documentation best practices
Why can't you simply add a main section called "Future developments" or alike to your book(s) and sum up the future developments there (and add a reference to the current AS IS situation)? That would not conflict with the actual AS IS content and still please the marketing request (cause that's what it is!) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings User Documentation +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: hessiansx4 To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: documentation best practices Message-ID: <1323082560.94393.yahoomail...@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I could use some insight into a situation I haven't encountered before today: how does one best respond to a request (read: order) to include something in their product's documentation about a functionality that will not be released with the upcoming release?(it will?still be in development)?but is hoped to be ready "shortly" (whatever that means)?after the product is released. ? I've politely pointed out that industry best practice is to document what IS as opposed to what WILL BE and that certain liabilities might be incurred if promises are made and then something goes wrong. ? Any thoughts? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
documentation best practices
Why can't you simply add a main section called "Future developments" or alike to your book(s) and sum up the future developments there (and add a reference to the current AS IS situation)? That would not conflict with the actual AS IS content and still please the marketing request (cause that's what it is!) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings User Documentation ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:56:00 -0800 (PST) From: hessiansx4 To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" Subject: documentation best practices Message-ID: <1323082560.94393.YahooMailNeo at web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I could use some insight into a situation I haven't encountered before today: how does one best respond to a request (read: order) to include something in their product's documentation about a functionality that will not be released with the upcoming release?(it will?still be in development)?but is hoped to be ready "shortly" (whatever that means)?after the product is released. ? I've politely pointed out that industry best practice is to document what IS as opposed to what WILL BE and that certain liabilities might be incurred if promises are made and then something goes wrong. ? Any thoughts?
Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hoi Wim, Bedankt voor je antwoord. Het is nog niet helemaal wat ik zoek, (mijn systeem update automatisch -voor zover ik me kan herinneren) , maar ik ga ermee aan de slag. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] Verzonden: vrijdag 3 december 2010 19:39 Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi Dick, This is how we did it: Put a ' Header/Footer $1' or 'Header/Footer $2' marker in the bodytext. Then on the MP refer your Running H/F variable to <$marker1> or <$marker2> (I think Running H/F 4 has a default reference to <$marker1>. This marker should be maintained manually however, to hold the Heading 1 text of the previous file. But you don't have to mess around with the master Page, all can be done on the body page of the document. If you use a special MP for the first page of a document, you could add a separate text frame to store the marker. Make a dedicated paragraph format to hold the marker and give it a large space after to make sure the body text will start in the main text frame (I'm not sure what happens if you create a separate flow). Kind regards, vriendelijke groet, Wim Hooghwinkel iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA info at idtp.eu <mailto:info at idtp.eu> www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu
RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hoi Wim, Bedankt voor je antwoord. Het is nog niet helemaal wat ik zoek, (mijn systeem update automatisch -voor zover ik me kan herinneren) , maar ik ga ermee aan de slag. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] Verzonden: vrijdag 3 december 2010 19:39 Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi Dick, This is how we did it: Put a ' Header/Footer $1' or 'Header/Footer $2' marker in the bodytext. Then on the MP refer your Running H/F variable to <$marker1> or <$marker2> (I think Running H/F 4 has a default reference to <$marker1>. This marker should be maintained manually however, to hold the Heading 1 text of the previous file. But you don't have to mess around with the master Page, all can be done on the body page of the document. If you use a special MP for the first page of a document, you could add a separate text frame to store the marker. Make a dedicated paragraph format to hold the marker and give it a large space after to make sure the body text will start in the main text frame (I'm not sure what happens if you create a separate flow). Kind regards, vriendelijke groet, Wim Hooghwinkel iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA i...@idtp.eu <mailto:i...@idtp.eu> www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker
Hi Rob, I think that in Word you have a hidden character or alike between "Jes" and the question mark; It works fine with me (Windows7, FM9 V2.50; default chapter template, Body text with pgf designer (Format>Paragraphs>Designer) set to Arial Unicode MS). Have you tried to copy "Jes?" directly from Word and paste it in FM "as is"? If you get the same result, paste it in Notepad, or paste it as plain text (Menu Edit>Paste special), see what you get. By the way, your text looks a bit like Medieval Dutch, but I doubt it. It translates like "In the year of the Lord...": is this South African maybe? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] Namens framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Verzonden: zondag 5 december 2010 19:05 Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: framers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5 Send framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker (Rob Shell) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:34:12 +0200 From: "Rob Shell" To: Subject: Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker Message-ID: <01cb9457$3367b010$9a371030$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Framers: I am using the Arial Unicode It works fine in MSWord Viz. Int Jaar onses Heeren Jes? Christo But when I import to FM (9.0 244a) or cut and paste (updated) in Windows 7, I get Int Jaar onses Heeren Jes ? Christo i.e. An extra space is added before the Unicode character, but it cannot be deleted. Yours faithfully, Rob Shell -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5 **
Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker
Hi Rob, I think that in Word you have a hidden character or alike between "Jes" and the question mark; It works fine with me (Windows7, FM9 V2.50; default chapter template, Body text with pgf designer (Format>Paragraphs>Designer) set to Arial Unicode MS). Have you tried to copy "Jes?" directly from Word and paste it in FM "as is"? If you get the same result, paste it in Notepad, or paste it as plain text (Menu Edit>Paste special), see what you get. By the way, your text looks a bit like Medieval Dutch, but I doubt it. It translates like "In the year of the Lord...": is this South African maybe? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] Namens framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com Verzonden: zondag 5 december 2010 19:05 Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: framers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5 Send framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker (Rob Shell) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 10:34:12 +0200 From: "Rob Shell" To: Subject: Arial Unicode query in FrameMaker Message-ID: <01cb9457$3367b010$9a3710...@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Framers: I am using the Arial Unicode It works fine in MSWord Viz. Int Jaar onses Heeren Jes? Christo But when I import to FM (9.0 244a) or cut and paste (updated) in Windows 7, I get Int Jaar onses Heeren Jes ? Christo i.e. An extra space is added before the Unicode character, but it cannot be deleted. Yours faithfully, Rob Shell -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers. To unsubscribe send a blank email to http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. End of framers Digest, Vol 62, Issue 5 ** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hi Rick, With my former employer I did just that for seven years in a row! So there must be a way... I never bothered too much about the how, but I do know that <$marker1> is involved somehow. It can be that a FrameScript was involved, but I find that unlikely: I had the only office that applied FrameScript, all the other affiliates had to do without and they got it to work also! (Regretfully they designed it). Since no body on FrameUsers seems know a way, I am extra curious as to how this was done: I forwarded my question to the designer of the template. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Verzonden: woensdag 1 december 2010 15:35 Aan: Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi Dick, This only works with structured FrameMaker books. In unstructured FrameMaker, the variables don't carry over. If you send me a sample file or two, we may be able to provide an automated way to do this with FrameScript. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dick Spierings Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi, I am looking for a way to transfer the Heading1 title defined in a previous book file to the next file of the book, to have the Heading1 title of the previous file reappearing in the header of the next file. Using the Running H/F 2 gives no result, as the Header1 got defined in a previous file of the book. I have seen it working, but can't reproduce... Who helps? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hi Rick, With my former employer I did just that for seven years in a row! So there must be a way... I never bothered too much about the how, but I do know that <$marker1> is involved somehow. It can be that a FrameScript was involved, but I find that unlikely: I had the only office that applied FrameScript, all the other affiliates had to do without and they got it to work also! (Regretfully they designed it). Since no body on FrameUsers seems know a way, I am extra curious as to how this was done: I forwarded my question to the designer of the template. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com] Verzonden: woensdag 1 december 2010 15:35 Aan: Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi Dick, This only works with structured FrameMaker books. In unstructured FrameMaker, the variables don't carry over. If you send me a sample file or two, we may be able to provide an automated way to do this with FrameScript. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dick Spierings Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:54 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file Hi, I am looking for a way to transfer the Heading1 title defined in a previous book file to the next file of the book, to have the Heading1 title of the previous file reappearing in the header of the next file. Using the Running H/F 2 gives no result, as the Header1 got defined in a previous file of the book. I have seen it working, but can't reproduce... Who helps? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ? +31 (0)413 343786 ? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as rick at rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hi, I am looking for a way to transfer the Heading1 title defined in a previous book file to the next file of the book, to have the Heading1 title of the previous file reappearing in the header of the next file. Using the Running H/F 2 gives no result, as the Header1 got defined in a previous file of the book. I have seen it working, but can't reproduce... Who helps? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Transfer a Heading1 titel to the header of a next book file
Hi, I am looking for a way to transfer the Heading1 title defined in a previous book file to the next file of the book, to have the Heading1 title of the previous file reappearing in the header of the next file. Using the Running H/F 2 gives no result, as the Header1 got defined in a previous file of the book. I have seen it working, but can't reproduce... Who helps? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
Re: FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7
