RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

[Laura Fergusson]

I always use Ctrl Q Shift Q for em dash and Ctrl Q Shift P for en dash.




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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: 24 February 2015 18:59
To: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: How do you type a dash em in FM12

In stock Word, it is usually three dashes to get to an em-dash, two dashes gets 
you an en-dash (a different character). This is using the auto-correct feature, 
and you can change its behavior pretty easily too.

Plus (at least in Word 2013 and Office 2013 products) typing a “space, dash, 
space” followed by another word and then a space converts the “space, dash, 
space” to “space, en-dash, space”. Not sure which option selects this behavior, 
but I don’t think it is auto-correct, since the change is elsewhere compared to 
the text entry location. It is also quite specific – having extra (or missing 
one) spaces before or after the dash does not work, for example.

In FrameMaker, I just use the ALT 0151 key sequence to get an em-dash. There is 
also a menu pull-down that allows you to insert various common symbols – not 
just an em-dash.

Z

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Subject: How do you type a dash em in FM12

In earlier versions of Word, when you typed 2 hyphens (--) it would 
automatically convert to a dash em. Is there any way to do the same or similar 
in FM12?




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RE: Acrobat Shared Review question (date extention)

[Laura Fergusson]

Yes, you can extend the date, though it’s taken me a while to work it out!

Open the document in Acrobat and display the Comments. Above where the comments 
are listed, click Track Reviews. Select the required doc from the list on the 
left and click Change Deadline.

Feel free to get back in touch if you can’t get it to work.




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Subject: Acrobat Shared Review question (date extention)


Question, not really FM-related, but there does not seem to be an 
easily-Googled answer...

Once a review has completed, is there any way to extend the review date, or do 
I have to reissue a new document?



Grant

Frustrated in CO.

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RE: Question for the Group: Create a Conditionalized or Hierarchical Book

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Tony

If I understand you correctly, I would do the following.

Keep all your files in the one folder, including three separate book files:

Book for Product A

Book for Product B

Book for Product C

Add the chapters you need to each book and conditionalise the content of each 
file as required.

(You CAN exclude chapters from books (in the book file itself), but I 
personally find this more difficult to maintain.)

Hope this helps. If you’d like more information about how we use this, feel 
free to contact me off line.
Laura




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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tony Marek (PDF)
Sent: 16 December 2014 23:18
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Question for the Group: Create a Conditionalized or Hierarchical Book

I currently need to create a new non-structured book in Frame 12 that will have 
one of three possible outputs (to .pdf).  I’m looking for advice on the best 
way to create and maintain the project.

To simplify the problem: previously we had the Product A user manual and the 
Product B user manual – maintained and distributed separately.  These manuals 
are each at about 15 chapters and 800+ pages each, with little or no 
overlapping content.

Now, my company has merged the two products into an optional third product, so 
that we have three possible product permutations (and manuals): Product A, 
Product B and now the new Product C (which consists of all of the 
components/chapters from both A+B).

So my question is: what is the best way to merge the two document sets so that 
I can publish Manual A, Manual B or Manual C (A+B), depending on the customer.

Should I conditionalize all the chapters under one book – so that I would only 
display and publish the appropriate chapters based on the customer — e.g. 
publish chapters set to Condition A, Condition B, or both conditions for 
Product C?  Or should I use the hierarchical book structure and then add/delete 
the subordinate book depending on the customer release?

I have no experience with hierarchical books so I’m not sure what the benefits 
or drawbacks are.

I could also simply add/delete the appropriate A/B chapters from the master 
book manually – but with 30+ chapters, this seems like it could be prone to 
mistakes in publishing the correct content.

Any suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks,
~Tony

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Framemaker 11 crashes constantly when I generate a RH project

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

Every time I try to generate a small RH project which is linked to a single 
Framemaker chapter, I get the message that FM has stopped working.
This was working for me yesterday, no problems with this part of it.  I've 
tried just generating, doing an update all etc, same result.
I changed a couple of mappings - I selected Ignore Output for ChapterTitle, 
ChapNumber and AppendixTitle in the mapping dialog.
No idea if that is what has caused this. I've also tried starting a new 
project, but it gets as far as specifying a FM template then crashes. We are 
using TC4.
Has anyone else had these major problems? We are still trialling the TC4 
software and although I am a big FM fan I am starting to wonder if this is the 
right way to go as the integration seems very flaky.
Please help if you can, thanks in advance.
Laura




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Framemaker 11 crashes constantly when I generate a RH project

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

Every time I try to generate a small RH project which is linked to a single 
Framemaker chapter, I get the message that FM has stopped working.
This was working for me yesterday, no problems with this part of it.  I've 
tried just generating, doing an update all etc, same result.
I changed a couple of mappings - I selected Ignore Output for ChapterTitle, 
ChapNumber and AppendixTitle in the mapping dialog.
No idea if that is what has caused this. I've also tried starting a new 
project, but it gets as far as specifying a FM template then crashes. We are 
using TC4.
Has anyone else had these major problems? We are still trialling the TC4 
software and although I am a big FM fan I am starting to wonder if this is the 
right way to go as the integration seems very flaky.
Please help if you can, thanks in advance.
Laura




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Deleting conditions across a book - Frame 10

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

Does anyone know of a way to delete conditional tags across a book using Frame 
10?
I used the PGF Whopper plugin for Frame 8 but can't find anything for version 
10.
I know you can go into each file and delete each tag individually but it's very 
time consuming.

