Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to menu icons

[Scott Turner]

As an example, one only has to look at the kludge that Microsoft made of Word. 
It is not as easy to do perform certain function or to access features. New and 
fresh can be simply, "we needed to justify getting more money from our users."

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 13:27, Craig, Alison  wrote:
> 
> I’m sorry but this is offensive to me on so many levels – possibly others as 
> well. And it’s indicative of too many players in the software world these 
> days.
>>> And? History is history! More or less no one from the old FrameMaker days 
>>> is in the FrameMaker team today. Product Managers, engineers, QA, etc. – 
>>> the whole team is pretty young and fresh. And with a lot of energy.
> History isn’t just history. Remember "those who do not learn history are 
> doomed to repeat it" which means you make the same mistakes over and over. 
> Sound familiar when taken in context with some of the comments in this thread?
> It’s not an accomplishment to say “More or less no one from the old 
> FrameMaker days is in the FrameMaker team today”. That’s a sad commentary on 
> the way Adobe (among others) does business and how it treats its employees.
> And “young and fresh…with a lot of energy” in this context is nothing to brag 
> about. It implies that older, experienced personnel just drag down the team..
> “Tried and true” can be better for *good* reason. I’ve personally seen “young 
> and fresh” team members push for something that’s long since been rejected by 
> users as the opposite of what’s actually needed or even worse, completely 
> useless. But hey, it’s cute and/or trendy! And isn’t that what counts?
> Experienced team members with an ingrained history of the program’s 
> development arc can steer the team away from revisiting *proven* bad ideas 
> and the more obvious *silly* ones. Of course, that’s only if they have the 
> stamina and energy to get out bed every morning and make it to work at all, 
> let alone on time.
> Alison Craig
> Technical Documentation Specialist
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> 
> From: Framers 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Stefan Gentz
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 4:25 AM
> To: Peter Gold
> Cc: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 2017 Feature Request: Restore color and scaling to 
> menu icons
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> my history with FrameMaker might be short and small compared to yours (I have 
> only about 20 years of FrameMaker history on my shoulders, only something 
> like +50,000 hours of working with FM, and only several million pages proc

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Re: [Framers] Won't recognize keystrokes

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Another key combo to lock and unlock view only is Esc, F, l, k.

> On Nov 4, 2016, at 14:29, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:
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> BTW...There is a small lock icon in the top icon row . Click to toggle the
> lock on and off.
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> From:"Monique Semp" 
> To:"John Posada" , "FrameUsers List"
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> Date:11/04/2016 10:05 AM
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> 
>> Do I remember something about a key combination that turns a page into
> View
>> only and back?
> 
> Yes; try Esc Shift+f l (lowercase L) k.
> 
> (Found by googling "framemaker view only mode" :-).
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Re: [Framers] Thumb Tabs

[Scott Turner]

Yes it can be done, and it is effective for printed materials. I did this for 
documents back around Frame 5 onward. I used conditional text to set the 
chapter bleed tabs. That was back when the company k was with produces a 
printed manual as a product.

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 09:53, Denis Daly  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> For a new Technical User Guide, we are exploring the use of printed 'Thumb 
> Tabs' (correct name?).
> 
> These would be printed on page one of each section; their purpose to aid the 
> user in retrieving relevant information more quickly.
> 
> Do you think this is a sensible idea, and can it be done using FM?
> 
> I use FM12, Windows 10.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Denis
> 
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Re: [Framers] Kinda OT: PDF produced from printing FM book to .ps and then distilling to PDF

[Scott Turner]

Because the two step method allows finer control and batching?

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 13:10, Art Campbell  wrote:
> 
> Not understanding why you'd to a two-step manual distillation like this
> instead of just printing to the Adobe PDF printer instance directly.
> 
> I'd try the standard method, the one-step, instead of the two-step before I
> decided it was a problem/bug...
> 
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> On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Tammy Van Boening <
> tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have to test four browsers with the output that I produce for a client -
>> Chrome, Mozilla, IE, and Safari. The new "Edge" browser for Windows 10
>> designed to replace IE is now a consideration. I have not one, but two
>> clients now say that when they open a PDF produced as described that I have
>> uploaded to Dropbox in Edge, the PDF erroneously appears as doubled - for
>> example, an 81 page PDF shows 162 pages, and it's basically the PDF
>> "appended to itself." It ends at page 81 and then starts smack dab over
>> again on page 1.  (I doubt that the way that I produced the PDF vs.
>> printing
>> directly to PDF has anything to do with the issue, but I just wanted to
>> cover all bases.)
>> 
>> This doesn't happen with any of the other browsers. I told the client to
>> download the PDF and then view and still the same problem, but just with
>> Edge.
>> 
>> Has anyone encountered this issue/seen this at all? I tried googling it,
>> but
>> Edge is so new, there's scant information on it and this did not come up in
>> the search of problems with Edge.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> TVB
>> 
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Re: [Framers] Counting words in a FrameMaker book

[Scott Turner]

Here is the link.

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com


> On Jan 8, 2016, at 14:43, Lynn Gold  wrote:
> 
> We have book files with over 30 chapters that we need to process for 
> translation. We know how to get the words for each file, but is there 
> something out there that will take a book file and count the number of words? 
> I know the late Bruce Foster wrote something that did this, but he’s been 
> dead for 4.5 years and I couldn’t find a downloadable version of it anywhere 
> on the Internet.
>  
> Thanks,
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Re: [Framers] Counting words in a FrameMaker book

[Scott Turner]

Silicon prairie has a plug in that counts words, among the other things it does.

> On Jan 8, 2016, at 14:43, Lynn Gold  wrote:
> 
> We have book files with over 30 chapters that we need to process for 
> translation. We know how to get the words for each file, but is there 
> something out there that will take a book file and count the number of words? 
> I know the late Bruce Foster wrote something that did this, but he’s been 
> dead for 4.5 years and I couldn’t find a downloadable version of it anywhere 
> on the Internet.
>  
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>  
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Re: Importing clear, sharp images

[Scott Turner]

We use PNG or GIF formats to get the sharpest screen captures. We use PDF for 
all other graphics.

> On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:36, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Are you using File > Import > File > by Reference?
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:52 AM, Tim Pann  wrote:
>> Output is PDF, and yes, my issue is with the finished product, not what I'm
>> seeing on my computer screen.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Shmuel [shmue...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:15 AM
>> To: Tim Pann; framers
>> Subject: Re: Importing clear, sharp images
>> 
>> Images often appear choppy in FrameMaker, but come out better in the PDF.
>> The way they look in FrameMaker is just like a preview. Is your output PDF,
>> online help, or both?
>> 
>> --
>> Shmuel Wolfson
>> Technical Writer
>> 052-763-7133
>> 
>> On 18-Jun-15 12:10 AM, Tim Pann wrote:
>> 
>> I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7. And my apologies if this has been covered
>> and answered.
>> 
>> Can anyone point me toward a good resource (or just tell me if it's quick)
>> for understanding how to get nice sharp images imported by reference in
>> FrameMaker? I'm working on a doc right now in which I'm mostly importing PSD
>> files. They're all screen captures of a user interface. I have to resize
>> most of them and they're looking pretty choppy. I switched to a TIF image
>> for one and that didn't help.
>> 
>> I know that TIFF is the preferred format (not sure about PSD but many of my
>> PSD imports look nice) but I don't know if there are specific guidelines or
>> recommendations about resolution, resizing once imported, etc.
>> 
>> I'm happy to provide more information about what I'm doing if needed. No
>> idea what's relevant and what's not.
>> 
>> Thank you,
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Re: try not to laugh out loud at this question...

[Scott Turner]

Not as Framemaker does it. Closest function is embedding another file, or 
putting  a text from in place of a graphic. They are then static. I don't trust 
Word to reference anything reliably.

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 13:15, hessiansx4  wrote:
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> I was explaining text insets in FM and was asked if Word does anything 
> similar. Does it? I did a cursory online search but didn't come up with any 
> usable information.
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Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint

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SharePoint also has storage capacity issues. It is not a fully capable CVS, it 
is better at content management. These are are two distinct and separate 
functions. SharePoint is a sow's ear wanting to be a silk purse as far as CVS 
functions are concerned. 


> On Apr 8, 2015, at 12:58, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
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> There's no benefit to integration with a system that can't handle your 
> projects.
> 
> A lot of SharePoint's claimed capabilities are implemented more as
> proofs of concept than to meet the actual requirements of real-world
> use. The 100-file limit tells me that revision control is one of
> those.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Michael Norton  wrote:
>> ... I can see some benefit in being able to check in and check out files
>> directly from Frame and also update dependent files. With our current system
>> (which is very old) everything is manual.
>> 
>> SVN, however, may be an option.
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Re: secured PDFs

[Scott Turner]

In the financial industry we are under requirements from the CFPB to provide 
authorized documents to our internal users. One part of that is access to 
secured online docs. We want the authorized version to be used and that is only 
possible from a single online access point, ensuring that the latest authorized 
version is used. We don't want them to extract anything, or to print. 


> On Mar 3, 2015, at 14:12, Johnson, Joyce  wrote:
> 
> We deliver user guides (software and hardware) to customers  via 
> password-protected pdfs, loaded onto servers and also posted on our customer 
> web portal. 
>  
> I’m wondering how members of this group deliver customer-facing documents. Do 
> you use pdfs? If so, do you secure those pdfs? If you secure them, how do you 
> accommodate in-house colleagues who request unsecured pdfs so they can 
> extract pages and images?
>  
> Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Re: Basic question: Book revision best practices

[Scott Turner]

Rick and Syed have the meat of it. Keep it simple.

We do not use small increments, the x.1 and so forth, because we consider all 
changes to the doc as major. We don't have to worry over what constitutes a 
minor or major version.


