RE: Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

Thanks for all of your suggestions. 
 
For those who were curious, the reason I was asked to do this is that the 
company who owns the manuals sometimes sells their product under a rebranding 
agreement, and smaller companies do not have the justification to use Frame. 
I'm not too worried about anyone else taking over that manual set. The company 
has been a client for a number of years and they keep pushing work my way. And, 
their customer was warned that the Word output wasn't going to look too pretty. 
;-)
 
In terms of the export itself, the actual exporting to .rtf files wasn't a big 
deal for those chapters that were mostly straight text. However, there were 
plenty of tables and screen captures, which initially bloated up the manual to 
640MB. Using Acrobat Pro to save as word files seriously messed up the 
formatting in places, so I ended up using a combination of the two methods for 
individual chapters.
 
As for the .mif export, that didn't seem to eliminate the conditional text that 
I was trying to exclude. Maybe I just didn't know enough about how to do that. 
Next time I'll try Mif2go.

Thanks again!
-Laura


 
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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

Thanks for all of your suggestions. 

For those who were curious, the reason I was asked to do this is that the 
company who owns the manuals sometimes sells their product under a rebranding 
agreement, and smaller companies do not have the justification to use Frame. 
I'm not too worried about anyone else taking over that manual set. The company 
has been a client for a number of years and they keep pushing work my way. And, 
their customer was warned that the Word output wasn't going to look too pretty. 
;-)

In terms of the export itself, the actual exporting to .rtf files wasn't a big 
deal for those chapters that were mostly straight text. However, there were 
plenty of tables and screen captures, which initially bloated up the manual to 
640MB. Using Acrobat Pro to save as word files seriously messed up the 
formatting in places, so I ended up using a combination of the two methods for 
individual chapters.

As for the .mif export, that didn't seem to eliminate the conditional text that 
I was trying to exclude. Maybe I just didn't know enough about how to do that. 
Next time I'll try Mif2go.

Thanks again!
-Laura




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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.
 
My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version. 
 
There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?
 
Thanks in advance!
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Is it possible to export a FM file without including all of the conditional text?

[Laura Larson]

I have a group of manuals where I use conditional text to keep track of the 
different variations.

My customer asked to have a word copy of one of the manuals. Is there a way to 
choose conditional text for the manual that I want which excludes all of the 
other conditional text in the final output? When exporting to an .rtf file, all 
of the information gets exported, even if I'm only showing the conditional text 
that I'm interested in. As a work around of last resort, I had to do a Show All 
and manually strip out everything I didn't want in the final version. 

There must be a better way. I've been using v7.1, but on the trial version of 
10 I noticed the same thing happening. Does any one have any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
Laura Larson  
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RE: Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Laura Larson]

I've had good results with Klaus Daube's plugin.

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#2 

The only thing I wish it would do a little better is display the full
filename of source graphics in cases where Frame is looking for missing
files. We have graphics spread all over different servers (ugly I know)
and knowing more than just a subfolder or two would be really helpful. 

Otherwise, I've been very happy using it. 

Laura Larson
Electronic Clearing House, Inc.
Lakewood, CO 80228 
(303) 650-0474 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Van Boening, Tammy
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

Van Boening, Tammy wrote:
 Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives

 keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in 
 zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that 
 allows you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, 
 right now, when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the 
 life of me see the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the 
 PDF Setup dialog box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I 
 want to be able to see them all in one view so that I can make sure 
 that I have  my indentation levels set up correctly before generating
the .pdf.

You can use ResHacker (cautiously! backup your files before messing with
'em) http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/

Use it on the fmdlg.dll file in your fminit folder.

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

[Laura Larson]

I've had good results with Klaus Daube's plugin.

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#2 

The only thing I wish it would do a little better is display the full
filename of source graphics in cases where Frame is looking for missing
files. We have graphics spread all over different servers (ugly I know)
and knowing more than just a subfolder or two would be really helpful. 

Otherwise, I've been very happy using it. 

