Re: [Framers] FrameMaker10 to Inkling Habitat

[Rebecca Officer]

Have you tried creating an epub file and then importing that into Inkling?

https://support.inkling.com/hc/en-us/articles/206669996-How-do-I-import-content-into-Inkling-Habitat-from-an-EPUB-file-

Cheers
Rebecca

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+rebecca.officer=alliedtelesis.co...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Thursday, 25 February 2016 4:23 a.m.
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker10 to Inkling Habitat

This page in their KB refers to working with a "Preferred Service Provider" - 
https://support.inkling.com/hc/en-us/articles/206451283-How-do-I-get-my-existing-content-into-a-Habitat-project-
 

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth=jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Keith Soltys
Sent: February-24-16 10:10 AM
To: 'Framers List'
Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker10 to Inkling Habitat

Inkling uses its own proprietary XML-based format called S9ML. I found an 
article that has a bit of information on it:

http://activitypress.com/2012/08/02/online-ebook-production-tools-part-3-inkling-habitat/

Regards
Keith

--
Keith Soltys
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Architecture
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(416) 947-4397
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker10 to Inkling Habitat

… have had that feeling many times …



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Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker10 to Inkling Habitat



Inkling is, AFAIK, not a standard e-book format, which is usually based on 
HTML I think you're screwed unless they have an import mechanism for 
formats such as PDF or RTF.



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Re: [Framers] Framemaker Training

[Rebecca Officer]

If you're just looking for a quick overview, try Lynda.com. They've only got a 
FrameMaker 10 course but the interface hasn't changed too much since then.

Cheers
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> I need training of Framemaker ASAP

> Can you help?

>

> Cheryl

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RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?

[Rebecca Officer]

This is the way to go, but only if you want “Lisa Info” to be the only 
conditional text format on the target paragraphs. If some of them are already 
tagged with other conditional text formats, this procedure removes that other 
tagging.

Cheers
Rebecca

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Thursday, 12 February 2015 10:43 a.m.
To: Tim Pann; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional text by paragraph tag?

0) Save all files in book.
1) Get condition onto your Clipboard (right-click text with the condition, Copy 
Special > Conditional Text Format).
2) Find: Paragraph Style [name of paragraph].
3) Replace: By Pasting.
4) Find and Change for one or two, then fire Replace All when you see that it's 
going to work out.
5) Generate output and peruse. DO NOT save FM files yet! If it boked a couple 
of times, fix thm; if it borked a ton; rollback to your 
backup.fm files (you DO automatically save 
backup.fm files every save, rght? ;) )

HTH;
David
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Subject: Conditional text by paragraph tag?
From: Tim Pann mailto:tp...@telecomsys.com>>
Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 3:59 pm
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>>
Hello,

In Frame 9, is it possible for me to set all text of a given paragraph tag to a 
particular conditional text format in a single step?

For example, I want to assign the condition “Lisa Info” to all paragraph tags 
b1 Body1 and bu1 Bullet1, but not to paragraph tag followUp, without going 
through and selecting each paragraph.

Thank you,

Tim Pann
Senior Technical Trainer
TeleCommunication Systems, Inc.
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RE: Framemaker 11 crashes when comparing books

[Rebecca Officer]

Not answering the original question, but ... 

You can clean up hundreds of lock files in one swell foop. Just use Windows 
file explorer to search for ".lck" in the relevant folder, sort the results by 
date, check they're all from the time you opened the book, select them all, and 
delete.

We've had a lot of practice at this lately!

Cheers
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RE: Viewing prior posts

[Rebecca Officer]

If you're looking for something in particular, you can use Google and limit 
your search to the framers archives by including this in your search terms:

site:lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers

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Rebecca


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Subject: Re: Viewing prior posts

Yes, at least theoretically.

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RE: wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi Wim

Thanks very much! I’m impressed.

I’ll have to think about the restriction of each step having exactly one cmd 
and one info element. That could be good for us – forcing us to keep our 
procedures simple.

Cheers
Rebecca

From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2014 9:40 a.m.
To: Rebecca Officer
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: wrapping DITA steps in tables

Hi Rebecca,

interesting question. Theoretically it should be possible to 'translate’ the 
steps element into a FrameMaker table, for presentation, just like we do with 
the properties element.
It would put some heavy constraints on your content however, as each step must 
have exactly one cmd and one info element.