> On Feb 5, 2015, at 11:41, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Tim, I agree entirely with Rick.
>  
> I like to leave a directory/folder with all the files (including the output 
> PDF) of older versions, so that I can refer to/recreate them later as needed 
> – questions about prior versions of documents do arise.
>  
> Being able to compare files (to see what changed from version B to version F) 
> is often useful too.
>  
> The names of the books and the files stay unchanged as a result of this 
> approach.
>  
> (FWIW though, I am thinking of switching to GIT for this purpose in the 
> future. Then, I can recreate any released version as needed, rather than 
> having a separated directory/folder for each.)
>  
> Z
>  
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> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:15 AM
> To: 'Tim Pann'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Basic question: Book revision best practices
>  
> Hi Tim,
>  
> I prefer to do my versioning at the folder level. That way, I never have to 
> rename .book or .fm files. When I am ready for 1.1, I create a folder and 
> copy all of the 1.0 files to it. You can rename book components and 
> FrameMaker will resolve cross-references, etc. but I prefer filenames that I 
> can leave unchanged.
>  
> Rick
>  
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> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tim Pann
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 11:55 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Basic question: Book revision best practices
>  
> Hello,
> 
> I'm a long-time lurker sometime poster. Not particularly active on the list 
> because my use of Frame is pretty limited. (I am a technical trainer and I do 
> not follow strict version control practices, so some of this will probably 
> make some folks on this list bristle.) But I would love some input on this 
> particular issue. I'm using Frame 9 on Windows 7 but I doubt that is relevant 
> here.
> 
> I have a book file that contains several chapters, a TOC, and a title page. 
> Very simple. The book is version 1.0. The book file and all other files 
> contain "v1-0" in the filename. All files have "Version 1.0" in the footer, 
> and the date of release.
> 
> Now I want to make changes, so it will become version 1.1. What do best 
> practices say to do? I assume save all content, TOC, and title files as new 
> "v1-1" files. Should I create a new "v1-1" book file into which the v1-1 
> content goes? Or should the book file itself be version agnostic?
> 
> Depending on answers to these questions I may have other questions so feel 
> free to be exhaustive. Or, if you can provide a link to such information all 
> the better.
> 
> Thank you,
> Tim
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Re: Consistent Conditional Text (K Grace)

[Scott Turner]

This is also true in Structured Frame, only there you should select the the 
element the text is contained within.

Scott


> On Nov 8, 2014, at 15:58, Yvonne DeGraw  wrote:
> 
> In Frame, choose View > Text Symbols. That lets you see the paragraph marks 
> at the end of your paragraphs and list items. It sounds like you are 
> conditionalizing the text but not the end of paragraph characters. The ones 
> you didn't conditionalize will show up as black even when your 
> conditionalized text is colored.
> 
> I generally edit with Text Symbols showing almost all the time in both Frame 
> and Word.
> 
>> Does anyone have a list of rules of thumb when using conditional text ?  I 
>> When I mark the text the results that I get when I turn the conditions on or 
>> off are inconsistent.  For example if I have a bulleted list and I only want 
>> certain bullets to appear under certain conditions when I hide the condition 
>> the bullet remains (i.e., I am left with a bullet and no text) when I want 
>> both the text and the bullet to be removed if the bulleted item is not 
>> supposed to show up.  Another such occurrence is if I select a paragraph 
>> that is conditional and I hide the condition the paragraph is removed but 
>> the spacing between the preceding and following paragraphs is not adjusted 
>> properly.
> 
> ~O-O-O~~
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Re: A giggle from the Adobe website

[Scott Turner]

My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is 
threatening to approach the Microsoft level.


> On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:09, Ed Nodland  wrote:
> 
> I get it now.  All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker.  From 
> wiki: "An end user of a computer system or software is someone who uses it." 
> 
> I will let them know I am an end-user.  That could explain why we get answers 
> that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites.  I was checking 
> IT manager.
> 
> I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than it 
> was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie  wrote:
>> Pat Christenson wrote:
>> 
>> I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, 
>> you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is 
>> End User.
>> 
>> Really? That's a job title? ;-)
>> 
>> At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote:
>> 
>> >It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.
>> >
>> >I hear the pay sucks, too.
>> 
>> And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped?
>> 
>> Helen
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Re: FrameMaker 10 deleted a file from my hard drive

[Scott Turner]

We had that happen using FM 10 also. The best I could figure out from 
information I gleaned from Microsoft and Adobe, it was a peculiar reaction 
between the OS and FM. Never had the problem after we went to 11 or 12.


> On Oct 24, 2014, at 19:12, Linda Gallagher  wrote:
> 
> FM 10
> Win 7
>  
> All,
>  
> I was just working in a book that I created about a month ago. I created a 
> PDF, found some things that needed fixing, edited a couple of files (not the 
> one at issue), updated the book, found a bad x-ref, then found that the file 
> the x-ref went to is gone. I mean completely gone. Not in the book file, not 
> in the folder on my hard drive, not anywhere on my hard drive. Gone!
>  
> I edited the file earlier, and of course it was the only one I'd made 
> extensive changes to today, and it's also the longest file of the book 
> (though only 20 pages).
>  
> How on earth could the file get deleted. Everything is local on my computer. 
> I'm the only one using any of this. The file was there when I created the PDF 
> only a few minutes before the disappearing act. My only actions after 
> creating the PDF were to edit a couple of files in the book, then update the 
> book. Then WTF, the file is gone.
>  
> I've recovered the file from backups (I have multiple backup methods and 
> locations), but now I'm worried about this issue. What could cause it? I've 
> been using FM 10 for years with no issues. (I upgraded to FM 12 recently, but 
> haven't updated my old projects.)
>  
> Any ideas???
>  
> ~
> Linda G. Gallagher
> STC Fellow
> TechCom Plus, LLC
> lindag at techcomplus dot com
> www.techcomplus.com 
> 303-450-9076
> Tutorials, "show me" demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks 
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Re: OT: Spoke to soon. Adobe customer support is back up to its shenanigans. Anyone from Adobe monitoring this list???????

[Scott Turner]

Our corporate IT Help Desk is very similar in operation. So now we just call it 
Desk. Any help you get is purely unintentional and accidental. 

Good luck, Adobe has assumed the corporate policies toward customers that 
Microsoft pioneered.


> On Oct 22, 2014, at 16:30, Tammy Van Boening  
> wrote:
> 
> If anyone at Adobe is monitoring this list and reads this email, customer 
> support would be sincerely appreciated.
>  
> My client purchased a retail license for Framemaker 10.  After the purchase, 
> and installation, my client set up an Adobe account with an email and a 
> password. My client attempted to use this email and password to access their 
> Adobe account today. The email was from the business email of the VP of 
> Software  Development that is no longer at the company. When my client 
> entered this email and password, a dialog opened stating that because of 
> security issues, that a new password had to be created for the account and 
> that an automatic email with a temporary password with the proper 
> instructions was being sent to the email address on file for the account. 
> Well, this obviously won't work as this email is for a person who no  longer 
> works at the company. It's now an invalid email. I got on the phone with 
> Adobe support and Ashish stated that all I had to do was have an email sent 
> that came from my client's address (i.e., usern...@clientcompany.com) that 
> requested a reset of the email address for the account.  We did that. Well, 
> come to find out, now Adobe is digging in its heels saying that my client has 
> to fill out a License Transfer form that asks for all this crap that such as 
> the End-User ID, etc. Say what? We are NOT transferring the friggin' license. 
> We are just trying to reset the email address for a valid account. The 
> friggin' license is staying with the company. The company purchased the 
> license, not the VP of Software.  And Adobe is saying that this the one and 
> only shot that we get at this, otherwise, they license becomes invalid . . . 
> Again, my client purchased the perpetual license and it is still valid. We 
> just need to change the email address on the account.
>  
> Any advice from anyone on this list? I swear to G_D that Adobe Customer 
> Support is an oxymoron and exists only to hassle, harangue and just plain 
> hack off its customer base.
>  
> TIA,
>  
> TVB
>  
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> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 11:06 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: OT: OMG . . . Wonderful customer service from Adobe
>  
> OK,
> 
> So, I will be the first to admit that I will one of the squeakiest wheels 
> around on this list when it comes to getting lousy customer support from 
> Adobe, but this time, I felt that, in all fairness, it would also be 
> appropriate to send a shout out when it turned out to be great customer 
> service.
> 
> I have a long time client that I got set up with Adobe Framemaker. Long time 
> client went through a major reorganization and tons of layoffs since March of 
> this year. My contact there, the long time VP of SW Development, was one of 
> the folks who got the ax. This VP had purchased a retail license for FM, and 
> had set up the Adobe account with his credentials (email and password). When 
> he got the ax, all the information about the purchase (serial number, Adobe 
> account information, etc.) was never kept track of, and the two machines on 
> which he had installed FM got wiped BEFORE deactivating FM. Yea, right. Well, 
> long time client wanted to get set back up again with FM, get an account 
> reactivated, get the activation back for FM. . . and being Adobe novices, it 
> was a landmine for them. They didn't even know where to begin and reached out 
> to me.
> 
> Well, I haven't had to deal with Adobe support in a while (knock on wood) and 
> I quickly found out that the rules for phone support have changed .  .  . 
> even the phone number that was readily available for installation and 
> activation questions is no longer available after 90 days from installation 
> and you are forced to chat. 
> 
> In a nutshell, chat was as useful as a screen door in a submarine. After an 
> hour of going nowhere fast, and basically being told that my client was 
> "screwed" despite the fact that they had a valid license, I called the 
> support number in frustration and got through to a live person in TCS 
> support. I asked them (nay, begged them) to listen to my complicated 
> situation and Ashish understood my frustration and offered to help me.
> 
> In about 15 minutes, what couldn't be accomplished in a useless 1 hour chat 
> was accomplished and taken care of right the first time with Ashish and I am 
> so grateful. He actually understood the concept of customer service and 
> helping an Adobe customer.  The folks on chat . . . go fly a kite
> 
> Adobe certain

Re: . PDF query

[Scott Turner]

The reason this hasn't been "fixed" is that it's a Microsoft OS problem, not a 
FrameMaker problem. It's been made better, but Microsoft is still the culprit. 
Under the Apple OS, this was a non-problem because there was no translation 
from CMYK to RGB. They were separate attributes. 


> On Oct 20, 2014, at 10:16, Davis, David 
>  wrote:
> 
> A recurring problem is that Dov Isaacs says something, and it’s repeated like 
> a mantra by everyone for the next 15 years even when subsequent changes may 
> have made that particular advice obsolete…
> But then we also have situation when Dov tells that the advice *is* still 
> relevant, but for some reason it still hasn’t made it into the actual 
> FrameMaker help files.
> I’m undecided as to which scenario is to more annoying J
>  
> From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59
> To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
> Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: . PDF query
>  
> My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the 
> issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
> 
> Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts.
> 
> Lin
>  
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Böðvar Björgvinsson  
> wrote:
> Since I started seriously learning FrameMaker (7.0) I have always been 
> advised against using SaveAs PDF but instead print to file using whatever the 
> name has been each version of the Adobe PostScript printer engine. Takes af 
> few more clicks but saves a lot of trouble.
>  
> Still do it several versions higher.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
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Re: Help tips for structured Framemaker?

[Scott Turner]

That depends on what DTD or schematic you are using. Since we use DOCBook, I 
found that I got the best explanation of element usage from the ORielly Media 
publication, DocBook-The definitive Guide. 