Thanks in advance

Laura

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Deleting conditions across a book - Frame 10

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

Does anyone know of a way to delete conditional tags across a book using Frame 
10?
I used the PGF Whopper plugin for Frame 8 but can't find anything for version 
10.
I know you can go into each file and delete each tag individually but it's very 
time consuming.

Thanks in advance

Laura

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Translation question

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I'm starting to work on revamping user guides from another division in our 
company.

One of the guides is currently in Word(!), in French, and I'm about to move it 
to FrameMaker and translate it into English at the same time.

I have a question: Is there a case for just having ONE book file for this 
guide, which contains files which have both French and English in them (hidden 
or displayed by conditional text)?
I can't decide if this is a good idea or not, or if I should instead have two 
completely separate books for the English and French guides.

This will not be a one-off, btw, all guides for this division need both French 
and English versions.
None of them seem horribly long or overly complicated.

It may be that I should definitely maintain two separate versions - but I'm 
just not sure.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Laura


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Translation question

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I'm starting to work on revamping user guides from another division in our 
company.

One of the guides is currently in Word(!), in French, and I'm about to move it 
to FrameMaker and translate it into English at the same time.

I have a question: Is there a case for just having ONE book file for this 
guide, which contains files which have both French and English in them (hidden 
or displayed by conditional text)?
I can't decide if this is a good idea or not, or if I should instead have two 
completely separate books for the English and French guides.

This will not be a one-off, btw, all guides for this division need both French 
and English versions.
None of them seem horribly long or overly complicated.

It may be that I should definitely maintain two separate versions - but I'm 
just not sure.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Laura


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RE: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Laura Fergusson]

Rick,

Could you please advise how it compares to Frame 8? I'm using 8 on Windows and 
it's served me well with few issues, but I feel there are a few features worth 
having in Frame 10.

Cheers
Laura

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: 07 June 2012 13:26
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

FrameMaker 10 is by far more stable than FrameMaker 9. Whether or not you like 
the new interface is another story.

Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:54 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

The offer is "Adobe FrameMaker 7.X customers can receive a savings of 30% on 
the FULL version of FrameMaker 10 software purchased through Adobe Customer 
Service, or a participating reseller worldwide."

Adobe charges $999, 30% off that is $699. Amazon charges $634.

Personally I'd stick with 7 unless I had a specific reason to upgade.
Adobe introduced a lot of bugs with the UI makeover in FM9 and if anything they 
got worse in FM10. The last new feature they added that I have any use for was 
the multiple undo in 7.2.



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FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

[Laura Fergusson]

Rick,

Could you please advise how it compares to Frame 8? I'm using 8 on Windows and 
it's served me well with few issues, but I feel there are a few features worth 
having in Frame 10.

Cheers
Laura

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Sent: 07 June 2012 13:26
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

FrameMaker 10 is by far more stable than FrameMaker 9. Whether or not you like 
the new interface is another story.

Rick

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:54 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FYI: Deal for upgrading from FM7.x to FM10 ends June 15

The offer is "Adobe FrameMaker 7.X customers can receive a savings of 30% on 
the FULL version of FrameMaker 10 software purchased through Adobe Customer 
Service, or a participating reseller worldwide."

Adobe charges $999, 30% off that is $699. Amazon charges $634.

Personally I'd stick with 7 unless I had a specific reason to upgade.
Adobe introduced a lot of bugs with the UI makeover in FM9 and if anything they 
got worse in FM10. The last new feature they added that I have any use for was 
the multiple undo in 7.2.



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RE: Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

[Laura Fergusson]

Thanks for the suggestion Roman. I was just about to start doing that when I 
tried the PDF creation just one last time. And you’ve guessed it, it worked. 
Seems that installing another PDF creation tool has fixed something...

Sigh. At least it’s working again.

Laura

From: Roman Banks [mailto:banks_ro...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 30 May 2012 08:33
To: Laura Fergusson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

Hi Laura,

What if you/your IT guys uninstall the latest Windows updates and check if 
distilling works again?

You can see what has been recently installed in: Control Panel\System and 
Security\Windows Update\View update history

HTH,
Roman

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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: Problems with PDF creation since Windows update


Has anyone else had problems with creating PDFs from Framemaker since the 
weekend?
There appear to have been 3 Windows updates on Sunday evening and since then I 
can’t Save as PDF.

I’m using Frame 8 on Windows 7.

I am now resorting to trying to save as a ps and then distilling, like I used 
to do in the dim and distant past...

If anyone has any ideas, that would be great. I have tried using System restore 
but for some reason it keeps failing no matter which point I choose.