Laura Larson
Electronic Clearing House, Inc.
Lakewood, CO 80228 
(303) 650-0474 
llarson at echo-inc.com 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+llarson=echo-inc@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+llarson=echo-inc.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Van Boening, Tammy
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Adjusting dialog box sizes in Framemaker?

Van Boening, Tammy wrote:
> Argh, I know that this topic has been covered before, but the archives

> keep timing out on my right now and my google search has resulted in 
> zilch. Isn't there a plugin available from someone/somewhere that 
> allows you to adjust the sizes of dialog boxes in Framemaker? Like, 
> right now, when my books are generating/updating, I cannot for the 
> life of me see the whole path/file name and I need to. Also, in the 
> PDF Setup dialog box, I have to scroll to see all my bookmarks, and I 
> want to be able to see them all in one view so that I can make sure 
> that I have  my indentation levels set up correctly before generating
the .pdf.

You can use ResHacker (cautiously! backup your files before messing with
'em) http://www.angusj.com/resourcehacker/

Use it on the fmdlg.dll file in your fminit folder.

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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  Others must fail."

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book paginating woes

[Laura Larson]

The file settings of the following file *did* indeed seem to be the
issue.

Thank you so much Fred, and to all who responded.
-Laura

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From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:00 AM
To: Laura Larson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: book paginating woes

A few helpful expansions on David's excellent response:

It's the Start On setting of the *following* file in the book that
causes the behavior you describe in your "problem" files. 
If you get a blank verso page in a chapter, the second place to look
(after making sure that the current chapter is set to Delete Empty
Pages) is the pagination properties of the next file in the book.

Also note that the Next Available option that David mentions is only
available from the book window. The pagination properties you set in the
individual chapter apply if you ever print that chapter on its own, and
without the context of the book there is no notion of "next available".

Finally, you can set the pagination properties for a group of chapter
files in the same operation by selecting the chapters in the book window
and then right-clicking and choosing Pagination from the pop-up menu.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of David Schor
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:22 AM
To: Laura Larson
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: book paginating woes

Laura,

It's very likely that in the Book, the files are defined to start on
right pages in a double-sided page setup. If this is the case, Frame
will always add a blank left page, if necessary, in order to maintain
consecutive running pages as it generates and updates the Book. In such
settings, Frame will not end a file on a right page, and then continue
the next file on a right page. It must account for a left page, even a
blank one, in between.

If you don't want any empty pages and don't care which side the files
start, set the files in the Book  to start on the "next available page"
and to "delete empty pages." Then, save the Book and reupdate it.

HTH,


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On 1/9/07, Laura Larson  wrote:
> I have two files in a book that refuse to leave out blank even pages.
I
> go through and reset the pagination so that both the book and files
> match pagination and numbering settings to delete blank pages, and
each
> time I go to regenerate the TOC, in returns that extra blank page.
>
> I've gone into my master pages and tried to reapply them, I've
> reimported new page layouts from files that I know work as they are
> supposed to, and I've even copied the text (we're only talking one
page
> here of an introduction), and the new files takes on the same
> troublesome attributes. This is only an 25 page document, but the
> chapter files are similar to another book so I'm reluctant to put all
> the text into a single file for the sake of consistency.
>
> The only hint of a potential error that I get is that there may be
> something on the page about an irregular column layout.
>
> The specific message is that the new column layout seems to overlap
> other objects on some body pages, am I sure I want to apply the new
> column layout? and the specific page that is supposedly impacted. Even
> though I click Yes, nothing changes. I have nothing but text on the
> page, there are no residual graphics, nor residual conditional or
hidden
> text for that matter.
>
> Another error message that I've seen is that there is no mapping in
the
> reference pages for my master page. However, I would have thought that
> if there were an error in that regard that it would have been
corrected
> when I reimported my new formats from a "good" file.
>
> Could those vague errors be complete misdirection? Any suggestions
would
> be most heartening.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Laura Larson
> Electronic Clearing House, Inc.
> 355 Union Blvd, Ste 301
> Lakewood, CO 80228
> (303) 650-0474
> llarson at echo-inc.com
>
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book paginating woes

[Laura Larson]

I have two files in a book that refuse to leave out blank even pages. I
go through and reset the pagination so that both the book and files
match pagination and numbering settings to delete blank pages, and each
time I go to regenerate the TOC, in returns that extra blank page.
 