There are other sources if information out there that are online.

> On Aug 15, 2014, at 13:03, Theresa de Valence  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to all for the pointers to building my own EDD using the manual 
> "Developing Structured Applications" (Structure_Dev_Guide.pdf) from Adobe.
> 
> Where can I go and find out more about what the structured 
> elements/attributes mean?
> 
> I've had no success with Adobe.com or the Framemaker 12 help pdf.
> 
> Specifically at the moment, I'm trying to find out how Frame decides when and 
> how to apply "FirstIndentRelative" i.e. relative to what? In following the 
> instructions, it seems to me all I did was input a value for a Paragraph 
> Indent, but I have not told Frame any rules about WHEN to apply this command.
> 
> For those who don't have this exercise fresh in their memory ;-) there has 
> been an Indent (0.3") added in all contexts to the Section element. The Title 
> element has a (-0.3") FirstIndentRelative.
> 
> Is there some place where exists a list of elements & attributes which 
> discusses what each means?
> 
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11

[Scott Turner]

Another technique to get graphics in vector rather than raster format is to 
extract the page from the PDF, then crop the image. Your final image, while 
better than a simple raster graphic is still limited by the original 
resolution. This does get around the horizontal band problem.

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 13:53, "Carol J. Elkins"  wrote:
> 
> When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print 
> the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics 
> as .eps files. Then I import those by reference into the FM book. (I rename 
> them first to some meaningful filename.) However, sometimes for reasons I 
> don't understand, the graphics exported out of the PDF are rendered in 
> multiple horizontal strips and are not usable.
> 
> So my second workflow is to open the PDF page with the problem graphic on it 
> in Illustrator, select the graphic, copy it to a blank file, and save it in 
> Illustrator format. I import the Illustrator graphic by reference into 
> Framemaker.
> 
> I'm using more and more Illustrator graphics as direct imports into my 
> Framemaker documents. It saves time to not have to convert them to .eps or 
> other graphic format. Plus, when I click them in Framemaker, they open 
> directly in Illustrator for editing.
> 
> Carol
> 
> At 11:00 AM 6/5/2014, you wrote:
>> FM, of course, converts the doc with all the Word graphics embedded. I can 
>> get copies of all the graphics by doing a HTML save from Word and then 
>> collecting all the .png and .jgp files that I need from there. But what is 
>> the most efficient way (let's call it the modern way) to get these into the 
>> FM document as imported graphics to replace the embedded graphics. I've done 
>> the replace each one by hand route in the past, but it "rawther bores me".
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Re: ExtendScript "Scripting Guide Adobe FrameMaker ..."

[Scott Turner]

Why would they keep documentation current? Adobe is the new Microsoft. 
Customers/users are irrelevant.

> On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:40, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if a new version of this guide is available: 
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/framemaker_10_scripting.pdf
> 
> A search of their site did not find any version 11 or version 12 guide ... 
> Adobe needs to place documentation (and appropriate links) more consistently 
> on their web-site. 
> 
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Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7

[Scott Turner]

Expect to pay full price on all upgrades. Other than that, everything is still 
basically the same with a different look and feel.

Scott T

> On Feb 6, 2014, at 5:47, Carrie Baker  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I don't think I am the only person with oldish software.
> 
> I work in a fairly small company, as a single technical writer.
> 
> I have FrameMaker 7, and use with Acrobat 7.
> 
> I create PDF files for distribution and help files with Webworks ePublisher 
> Pro version 9.02
> 
> I am also using a version of MIF2Go from a few years ago (I do have a newer 
> one, but once everything worked OK, I did not want to break something with an 
> upgrade...)
> 
> And all of this wonderful technology runs on XP.
> 
> Finally our IT manager told me that a new computer has become available for 
> me.
> 
> This new laptop will obviously run Windows 7.
> 
> As you might have gathered budget is a bit tight where I work.
> 
> So the first question is will the applications I have run on Windows 7?
> 
> If not, what do you advise?
> 
> I asked the R&D round here whether the help files (2 chm, the rest html) I 
> provide them with, run properly on our applications, and they claimed that 
> they do.
> 
> Most run in a browser (IE), and the others are made in C++.
> 
> 
> If I have to upgrade the applications I use, I would also consider making 
> further changes so that they will be compatible with today's technology.
> 
> Would be interested in hearing any advice about this.
> 
> thanks 
> 
> 
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alphabetic <$chapnum>

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One thing to watch for is that all styles that use this numbering stream have 
the exact same number of placeholders. Otherwise you may encounter numbering 
discrepancies.

The instance you show makes me a bit nervous since the <$chapnum> variable is 
in second position.

> On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:59, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> The autonumber format for my chapters is:
> 
> N:Chapter\ < ><$chapnum>: 
> 
> I want to number my chapters alphabetically, so I set the chapter numbering 
> properties in my book to "Fomat: Alphabetic (N)". This works as long as I 
> restart my chapter numbering (Chapter #: 1). When I select "Continue 
> numbering from Previous Chapter in Book", however, I get "numeric (14)" 
> numbering again.
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: alphabetic <$chapnum>

[Scott Turner]

One thing to watch for is that all styles that use this numbering stream have 
the exact same number of placeholders. Otherwise you may encounter numbering 
discrepancies.

The instance you show makes me a bit nervous since the <$chapnum> variable is 
in second position.

> On Oct 21, 2013, at 1:59, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> The autonumber format for my chapters is:
> 
> N:Chapter\ < ><$chapnum>: 
> 
> I want to number my chapters alphabetically, so I set the chapter numbering 
> properties in my book to "Fomat: Alphabetic (N)". This works as long as I 
> restart my chapter numbering (Chapter #: 1). When I select "Continue 
> numbering from Previous Chapter in Book", however, I get "numeric (14)" 
> numbering again.
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Save as HTML in FrameMaker 11

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Changing to structure will not automatically produce a better result. You need 
to have three things. A good mapping between your paragraph and character tags 
and the HTML transformation table, a well defined CSS, and well organized  FM 
files.

> On Oct 20, 2013, at 19:10, Austin Meredith  wrote:
> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 9 Unstructured with Windows 7 to generate PDFs for the 
> internet, and I'm forever getting complaints from my users such as "Your live 
> links simply don't function, with Safari on my iPad!"
>  
> Once upon a time I attempted to generate HTML output but the only result I 
> was able to obtain, way back then, was unreadable garbage, unreadable garbage 
> that at my skill level I couldn't figure out how to fix. What would probably 
> be my experience *now* if I upgraded to FrameMaker 11 Unstructured and again 
> attempted to "Save as HTML"? With the new software, would this now produce 
> reasonable HTML output that I could then expect to be able to fine-tune? Or 
> --my skill levels being as low as they are-- would I probably still find 
> myself in that same fix?
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Re: Save as HTML in FrameMaker 11

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Changing to structure will not automatically produce a better result. You need 
to have three things. A good mapping between your paragraph and character tags 
and the HTML transformation table, a well defined CSS, and well organized  FM 
files.

> On Oct 20, 2013, at 19:10, Austin Meredith  wrote:
> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 9 Unstructured with Windows 7 to generate PDFs for the 
> internet, and I'm forever getting complaints from my users such as "Your live 
> links simply don't function, with Safari on my iPad!"
>  
> Once upon a time I attempted to generate HTML output but the only result I 
> was able to obtain, way back then, was unreadable garbage, unreadable garbage 
> that at my skill level I couldn't figure out how to fix. What would probably 
> be my experience *now* if I upgraded to FrameMaker 11 Unstructured and again 
> attempted to "Save as HTML"? With the new software, would this now produce 
> reasonable HTML output that I could then expect to be able to fine-tune? Or 
> --my skill levels being as low as they are-- would I probably still find 
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Structured FrameMaker Developer's Guide for FM 11?

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They have not updated any documentation in any significant way since FM 9. 

The help files are minimally updated to reflect the current UI. 

> On Oct 17, 2013, at 12:52, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> What Structured FrameMaker documentation Adobe has created is
> scattered in various places, but there are also gaping holes.
> 
> The FM11 help says "see the online manual, Developing Structured
> Applications with Adobe FrameMaker 9," so I think that's an indication
> that they have not updated it.
> 
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Re: Structured FrameMaker Developer's Guide for FM 11?

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They have not updated any documentation in any significant way since FM 9. 

The help files are minimally updated to reflect the current UI. 

> On Oct 17, 2013, at 12:52, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> What Structured FrameMaker documentation Adobe has created is
> scattered in various places, but there are also gaping holes.
> 
> The FM11 help says "see the online manual, Developing Structured
> Applications with Adobe FrameMaker 9," so I think that's an indication
> that they have not updated it.
> 
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Differences in screen fonts not appearing in printed or pdf docs

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Interesting problem. 

The use of two Garamond fonts from different found arises will no necessarily 
produce discernibly different characters. A totally different don't family 
should be used instead of two Garamond fonts.

I have noticed that on Windows, font representation accuracy diminishes when 
viewing at less than 100%. I've noted that characters lose definition unless 
viewed at 120% magnification. 

That seems to be part and parcel of the Windows font management code under high 
resolution screen viewing.

Scott T.

> On Oct 13, 2013, at 15:09, "Rod Fee"  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
>  
> I have written a book, an experimental academic novel,  in Framemaker 
> 10.0.2.419 which has three frames per page and in each I use a slightly 
> different font and want to preserve that.
>  
> The three fonts I am using are:
>  
> Garamond Opentype
> Adobe Garamond Pro Opentype
> Bembo Truetype
>  
> On the screen these three fonts are clearly identifiable as different to one 
> another.
>  
> When I:
>  
> a.   save to pdf and view on the screen; or
> b.  print to my printer from the pdf; or
> c.   print to my printer from the native FM files
>  
> the difference in fonts becomes minimal to the extent that I cannot tell them 
> apart.
>  
> I am thinking that it is not a printer driver issue because of the pdf 
> experience.
>  
> My OS is Windows 8
> My Printer is a Brother HL-2270DW series b&w laser printer
>  
> Any hints/clues/advice/help would be appreciated.
>  
> If there is another alternative series of three fonts that are very close but 
> visibly subtly different anyone can suggest I would also appreciate such 
> advice.
>  
> The reason I am wanting to use different fonts is that in the final chapter 
> of the work, the fonts are nixed depending on which of the three layers of 
> narrative they  originate from and I want to make that clear to a discerning 
> reader without making it look too varied and ruin the reading flow.
>  
> Kind regards,
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Re: Differences in screen fonts not appearing in printed or pdf docs

[Scott Turner]

Interesting problem. 