Many thanks
Laura

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Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

[Laura Fergusson]

Thanks for the suggestion Roman. I was just about to start doing that when I 
tried the PDF creation just one last time. And you?ve guessed it, it worked. 
Seems that installing another PDF creation tool has fixed something...

Sigh. At least it?s working again.

Laura

From: Roman Banks [mailto:banks_ro...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 30 May 2012 08:33
To: Laura Fergusson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

Hi Laura,

What if you/your IT guys uninstall the latest Windows updates and check if 
distilling works again?

You can see what has been recently installed in: Control Panel\System and 
Security\Windows Update\View update history

HTH,
Roman

From: Laura Fergusson mailto:l.fergus...@codestuff.net>>
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>" 
mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:34 PM
Subject: Problems with PDF creation since Windows update


Has anyone else had problems with creating PDFs from Framemaker since the 
weekend?
There appear to have been 3 Windows updates on Sunday evening and since then I 
can?t Save as PDF.

I?m using Frame 8 on Windows 7.

I am now resorting to trying to save as a ps and then distilling, like I used 
to do in the dim and distant past...

If anyone has any ideas, that would be great. I have tried using System restore 
but for some reason it keeps failing no matter which point I choose.

Many thanks
Laura

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Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

[Laura Fergusson]

Has anyone else had problems with creating PDFs from Framemaker since the 
weekend?
There appear to have been 3 Windows updates on Sunday evening and since then I 
can't Save as PDF.

I'm using Frame 8 on Windows 7.

I am now resorting to trying to save as a ps and then distilling, like I used 
to do in the dim and distant past...

If anyone has any ideas, that would be great. I have tried using System restore 
but for some reason it keeps failing no matter which point I choose.

Many thanks
Laura
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Problems with PDF creation since Windows update

[Laura Fergusson]

Has anyone else had problems with creating PDFs from Framemaker since the 
weekend?
There appear to have been 3 Windows updates on Sunday evening and since then I 
can't Save as PDF.

I'm using Frame 8 on Windows 7.

I am now resorting to trying to save as a ps and then distilling, like I used 
to do in the dim and distant past...

If anyone has any ideas, that would be great. I have tried using System restore 
but for some reason it keeps failing no matter which point I choose.

Many thanks
Laura
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[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I am sure I have seen something in a forum about this before but cannot find 
anything on it now.

When I search for a term/paragraph style etc throughout a book, Frame opens a 
file, searches for the term, then instead of opening the next file in the book, 
goes back to the start of that file, searches again, and only when it reaches 
the end THIS time does it pop up the message "Unsaved changes in File:x. Save 
before closing". It then moves on to the next file.

Does anyone else see this behaviour? I'm using Frame 8 on Windows 7.
And is there any way to stop this?

Thanks
Laura

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergusson at codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritchie at codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
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[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I am sure I have seen something in a forum about this before but cannot find 
anything on it now.

When I search for a term/paragraph style etc throughout a book, Frame opens a 
file, searches for the term, then instead of opening the next file in the book, 
goes back to the start of that file, searches again, and only when it reaches 
the end THIS time does it pop up the message "Unsaved changes in File:x. Save 
before closing". It then moves on to the next file.

Does anyone else see this behaviour? I'm using Frame 8 on Windows 7.
And is there any way to stop this?

Thanks
Laura

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergus...@codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritc...@codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
261589 and having its registered office at Breich Pit Studio, West Calder, West 
Lothian EH55 8PL. Our VAT registration number is 829 9597 53.
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Unstructured to structured FM?

[Laura Fergusson]

Many thanks to all who replied to this. I now have more information at my 
fingertips and feel more in a position to show the pros and cons!

Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Fergusson
Sent: 23 March 2012 13:58
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unstructured to structured FM?

Hi all

My boss has mentioned the possibility of transferring our unstructured Frame 
docs to structured XML format. I have NO experience of structured FM and to be 
honest I'm a bit intimidated by it! (Boss is technical but knows little about 
tech writing tools btw)

He thinks that it will make it easier to share our doc set with other parts of 
the company which has just acquired us - but he's not totally sure - so I'm 
looking into it. I'm not even sure this is correct.

I am the sole author here and make heavy use of conditional text as we have 
several different clients and many product variants. I currently use Frame 8 on 
Windows.

Could you kind guys please tell me the pros and cons of transferring from 
unstructured to structured? Any caveats or things to watch out for would be 
appreciated .As I say, I know nothing about structured FM or XML at all, but 
have many years of experience in unstructured.

Many many thanks

Laura Fergusson
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RE: Unstructured to structured FM?

[Laura Fergusson]

Many thanks to all who replied to this. I now have more information at my 
fingertips and feel more in a position to show the pros and cons!

Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Fergusson
Sent: 23 March 2012 13:58
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Unstructured to structured FM?

Hi all

My boss has mentioned the possibility of transferring our unstructured Frame 
docs to structured XML format. I have NO experience of structured FM and to be 
honest I'm a bit intimidated by it! (Boss is technical but knows little about 
tech writing tools btw)

He thinks that it will make it easier to share our doc set with other parts of 
the company which has just acquired us - but he's not totally sure - so I'm 
looking into it. I'm not even sure this is correct.