I have the same with FM9 and Windows 7. Don't think it is Frame who is to blame for that 'lock up' though... Maybe FrameX will have found a way to work its way back to the good old DOS environment, which is completely cloaked by Windows 7 (no, I was not referring to the Romulans...) ;-) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:00:56 -0500 From: Mike To: "Owen, Clint" Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have noticed something similar with my FM 7 and Windows 7 setup. Often, I will get a "Not Responding" notification in the FM title bar. It looks like FM is locked, but after awhile, control does eventually return to FM. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Owen, Clint wrote: > Most of our company is still using Windows XP and FrameMaker 7. > > The IT group has set up a Windows 7 PC for testing, including FM 7.0, > with patch 579. > > I have been using this setup through a remote desktop connection for > some of my unstructured FM documents. All seems well except for > seemingly random instances where Framemaker just locks up. I can close > FM and restart with no trouble, but it is kind of annoying. > > Is there a fix for this behavior? Will setting startup compatibility to > XP help? > > Thanks, > > Clint > > > Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 > 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 > > > We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? > Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: > http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx > Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. > > > Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: > The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is > confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly > prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify > the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments > from > your electronic files. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mhea...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mheavin%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7
I have the same with FM9 and Windows 7. Don't think it is Frame who is to blame for that 'lock up' though... Maybe FrameX will have found a way to work its way back to the good old DOS environment, which is completely cloaked by Windows 7 (no, I was not referring to the Romulans...) ;-) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 15:00:56 -0500 From: Mike To: "Owen, Clint" Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM 7.0 Locks up on Windows 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have noticed something similar with my FM 7 and Windows 7 setup. Often, I will get a "Not Responding" notification in the FM title bar. It looks like FM is locked, but after awhile, control does eventually return to FM. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Owen, Clint wrote: > Most of our company is still using Windows XP and FrameMaker 7. > > The IT group has set up a Windows 7 PC for testing, including FM 7.0, > with patch 579. > > I have been using this setup through a remote desktop connection for > some of my unstructured FM documents. All seems well except for > seemingly random instances where Framemaker just locks up. I can close > FM and restart with no trouble, but it is kind of annoying. > > Is there a fix for this behavior? Will setting startup compatibility to > XP help? > > Thanks, > > Clint > > > Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 > 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 > > > We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? > Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: > http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx > Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. > > > Crane Aerospace & Electronics Confidentiality Statement: > The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is > confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any > employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any > unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly > prohibited > and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify > the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments > from > your electronic files. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as mheavin at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mheavin%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to keep a table with next Pgf
All, Thanks for your help and offers to analyze but I switched to an alternative solution. Nadine and Rick, you are right. If I start a blank page and apply what I described, I get the same result as you all get: the table moves to the new page (as it should). In my own document however it does not. Since you offered to have a look at it I will send you a sample with the fault embedded. As said: I have switched to another way of solving this, so an answer is not mandatory, just for me to learn from mistakes! Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
RE: How to keep a table with next Pgf
All, Thanks for your help and offers to analyze but I switched to an alternative solution. Nadine and Rick, you are right. If I start a blank page and apply what I described, I get the same result as you all get: the table moves to the new page (as it should). In my own document however it does not. Since you offered to have a look at it I will send you a sample with the fault embedded. As said: I have switched to another way of solving this, so an answer is not mandatory, just for me to learn from mistakes! Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to keep a table with next Pgf
Richard, Nadine, Thanks for your feedback. I already tried that but applying Keep with next on the Pgf containing the table anchor doesn't help. I have done the following exactly: I created an AnchorPgf close to the bottom of the page, set it to keep with next and hit enter (creates a BodyPgf that has no 'keep with' settings applied). I was still at the bottom of the page. I typed some lines of text and voila, both the Anchor PGF and the text moved to the next page. So that works (as expected - luckily ;). I then anchored a small table to my AnchorPgf and guess what: both AnchorPgf and table move back to the previous page??? What do I forget/do wrong? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com] Verzonden: donderdag 7 oktober 2010 23:15 Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: RE: How to keep a table with next Pgf Dick Spierings wrote: > In Paragraph Designer you can set "keep with next". > > Is it also possible to keep an entire table with next paragraph? Sure. As Nadine noted, you can use the Keep With settings of the table anchor pgf (and/or the following pgf). And if you want to keep the table itself from breaking across pages, set Orphan Rows (in Table Designer) to a high enough number. Or, to control page breaks within tables on a case by case basis, use the Row Format Keep With settings. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