The use of two Garamond fonts from different found arises will no necessarily 
produce discernibly different characters. A totally different don't family 
should be used instead of two Garamond fonts.

I have noticed that on Windows, font representation accuracy diminishes when 
viewing at less than 100%. I've noted that characters lose definition unless 
viewed at 120% magnification. 

That seems to be part and parcel of the Windows font management code under high 
resolution screen viewing.

Scott T.

> On Oct 13, 2013, at 15:09, "Rod Fee"  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
>  
> I have written a book, an experimental academic novel,  in Framemaker 
> 10.0.2.419 which has three frames per page and in each I use a slightly 
> different font and want to preserve that.
>  
> The three fonts I am using are:
>  
> Garamond Opentype
> Adobe Garamond Pro Opentype
> Bembo Truetype
>  
> On the screen these three fonts are clearly identifiable as different to one 
> another.
>  
> When I:
>  
> a.   save to pdf and view on the screen; or
> b.  print to my printer from the pdf; or
> c.   print to my printer from the native FM files
>  
> the difference in fonts becomes minimal to the extent that I cannot tell them 
> apart.
>  
> I am thinking that it is not a printer driver issue because of the pdf 
> experience.
>  
> My OS is Windows 8
> My Printer is a Brother HL-2270DW series b&w laser printer
>  
> Any hints/clues/advice/help would be appreciated.
>  
> If there is another alternative series of three fonts that are very close but 
> visibly subtly different anyone can suggest I would also appreciate such 
> advice.
>  
> The reason I am wanting to use different fonts is that in the final chapter 
> of the work, the fonts are nixed depending on which of the three layers of 
> narrative they  originate from and I want to make that clear to a discerning 
> reader without making it look too varied and ruin the reading flow.
>  
> Kind regards,
> Rod Fee
> Auckland, New Zealand
> rod...@xtra.co.nz
>  
>  
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ARRGH - why does the Import command still do this to me....?!?

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I've use Silicon Prairie product for some 15 years. They are cost effective, 
and not expensive. Those are two separate qualifiers. 

They work, they are effective, they are  simple.


> On Oct 12, 2013, at 12:15, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools is very helpful for purging
> paragraph tag cruft.
> 
> If you want to create a style that's only one attribute, first do a
> Shift-F8 to set everything to As Is.
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Re: ARRGH - why does the Import command still do this to me....?!?

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and not expensive. Those are two separate qualifiers. 

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> 
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> 
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Cross-reference to a string that retains the conditional text attributes (markings) of the linked-to string

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Don't over complicate it. Create a cross-ref definition that mimics the 
conditional text indication and format. 

> On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:16,  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
>  
> Working in unstructured FM10:
>  
> 1.
> I would like to link to a string that includes conditional text and have that 
> link show the conditional text attributes (e.g., color and 
> overline/underline, etc.) in the linked-to string.
>  
> Note: In my experience,  a cross-reference to a string that includes 
> conditional text does NOT show the conditional text attributes, so that the 
> cross-reference appears in normally formatted (e.g., black) text only (i.e., 
> with character attributes but not conditional text attributes). That is, the 
> conditional text attributes are removed.
>  
> Is there a way to do this?
>  
> 2.
> An alternate possibility might be to define a variable with conditional text 
> included in the variable; however, I have not been able to find a way to do 
> include conditional text WITHIN variable definitions.
>  
> Is there a way to do this?
>  
> 3.
> Another alternative, I suppose, might be to transfer table CELLS that contain 
> strings with conditional text; that is, to cross-reference the entire table 
> CELL; that is, to transfer the contents of the CELL automatically. (However, 
> I?m not sure that this would be any different than a regular cross-reference.)
>  
> Is there a way to link to table cells?
>  
> TIA for your help,
> Barry Meislin
>  
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Re: Cross-reference to a string that retains the conditional text attributes (markings) of the linked-to string

[Scott Turner]

Don't over complicate it. Create a cross-ref definition that mimics the 
conditional text indication and format. 

> On Oct 8, 2013, at 3:16,  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
>  
> Working in unstructured FM10:
>  
> 1.
> I would like to link to a string that includes conditional text and have that 
> link show the conditional text attributes (e.g., color and 
> overline/underline, etc.) in the linked-to string.
>  
> Note: In my experience,  a cross-reference to a string that includes 
> conditional text does NOT show the conditional text attributes, so that the 
> cross-reference appears in normally formatted (e.g., black) text only (i.e., 
> with character attributes but not conditional text attributes). That is, the 
> conditional text attributes are removed.
>  
> Is there a way to do this?
>  
> 2.
> An alternate possibility might be to define a variable with conditional text 
> included in the variable; however, I have not been able to find a way to do 
> include conditional text WITHIN variable definitions.
>  
> Is there a way to do this?
>  
> 3.
> Another alternative, I suppose, might be to transfer table CELLS that contain 
> strings with conditional text; that is, to cross-reference the entire table 
> CELL; that is, to transfer the contents of the CELL automatically. (However, 
> I’m not sure that this would be any different than a regular cross-reference.)
>  
> Is there a way to link to table cells?
>  
> TIA for your help,
> Barry Meislin
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

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I would simply use a competent text editor, like Oxygen XML editor. 

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:42, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which you 
> want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> XYZ
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> ABC
> 
> I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does 
> the following:
> 
> 1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
> 2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an Excel 
> spreadsheet. 
> 3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements 
> which need to replace the conref, for example:
> 
> cell A1 (find):  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_kqg_drd_f3"/>
> cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
> cell A2:  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_drf_tvd_f7"/>
> cell B2: ABC
> 
> 4. Apply this search/replace list to all topics in a given DITA map or folder.
> 
> Any takers?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Script to replace conrefs in DITA topics

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I would simply use a competent text editor, like Oxygen XML editor. 

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:42, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> 
> Hi group
> 
> Suppose you have a bunch of topics in a DITA map or in a folder in which you 
> want to replace specific conrefs with an element with text. For example:
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> XYZ
> 
> and 
> 
> 
> 
> needs to be replaced with:
> 
> ABC
> 
> I guess this can be automated with a Framescript or Extendscript which does 
> the following:
> 
> 1. Collect all the conrefs in a DITA map or a folder.
> 2. Present the conrefs in some kind of list, for example a column in an Excel 
> spreadsheet. 
> 3. In the second column, the user could then enter the text and elements 
> which need to replace the conref, for example:
> 
> cell A1 (find):  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_kqg_drd_f3"/>
> cell B1 (replace with): XYZ
> cell A2:  conref="!conref_library.dita#topic_2m1_vgk_3h/keyword_drf_tvd_f7"/>
> cell B2: ABC
> 
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FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

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Ooo, yes. If you use text insets, any xref inside that text inset will be 
reported as "broken" even though it is valid.

> On Sep 30, 2013, at 18:14, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Which source type are you using when you create the markers?
> 
> Are there any text insets involved?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM, VLM TechSubs
>  wrote:
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple xrefs to
>> other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is well. After
>> working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes with intervening
>> generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots of broken xrefs. I fix
>> them all, generate, and all is well. Several generates later, poof! A large
>> number of broken xrefs again.
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Re: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

[Scott Turner]

Ooo, yes. If you use text insets, any xref inside that text inset will be 
reported as "broken" even though it is valid.

> On Sep 30, 2013, at 18:14, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> 
> Which source type are you using when you create the markers?
> 
> Are there any text insets involved?
> 
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 3:40 PM, VLM TechSubs
>  wrote:
>> Greetings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple xrefs to
>> other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is well. After
>> working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes with intervening
>> generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots of broken xrefs. I fix
>> them all, generate, and all is well. Several generates later, poof! A large
>> number of broken xrefs again.
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FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

[Scott Turner]

I never used version 8. And every time my xrefs broke it was either the xref 
marker had been deleted during editing or the relative path had been changed. 

Scott T.

> On Sep 30, 2013, at 17:40, "VLM TechSubs"  VibrantLivingMinistries.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
>  
> I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple xrefs to 
> other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is well. After 
> working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes with intervening 
> generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots of broken xrefs. I fix 
> them all, generate, and all is well. Several generates later, poof! A large 
> number of broken xrefs again.
>  
> Has anyone else encountered something like this?
>  
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Re: FM 8: Xref markers keep breaking and re-breaking

[Scott Turner]

I never used version 8. And every time my xrefs broke it was either the xref 
marker had been deleted during editing or the relative path had been changed. 

Scott T.

> On Sep 30, 2013, at 17:40, "VLM TechSubs" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
>  
> I put xref markers in throughout a book. These markers are simple xrefs to 
> other chapters, nothing fancy. I generate the book, all is well. After 
> working for a while, I do another generate (sometimes with intervening 
> generates that were fine), and all of a sudden, lots of broken xrefs. I fix 
> them all, generate, and all is well. Several generates later, poof! A large 
> number of broken xrefs again.
>  
> Has anyone else encountered something like this?
>  
> Thanks,
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FrameMaker: Is any version URL-aware?

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Actually, it's the reverse process that Word uses. This way you can include a 
URI as plain text and not have the program assume you wanted a link. 

Unlike Microsoft, Adobe does not usually assume it knows what you want to do. 

Scott T.

> On Sep 29, 2013, at 22:26, "VLM TechSubs"  VibrantLivingMinistries.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rick. I will get into this tomorrow. 
>  
> Guess FrameMaker is a bit behind the curve when it comes to the Internet, eh? 
> And ? it will work, so that?s just grand!
>  
> Best,
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> From: Richard G. Combs [mailto:rgcombs at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:18 AM
> To: VLM TechSubs
> Cc: Framers
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker: Is any version URL-aware?
>  
> No automagical process. You need to manually apply the character tag and 
> insert the link using the Special > Hypertext command. In the Hypertext 
> dialog box, set Command to Go to URL, and in the text box below where 
> "message URL" appears, append the URL for the site you wish to link to.
> 
> HTH!
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM, VLM TechSubs  vibrantlivingministries.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
>  
> I work in FM 8. If I were to identify one feature that I wish for in this 
> software, it would be URL-awareness. Is any of the later FrameMaker versions 
> URL-aware? (By this, I mean that it recognizes http://, https://, mailto://, 
> www.abc.com, and the like, finds the beginning and end, and automagically 
> applies a specified character tag?or something similar to that.
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Re: FrameMaker: Is any version URL-aware?

[Scott Turner]

Actually, it's the reverse process that Word uses. This way you can include a 
URI as plain text and not have the program assume you wanted a link. 

Unlike Microsoft, Adobe does not usually assume it knows what you want to do. 

Scott T.