I am the sole author here and make heavy use of conditional text as we have 
several different clients and many product variants. I currently use Frame 8 on 
Windows.

Could you kind guys please tell me the pros and cons of transferring from 
unstructured to structured? Any caveats or things to watch out for would be 
appreciated .As I say, I know nothing about structured FM or XML at all, but 
have many years of experience in unstructured.

Many many thanks

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author
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Unstructured to structured FM?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

My boss has mentioned the possibility of transferring our unstructured Frame 
docs to structured XML format. I have NO experience of structured FM and to be 
honest I'm a bit intimidated by it! (Boss is technical but knows little about 
tech writing tools btw)

He thinks that it will make it easier to share our doc set with other parts of 
the company which has just acquired us - but he's not totally sure - so I'm 
looking into it. I'm not even sure this is correct.

I am the sole author here and make heavy use of conditional text as we have 
several different clients and many product variants. I currently use Frame 8 on 
Windows.

Could you kind guys please tell me the pros and cons of transferring from 
unstructured to structured? Any caveats or things to watch out for would be 
appreciated .As I say, I know nothing about structured FM or XML at all, but 
have many years of experience in unstructured.

Many many thanks

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author
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Unstructured to structured FM?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

My boss has mentioned the possibility of transferring our unstructured Frame 
docs to structured XML format. I have NO experience of structured FM and to be 
honest I'm a bit intimidated by it! (Boss is technical but knows little about 
tech writing tools btw)

He thinks that it will make it easier to share our doc set with other parts of 
the company which has just acquired us - but he's not totally sure - so I'm 
looking into it. I'm not even sure this is correct.

I am the sole author here and make heavy use of conditional text as we have 
several different clients and many product variants. I currently use Frame 8 on 
Windows.

Could you kind guys please tell me the pros and cons of transferring from 
unstructured to structured? Any caveats or things to watch out for would be 
appreciated .As I say, I know nothing about structured FM or XML at all, but 
have many years of experience in unstructured.

Many many thanks

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author
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How to make it possible to fix copy paste from Word into FrameMaker 9 ?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Bjorn,
I'm using Frame 8, but if you choose Edit>Paste Special, then choose Text, it 
should work.

HTH
Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Studio Smalbro
Sent: 13 January 2012 11:54
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to make it possible to fix copy paste from Word into FrameMaker 9 ?

I used to be able to tweak the maker.ini in such a fashion that copy paste from 
word was interpreted as a copy paste from a text file. I have moved to 
FrameMaker 9 but I can't seem to find the place to change now. FM 9 inserts 
copy paste from word as an ole object and I merely wants it to insert plain 
text without formatting. Can somebody helP
Best regards
Bj?rn Smalbro
Studio Smalbro
Direct phone: +45 36151437 - Mobile: +45 20960919 - Fax: +45 36151438
studio at smalbro.dk
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RE: How to make it possible to fix copy paste from Word into FrameMaker 9 ?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Bjorn,
I'm using Frame 8, but if you choose Edit>Paste Special, then choose Text, it 
should work.

HTH
Laura

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Sent: 13 January 2012 11:54
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: How to make it possible to fix copy paste from Word into FrameMaker 9 ?

I used to be able to tweak the maker.ini in such a fashion that copy paste from 
word was interpreted as a copy paste from a text file. I have moved to 
FrameMaker 9 but I can't seem to find the place to change now. FM 9 inserts 
copy paste from word as an ole object and I merely wants it to insert plain 
text without formatting. Can somebody helP
Best regards
Bjørn Smalbro
Studio Smalbro
Direct phone: +45 36151437 - Mobile: +45 20960919 - Fax: +45 36151438
stu...@smalbro.dk
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RE: Figure numbers that span all chapters in a book

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Doug

All I can think of here is to ensure that the Paragraph numbering for the book 
is set to Continue Numbering from Previous.

Go to the book file, select all files and right-click. Select Numbering, then 
the Paragraph tab.

[cid:image001.png@01CCC083.2CD9C5E0]

This may not be the entire solution but it's all I can think of!

Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Doug Edwards
Sent: 21 December 2011 20:53
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Figure numbers that span all chapters in a book

Season's greetings, fellow Framers!

I'm using unstructured FM 8 on Windows XP, and I have a set of FM documents 
that currently identify figures with consecutive numbers that span all chapters 
of the book. For example, chapter 1 has figures 1-5, chapter 2 has figures 
6-10, and chapter 3 has figures 11-15. I defined a new paragraph format in a 
different template (using a new paragraph name) that I thought matched the 
definition in the original FM documents, applied the current template to the 
original FM documents, renamed all paragraphs using the old paragraph format to 
the new format name, and regenerated the book. Now all figure numbers are 
getting reset to 1 at the start of each chapter. I'd like to keep the figure 
numbers that span all chapters of the book, but I can't determine how it was 
done in the original FM documents. The paragraph format I'm using has an 
Autonumber Format of F:Figure : .  Ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

Doug Edwards
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Figure numbers that span all chapters in a book

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Doug

All I can think of here is to ensure that the Paragraph numbering for the book 
is set to Continue Numbering from Previous.