You’ll need to adapt the read/write rules and the EDD. I just did a test and it 
seems to work. Look at the constructs for the property element in the reference 
rules and EDD to see how you can set it up. This what I’ve got in the rules 
file:

  /* steps */
element "steps" {
  is fm table element;
  fm property columns value is "2";
  attribute "props" is fm property column widths;
  }

fm element "fm-stepsbody" unwrap;
element "step" {
  is fm table row element;
  fm property row type value is "Body";
  }
element "cmd" is fm table cell element;
element "info" is fm table cell element;

(note: I used default FM DITA, not DITA-fmx yet)(note: I left out the table 
heading ….)

To make it work in the EDD I made  to be Element (Table), where general 
rule is fm-stepsbody.
Then  has step+ and  (Table Row) has cmd, info.
cmd and info are both Table Cell.

Actually, in a task topic this works like a charm and is a perfect template to 
make 'clean' tasks.
Using (cmd, info) as the general rule for step makes inserting and adding steps 
very easy.

In the WYSIWYG view I can see a table, while in the XML view I can see the 
correct steps xml code.

Thanks for the suggestion ….

Then
Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

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wrapping DITA steps in tables

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi everyone

When we publish PDFs from our DITA source files, we want to put our tasks in 
tables. 

I think that means we want to change the steps element into a 2-column table, 
such that every step becomes a row. Text from the cmd element would go into the 
first column, and text from the info element would go into the second column.

Is it possible to do this through the EDD (or the read/write rules)? Or is 
there a plug-in that'd do it? I've poked at the EDD syntax but I couldn't see 
anything likely. If not, we'll do it through a script, but I wanted to check 
with people here before going down that path.

We're publishing through DITA-FMx, in case that makes a difference.

Thanks very much
Rebecca
 
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RE: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style - MY ERROR

[Rebecca Officer]

But that checkbox shouldn't be necessary! You should be able to update a 
paragraph tag's settings without removing all overrides from the document.

Cheers
Rebecca


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Theresa de Valence
Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2014 9:35 a.m.
To: framers
Subject: Re: Frame 12.0.3 update: fails to import paragraph style - MY ERROR

On 9/30/2014 3:16 PM, Craig Ede wrote:
> Do you have the checkbox at the bottom of the Import Formats dialog 
> checked (Other format/layout overrides)?

I did not have "override" selected. Re-running accordingly works just fine, 
thanks.



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RE: Way to apply style to * paragraphs

[Rebecca Officer]

Hi Linda

Is the problem that paragraphs don't have the right paragraph tag? For example, 
have you got a heap of headings that have been tagged with Body and then 
overridden to look like headings? If so, you can use search and replace to fix 
at least some of it.


1.   Use FM's copy special to copy the correct paragraph tag

2.   use Framemaker's search to find the wrong ones, by searching by its 
font settings, then

3.   use the Change "by pasting" option to apply the right paragraph tag.

Hope this helps
Rebecca


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Subject: Way to apply style to * paragraphs

FM 12 (unstructured)
Win 7

I'm working with a large book from a client (66 chapters, 2500+ pages) that has 
numerous paragraphs that show an * next to the style name.

>From what I've seen, and of course, I've not looked at every page of every 
>file, the styles are in paragraph catalog, but apparently are not applied 
>properly. One of my tasks is to generally clean up the style usage to make it 
>consistent.

Before doing that cleanup (with plug-ins and scripts), I'd like to get all the 
styles properly applied to each paragraph. Does anyone know of an automated way 
to do this?

Thanks!

~
Linda G. Gallagher
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Re: Structured: about containers, other matter and chapter numbering

[rebecca officer]

Hi Teresa
 
How are you planning to turn your structured Frame files into ebooks?
 
If I understand things right, it'll be the same process as you'd use for 
unstructured Frame. Does the process work better if your files are structured? 
If not, I'm really having trouble figuring out what you'll gain from putting 
your novellas into structured Frame.
 
We're in the middle of a conversion to DITA, so I know a lot more about DITA 
than about vanilla structured Frame, so I might be talking garbage here. But 
it's not exactly trivial to specify formatting in DITA! Even with something 
simpler, I'm wondering if you're signing yourself up for weeks/months of work.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

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Re: UPDATE to CORRECTION: Section Number resets after closing file

[rebecca officer]

Hi Carol
 
Have you checked the numbering settings in the books themselves? Ie, by 
right-clicking on files in the book and choosing "numbering".
 