RE: How to keep a table with next Pgf
Richard, Nadine, Thanks for your feedback. I already tried that but applying Keep with next on the Pgf containing the table anchor doesn't help. I have done the following exactly: I created an AnchorPgf close to the bottom of the page, set it to keep with next and hit enter (creates a BodyPgf that has no 'keep with' settings applied). I was still at the bottom of the page. I typed some lines of text and voila, both the Anchor PGF and the text moved to the next page. So that works (as expected - luckily ;). I then anchored a small table to my AnchorPgf and guess what: both AnchorPgf and table move back to the previous page??? What do I forget/do wrong? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Verzonden: donderdag 7 oktober 2010 23:15 Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: RE: How to keep a table with next Pgf Dick Spierings wrote: > In Paragraph Designer you can set "keep with next". > > Is it also possible to keep an entire table with next paragraph? Sure. As Nadine noted, you can use the Keep With settings of the table anchor pgf (and/or the following pgf). And if you want to keep the table itself from breaking across pages, set Orphan Rows (in Table Designer) to a high enough number. Or, to control page breaks within tables on a case by case basis, use the Row Format Keep With settings. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to keep a table with next Pgf
Dear Framers, In Paragraph Designer you can set "keep with next". Is it also possible to keep an entire table with next paragraph? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
How to keep a table with next Pgf
Dear Framers, In Paragraph Designer you can set "keep with next". Is it also possible to keep an entire table with next paragraph? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Text Inset anomalies
All, Thanks for the feedback! It contained a lot of useful background details. What causes these problems is a series of text insets in a row with different heading styles (I know... I break the golden rule - but in this particular case I see no other solution). I found out that a non-breaking space after the text inset does not resolve the problem: The next text inset still inherits the style from the preceding one (which makes sense). Even when I put a carriage return between the text insets, that CR inherits the style from the preceding text inset (even when preceding the CR with a non-breaking space). What does work is the following: 1. create a para style (which I will call EMPTY) that looks like your body style, but has no line height nor space above/below and is side-head aligned. Make the size as small as you can without losing sight of the pilcrow in your text. 3. Start each text insets with a CR in the EMPTY style, followed by the actual content. 4. In the main document separate each text inset with a CR in the EMPTY style. Add a non-breaking space if you want to, but that has no effect on my system (FM9). When you now update your text inset, the EMPTY style from the text inset is transferred to the main document (instead of your usual style). EMPTY overrules the style of the paragraph following the text inset. As this is a CR also based on EMPTY, nothing changes! There is an issue of white space though: we now have two EMPTY para's between the actual contents of the text insets. If the line height of EMPTY is small enough you can compensate this though by decreasing the setting for the 'first actual content' style used in the text inset. Make sure though that you use this 'first actual content' style only in text insets based on this principle, and not in the main text (duplicate if you have to). Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
RE: Text Inset anomalies
All, Thanks for the feedback! It contained a lot of useful background details. What causes these problems is a series of text insets in a row with different heading styles (I know... I break the golden rule - but in this particular case I see no other solution). I found out that a non-breaking space after the text inset does not resolve the problem: The next text inset still inherits the style from the preceding one (which makes sense). Even when I put a carriage return between the text insets, that CR inherits the style from the preceding text inset (even when preceding the CR with a non-breaking space). What does work is the following: 1. create a para style (which I will call EMPTY) that looks like your body style, but has no line height nor space above/below and is side-head aligned. Make the size as small as you can without losing sight of the pilcrow in your text. 3. Start each text insets with a CR in the EMPTY style, followed by the actual content. 4. In the main document separate each text inset with a CR in the EMPTY style. Add a non-breaking space if you want to, but that has no effect on my system (FM9). When you now update your text inset, the EMPTY style from the text inset is transferred to the main document (instead of your usual style). EMPTY overrules the style of the paragraph following the text inset. As this is a CR also based on EMPTY, nothing changes! There is an issue of white space though: we now have two EMPTY para's between the actual contents of the text insets. If the line height of EMPTY is small enough you can compensate this though by decreasing the setting for the 'first actual content' style used in the text inset. Make sure though that you use this 'first actual content' style only in text insets based on this principle, and not in the main text (duplicate if you have to). Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Text Inset anomalies