Go to the book file, select all files and right-click. Select Numbering, then 
the Paragraph tab.

[cid:image001.png at 01CCC083.2CD9C5E0]

This may not be the entire solution but it's all I can think of!

Laura

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Doug Edwards
Sent: 21 December 2011 20:53
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Figure numbers that span all chapters in a book

Season's greetings, fellow Framers!

I'm using unstructured FM 8 on Windows XP, and I have a set of FM documents 
that currently identify figures with consecutive numbers that span all chapters 
of the book. For example, chapter 1 has figures 1-5, chapter 2 has figures 
6-10, and chapter 3 has figures 11-15. I defined a new paragraph format in a 
different template (using a new paragraph name) that I thought matched the 
definition in the original FM documents, applied the current template to the 
original FM documents, renamed all paragraphs using the old paragraph format to 
the new format name, and regenerated the book. Now all figure numbers are 
getting reset to 1 at the start of each chapter. I'd like to keep the figure 
numbers that span all chapters of the book, but I can't determine how it was 
done in the original FM documents. The paragraph format I'm using has an 
Autonumber Format of F:Figure : .  Ideas, anyone?

Thanks,

Doug Edwards
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Keyboard shortcuts - strange behaviour

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I tend to use shortcuts a lot in Framemaker 8 on PC - but have noticed for a 
while that if my mouse is hovering over the toolbars, they don't work! Move the 
mouse to the main body of text, they work fine!

Anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Laura

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergus...@codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritc...@codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
261589 and having its registered office at Breich Pit Studio, West Calder, West 
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Keyboard shortcuts - strange behaviour

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I tend to use shortcuts a lot in Framemaker 8 on PC - but have noticed for a 
while that if my mouse is hovering over the toolbars, they don't work! Move the 
mouse to the main body of text, they work fine!

Anyone else noticed this and is there anything I can do about it?

Laura

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergusson at codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritchie at codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
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FW: Adding reference images to paragraph styles

[Laura Fergusson]

Many many thanks to all who took the time to reply, especially Roger and 
Bethany who went far beyond the call of duty!

As I was wanting to apply new template styles to an existing template, I had to 
keep the new styles as closely based on the original as possible, to reduce the 
amount of post-editing required. So I couldn't go for the table option here.

I ended up creating two styles - one, a CautionAnchor with size 2pt and -12pt 
below the paragraph. The other was Caution - which had -30pt above the 
paragraph. The only post editing required is then to add in the CautionAnchor 
before each caution.

Hope that makes some sense.

Happy Laura :)

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Fergusson
Sent: 12 December 2011 10:28
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adding reference images to paragraph styles

Hi fellow Framers

I wonder if you can help.

Following on from my previous mail about templates, I'm now trying to create 
some test ones in Framemaker 8 for PC.

I'm getting stuck on a particular style : Caution.

I've created a crude layout of how it should look:

x
 Image  CAUTION  texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere 
texthere texthere texthere texthere
  texthere texthere texthere 
texthere
xx

I want to have an image, taken from the reference pages, to indicate a caution. 
When I apply the Caution style to some text, I want the image to appear as 
well, so all I have to do is add the specific text. I'm pretty sure this can be 
done as I used templates years ago which had this for the note, caution and 
warning styles.

I do not have any side heads in my master pages and the rest of my styles go 
right to the left margin. How do I get the image to appear as part of the 
style? I can get the line above and below, and the rest of the style ok, but 
not this part. Help!

Thanks in advance
Laura

PS I have looked online for answers but can find none.

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergus...@codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritc...@codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
261589 and having its registered office at Breich Pit Studio, West Calder, West 
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FW: Paragraph styles not importing correctly

[Laura Fergusson]

Since posting I have managed to solve this. It still seems odd that it didn't 
work the way I had it set up but I think I must have been going wrong somewhere.

I created a new Character style called  "Warning" identical to "Caution" and 
used it for the Warning small caps word. Once imported, that worked ok.

I reapplied the Warning icon to the WarningAnchor style and hey presto.

Sigh. The wonders of Frame.
Laura

From: Laura Fergusson
Sent: 14 December 2011 11:29
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Paragraph styles not importing correctly

Hi all

I have created a template which contains two separate paragraph styles:  
Caution and Warning.

The basic look and feel of the two styles is the same - lines above and below, 
with an icon on the left as follows:
[cid:image005.png at 01CCBA53.8901CBF0]

All good so far.  The template is fine, but when I Import All Formats from the 
template into an existing file, BOTH Caution and Warning appear as Cautions.
That is to say, they LOOK the same (both say Caution and have a yellow icon), 
even though they both are tagged correctly as Caution or Warning.
In other words, the Autonumbering for Warning is importing as the Autonumbering 
for Caution: they BOTH say Caution: \t in the existing file.