I'm wondering if this might be what got changed/corrupted, rather than the 
files. If the book settings are different from the file settings, Frame uses 
the book settings.
 
Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Carol J. Elkins"  4/07/14 06:43 >>>
Okay, I have finally made the problem reproducible. (Sorry for 
innundating the list with these emails, but I'm pretty panicky right 
now because I've based an entire library of books and documents to 
rely on using the Section number in a specific type of 
cross-reference that I've defined.)

Opening/closing the files in a book have nothing to do with the 
Section number resetting to 1. What resets the Section number to 1 is 
updating the book. I've tested this now in all six books in this 
series and updating the book consistently resets the Section number 
to 1. It does NOT reset the Chapter or Volume numbering.

So, back to my original question. Can anyone else reproduce this 
behavior? If so, I'll file a bug report. Or perhaps I'm totally 
misunderstanding the role of the Section number; perhaps it is 
dependent on something else?


Carol

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RE: Frame 12 conditional text bug

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gary

That's a good idea, thanks. We'll try it. Apart from anything else, it'll be 
really interesting to see if MIF files show the same bug.

About those crashes you mentioned, are they on Frame 12? We're seeing a lot of 
crashes too, but we haven't figured out a pattern to them yet. We're not 
exactly fans of Frame 12 right now!

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Zimmerman, Gary"  06/30/14 5:14 PM >>>
p.MsoNormal{margin-left:3.0pt;}
 
Hi Rebecca,
 
Have you tried working in .mif files instead of .fm files and only saving to 
.fm when you're done for the day? 
 
When we have some conditional text problems that crash FM, a mif wash of the 
files often helps, and sometimes fixes the problem. If yours is a bug, then the 
mif wash won't help, because as soon as you're back in .fm you'll hit the bug 
again. But maybe if you save the file as a mif, then work in themif as much as 
you can, and only save as an .fm doc at the end, it would at least save you 
some time during development.
 
-- garyZ
 
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Subject: Frame 12 conditional text bug


 
Hi everyone

 

I've just posted this on Adobe's bug tracker 
ashttps://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=selectBug&CFGRIDKEY=3783041 but 
wanted to see if anyone else is seeing it too.

 

We have unstructured FM 12 files that use Expressions to choose what 
conditional text to display. We also use text insets, especially as TOCs in 
chapters. When we update the text insets, conditional text displays that should 
be hidden according to the Expression. This means our documents suddenly 
display extra text!

 

Our text insets are set to update automatically when files open, so opening a 
file is often enough to trigger this bug.

 

Fortunately, we found a workaround: The display becomes correct if we turn the 
Expression off and then on again. For example, if we set the Show/Hide 
Conditional Text dialog to Show All and click Apply, then set it to show as per 
the desired Expression and click Apply, it'll display correctly. Until the next 
time we do something radical like opening the file.

The workaround is a lot better than nothing, but it means we have to keep 
changing the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog, across books of thousands of 
pages. It's slowing us down enough to drive us batty.

 

Cheers

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Frame 12 conditional text bug

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
I've just posted this on Adobe's bug tracker as 
https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=selectBug&CFGRIDKEY=3783041 but 
wanted to see if anyone else is seeing it too. 
 
We have unstructured FM 12 files that use Expressions to choose what 
conditional text to display. We also use text insets, especially as TOCs in 
chapters. When we update the text insets, conditional text displays that should 
be hidden according to the Expression. This means our documents suddenly 
display extra text!
 
Our text insets are set to update automatically when files open, so opening a 
file is often enough to trigger this bug.
 
Fortunately, we found a workaround: The display becomes correct if we turn the 
Expression off and then on again. For example, if we set the Show/Hide 
Conditional Text dialog to Show All and click Apply, then set it to show as per 
the desired Expression and click Apply, it'll display correctly. Until the next 
time we do something radical like opening the file.

The workaround is a lot better than nothing, but it means we have to keep 
changing the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog, across books of thousands of 
pages. It's slowing us down enough to drive us batty.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

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[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I was very sorry to see a recent post on the dita-users list saying that Jeremy 
has died. We've used Mif2Go extensively and found Jeremy incredibly helpful. 
The FM community won't be the same without him.