> On Sep 29, 2013, at 22:26, "VLM TechSubs" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Rick. I will get into this tomorrow. 
>  
> Guess FrameMaker is a bit behind the curve when it comes to the Internet, eh? 
> And … it will work, so that’s just grand!
>  
> Best,
> Elchanan
> From: Richard G. Combs [mailto:rgco...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 1:18 AM
> To: VLM TechSubs
> Cc: Framers
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker: Is any version URL-aware?
>  
> No automagical process. You need to manually apply the character tag and 
> insert the link using the Special > Hypertext command. In the Hypertext 
> dialog box, set Command to Go to URL, and in the text box below where 
> "message URL" appears, append the URL for the site you wish to link to.
> 
> HTH!
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM, VLM TechSubs 
>  wrote:
> Greetings,
>  
> I work in FM 8. If I were to identify one feature that I wish for in this 
> software, it would be URL-awareness. Is any of the later FrameMaker versions 
> URL-aware? (By this, I mean that it recognizes http://, https://, mailto://, 
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> applies a specified character tag—or something similar to that.
>  
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TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver

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A re installation or a partial one is indicated. I take it you don't have 
Acrobat? In that case you need to reinstall FM.

> On Sep 28, 2013, at 15:29, "VLM TechSubs"  VibrantLivingMinistries.org> wrote:
> 
> Aack! I?m at the end of this project, and I went to Save As PDF. Frame 8 (Win 
> 7 x64) reports that it cannot find the Adobe PDF printer driver. I know what 
> happened ? I had someone ?helping me?, and that person ?accidentally cleaned 
> it up?. Needless to say, that person is no longer helping me! :)
>  
> Meanwhile ? how can I get this driver back. Do I download a complete Frame 8 
> installation and install over the one I have? (I do have the S/N, of course.) 
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Re: TIME URGENT ... Missing Adobe PDF printer driver

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A re installation or a partial one is indicated. I take it you don't have 
Acrobat? In that case you need to reinstall FM.

> On Sep 28, 2013, at 15:29, "VLM TechSubs" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Aack! I’m at the end of this project, and I went to Save As PDF. Frame 8 (Win 
> 7 x64) reports that it cannot find the Adobe PDF printer driver. I know what 
> happened … I had someone “helping me”, and that person “accidentally cleaned 
> it up”. Needless to say, that person is no longer helping me! :)
>  
> Meanwhile … how can I get this driver back. Do I download a complete Frame 8 
> installation and install over the one I have? (I do have the S/N, of course.) 
> Or is there another, more direct solution?
>  
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OT: Font suggestions for book?

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I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free font that 
is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, so purchase should 
be considered.

The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a relatively low 
height to width ratio, making them very readable. If you opt for a free font, 
look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow, designed for newspaper columns.

On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs"  wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>  
> I?m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. 
> I?ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing 
> and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial ? it?s a 
> book about the history of taxation. It?s not a scholarly work at all, but 
> rather one designed to ?wake up? American teens and young adults to some of 
> the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for 
> explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. 
> The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.
>  
> All that having been said ? What are people?s favorite or recommended fonts 
> for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget 
> with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most 
> welcome.
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> Well, thanks in advance!
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Re: OT: Font suggestions for book?

[Scott Turner]

I have a fondness for Minion or Garamond. I think you can find a free font that 
is similar to these. However, the cost is relatively small, so purchase should 
be considered.

The advantage if Minion and Garamond is that they both have a relatively low 
height to width ratio, making them very readable. If you opt for a free font, 
look for that. Avoid Times, it's narrow, designed for newspaper columns.

On Aug 15, 2013, at 17:22, "VLM TechSubs" 
 wrote:

> Greetings everyone,
>  
> I’m working in FM 8, Win 7 x64 on a book that will be published this Fall. 
> I’ve now been asked to do the book design, in addition to most of the writing 
> and basic template design. The subject matter is primarily financial … it’s a 
> book about the history of taxation. It’s not a scholarly work at all, but 
> rather one designed to “wake up” American teens and young adults to some of 
> the issues involved. Footnotes are used here and there, but more for 
> explanation of background/details than in a traditional sense as references. 
> The book will be published in a standard 6x9 format, paperback.
>  
> All that having been said … What are people’s favorite or recommended fonts 
> for such a project. And since this is being published on a shoestring budget 
> with a nonprofit/educational bent, suggestions of free fonts would be most 
> welcome.
>  
> Well, thanks in advance!
>  
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Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

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We operate from network server drive, and have experienced the very same 
problems while using Win 7 FM 11. 

It isn't really a problem with FM, it's a server problem involving latency on 
the server.

If you look at the resulting files after a crash you may see son with stable, 
apparently random extensions. These are the open temporary files that FM 
creates  while working in an open file.

The crash occurs when the serve cannot keep up withe file writes. 

Thank both Microsoft and your IT Department. Your infrastructure cannot keep up 
with your companies demand.



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> Framemaker can take quite a while to do some things, so it's important to 
> know the difference between a crash and a "FrameMaker is not responding" 
> message. The latter means "Wait until I complete this task." The former is 
> accompanied by a crash message and exiting from FrameMaker. Very seldom do I 
> see crashes that don't have the crash window message (which contains the 
> opportunity of send the logs to Adobe for analysis to improve the product).
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Re: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

[Scott Turner]

We operate from network server drive, and have experienced the very same 
problems while using Win 7 FM 11. 

It isn't really a problem with FM, it's a server problem involving latency on 
the server.

If you look at the resulting files after a crash you may see son with stable, 
apparently random extensions. These are the open temporary files that FM 
creates  while working in an open file.

The crash occurs when the serve cannot keep up withe file writes. 

Thank both Microsoft and your IT Department. Your infrastructure cannot keep up 
with your companies demand.



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> Framemaker can take quite a while to do some things, so it's important to 
> know the difference between a crash and a "FrameMaker is not responding" 
> message. The latter means "Wait until I complete this task." The former is 
> accompanied by a crash message and exiting from FrameMaker. Very seldom do I 
> see crashes that don't have the crash window message (which contains the 
> opportunity of send the logs to Adobe for analysis to improve the product).
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importing HTML into FrameMaker?

[Scott Turner]

The real question may be is there a method in FM, or a tool that will convert 
tags from one to another. I envision a mapping tool like when you convert an 
unstructured into  a structured document.

On May 4, 2013, at 3:54, Yves Barbion  wrote:

> Hi Robert
> 
> I don't know which version of FrameMaker you are using, but Fm 11 has Smart 
> Paste:
> 
> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/new-in-framemaker11-xml-authoring-features/framemaker-11-smart-paste-unstruct-content-into-xml/
> 
> If you are using DITA-FMx, you need to install this "structapps stub" first:
> 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-fmx-users/files/
> 
> I've just tested this with some content which I copied from our Confluence 
> wiki and the results are not perfect but pretty good:
> The DITA topic is valid right away (no cleanup of the structure required).
> Subheadings in a wiki topic become section titles in a (generic) DITA topic.
> A ul/li in the wiki topic is still a ul/li in the DITA topic.
> Numbered steps in the wiki topic become ul/li in the DITA topic
> Typographic elements (b, i, ...) are OK too
> Graphics didn't work, but that's obvious. Tables were converted to tables, 
> but the heading row was gone.
> Also, I used a generic DITA topic. Copying a task description from a wiki and 
> pasting the numbered steps into a task topic doesn't work, because the 
> structure a task topic has a very specific structure. I guess this could be 
> fixed with a "topic-to-task-topic" transformation, using a Framescript or 
> using FrameSLT).
> 
> Even if you don't write DITA-structured content, I think you could still use 
> DITA as an intermediate step:
> Create a new generic DITA topic
> Copy the body section if your wiki.
> Put your cursor in the body element of the DITA topic and choose Edit > Smart 
> Paste.
> Choose Special > Remove Structure from Flow to create an unstructured Fm file.
> With Framescript or the Paragraph Tools plugin, you can then remap the 
> paragraph formats, for example change all [title.1] formats to Heading2.
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: importing HTML into FrameMaker?

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The real question may be is there a method in FM, or a tool that will convert 
tags from one to another. I envision a mapping tool like when you convert an 
unstructured into  a structured document.

On May 4, 2013, at 3:54, Yves Barbion  wrote:

> Hi Robert
> 
> I don't know which version of FrameMaker you are using, but Fm 11 has Smart 
> Paste:
> 
> http://tv.adobe.com/watch/new-in-framemaker11-xml-authoring-features/framemaker-11-smart-paste-unstruct-content-into-xml/
> 
> If you are using DITA-FMx, you need to install this "structapps stub" first:
> 
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/dita-fmx-users/files/
> 
> I've just tested this with some content which I copied from our Confluence 
> wiki and the results are not perfect but pretty good:
> The DITA topic is valid right away (no cleanup of the structure required).
> Subheadings in a wiki topic become section titles in a (generic) DITA topic.
> A ul/li in the wiki topic is still a ul/li in the DITA topic.
> Numbered steps in the wiki topic become ul/li in the DITA topic
> Typographic elements (b, i, ...) are OK too
> Graphics didn't work, but that's obvious. Tables were converted to tables, 
> but the heading row was gone.
> Also, I used a generic DITA topic. Copying a task description from a wiki and 
> pasting the numbered steps into a task topic doesn't work, because the 
> structure a task topic has a very specific structure. I guess this could be 
> fixed with a "topic-to-task-topic" transformation, using a Framescript or 
> using FrameSLT).
> 
> Even if you don't write DITA-structured content, I think you could still use 
> DITA as an intermediate step:
> Create a new generic DITA topic
> Copy the body section if your wiki.
> Put your cursor in the body element of the DITA topic and choose Edit > Smart 
> Paste.
> Choose Special > Remove Structure from Flow to create an unstructured Fm file.
> With Framescript or the Paragraph Tools plugin, you can then remap the 
> paragraph formats, for example change all [title.1] formats to Heading2.
> Cheers
> 
> 
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> 
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Frame > Word > Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

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There is no clean or easy workflow. You are doing and have the best of 
recommendations.

One wonders if they would use the same process of amateurish meddling with with 
brain surgery?

On Jan 29, 2013, at 17:47, Craig Ede  wrote:

> One important step is to remember is that if you are opening word docs in FM, 
> you should save them to MIF and then reopen the MIF. This cleans out a lot of 
> crap to begin with.
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Re: Frame > Word > Frame -- is there a way to do this w/o going nuts?

[Scott Turner]

There is no clean or easy workflow. You are doing and have the best of 
recommendations.

One wonders if they would use the same process of amateurish meddling with with 
brain surgery?