Background info - in the template:

* The word CAUTION/WARNING is part of the relevant Caution/Warning 
style, set up in the Autonumbering format as Caution:\t or Warning:\t 
respectively. The small caps format is a Character style called "Caution" (used 
for both Caution and Warning paragraph styles).

* The icons are on the reference pages as Caution and Warning 
respectively.

* The line above and the icon are contained in a 
CautionAnchor/WarningAnchor style - Paragraph Above is a single line (from ref 
page), Paragraph below is the icon (taken from the reference pages). The Next 
Paragraph is set to Caution/Warning as required.

* The line below is contained in the Caution/Warning style - Paragraph 
Above is empty, ParagraphBelow is a single line.


I have tried importing into a completely blank document - same thing.
Have also tried deleting the existing Caution and Warning styles from the 
existing document, then importing from the template - same thing.

Does anyone know what is going on? Is there a known issue with paragraph styles 
not importing correctly? I have not seen this before in my many years of 
Framemaker usage.
It is possible that I'm missing something

Many thanks
Laura

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergusson at codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritchie at codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
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Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

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Paragraph styles not importing correctly

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi all

I have created a template which contains two separate paragraph styles:  
Caution and Warning.

The basic look and feel of the two styles is the same - lines above and below, 
with an icon on the left as follows:
[cid:image005.png at 01CCBA53.8901CBF0]

All good so far.  The template is fine, but when I Import All Formats from the 
template into an existing file, BOTH Caution and Warning appear as Cautions.
That is to say, they LOOK the same (both say Caution and have a yellow icon), 
even though they both are tagged correctly as Caution or Warning.
In other words, the Autonumbering for Warning is importing as the Autonumbering 
for Caution: they BOTH say Caution: \t in the existing file.

Background info - in the template:

* The word CAUTION/WARNING is part of the relevant Caution/Warning 
style, set up in the Autonumbering format as Caution:\t or Warning:\t 
respectively. The small caps format is a Character style called "Caution" (used 
for both Caution and Warning paragraph styles).

* The icons are on the reference pages as Caution and Warning 
respectively.

* The line above and the icon are contained in a 
CautionAnchor/WarningAnchor style - Paragraph Above is a single line (from ref 
page), Paragraph below is the icon (taken from the reference pages). The Next 
Paragraph is set to Caution/Warning as required.

* The line below is contained in the Caution/Warning style - Paragraph 
Above is empty, ParagraphBelow is a single line.


I have tried importing into a completely blank document - same thing.
Have also tried deleting the existing Caution and Warning styles from the 
existing document, then importing from the template - same thing.

Does anyone know what is going on? Is there a known issue with paragraph styles 
not importing correctly? I have not seen this before in my many years of 
Framemaker usage.
It is possible that I'm missing something

Many thanks
Laura

Laura Fergusson
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FW: Adding reference images to paragraph styles

[Laura Fergusson]

Many many thanks to all who took the time to reply, especially Roger and 
Bethany who went far beyond the call of duty!

As I was wanting to apply new template styles to an existing template, I had to 
keep the new styles as closely based on the original as possible, to reduce the 
amount of post-editing required. So I couldn't go for the table option here.

I ended up creating two styles - one, a CautionAnchor with size 2pt and -12pt 
below the paragraph. The other was Caution - which had -30pt above the 
paragraph. The only post editing required is then to add in the CautionAnchor 
before each caution.

Hope that makes some sense.

Happy Laura :)

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Fergusson
Sent: 12 December 2011 10:28
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Adding reference images to paragraph styles

Hi fellow Framers

I wonder if you can help.

Following on from my previous mail about templates, I'm now trying to create 
some test ones in Framemaker 8 for PC.

I'm getting stuck on a particular style : Caution.

I've created a crude layout of how it should look:

x
 Image  CAUTION  texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere 
texthere texthere texthere texthere
  texthere texthere texthere 
texthere
xx

I want to have an image, taken from the reference pages, to indicate a caution. 
When I apply the Caution style to some text, I want the image to appear as 
well, so all I have to do is add the specific text. I'm pretty sure this can be 
done as I used templates years ago which had this for the note, caution and 
warning styles.

I do not have any side heads in my master pages and the rest of my styles go 
right to the left margin. How do I get the image to appear as part of the 
style? I can get the line above and below, and the rest of the style ok, but 
not this part. Help!

Thanks in advance
Laura

PS I have looked online for answers but can find none.

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

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Adding reference images to paragraph styles

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi fellow Framers

I wonder if you can help.

Following on from my previous mail about templates, I'm now trying to create 
some test ones in Framemaker 8 for PC.

I'm getting stuck on a particular style : Caution.

I've created a crude layout of how it should look:

x
 Image  CAUTION  texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere 
texthere texthere texthere texthere
  texthere texthere texthere 
texthere
xx

I want to have an image, taken from the reference pages, to indicate a caution. 
When I apply the Caution style to some text, I want the image to appear as 
well, so all I have to do is add the specific text. I'm pretty sure this can be 
done as I used templates years ago which had this for the note, caution and 
warning styles.