Regards
Rebecca

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RE: making stuff unconditional in FM12

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gary
 
When we moved to FM10, I complained on this list about conditional text
crashes that sound exactly like yours, and an Adobe engineer got in
touch. I sent them files and detailed bug reports and, long story short,
they fixed it in FM11.
 
So yes, they are listening now, and if you can coax an upgrade out of
your company, it's probably well worth it.
 
Interested to hear you're doing a DITA conversion. We are too, but
planning on using Frame 12 as our main editor.
 
Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Zimmerman, Gary"  11/04/14 11:33 >>>

I would be really happy to be completely wrong on this.  Now I'm just
sorry my company probably won't upgrade from FM10 to 12 so I can see the
improvements.  If they are listening and responding now (I don't think
they were in the, perhaps distant, past), kudos to them.
 
I would be thrilled, for example, if they addressed the fragility of
the conditional text feature, an otherwise great strength of FM.  My
site has been plagued with seemingly random, fairly frequent,
work-losing FM crashes that mostly seem related to the application of
the conditional text feature in structured FM documents.  Switching the
conditional visibility to show all conditions or switch to showing a few
initiates the crashes, and we suspect it is when the conditions are
applied to pilcrows, end of doc mark, or various structure elements in
such a way that hiding the condition makes an invalid document or
affects the internals such that FM freaks out.  The experiences have
made what was a really superb feature into a source of frustration,
fear, and risk.
 
The UI to me was a devolution after FM7, but I'm old and cranky.  I do
use the Save/Restore Workspace to bring things back after everything
seems to become littered here and there, especially working with two
monitors, and occasionally remoting in from home where I use a large
laptop with only one screen.  Still, I would prefer not to need to do
that, though I appreciate that it's an option.
 
Perhaps our DITA conversion will go slower than expected (almost surely
will) so maybe I'll get to experience FM 12 at some point before FM 15
is available.  Looking forward to being pleasantly surprised with the
improvements and response to customer issues.
 
-- garyZ
 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 10:22 PM
To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com; Keith Soltys
Subject: RE: making stuff unconditional in FM12

 

Hi everyone

 

First off, thanks to everyone who pointed out the Control+6 keyboard
shortcut. 13 years of FM and I didn't know that one. It certainly beats
the copy special route.

 

Second, Kapil Verma, the FM product manager, emailed me off-list to
discuss the functionality, and let me know they'll be adding a button in
the conditional text pod to make stuff unconditional. He also explained
why the checkboxes behave like they do, and suggested an improvement. 

 

I'm very impressed at that level of response to my whinge - thanks,
Adobe!

 

I certainly find the pods an improvement on the old interface, so
overall I'm happier with the new UI than the old. 

 

Cheers

Rebecca

>>> Keith Soltys  1/04/14 02:14 >>>

I’m with Scott on this one. 
I do have my gripes about some of the FM interface (I’m still using 10
but will upgrade to 12 as soon as WebWorks supports it), but in general,
I’ve found the pods and tearaway catalogs useful. I use two monitors,
one in portrait mode for my content, and one in landscape mode for all
of the dialogs. Works well and keeps my working area clean. 
Adobe is paying a lot of attention to its users. I’ve had direct
contact with the Adobe development team based on comments made here and
in the Adobe forums – they are listening.  Bear in mind that FrameMaker
is not the only product Adobe sells and some of the chang
es made were to
make FrameMaker more consistent with their other products. You may
consider this approach misguided but it’s corporate policy and almost
certainly beyond the control of the Adobe team.
Regards
Keith
 

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Subject: Re: making stuff unconditional in FM12

 

Aw .. c'mon .. that's a bit harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a fan of the "new" (since FM9) UI either, but personally
attacking the people behind the current product really isn't fair. The
current team developing FrameMaker *is* very interested in customer
feedback, and does listen. (And it's certainly not the programmers'
faults .. they implement the features they are told to.)

The new UI is a significant change from the old standard, but can be
tamed if you're willing to spe

RE: making stuff unconditional in FM12

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
First off, thanks to everyone who pointed out the Control+6 keyboard
shortcut. 13 years of FM and I didn't know that one. It certainly beats
the copy special route.
 
Second, Kapil Verma, the FM product manager, emailed me off-list to
discuss the functionality, and let me know they'll be adding a button in
the conditional text pod to make stuff unconditional. He also explained
why the checkboxes behave like they do, and suggested an improvement. 
 