Dear Framers, Text insets are one of the most powerful options of FrameMaker but they do not buy you heaven on earth: I know some issues that exist for years now and make that almost-there-but-not--quite feeling a very frustrating one when using text insets. I want to run this extra quarter of a mile but FrameMaker won't let me. To name a few: 1. Everywhere I insert a text inset, Frame adds a carriage return. This means that after the text inset I always start on a new line (paragraph). In other words, a text inset is treated as a paragraph. It would mean a lot to me if I could treat text insets like any other word or as part of a sentence - without being confronted with the unavoidable CR at the end... 2. When I update a text inset the paragraph following the text inset inherits the style of the first line in the text inset. I have more, but let's start with these: Who knows a solution/effective workaround? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
Text Inset anomalies
Dear Framers, Text insets are one of the most powerful options of FrameMaker but they do not buy you heaven on earth: I know some issues that exist for years now and make that almost-there-but-not--quite feeling a very frustrating one when using text insets. I want to run this extra quarter of a mile but FrameMaker won't let me. To name a few: 1. Everywhere I insert a text inset, Frame adds a carriage return. This means that after the text inset I always start on a new line (paragraph). In other words, a text inset is treated as a paragraph. It would mean a lot to me if I could treat text insets like any other word or as part of a sentence - without being confronted with the unavoidable CR at the end... 2. When I update a text inset the paragraph following the text inset inherits the style of the first line in the text inset. I have more, but let's start with these: Who knows a solution/effective workaround? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page
Hi Verner, To make sure you always start at the top of a new page (your rear page) you can use a first paragraph style (preceding your markers) that always starts on top of a page. This forces the paragraph (and all subsequent paragraphs) to move to the rear page (in your case). In the Paragraph Designer (CTRL-M) you will find a tab or icon named 'pagination'. Click that and you will see a dropdown list named 'start'. Default setting is 'anywhere'; change that to 'top of page' to make that paragraph style to always start on top of a (new) page. If this new style causes a line feed on top of the rear page that you do not want, you can also change the format to 'run-in-head-default punctuation'. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:48:30 +0200 From: "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" To: "FrameMaker discussion list (omsys) (FrameMaker discussion list (omsys))" , Subject: Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi The right text frame on my cover page contains a list of markers (chapter titles) When I update the book the text from the next page (rear cover) is displayed in the right text frame of the cover page. How do I prevent my front and rear page texts to mix? Best regards Verner Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 www.radiometer.com
Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page
Hi Verner, To make sure you always start at the top of a new page (your rear page) you can use a first paragraph style (preceding your markers) that always starts on top of a page. This forces the paragraph (and all subsequent paragraphs) to move to the rear page (in your case). In the Paragraph Designer (CTRL-M) you will find a tab or icon named 'pagination'. Click that and you will see a dropdown list named 'start'. Default setting is 'anywhere'; change that to 'top of page' to make that paragraph style to always start on top of a (new) page. If this new style causes a line feed on top of the rear page that you do not want, you can also change the format to 'run-in-head-default punctuation'. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:48:30 +0200 From: "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" To: "FrameMaker discussion list (omsys) (FrameMaker discussion list (omsys))" , Subject: Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi The right text frame on my cover page contains a list of markers (chapter titles) When I update the book the text from the next page (rear cover) is displayed in the right text frame of the cover page. How do I prevent my front and rear page texts to mix? Best regards Verner Radiometer Medical ApS Akandevej 21 2700 Bronshoj Denmark Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 CVR: 27 50 91 85 www.radiometer.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
reversed text style
Hi Wim, Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the text length is an excellent addition to this idea! You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to restyle, change and for the user ...to search! Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010! Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:wim at idtp.eu] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05 Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com CC: Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hello Dick, Two more options I haven't seen passing by: - Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically adapt to the text length. - Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex. But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if needed. Kind regards, vriendelijke groet, Wim Hooghwinkel Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking forward to see you there! iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010 tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA info at idtp.eu www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu
RE: reversed text style