I do not have any side heads in my master pages and the rest of my styles go 
right to the left margin. How do I get the image to appear as part of the 
style? I can get the line above and below, and the rest of the style ok, but 
not this part. Help!

Thanks in advance
Laura

PS I have looked online for answers but can find none.

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergus...@codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritc...@codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
261589 and having its registered office at Breich Pit Studio, West Calder, West 
Lothian EH55 8PL. Our VAT registration number is 829 9597 53.
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Adding reference images to paragraph styles

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi fellow Framers

I wonder if you can help.

Following on from my previous mail about templates, I'm now trying to create 
some test ones in Framemaker 8 for PC.

I'm getting stuck on a particular style : Caution.

I've created a crude layout of how it should look:

x
 Image  CAUTION  texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere texthere 
texthere texthere texthere texthere
  texthere texthere texthere 
texthere
xx

I want to have an image, taken from the reference pages, to indicate a caution. 
When I apply the Caution style to some text, I want the image to appear as 
well, so all I have to do is add the specific text. I'm pretty sure this can be 
done as I used templates years ago which had this for the note, caution and 
warning styles.

I do not have any side heads in my master pages and the rest of my styles go 
right to the left margin. How do I get the image to appear as part of the 
style? I can get the line above and below, and the rest of the style ok, but 
not this part. Help!

Thanks in advance
Laura

PS I have looked online for answers but can find none.

Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

[Codestuff + tagline for email]

Codestuff Ltd.
Breich Pit Studio
Mid Breich Farm
Westwood
West Calder
EH55 8PL

Finalist in the IIPSEC 2007 Award for Best Hardware SMART:Scotland Award 2007 
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Innovation.
Winners of the IIPSEC 2006 Award for Best Software Product.

Email:  l.fergusson at codestuff.net<mailto:d.ritchie at codestuff.net>
Web:http://www.codestuff.net

Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
Fax:   +44 (0) 870 490 1557

Codestuff is a private limited company, registered in Scotland with number 
261589 and having its registered office at Breich Pit Studio, West Calder, West 
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RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Laura, I've had the same issue. I've experimented quite a bit with this.

What I eventually found worked best, was to create a PDF of the manual with the 
required conditions showing. In Acrobat, I then use Export> Word document or 
Export> RTF.

It's still messy I have to admit - you may need to do a quick edit of the 
resulting Word files to tidy them up, but it's what I now do.

Depends really if the customer wants just the text or if they want a "nice" 
version.

Hope this helps
Laura

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: 05 December 2011 23:18
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Laura, I've had the same issue. I've experimented quite a bit with this.

What I eventually found worked best, was to create a PDF of the manual with the 
required conditions showing. In Acrobat, I then use Export> Word document or 
Export> RTF.

It's still messy I have to admit - you may need to do a quick edit of the 
resulting Word files to tidy them up, but it's what I now do.

Depends really if the customer wants just the text or if they want a "nice" 
version.

Hope this helps
Laura

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Laura Larson
Sent: 05 December 2011 23:18
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the 
conditional text?

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version.

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson
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Conditional text and templates

[Laura Fergusson]

Thanks for the replies to this - I haven't done much template creation as yet 
but at least I know this is possible.
Many thanks
Laura

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 December 2011 00:58
To: Laura Fergusson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text and templates

I suggest different template files, but exactly the same naming conventions 
with different formatting definitions. That way you can import either template 
to get the appropriate "look".

-Matt
@mattrsullivan
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Laura Fergusson mailto:l.fergusson at codestuff.net>> wrote:
Hi fellow Framers

I've been making heavy use of conditional text in Framemaker 8 (unstructured). 
Up to now, all manuals for different customers have used the one template.

I have a feeling that a new customer is about to request a customised template. 
However, the content will still be very similar to the other guides I produce 
for the other clients.

Is it possible to do this? That is, use one template for this particular 
client, and keep the default template for the others, within the same files?

If not, can anyone suggest the least messy way to proceed? I would say 70% of 
the text is common to all product variants.

Thanks in advance
Laura


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RE: Conditional text and templates

[Laura Fergusson]

Thanks for the replies to this - I haven't done much template creation as yet 
but at least I know this is possible.
Many thanks
Laura

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: 01 December 2011 00:58
To: Laura Fergusson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text and templates

I suggest different template files, but exactly the same naming conventions 
with different formatting definitions. That way you can import either template 
to get the appropriate "look".

-Matt
@mattrsullivan
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Laura Fergusson 
mailto:l.fergus...@codestuff.net>> wrote:
Hi fellow Framers

I've been making heavy use of conditional text in Framemaker 8 (unstructured). 
Up to now, all manuals for different customers have used the one template.

I have a feeling that a new customer is about to request a customised template. 
However, the content will still be very similar to the other guides I produce 
for the other clients.

Is it possible to do this? That is, use one template for this particular 
client, and keep the default template for the others, within the same files?