I'm very impressed at that level of response to my whinge - thanks,
Adobe!
 
I certainly find the pods an improvement on the old interface, so
overall I'm happier with the new UI than the old. 
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Keith Soltys  1/04/14 02:14 >>>

I’m with Scott on this one. 
I do have my gripes about some of the FM interface (I’m still using 10
but will upgrade to 12 as soon as WebWorks supports it), but in general,
I’ve found the pods and tearaway catalogs useful. I use two monitors,
one in portrait mode for my content, and one in landscape mode for all
of the dialogs. Works well and keeps my working area clean. 
Adobe is paying a lot of attention to its users. I’ve had direct
contact with the Adobe development team based on comments made here and
in the Adobe forums – they are listening.  Bear in mind that FrameMaker
is not the only product Adobe sells and some of the changes made were to
make FrameMaker more consistent with their other products. You may
consider this approach misguided but it’s corporate policy and almost
certainly beyond the control of the Adobe team.
Regards
Keith
 

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Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 12:27 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: making stuff unconditional in FM12

 

Aw .. c'mon .. that's a bit harsh, don't you think?

I'm not a fan of the "new" (since FM9) UI either, but personally
attacking the people behind the current product really isn't fair. The
current team developing FrameMaker *is* very interested in customer
feedback, and does listen. (And it's certainly not the programmers'
faults .. they implement the features they are told to.)

The new UI is a significant change from the old standard, but can be
tamed if you're willing to spend the time to learn how to make it do
what you want. There are training videos and other info about setting up
workspaces and other features, and with FM12, they have fixed most of
the missing keyboard shortcuts (I believe). I totally agree that there
are some frustrating aspects to it, but that's the new world of UI
design. If you don't like it, stick with FM8. No one is forcing you to
upgrade (although they do encourage it).

As for XML editors .. I think you'll find that XMetaL is considerably
lacking when compared to FM. Especially if you're planning on generating
PDFs .. you'll either need to take a step back on your formatting and
layout, or you'll still need to use FM for PDF publishing. (But I am
biased .. I'll admit that freely.)

Cheers,

...scott


 

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making stuff unconditional in FM12

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
I just went looking for the "unconditional" button in the revamped Conditional 
Tags pod in FM12. It ain't there.
 
Am I just being blind? Or is there another one-or-two-click way to make stuff 
unconditional?
 
At the moment, it looks like I either have to go the Copy Special route, or 
manually untick all the tick boxes. To add insult to injury, they go On > As Is 
> Off, so I have to click each tickbox *twice* to clear it. Seriously, Adobe??
 
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Re: Conditional build expressions?

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Hi Scott
 
I don't know anything about FM8 or FM9 - we skipped them - but I've got 
FM10/11/12 all installed on my laptop, for testing purposes. 
 
In FM10/11 you can't enter (). You get an error about invalid syntax if you do. 
So that grouping feature is new in FM12.
 
We've used build expressions a lot in FM10 and it would've been easier with 
grouping!
 
Something else that may not be obvious: you can combine AND with NOT to give 
you ANDNOT functionality. That's very useful. 
 
Another thing is that FM 10/11 do group things, you just have no control over 
the grouping. We've got expressions like:
 
   productA andnot internalOnly andnot future or product-family-A andnot 
internalOnly andnot future 
 
FM groups this as:
 
   (productA andnot internalOnly andnot future) or (product-family-A andnot 
internalOnly andnot future)
not as:
 
 productA andnot internalOnly andnot (future or product-family-A) andnot 
internalOnly andnot future 
 
Feel free to ask any other questions, or let me know if you want me to test 
anything.
 
Cheers
Rebecca
 

>>> Scott Prentice  11/03/14 07:27 >>>
Hi...

This is a stretch .. but if anyone knows it'll be someone on this list. I'm 
looking for information on the differences between the basic functionality of 
the conditional build expressions in FM from FM8 to FM12.

>From the UI functionality perspective, it looks like FM8 and FM9 are the same, 
>then in FM10 a "label" was added so you could give your build expression a 
>name. FM10 and FM11 look the same, and in FM12 they added a "()" button to 
>allow for grouping.

The docs are woefully lacking on details.

