing a 
new/enhanced feature and a couple of keywords so they can search the product 
help for the details.

Although several of our products have very basic Help, there is nothing in 
place like we're thinking of.

So long story short:


  *   Are you producing timely documentation within an agile software 
development environment? If so, how and is it working well?
  *   Is anyone doing something like what we're thinking of?
  *   What are your recommendations for tools? FrameMaker-to-Robohelp? Give up 
on Frame and write in Robohelp? Something else?
  *   Can you quickly add new material (topics & steps) to an existing Help 
system?

I developed a couple of Help systems years ago, using FrameMaker and Webworks. 
I'm not sure if that qualifies me as a newbie since so much time has gone by.

I will appreciate ALL your recommendations, whether sent to me privately or 
posted on the list.

P.S. Please don't recommend structure. There's no way we're going down that 
road for only one tech writer.

Pat Christenson

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