If not, can anyone suggest the least messy way to proceed? I would say 70% of 
the text is common to all product variants.

Thanks in advance
Laura


Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

Codestuff
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Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
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Conditional text and templates

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi fellow Framers

I've been making heavy use of conditional text in Framemaker 8 (unstructured). 
Up to now, all manuals for different customers have used the one template.

I have a feeling that a new customer is about to request a customised template. 
However, the content will still be very similar to the other guides I produce 
for the other clients.

Is it possible to do this? That is, use one template for this particular 
client, and keep the default template for the others, within the same files?

If not, can anyone suggest the least messy way to proceed? I would say 70% of 
the text is common to all product variants.

Thanks in advance
Laura


Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

Codestuff
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Conditional text and templates

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi fellow Framers

I've been making heavy use of conditional text in Framemaker 8 (unstructured). 
Up to now, all manuals for different customers have used the one template.

I have a feeling that a new customer is about to request a customised template. 
However, the content will still be very similar to the other guides I produce 
for the other clients.

Is it possible to do this? That is, use one template for this particular 
client, and keep the default template for the others, within the same files?

If not, can anyone suggest the least messy way to proceed? I would say 70% of 
the text is common to all product variants.

Thanks in advance
Laura


Laura Fergusson
Technical Author

Codestuff
Main Office:   +44 (0) 330 088 1884
Technical Support: +44 (0) 330 088 1894
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RE: docking quick access bar

[Laura Fergusson]

Sorry, I meant to the RIGHT!

-Original Message-
From: Laura Fergusson 
Sent: 04 November 2011 10:45
To: 'Fred Wersan'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: docking quick access bar

I've had this problem too - click the icon just to the left of the help icon  
at the top of the undocked bar.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan
Sent: 04 November 2011 10:42
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: docking quick access bar

I inadvertently undocked the Quick Access bar and now I can't figure out 
how to get it back (Frame 8). Can't find anything in the doc. Help :-(

-- 
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RE: docking quick access bar

[Laura Fergusson]

I've had this problem too - click the icon just to the left of the help icon  
at the top of the undocked bar.

-Original Message-
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Subject: docking quick access bar

I inadvertently undocked the Quick Access bar and now I can't figure out 
how to get it back (Frame 8). Can't find anything in the doc. Help :-(

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docking quick access bar

[Laura Fergusson]

Sorry, I meant to the RIGHT!

-Original Message-
From: Laura Fergusson 
Sent: 04 November 2011 10:45
To: 'Fred Wersan'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: docking quick access bar

I've had this problem too - click the icon just to the left of the help icon  
at the top of the undocked bar.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan
Sent: 04 November 2011 10:42
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: docking quick access bar

I inadvertently undocked the Quick Access bar and now I can't figure out 
how to get it back (Frame 8). Can't find anything in the doc. Help :-(

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docking quick access bar

[Laura Fergusson]

I've had this problem too - click the icon just to the left of the help icon  
at the top of the undocked bar.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Wersan
Sent: 04 November 2011 10:42
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: docking quick access bar

I inadvertently undocked the Quick Access bar and now I can't figure out 
how to get it back (Frame 8). Can't find anything in the doc. Help :-(

-- 
Fred Wersan
VT M?K, Principal Technical Writer
68 Moulton Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
T: +1.617.876.8085 x124  Email: fwersan at mak.com

(re)Discover M?K - Visit our new website!
www.mak.com

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Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

[Laura Fergusson]

Hi Tim

I found this in FM9 web help. Is this what you're wanting to do?
HTH
Laura

Add graphics to paragraph formats
A paragraph format can include a line or other graphic that appears above or 
below a paragraph. Perhaps all top-level headings in a document rest on a long 
thin line.
1. On a reference page, draw or import the graphic in a reference frame, or 
locate one already there that you want to use.
2. Click in the paragraph you want to change. To place a line above or 
below several adjacent paragraphs, select all the paragraphs.
3. Display the Advanced properties of the Paragraph Designer, and choose 
the name of a reference frame from the Frame Above Pgf or from the Frame Below 
Pgf pop-up menu. All reference frames appear in the pop-up menus.
4. Click Apply To Selection.
[http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/9.0/Using/images/tip_help.png]Because 
the Frame Above Pgf and the Frame Below Pgf settings can't place graphics to 
the right or left of a paragraph, you can't use these settings to place boxes 
around text. Box text by using a single-cell table with outside ruling.


From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim J. Slager
Sent: 23 August 2011 17:55
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Changing the color of a horizontal rule under/over a paragraph

I'm using FM 10, Unstructured.

I can't find in the help where to change the color of the rule under a 
paragraph, and I don't have my copy of Unstructured FrameMaker 8, which I 
always turn to first when I have questions like this.

How do I change the color of a rule that I apply to a paragraph in the 
Paragraph Designer > Advanced > Frame Above/Below Pgf?

tims

Tim Slager
Tech Pubs
T 616.494.1373

ACI Worldwide, 8436 Homestead Drive, Ste. 100, 
Zeeland, MI 49464, USA

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