Was the basic functionality and syntax the same from FM8 to FM11? Is the "()" 
(grouping) feature actually new in FM12 or was that allowed previously, but you 
just had to know to type it? I must admit that I've never really used this 
feature, but would like to leverage it in a plugin, so need to know which 
aspects are new and which have been there since FM8.

Any tidbits of info are appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: Structured FM 11 Font management issue

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Hi Brenda
 
Fonts can lurk all over the place (we found one in an unused table
caption definition once - aargh). Check whether *most* of your text has
changed to the new fonts. If so, I think you're on the right track by
playing with the settings in the maker.ini file, but I'm no expert on
eexactly what changes to make.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "George, Brenda (CAI)"  5/03/14 08:57
>>>

My office recently upgraded to FrameMaker 11 in a Windows 7
environment. We previously used FrameMaker 8 | Windows XP.
We are in the process of replacing the following fonts:
Courier
Zapf Dingbats
 
With the following:
Courier New
ITC Zapf Dingbats Std Medium
 
I am having problems with Zapf Dingbats being replaced with ITC Zapf
Dingbats Std Medium. I have used the FrameMaker 11 fonts pod to update
these fonts for all of the appropriate FrameMaker files.
 
We use an automated process to create the FrameMaker files. The process
involves importing XML feeds into Structured FrameMaker 11 using an
automated process. After the XML has been imported, it is fully
formatted in FrameMaker 11. After I select the xml file to import and
the automated process is about to import the xml file into FrameMaker
11, the FrameMaker console is displaying this message:
The “Zapfdingbats” font is not available. 
It will be replaced by “AdobePiStd”.
The “Zapfdingbats” font is not available. 
It will be replaced by “AdobePiStd”.
The “Courier” font is not available. 
It will be replaced by “Courier New”.
 
When I view the fonts in this newly created FrameMaker 11 file in the
font pod, the “AdobePiStd” font is displayed as part of the fonts in
this file. I did update the Zapf Dingbats occurrences in the FrameMaker
template to ITC Zapf Dingbats Std Medium and I updated all of the other
systems files as well. I did update the FrameMaker Edd.
 
I looked at the maker.ini file and I noticed the following code:
; Font Entries Added in Frame 8 due to Font Set Changes
Zapfdingbats, *,*= Adobe Pi Std,*,*
 
In the automated process that I am using, when the xml feed is about to
be imported is this line of code causing FrameMaker 11 to override the
font changes that I made to all of the FrameMaker 11 files? Should I
change this line of code to this in order to fix the problem:
Zapfdingbats, *,*= ITC Zapf Dingbats Std,*,*
 
Any help that you can give me will be appreciated.
 
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Re: Spell-checking not foolproof

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Check the character format and make sure the dictionary settings are right. If 
it's set to "none" it won't get checked.
 
Cheers
Rebecca
 
 
>>> Steve Rickaby  5/03/14 04:49 >>>
A typo in the book I'm working on spelled 'upwardss'. It goes through spell 
checking just fine.

So I told FrameMaker to unlearn 'upwardss', and it said it had.

But it still didn't trigger a spelling violation.

??
-- 
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RE: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?

[rebecca officer]

Hi Dan
 
How much are you wedded to Frame and Word? If the issue is just that they need 
a free editor and you need good PDFs, it could be worth changing tools. LaTeX 
could be a possiblity, as could converting to DITA. With DITA, you could use 
Framemaker and they could use a free editor like Serna.
 
Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Harding, Dan"  28/02/14 02:53 >>>
I initially tried that method, as the formatting results are wonderful when you 
get to Word, considerably better than the direct RTF export. However, in going 
that route all index markers are lost (whereas when you export to RTF from 
Frame they are retained).

Any solution that deletes the index markers is a nonstarter for us.

Thanks.

-Dan

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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:17 AM
To: Harding, Dan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?

Hi everyone. First post.

My team converts our material to Word frequently for our Product Support group 
to use.

Our trick is to create a pdf of the Frame document (as we normally do; our 
preferred delivery). We then use Acrobat's File... > Save As Other... > 
Microsoft Word... to create a .docx Word doc. Even the tables stay tidy.

We're on Windows 7 64-bit Enterprise, FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro XI.

Thanks,
Alan

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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:21 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Round-trip revisions via MS Word. Alternate methods?