On Jan 29, 2013, at 17:47, Craig Ede  wrote:

> One important step is to remember is that if you are opening word docs in FM, 
> you should save them to MIF and then reopen the MIF. This cleans out a lot of 
> crap to begin with.
>  
> I don't envy you on this on.
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Frame vs Word - the decision

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I for one think that my time is more valuable when I am writing, rather than 
reformatting or performing work arounds that Word requires. 

But then most of management under values what other people do.

On Sep 23, 2012, at 12:00, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> Since FrameMaker has raised their prices of upgrades (for two versions back), 
> I tend to agree with them that it is a very costly tool. The best 
> justification would be single sourcing if you use it frequently. If you don't 
> them maybe it isn't worth the price. (Please take the hint Adobe.)
> 
> Regards,
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> 
> On 20-Sep-12 10:48 AM, laura at lavadome.net wrote:
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>> 
>> You may remember a while back I asked for help regarding arguments I could 
>> use to persuade my company to use Framemaker for its docs.
>> 
>> I'm sorry to report I have lost the argument.
>> 
>> "Even though the quality of Word may have minor disadvantages, the cost and 
>> consequence of shifting to Framemaker is not justified. Unless there is a 
>> fantastically good reason I am missing(?) then the choice is obvious. Please 
>> stick to Word henceforth and get no more production done in Framemaker."
>> 
>> Yours, despondently.
>> 
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Re: Frame vs Word - the decision

[Scott Turner]

I for one think that my time is more valuable when I am writing, rather than 
reformatting or performing work arounds that Word requires. 

But then most of management under values what other people do.

On Sep 23, 2012, at 12:00, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:

> Since FrameMaker has raised their prices of upgrades (for two versions back), 
> I tend to agree with them that it is a very costly tool. The best 
> justification would be single sourcing if you use it frequently. If you don't 
> them maybe it isn't worth the price. (Please take the hint Adobe.)
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> 052-763-7133
> 
> On 20-Sep-12 10:48 AM, la...@lavadome.net wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> You may remember a while back I asked for help regarding arguments I could 
>> use to persuade my company to use Framemaker for its docs.
>> 
>> I'm sorry to report I have lost the argument.
>> 
>> "Even though the quality of Word may have minor disadvantages, the cost and 
>> consequence of shifting to Framemaker is not justified. Unless there is a 
>> fantastically good reason I am missing(?) then the choice is obvious. Please 
>> stick to Word henceforth and get no more production done in Framemaker."
>> 
>> Yours, despondently.
>> 
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Adobe Community Forums and Obtuse website

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After not going to the Adobe website for several years, simply because I didn't 
need any support, I visited it today.

Is it simply me in my old age or has Adobe gone one better than Microsoft in 
making their corporate website TOTALLY unusable? I could not find any sign of 
the community forums, nor could I easily find a link to the support area.

Dov, are you reading this?

I'm a long-time customer an Adobe has basically told me today that I am not 
important to them. I refuse to buy Microsoft products because of that attitude. 
Is Adobe set in making my experience with them the same as with Microsoft? 

Tell your masters that programmers and marketing should NOT be allowed to 
design interfaces, nor do they have an clue about how to satisfy customers.

I am incensed, frustrated, and extremely angry that I can't find the 
Information that I need through their now non-existent support channel.

Scott

Adobe Community Forums and Obtuse website

[Scott Turner]

After not going to the Adobe website for several years, simply because I didn't 
need any support, I visited it today.

Is it simply me in my old age or has Adobe gone one better than Microsoft in 
making their corporate website TOTALLY unusable? I could not find any sign of 
the community forums, nor could I easily find a link to the support area.

Dov, are you reading this?

I'm a long-time customer an Adobe has basically told me today that I am not 
important to them. I refuse to buy Microsoft products because of that attitude. 
Is Adobe set in making my experience with them the same as with Microsoft? 

Tell your masters that programmers and marketing should NOT be allowed to 
design interfaces, nor do they have an clue about how to satisfy customers.

I am incensed, frustrated, and extremely angry that I can't find the 
Information that I need through their now non-existent support channel.

Scott
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Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

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Using Acrobat 8 and greater, you may enable a PDF For commenting. The person 
doing the commenting should have Acrobat Reader 8 or greater. 

On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:01 PM, "Rick Quatro"  wrote:

> Hi Fei Min,
>  
> As far as I can tell there is no way to automate this unless you have one of 
> Adobe's expensive Live Cycle server products.
>  
> Rick
>  
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> 585-659-8267
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> http://www.frameexpert.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:55 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
>  
> FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers 
> 5.0.
>  
> We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard 
> against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the 
> ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the 
> option for Changes Allowed: ?Commenting, filling in form fields, and 
> signing?. I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on 
> the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.
>  
> I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the files 
> unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable commenting 
> using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before the PDF is 
> generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able to configure 
> the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after it?s been 
> generated.
>  
> If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and 
> Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We?re supposed to upgrade this year.
>  
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Re: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings

[Scott Turner]

Using Acrobat 8 and greater, you may enable a PDF For commenting. The person 
doing the commenting should have Acrobat Reader 8 or greater. 

On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:01 PM, "Rick Quatro"  wrote:

> Hi Fei Min,
>  
> As far as I can tell there is no way to automate this unless you have one of 
> Adobe's expensive Live Cycle server products.
>  
> Rick
>  
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-659-8267
> r...@frameexpert.com
> http://www.frameexpert.com
>  
>  
>  
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fei Min Lorente
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 7:55 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Enabling a PDF for comments from FrameMaker Settings
>  
> FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP, Adobe Acrobat 6 Professional, and TimeSavers 
> 5.0.
>  
> We normally password-protect our PDFs produced from FrameMaker to guard 
> against accidental or deliberate changes, but we had a customer request the 
> ability to annotate the PDF file. Under Adobe PDF Security, I found the 
> option for Changes Allowed: “Commenting, filling in form fields, and 
> signing”. I thought everything was all right because I could then comment on 
> the resultant PDFs, but I was using Acrobat.
>  
> I then found out that people who are using Reader cannot comment on the files 
> unless I enable commenting in Acrobat. Is there a way to enable commenting 
> using any of the above tools that I told you that I have, before the PDF is 
> generated? We have an automated output system, so I must be able to configure 
> the settings in one of them without opening the PDF file after it’s been 
> generated.
>  
> If the answer is no, then will I have any better luck with FrameMaker 10 and 
> Adobe Acrobat X on Windows 7? We’re supposed to upgrade this year.
>  
> Fei Min
>  
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icons on new Macs

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Can't without an pperable copy of Frame. If you are running Frame in boot camp 
or a virtualization program then the icons might appear, otherwise you need to 
assign a system icon to the files. Candy Bar might work. It would require a 
little graphic work though.

http://panic.com/candybar/

Scott

On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Graeme R Forbes  
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> Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on the 
> desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow Leopard I 
> see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear correctly, but all 
> I get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.
> 
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Re: icons on new Macs

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Can't without an pperable copy of Frame. If you are running Frame in boot camp 
or a virtualization program then the icons might appear, otherwise you need to 
assign a system icon to the files. Candy Bar might work. It would require a 
little graphic work though.

http://panic.com/candybar/

Scott

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> Does anyone know how to get FM7 (and earlier) document icons to appear on the 
> desktop on Macs without Classic? On my new intel iMac running Snow Leopard I 
> see that the icons for some OS9 apps like PageMill appear correctly, but all 
> I get for FrameMaker docs is an ugly generic icon.
> 
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Frame 10 XML/translation question

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Nadine is correct I saying that the transition to XML would be massive, in that 
you would need to learn XML, create or standardize/accommodate your document 
styles to a DTD like DocBook. And then create a transformation template to 
convert your current documents to XML.

It's not impossible, I've done it in two companies.

You do not have to use DITA 

In all it's a big job and the setup and education would take a significant 
amount of time and effort.

It's not something to do without time to do it.

On Dec 3, 2011, at 20:31, Writer  wrote:

> Wow. Big question. But here's a nutshell kind of answer...
> 
> Yes, you can author in XML in FM 10. DITA XML in particular. You can create 
> PDFs from DITA XML files by saving your ditamaps or bookmaps to FM files, and 
> then create a PDF. Or you can create a PDF from your ditamap if you've been 
> able to format everything as required in your EDD.
> 
> Alternatively, you can use other tools to create PDFs such as DITA Open 
> Toolkit (aka DITA OT) or WebWorks ePublisher. Here's an article from 
> Scriptorium, which is a bit old now...tools have advanced since it was 
> written, but it will give you an idea of some of the challenges you face 
> creating PDFs from DITA XML: 
> http://www.scriptorium.com/whitepapers/dita2pdf/index.html
> 
> The major issues are that you would have to convert your unstructured FM 
> files to XML. If you create other outputs besides PDFs, you'll need to figure 
> out the best way to do that. Etc...quite a large undertaking.
> 
> A simpler solution would be to find a different translation company that CAN 
> handle your unstructured FM files.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> From: Michael Norton 
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com 
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:47:26 AM
> Subject: Frame 10 XML/translation question
> 
> Our company will be translating some manuals from English to Japanese. The 
> translation service only accepts HTML and XML input and outputs the result in 
> those same formats. I am currently using Frame 7.2. I understand Frame 10.0 
> works in XML.
>  
> I realize you can?t give me an absolute answer, but how easy would it be to 
> pull the translated output (in XML format) back into Frame for publishing as 
> PDFs?
>  
> Are there any major issues with taking this approach?
>  
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Re: Frame 10 XML/translation question

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Nadine is correct I saying that the transition to XML would be massive, in that 
you would need to learn XML, create or standardize/accommodate your document 
styles to a DTD like DocBook. And then create a transformation template to 
convert your current documents to XML.

It's not impossible, I've done it in two companies.

You do not have to use DITA 

In all it's a big job and the setup and education would take a significant 
amount of time and effort.

It's not something to do without time to do it.