Hi Wim, Your table-in-a-frame solution seems easier than the Rubi text solution because you can change (I read that with Rubi you cannot change or delete, only add). Using a table is also what Art Campbell tipped me. Now I have got that tip twice. But rotating table and text in opposite directions to auto-adapt to the text length is an excellent addition to this idea! You got me turned: using text instead of graphics keeps the option open to restyle, change and for the user ...to search! Thanks for that tip and see you June 9th on NLDITA 2010! Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 20:05 Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com CC: Dick Spierings Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hello Dick, Two more options I haven't seen passing by: - Use an anchored frame at insertion point, put a text frame inside and in that texframe place the one cell table. Adjust the frame to make it fit nicely (store a dummy version somewhere for reuse). Additionally, if you rotate the table left and then rotate the text right it will automatically adapt to the text length. - Use the Rubi text function to create special highlighting. See the web pages of Klaus Daube: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker51.html. He made a very nice description of how to make use of Rubi tex. But indeed, if you have a fixed set of buttons, using illustrations may be more easy. Using text based images keeps the option open to make changes if needed. Kind regards, vriendelijke groet, Wim Hooghwinkel Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking forward to see you there! iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010 tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA i...@idtp.eu www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
reversed text style
Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as
an art instead of just another job. ;-)
I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to "just pressed
as it says here I should do so..." stays: It is not just in the used
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I
suppose...
It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and "weight balancing" is
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an "acknowledge this" step,
and a subsequent "act now" step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual
"full stop and now think" remark standing out between these two lines.
The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal
"typeface" of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...
I would therefore rephrase as follows:
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)
1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]
The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded
a silent warning in the second step: "After confirming step 1...", a third
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
? +31 (0)413 343786
?? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style
Hello Framers & Dick,
My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and
X and .
I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]
Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple.
Regards
// Simon
-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com]
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style
Simon,
I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.
Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be
executed.
Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
?
Dick Spierings
?
' +31 (0)413 343786
"? www.fluidwell.com
w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style
Hello Dick,
If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages,
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document,
using anchored frames.
I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users. For example:
I've seen some documen
reversed text style
Simon, I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics. Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be executed. Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.buch at m-ais.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11 Aan: Dick Spierings; framers at lists.frameusers.com CC: Rick Quatro Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hello Dick, If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, using anchored frames. I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users. For example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have instructions like: To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0]. ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type: 000. Hope that helps // Simon BUCH -Original Message- From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36 To: Simon BUCH; framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Rick Quatro Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text style Hi Simon, The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to rule that option out. Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ' +31 (0)413 343786 "? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com
reversed text style
Hi all, Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never been confronted with this in the last 10 years either! What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display "bulbs" with text inside, representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the reference page instead. Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, ? Dick Spierings ? ? +31 (0)413 343786 ?? www.fluidwell.com w d.spierings at fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:rick at rickquatro.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 2:24 Aan: Dick Spierings CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hi Dick, Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM To: Dick Spierings Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: reversed text style If I were you, I'd either: * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags. Or * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can control the placement precisely. Cheers, Art On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings wrote: > I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black > background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN", > "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states. > > I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...? > > > > Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > > > > Dick Spierings > > > > ' +31 (0)413 343786 > > " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> > > * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
RE: reversed text style
Hi Simon,
Just a warning upfront: This could end up in a long discussion as each writer
has his/her own preferences, and should have - to maintain this profession as
an art instead of just another job. ;-)
I think I get your drift, but for me the temptation as a user to "just pressed
as it says here I should do so..." stays: It is not just in the used
punctuation and line separation but moreover in the emphasis combined with the
wording: Your separation in different lines would make no difference to me as
the sentence structure has not changed a bit; I would still act the same I
suppose...