I've gone into my master pages and tried to reapply them, I've
reimported new page layouts from files that I know work as they are
supposed to, and I've even copied the text (we're only talking one page
here of an introduction), and the new files takes on the same
troublesome attributes. This is only an 25 page document, but the
chapter files are similar to another book so I'm reluctant to put all
the text into a single file for the sake of consistency. 
 
The only hint of a potential error that I get is that there may be
something on the page about an irregular column layout. 
 
The specific message is that the new column layout seems to overlap
other objects on some body pages, am I sure I want to apply the new
column layout? and the specific page that is supposedly impacted. Even
though I click Yes, nothing changes. I have nothing but text on the
page, there are no residual graphics, nor residual conditional or hidden
text for that matter.
 
Another error message that I've seen is that there is no mapping in the
reference pages for my master page. However, I would have thought that
if there were an error in that regard that it would have been corrected
when I reimported my new formats from a good file. 
 
Could those vague errors be complete misdirection? Any suggestions would
be most heartening. 
 
Thanks!
 
Laura Larson
Electronic Clearing House, Inc. 
355 Union Blvd, Ste 301
Lakewood, CO 80228
(303) 650-0474 
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book paginating woes

[Laura Larson]

I have two files in a book that refuse to leave out blank even pages. I
go through and reset the pagination so that both the book and files
match pagination and numbering settings to delete blank pages, and each
time I go to regenerate the TOC, in returns that extra blank page.

I've gone into my master pages and tried to reapply them, I've
reimported new page layouts from files that I know work as they are
supposed to, and I've even copied the text (we're only talking one page
here of an introduction), and the new files takes on the same
troublesome attributes. This is only an 25 page document, but the
chapter files are similar to another book so I'm reluctant to put all
the text into a single file for the sake of consistency. 

The only hint of a potential error that I get is that there may be
something on the page about an irregular column layout. 

The specific message is that the new column layout seems to overlap
other objects on some body pages, am I sure I want to apply the new
column layout? and the specific page that is supposedly impacted. Even
though I click Yes, nothing changes. I have nothing but text on the
page, there are no residual graphics, nor residual conditional or hidden
text for that matter.

Another error message that I've seen is that there is no mapping in the
reference pages for my master page. However, I would have thought that
if there were an error in that regard that it would have been corrected
when I reimported my new formats from a "good" file. 

Could those vague errors be complete misdirection? Any suggestions would
be most heartening. 

Thanks!

Laura Larson
Electronic Clearing House, Inc. 
355 Union Blvd, Ste 301
Lakewood, CO 80228
(303) 650-0474 
llarson at echo-inc.com  

Using Conditional Text in Books

[Laura Larson]

Is there a way to change the conditional text settings for all of the
chapters in book at one time, rather than having to go in and reset each
chapter file individually? 
 
I have three books that I have set up to share several chapter files,
but having to go in and change the conditional text settings for each
chapter at a time seems rather cumbersome. 
 
I'm using Frame 7.1. Any suggestions would be most welcome!
 
Thanks!
 
Laura Larson
Senior Technical Writer
Electronic Clearing House, Inc. 
355 Union Blvd, Ste 301
Lakewood, CO 80228
(303) 650-0474 
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Using Conditional Text in Books

[Laura Larson]

Is there a way to change the conditional text settings for all of the
chapters in book at one time, rather than having to go in and reset each
chapter file individually? 

I have three books that I have set up to share several chapter files,
but having to go in and change the conditional text settings for each
chapter at a time seems rather cumbersome. 

I'm using Frame 7.1. Any suggestions would be most welcome!

Thanks!

Laura Larson
Senior Technical Writer
Electronic Clearing House, Inc. 
355 Union Blvd, Ste 301
Lakewood, CO 80228
(303) 650-0474 
llarson at echo-inc.com