Good morning,

We have used the same authoring process for eons: Authors/editors work in MS 
Word, as well as preliminary indexing work. I then take the MS Word file, 
import into FM (unstructured) and do the final print-ready formatting, making 
things adhere to our publishing standards and tightening up consistency.

As a process it work well... until it's time to revise the book for the next 
edition.

Our authors and editors will ONLY work in MS Word. PDF comments/revisions will 
not work, as there frequently are extensive revisions including insertion of 
new sections (multiple pages) of content, as well as shuffling of content.

When I export the final FM version back to MS Word for them to work on, the 
conversion is VERY crude and frequently requires extensive work on the 
post-conversion Word files for the editors to be able to work within the files.

Then of course there's the reformatting from scratch in FM when the revisions 
are done (which actually is faster and more reliable than trying to reconcile 
changes in the MS Word version with the existing FM version).

Is there a better way to perform the round-trip process given the MS Word 
requirement, and barring that, are there better ways/tools to get cleaner MS 
Word files from FM than exporting to RTF?

Would making the change from unstructured to structured FM on my part help in 
this regard?

Environment:

Windows 7 64-bit Enterprise
Framemaker 10 (unstructured) [NOTE: TCS 5 is on order but I have not received 
it yet.] Microsoft Office 2010

Thank you in advance.

Dan Harding
University of Illinois Tax School

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Giving some paragraphs a background colour with DITA

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

We're going to be using FrameMaker (12) to output PDFs from DITA. We'd like 
certain paragraphs and/or table cells to have a background colour. 

Our specific usecase is that we produce multi-switch config examples. 
Sometimes, we find that each switch's content takes up more than a page, and 
that all the switches are nearly identical. It really helps if we can colour 
the content differently, so users (and us!) can see whether they're on switch 
1, 2 or 3.

We thought maybe outputclass would let us do this, but so far we haven't 
figured out how. We've found online references to doing this with the open 
toolkit, and for HTML with CSS, but nothing about Framemaker.

Is there a way to use the outputclass attribute to style how some elements 
appear in FrameMaker? If not, is there another way to get the effect we're 
after?

Thanks very much!
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Giving some paragraphs a background colour with DITA

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

We're going to be using FrameMaker (12) to output PDFs from DITA. We'd like 
certain paragraphs and/or table cells to have a background colour. 
 
Our specific usecase is that we produce multi-switch config examples. 
Sometimes, we find that each switch's content takes up more than a page, and 
that all the switches are nearly identical. It really helps if we can colour 
the content differently, so users (and us!) can see whether they're on switch 
1, 2 or 3.
 
We thought maybe outputclass would let us do this, but so far we haven't 
figured out how. We've found online references to doing this with the open 
toolkit, and for HTML with CSS, but nothing about Framemaker.
 
Is there a way to use the outputclass attribute to style how some elements 
appear in FrameMaker? If not, is there another way to get the effect we're 
after?
 
Thanks very much!
Rebecca

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Re: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

[rebecca officer]

Ask the customer if they have the italic form of the font. They may just have 
forgotten to give it to you - or they may insist you use bold for emphasis too.
 
If you fake it with Oblique, I think that does carry through to PDF but not 
HTML. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong on that.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Stuart Rogers  21/01/14 12:02 >>>
On 2014-Jan-20 5:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:



All,
A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files 
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and Arial. 
They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is Regular weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).  I have several 
character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One 
of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic. 
When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e., 
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag is 
apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower left 
corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis with an 
asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the 
tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old 
Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was immediately 
italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.
I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source file, 
so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that is 
preventing character tags from being applied as expected. 
Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
TVB 



My first guess is that the Regular font set does not contain the glyphs for 
italics -- especially given that the client has provided a completely separate 
file for Bold. So FM is attempting to apply the tag, but it can't change the 
appearance because the needed characters don't exist.  You might be able to 
redefine the tag to use "Obliqued" as the angle, and FM will try to fake 
italics by sloping the roman glyphs. But the true solution would be to purchase 
the italic font file required.

HTH,

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Applying a character tag to text in FM10

[rebecca officer]

Ask the customer if they have the italic form of the font. They may just have 
forgotten to give it to you - or they may insist you use bold for emphasis too.