It may be enough for others, but I think rephrasing and "weight balancing" is
also necessary here. What I think I should see are an "acknowledge this" step,
and a subsequent "act now" step. If the first step is likely to be skipped you
need to make sure the weight shifts to the first line and you have a virtual
"full stop and now think" remark standing out between these two lines.
The emphasis that your button graphics automatically get (due to the abnormal
"typeface" of graphics in text), acts as honey to bees and should be balanced
(maybe even over balanced - can't hurt!) by the just as important line right
above which tells you to WAIT for these indicators...
I would therefore rephrase as follows:
(note that both [X] and {FOO}/{BAR} are eye-catching graphics)
1. **Make sure** system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown.
2. After confirming step 1 enter [X][X][X]
The numbering emphasizes that this instruction actually exists of two steps; a
first warning not just to enter [X][X][X]. I then emphasized **make sure** to
increase the weight of the first step to make it stand out better and draw more
attention than the subsequent step: In my opinion this too helps draw the
readers' eye to the top line, despite the tempting buttons in the second line
(which you may also choose to reformat and stand-out less). Finally I embedded
a silent warning in the second step: "After confirming step 1...", a third
indicator that there's more to do than just enter [X][X][X]!
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Dick Spierings
+31 (0)413 343786
www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:41
Aan: framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro; Dick Spierings
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style
Hello Framers & Dick,
My reason for keeping instructions simple is to avoid situations like:
When the system indicators {FOO} and {BAR} are shown, enter [X][X][X].
... as I have seen users follow instructions and pressing the keys: X and X and
X and .
I prefer to separate input and output onto separate lines, for example:
When the system indicators:
{FOO} {BAR}
... are shown, enter:
[X][X][X]
Punctuation can often mess up instructions, and so I avoid them.
It's just a personal style thing, but for me, keep instructions simple.
Regards
// Simon
-Original Message-
From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com]
Sent: 18 May 2010 11:25
To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: Rick Quatro
Subject: RE: reversed text style
Simon,
I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics.
Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to
instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide
instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device
has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be
executed.
Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start
another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not
necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be
tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended
button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?)
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Dick Spierings
' +31 (0)413 343786
" www.fluidwell.com
w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com]
Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11
Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com
CC: Rick Quatro
Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style
Hello Dick,
If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll
probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages,
or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document,
using anchored frames.
I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting
instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users. For example:
I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button grap
RE: reversed text style
Simon, I totally agree and I already decided to go with graphics. Although I don't really see the point you are making with respect to instructions I am not worried: I am not using these graphics to provide instructions but to draw readers attention to certain system states the device has to be in (RUN, PROGRAM, ALARM, etc.) **before** certain instructions can be executed. Nevertheless you got me wondering - maybe you can elaborate (maybe start another thread on this)? I mean: if [0] represents a random button graphic (not necessarily the zero key on your keypad I presume) why would the reader be tempted to press zero three times (he/she may be tempted to press the intended button three times, but that's what you want, isn't it?) Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Simon BUCH [mailto:simon.b...@m-ais.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 12:11 Aan: Dick Spierings; framers@lists.frameusers.com CC: Rick Quatro Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hello Dick, If you're wanting to keep the 'reverse' text inside a line of text, you'll probably want to make them into drawn graphics on one of the reference pages, or import them as GIF/PNG graphics, and then paste them into your document, using anchored frames. I am a stickler for simplicity in documents, and I've found that putting instructions in paragraphs can lead to confusion for some users. For example: I've seen some documents (where [0] is a button graphic) which have instructions like: To get back to the menu, Press [0] [0] [0]. ... and I've seen some trainees diligently type: 000. Hope that helps // Simon BUCH -Original Message- From: Dick Spierings [mailto:d.spieri...@fluidwell.com] Sent: 18 May 2010 10:36 To: Simon BUCH; framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Rick Quatro Subject: RE: Mogelijke spam (volgens TM Srv01 content scan): RE: reversed text style Hi Simon, The idea of installing a new typeface would be the most straight forward and simple solution if not that I too foresee printing problems. So after reading Rick's suggestion (which makes good sense: I didn't think of it!) I decided to rule that option out. Back to Art Campbell's suggestion: if you do use a single cell table with black background, how do you then keep it in line with the remainder of the text like you can with an anchored frame? (Tables have no "at insertion point" anchoring position, anchored frames do.) Note that I am talking about a single word somewhere in the paragraph, not an entire paragraph. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: reversed text style