On Dec 3, 2011, at 20:31, Writer  wrote:
 
> Wow. Big question. But here's a nutshell kind of answer...
> 
> Yes, you can author in XML in FM 10. DITA XML in particular. You can create 
> PDFs from DITA XML files by saving your ditamaps or bookmaps to FM files, and 
> then create a PDF. Or you can create a PDF from your ditamap if you've been 
> able to format everything as required in your EDD.
> 
> Alternatively, you can use other tools to create PDFs such as DITA Open 
> Toolkit (aka DITA OT) or WebWorks ePublisher. Here's an article from 
> Scriptorium, which is a bit old now...tools have advanced since it was 
> written, but it will give you an idea of some of the challenges you face 
> creating PDFs from DITA XML: 
> http://www.scriptorium.com/whitepapers/dita2pdf/index.html
> 
> The major issues are that you would have to convert your unstructured FM 
> files to XML. If you create other outputs besides PDFs, you'll need to figure 
> out the best way to do that. Etc...quite a large undertaking.
> 
> A simpler solution would be to find a different translation company that CAN 
> handle your unstructured FM files.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> From: Michael Norton 
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 10:47:26 AM
> Subject: Frame 10 XML/translation question
> 
> Our company will be translating some manuals from English to Japanese. The 
> translation service only accepts HTML and XML input and outputs the result in 
> those same formats. I am currently using Frame 7.2. I understand Frame 10.0 
> works in XML.
>  
> I realize you can’t give me an absolute answer, but how easy would it be to 
> pull the translated output (in XML format) back into Frame for publishing as 
> PDFs?
>  
> Are there any major issues with taking this approach?
>  
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Pdf settings

[Scott Turner]

There is also a third party program from Microtype, called timesavers. It is 
specifically oriented at producing these types of settings during PDF creation.

Scott

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:04, "Rick Quatro"  wrote:

> Hi Mathieu,
> 
>  
> 
> The Settings tab on the PDF Setup dialog box allows you to set open options 
> for the PDF created from FrameMaker. Security settings can be quickly set for 
> a single PDF for multiple PDFs in Acrobat by using an Action sequence. What 
> version of Acrobat are you using?
> 
>  
> 
> Rick
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> 585-659-8267
> 
> rick at frameexpert.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:21 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Pdf settings
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.
> 
> After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
> view at opening (page layout, zoom, etc.), security parameters, etc.
> 
> Is there any way to have those parameters already set in a .ini or any other 
> file, to avoid the task of setting them after pdf generation?
> 
> Thank you very much in anticipation,
> 
> Mathieu.
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Re: Pdf settings

[Scott Turner]

There is also a third party program from Microtype, called timesavers. It is 
specifically oriented at producing these types of settings during PDF creation.

Scott

On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:04, "Rick Quatro"  wrote:

> Hi Mathieu,
> 
>  
> 
> The Settings tab on the PDF Setup dialog box allows you to set open options 
> for the PDF created from FrameMaker. Security settings can be quickly set for 
> a single PDF for multiple PDFs in Acrobat by using an Action sequence. What 
> version of Acrobat are you using?
> 
>  
> 
> Rick
> 
>  
> 
> Rick Quatro
> 
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 
> 585-659-8267
> 
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:21 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Pdf settings
> 
>  
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using FM 9 on Vista 7 64.
> 
> After I generate a PDF, I always set a number of parameters such as initial 
> view at opening (page layout, zoom, etc.), security parameters, etc.
> 
> Is there any way to have those parameters already set in a .ini or any other 
> file, to avoid the task of setting them after pdf generation?
> 
> Thank you very much in anticipation,
> 
> Mathieu.
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Crossover and Framemaker

[Scott Turner]

It can be done. I'd recommend using vmware fusion as that allows using a more 
up to date windows OS.

Scott

On May 19, 2011, at 16:04, Chantel Brathwaite  
wrote:

> Good afternoon,
> 
> My office is considering moving to Framemaker.  However, a number of people 
> are using the Crossover to run windows programs.  Is anyone running 
> Framemaker 9 or 10 using this program?  If so, what are your experiences?  
> Appreciate your help!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: Crossover and Framemaker

[Scott Turner]

It can be done. I'd recommend using vmware fusion as that allows using a more 
up to date windows OS.

Scott

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> Good afternoon,
> 
> My office is considering moving to Framemaker.  However, a number of people 
> are using the Crossover to run windows programs.  Is anyone running 
> Framemaker 9 or 10 using this program?  If so, what are your experiences?  
> Appreciate your help!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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> Technical Writer
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Structured Frame Reference Guides

[Scott Turner]

Fei Min is correct. I've found that the Structure Development Guide that is in 
the Online Manuals folder in FrameMaker 7 is invaluable. 

Paragraph styles will always have a paragraph break in them. Text range (which 
will translate to a Character style) doesn't require a para break.

Scott

On May 11, 2011, at 8:25, "Fei Min Lorente"  
wrote:

> Hi Tim:
> 
>  
> 
> I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to 
> have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element?
> 
>  
> 
> As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember 
> that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured 
> FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don?t remember the reason. 
> Maybe someone else can help me out here.
> 
>  
> 
> I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, 
> you?ll be fine.
> 
>  
> 
> Fei Min Lorente
> 
>  
> 
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim (Contractor)
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM
> To: Framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides
> 
>  
> 
> I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about 
> structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8.
> 
> Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book 
> somewhere that I can purchase?
> 
> Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe 
> help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. 
> Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way 
> to "turn that off" from within the EDD.
> 
> Any help with either question would be much appreciated.
> 
> Tim
> 
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Re: Structured Frame Reference Guides

[Scott Turner]

Fei Min is correct. I've found that the Structure Development Guide that is in 
the Online Manuals folder in FrameMaker 7 is invaluable. 

Paragraph styles will always have a paragraph break in them. Text range (which 
will translate to a Character style) doesn't require a para break.

Scott

On May 11, 2011, at 8:25, "Fei Min Lorente"  wrote:

> Hi Tim:
> 
>  
> 
> I think that using a paragraph element inherently determines that you have to 
> have a paragraph break. Perhaps you really want a text range element?
> 
>  
> 
> As for FrameMaker 8 reference guides for structured FrameMaker, I remember 
> that Scriptorium explained why they published a guide to unstructured 
> FrameMaker 8, but not a structured one. However, I don’t remember the reason. 
> Maybe someone else can help me out here.
> 
>  
> 
> I suspect that if you find a third-party guide to structured FrameMaker 7, 
> you’ll be fine.
> 
>  
> 
> Fei Min Lorente
> 
>  
> 
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bjokne, Tim 
> (Contractor)
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 11:33 AM
> To: Framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Structured Frame Reference Guides
> 
>  
> 
> I can't find any third party Frame 8 reference guides that talk about 
> structured Framemaker. I see plenty of versions 7 and 9, but no 8.
> 
> Am I one of the few people using that version of Frame? Is there a book 
> somewhere that I can purchase?
> 
> Specifically, I am setting up an EDD file and I can't decipher via the Adobe 
> help files how to create an element that does not insert a paragraph break. 
> Paragraph formats all have paragraph breaks after them, and I don't see a way 
> to "turn that off" from within the EDD.
> 
> Any help with either question would be much appreciated.
> 
> Tim
> 
> _
> 
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> Senior Technical Editor/Writer  Polar Services 
> Tech Comm Group 7400 S Tucson Way 
> Direct: 720.568.2036Centennial, CO 80112 
> Toll-Free: 800.866.8606 x32036  Main Line: 303.790.8606 
> Fax: 303.792.9006   USAP Web Portal: www.usap.gov 
> 
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Training and Tools for DITA

[Scott Turner]

FM has the ability to structure unstructured documents. See tha appendix in the 
fm 9 manual. 

Assuming that the formatting in the  fm 9 documents followed a consistent style 
the transformation won't be horrible. The real work comes in building the EDD.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 10:56, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a colleague who may want to make the jump into DITA. I am old school 
> with unstructured FrameMaker but I know there's plenty out there but I'd like 
> to get recommendations from you all. I am looking for FrameMaker plugins for 
> 1) converting unstructured framemaker 9 files into DITA  and 2) that help 
> with DITA authoring in general, though I believe FrameMaker's out of the box 
> capabilities are pretty decent. Also, are there some good DITA tutorials out 
> there? Cost is an issue for my colleague so closer to free would be 
> preferable :).
> 
> Sincerely,
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Re: Training and Tools for DITA

[Scott Turner]

FM has the ability to structure unstructured documents. See tha appendix in the 
fm 9 manual. 

Assuming that the formatting in the  fm 9 documents followed a consistent style 
the transformation won't be horrible. The real work comes in building the EDD.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 10:56, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a colleague who may want to make the jump into DITA. I am old school 
> with unstructured FrameMaker but I know there's plenty out there but I'd like 
> to get recommendations from you all. I am looking for FrameMaker plugins for 
> 1) converting unstructured framemaker 9 files into DITA  and 2) that help 
> with DITA authoring in general, though I believe FrameMaker's out of the box 
> capabilities are pretty decent. Also, are there some good DITA tutorials out 
> there? Cost is an issue for my colleague so closer to free would be 
> preferable :).
> 
> Sincerely,
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Relative Path for Images Changed to Absolute

[Scott Turner]

You can do this in a MIF file, and if you have a text editor that will do a 
grep search with patterns, you can replace the absolute link pathname with a 
relative link.

On Mar 31, 2011, at 16:15, Alison Craig  wrote:

> FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
> 
> Unstructured
> 
> OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (brand new machine)
> 
>  
> 
> After several problems, I've finally received a set of newly translated 
> Simplified Chinese files back from the (new to me) LSP. Due to budgetary 
> consideration, I always perform final DTP on the book before I publish to PDF.
> 
>  
> 
> My problem is that every single image (all imported by reference) has had the 
> relative path changed to an absolute path and I have to re-link every one of 
> them when I open each file (some files have hundreds of images as I use icons 
> in instructions to match the proprietary console on our ultrasound machines).
> 
>  
> 
> In a perfect world I would return this to the LSP and have them fix it, but 
> these manuals are already behind schedule. I have searched the last 2 years 
> of list posting and cannot find the specific answer I am looking for.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there someplace I can change the absolute path back to the relative path? 
> Even if I have to make the change once for every file in the book that would 
> still only be 5 minutes work instead of hours and hours of work.
> 
>  
> 
> FYI: I will be working with the LSP to ensure this problem doesn?t happen 
> again.
> 
>  
> 
> Alison
> 
>  
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> 
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> 
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> 
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Re: Relative Path for Images Changed to Absolute

[Scott Turner]

You can do this in a MIF file, and if you have a text editor that will do a 
grep search with patterns, you can replace the absolute link pathname with a 
relative link.