Hi all, Surprise that such a feature is not available. On the other hand, I have never been confronted with this in the last 10 years either! What I need to reproduce are some black LCD display "bulbs" with text inside, representing a limited number of system states. Reading your feedback I think I better drop the idea of using reversed text and go for inline graphics on the reference page instead. Thank you all for your feedback, it has been helpful. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 18 mei 2010 2:24 Aan: Dick Spierings CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: RE: reversed text style Hi Dick, Another possibility is to use a reversed typeface. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 5:03 PM To: Dick Spierings Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: reversed text style If I were you, I'd either: * Create graphics for them, store each graphic in a referenced frame on a Reference page and pull them in with a set of unique paragraph tags. Or * Set up a single-cell table, set the cell background to black and create a paragraph tag with the font set to white. And I'd hang the table from a special Anchor paragraph tag that you only use for that purpose, so you can control the placement precisely. Cheers, Art On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Dick Spierings wrote: > I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black > background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN", > "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states. > > I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...? > > > > Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, > > > > Dick Spierings > > > > ' +31 (0)413 343786 > > " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> > > * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
reversed text style
I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN", "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states. I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
reversed text style
I need to create some reversed text words (white text in black background) in my body text. Examples are short words like "RUN", "STOP", "SETUP" and "PROGRAM", which indicate system states. I like to create a character style for these, but how do I do that...? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
hexadecimal paragraph counter
Dear Framers, For a series of technical manuals I am asked to describe sections with menu items. In the device these items are numbered numerically from 1 to 9 and then (due to lack of available digits) numbering continues alphanumerically with A, B, C etc. To make life easy for both reader and myself I need a section numbering mechanism that corresponds to the devices menu numbers (so 1 ...9, A...F). In fact, a hexadecimal numbering format would do as I never have more than 15 items in a row (meaning that I will never go beyond F). I might be able to find a solution based on manual numbering, but this is too error prone and labor intensive: I am talking about a series of roughly 100 manuals, all based on the same concept. Some have more menu options, some less. Some may even have some menu options in reverse order. I therefore want to define text insets for each menu item and import each menu option in a specific order in each book. I was thinking of using the paragraph numbering (counter) mechanism to keep track of the menu ID number. But this counter is only available as numeric, alphanumeric or roman. I need Hex (or alike)! If someone has a solution for me, it would be very grateful. I work with FM9 unstructured. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
hexadecimal paragraph counter
Dear Framers, For a series of technical manuals I am asked to describe sections with menu items. In the device these items are numbered numerically from 1 to 9 and then (due to lack of available digits) numbering continues alphanumerically with A, B, C etc. To make life easy for both reader and myself I need a section numbering mechanism that corresponds to the devices menu numbers (so 1 ...9, A...F). In fact, a hexadecimal numbering format would do as I never have more than 15 items in a row (meaning that I will never go beyond F). I might be able to find a solution based on manual numbering, but this is too error prone and labor intensive: I am talking about a series of roughly 100 manuals, all based on the same concept. Some have more menu options, some less. Some may even have some menu options in reverse order. I therefore want to define text insets for each menu item and import each menu option in a specific order in each book. I was thinking of using the paragraph numbering (counter) mechanism to keep track of the menu ID number. But this counter is only available as numeric, alphanumeric or roman. I need Hex (or alike)! If someone has a solution for me, it would be very grateful. I work with FM9 unstructured. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 " www.fluidwell.com <http://www.fluidwell.com/> * d.spierings at fluidwell.com