On Mar 31, 2011, at 16:15, Alison Craig  wrote:

> FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
> 
> Unstructured
> 
> OS: Windows 7, 64 bit (brand new machine)
> 
>  
> 
> After several problems, I've finally received a set of newly translated 
> Simplified Chinese files back from the (new to me) LSP. Due to budgetary 
> consideration, I always perform final DTP on the book before I publish to PDF.
> 
>  
> 
> My problem is that every single image (all imported by reference) has had the 
> relative path changed to an absolute path and I have to re-link every one of 
> them when I open each file (some files have hundreds of images as I use icons 
> in instructions to match the proprietary console on our ultrasound machines).
> 
>  
> 
> In a perfect world I would return this to the LSP and have them fix it, but 
> these manuals are already behind schedule. I have searched the last 2 years 
> of list posting and cannot find the specific answer I am looking for.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there someplace I can change the absolute path back to the relative path? 
> Even if I have to make the change once for every file in the book that would 
> still only be 5 minutes work instead of hours and hours of work.
> 
>  
> 
> FYI: I will be working with the LSP to ensure this problem doesn’t happen 
> again.
> 
>  
> 
> Alison
> 
>  
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> 
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> 
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> 
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Extracting art from Word docs

[Scott Turner]

It's very simple. When saving, select Save As... And select .html.

Scott

On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:01, Thomas Scalise  
wrote:

> Esteemed colleagues,
> 
>  
> 
> A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word 
> (docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate 
> folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are 
> converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would 
> very much like to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tom Scalise
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Re: Extracting art from Word docs

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It's very simple. When saving, select Save As... And select .html.

Scott

On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:01, Thomas Scalise  wrote:

> Esteemed colleagues,
> 
>  
> 
> A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word 
> (docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate 
> folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are 
> converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would 
> very much like to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tom Scalise
> Information Development Manager
> Office (561) 622-5416
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> thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

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There is a third point, which is just as viable: "What makes you think that 
Adobe gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"

Scott

On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:44, Steve Rickaby  
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> At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
>> It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>> that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?
> 
> Two answers...
> 
> . First point: I was joking.
> 
> . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own 
> documentation, about which, as you know, they take considerable care over 
> style and presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the 
> Apple board are showing signs of starting to think about new directions now 
> that the i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to 
> play with.
> 
> But basically I was just daydreaming: spring brings that on ;-)
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

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There is a third point, which is just as viable: "What makes you think that 
Adobe gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"

Scott

On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:44, Steve Rickaby  
wrote:

> At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
>> It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>> that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?
> 
> Two answers...
> 
> . First point: I was joking.
> 
> . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own 
> documentation, about which, as you know, they take considerable care over 
> style and presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the 
> Apple board are showing signs of starting to think about new directions now 
> that the i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to 
> play with.
> 
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Re: eBooks, EPUB, using FrameMaker

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In addition to my previous reply, here is a link that will explain the format 
in detail.  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB?wasRedirected=true

On Dec 8, 2010, at 13:20, ri...@inficon.com wrote:

> The CEO of my company has asked that I look into eBooks and the EPUB 
> standard. He sent me the link:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/crossmedia_resources/ebooks_software.html
> 
> I know nothing about this, so I'm on a real learning curve here. The first 
> thing I notice is that Adobe is pushing InDesign as the vehicle to create 
> eBooks. This is a real stumbling block for me. We've got over 15 years 
> invested in FrameMaker and all our docs are created and maintained in 
> FrameMaker. My "books" are delivered as PDFs.  I am loathe to shift from 
> FrameMaker to InDesign given our extensive history with FrameMaker. 
> 
> My question is, can I create eBooks and EPUB documents from FrameMaker, or 
> am I truly locked in to InDesign for the eBooks and EPUB standard? If I 
> can use FrameMaker, where would I find information about using FrameMaker 
> to create eBooks and EPUB documents?
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
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Re: eBooks, EPUB, using FrameMaker

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It would appear that EPUB standard involves an XML standard, in which case you 
could very well use FrameMaker in Structured mode.


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> The CEO of my company has asked that I look into eBooks and the EPUB 
> standard. He sent me the link:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/crossmedia_resources/ebooks_software.html
> 
> I know nothing about this, so I'm on a real learning curve here. The first 
> thing I notice is that Adobe is pushing InDesign as the vehicle to create 
> eBooks. This is a real stumbling block for me. We've got over 15 years 
> invested in FrameMaker and all our docs are created and maintained in 
> FrameMaker. My "books" are delivered as PDFs.  I am loathe to shift from 
> FrameMaker to InDesign given our extensive history with FrameMaker. 
> 
> My question is, can I create eBooks and EPUB documents from FrameMaker, or 
> am I truly locked in to InDesign for the eBooks and EPUB standard? If I 
> can use FrameMaker, where would I find information about using FrameMaker 
> to create eBooks and EPUB documents?
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
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eBooks, EPUB, using FrameMaker

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In addition to my previous reply, here is a link that will explain the format 
in detail.  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB?wasRedirected=true

On Dec 8, 2010, at 13:20, rinch at Inficon.com wrote:

> The CEO of my company has asked that I look into eBooks and the EPUB 
> standard. He sent me the link:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/crossmedia_resources/ebooks_software.html
> 
> I know nothing about this, so I'm on a real learning curve here. The first 
> thing I notice is that Adobe is pushing InDesign as the vehicle to create 
> eBooks. This is a real stumbling block for me. We've got over 15 years 
> invested in FrameMaker and all our docs are created and maintained in 
> FrameMaker. My "books" are delivered as PDFs.  I am loathe to shift from 
> FrameMaker to InDesign given our extensive history with FrameMaker. 
> 
> My question is, can I create eBooks and EPUB documents from FrameMaker, or 
> am I truly locked in to InDesign for the eBooks and EPUB standard? If I 
> can use FrameMaker, where would I find information about using FrameMaker 
> to create eBooks and EPUB documents?
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
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eBooks, EPUB, using FrameMaker

[Scott Turner]

It would appear that EPUB standard involves an XML standard, in which case you 
could very well use FrameMaker in Structured mode.


On Dec 8, 2010, at 13:20, rinch at Inficon.com wrote:

> The CEO of my company has asked that I look into eBooks and the EPUB 
> standard. He sent me the link:
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/products/creativesuite/design/crossmedia_resources/ebooks_software.html
> 
> I know nothing about this, so I'm on a real learning curve here. The first 
> thing I notice is that Adobe is pushing InDesign as the vehicle to create 
> eBooks. This is a real stumbling block for me. We've got over 15 years 
> invested in FrameMaker and all our docs are created and maintained in 
> FrameMaker. My "books" are delivered as PDFs.  I am loathe to shift from 
> FrameMaker to InDesign given our extensive history with FrameMaker. 
> 
> My question is, can I create eBooks and EPUB documents from FrameMaker, or 
> am I truly locked in to InDesign for the eBooks and EPUB standard? If I 
> can use FrameMaker, where would I find information about using FrameMaker 
> to create eBooks and EPUB documents?
> 
> Thanks!
> Richard
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Open Framemaker-Mac-Files on Windows

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The simplistic solution is to purchase the same fonts for windows and migrate 
to FM 9. You can keep your Macs and use Parallels or VMWare Fusion.

On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31, "boenat at gedok.com"  wrote:

> Hi, there,
> 
> we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the 
> mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the 
> mac... :-(
> 
> But now our clients are drivin' us to move more and more projects to Frame 8 
> and 9 on Windows. Now we have the problem, that all the old manuals in greek, 
> eastern europe, turkish and cyrillic fonts are using the mac coding (Frame 7 
> was not able to use Unicode).
> 
> How can we open them on Windows and get there the right coding?
> 
> I've searched the Internet and the Frame-Forum but could not find anything 
> helpful. And the Adobe Help Forum is a little like the Help Function in 
> Microsoft programs: you never gets anything related to your question...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Andr?
> 
> -- 
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en,
> 
> Andr? B?nat
> 
> 
> 

Frame on the Mac

[Scott Turner]

VMWare Fusion, it's a workstation. There are no equivalents in VMWare on the 
Mac for servers or players.

On Jul 24, 2010, at 8:53, Steve Johnson  wrote:

> VMWare ... what? Player? Workstation? Server, etc?
> 
>> 

Re: Open Framemaker-Mac-Files on Windows

[Scott Turner]

The simplistic solution is to purchase the same fonts for windows and migrate 
to FM 9. You can keep your Macs and use Parallels or VMWare Fusion.

On Jul 23, 2010, at 9:31, "boe...@gedok.com"  wrote:

> Hi, there,
> 
> we here were working as long as possible with our old Framemaker 7 on the 
> mac. Adobe got us on the wrong foot with discontinuing Framemaker on the 
> mac... :-(
> 
> But now our clients are drivin' us to move more and more projects to Frame 8 
> and 9 on Windows. Now we have the problem, that all the old manuals in greek, 
> eastern europe, turkish and cyrillic fonts are using the mac coding (Frame 7 
> was not able to use Unicode).
> 
> How can we open them on Windows and get there the right coding?
> 
> I've searched the Internet and the Frame-Forum but could not find anything 
> helpful. And the Adobe Help Forum is a little like the Help Function in 
> Microsoft programs: you never gets anything related to your question...
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> André
> 
> -- 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> 
> André Bönat
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Frame on the Mac

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VMWare Fusion, it's a workstation. There are no equivalents in VMWare on the 
Mac for servers or players.

On Jul 24, 2010, at 8:53, Steve Johnson  wrote:

> VMWare ... what? Player? Workstation? Server, etc?
> 
>> 
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Batch Conversion of Frame Referenced Graphic Calls

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The alternative to making a script, is to use a full-featured text editor like 
TextPad. The feature you are looking for is the ability to search and replace 
through files in a directory, or open files. Oxygen is another text editor that 
can do this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2010, at 14:47, "Combs, Richard"  
wrote:

> 
> If you're sure it wasn't MIF, then it must have been MML (Maker Markup 
> Language). I believe FM 7.x was the last version to support that. Google 
> "framemaker mml" if you're curious. 
> 
> But you can do exactly the same thing with MIF files, which like MML are 
> plain ASCII text. Save a file as MIF, globally replace .tif with .gif, and 
> save. Then open the MIF file with FM and save as FM. If you have large 
> numbers of FM files to process, you can script this. 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard G. Combs
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Re: Batch Conversion of Frame Referenced Graphic Calls

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The alternative to making a script, is to use a full-featured text editor like 
TextPad. The feature you are looking for is the ability to search and replace 
through files in a directory, or open files. Oxygen is another text editor that 
can do this.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2010, at 14:47, "Combs, Richard"  wrote:

> 
> If you're sure it wasn't MIF, then it must have been MML (Maker Markup 
> Language). I believe FM 7.x was the last version to support that. Google 
> "framemaker mml" if you're curious. 
> 
> But you can do exactly the same thing with MIF files, which like MML are 
> plain ASCII text. Save a file as MIF, globally replace .tif with .gif, and 
> save. Then open the MIF file with FM and save as FM. If you have large 
> numbers of FM files to process, you can script this. 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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