If you fake it with Oblique, I think that does carry through to PDF but not 
HTML. Someone else correct me if I'm wrong on that.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Stuart Rogers  21/01/14 12:02 >>>
On 2014-Jan-20 5:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:



All,
A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files 
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and Arial. 
They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is Regular weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).  I have several 
character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One 
of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic. 
When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e., 
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag is 
apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower left 
corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis with an 
asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the 
tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old 
Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was immediately 
italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.
I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source file, 
so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that is 
preventing character tags from being applied as expected. 
Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.
Regards,
TVB 



My first guess is that the Regular font set does not contain the glyphs for 
italics -- especially given that the client has provided a completely separate 
file for Bold. So FM is attempting to apply the tag, but it can't change the 
appearance because the needed characters don't exist.  You might be able to 
redefine the tag to use "Obliqued" as the angle, and FM will try to fake 
italics by sloping the roman glyphs. But the true solution would be to purchase 
the italic font file required.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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TCS5 doesn't have Illustrator

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

The new FM12 features sound great but I must admit I'm horrified to hear that 
TCS5 doesn't have Illustrator. My team's got the subscription version of TCS4. 
Does anyone know if we can separately upgrade FM, or do we have to upgrade the 
whole suite to TCS5? I assume if we upgrade the whole suite we'd lose our 
rights to Illustrator?

We bought TCS subscription specifically so we could get upgrades to FM *and* 
Illustrator. I feel like Adobe have signed us up to a one-year contract and 
then pulled the rug out from under us!

I'd appreciate any info anyone happens to have.

Thanks, 
Rebecca


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[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
The new FM12 features sound great but I must admit I'm horrified to hear that 
TCS5 doesn't have Illustrator. My team's got the subscription version of TCS4. 
Does anyone know if we can separately upgrade FM, or do we have to upgrade the 
whole suite to TCS5? I assume if we upgrade the whole suite we'd lose our 
rights to Illustrator?
 
We bought TCS subscription specifically so we could get upgrades to FM *and* 
Illustrator. I feel like Adobe have signed us up to a one-year contract and 
then pulled the rug out from under us!
 
I'd appreciate any info anyone happens to have.
 
Thanks, 
Rebecca
 
 
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Re: Changing conditional text settings crashes Frame

[rebecca officer]

Hi Anita 
 
We also had crashes when changing CT show/hide settings in FM10. I
reported it very thoroughly to Adobe and they confirmed there was a bug.
As far as I can tell, it's fixed in FM11. 
 
Two workarounds:
- we didn't see the crash if we saved the file immediately before
changing the CT show/hide settings 
- it didn't crash if we imported CT settings from a file 
 
We ended up using framescript to create menu items for changing the CT
settings, where the script imports the settings from a file.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Gutierrez, Anita"  14/01/14 07:24 >>>

Hi Framers,

 
Frame 10.0.2.419 / Win 7 Enterprise SP1 / I’m on the digest list so
please copy me on any responses.
 
I have a file that consistently crashes Frame when I change its
conditional text settings.  Here’s the sequence. The file uses two
conditions, which I’ll call Condition1 and Condition2. 
 
1. Open the file and select Special > Conditional Text > Show/Hide
Conditional Text.
2. Change anything in the window except to hide Condition1.
3. Click Apply.  Boom! (Internal error 10024, 5989862, 5990284,
4795407.)  This is very repeatable with this one file.  (And yes, I’ve
sent the error log to the fmerror@ adobe group.)
 
Of note:
 
•  If I hide Condition1 (assuming it’s showing), I don’t get the crash.
 All other changes in the Show/Hide window cause the crash.
 
•  I tried closing the file and clicking it in the context of the book.
 Selecting View > Show/Hide Conditional Text and applying changes still
causes the crash.
 
•  I asked a couple of colleagues to test the above steps on their
machines and they also got the crash.  (One’s on Frame 10.0.0.388, the
other same as me, 10.0.2.419.)
 
•  I can change condition settings for other files, including other
files in the same book, through the UI without crashing.
 
•  I can use a FrameScript to set the doc’s ShowCondIndicators and
CondFmt.CondFmtIsShown as needed.  This is my work-around for the time
being.
•  I can save the file to MIF, open as text and change 
to  for my two conditions. When I re-open in Frame, the
conditions are showing, with condition indicators on. (Anyone know the
MIF equivalent of “don’t Show Condition Indicators”?  I searched for
“cond” and “condition” and didn’t find anything recognizable as
such.)
 
Possibly also of note:
 
•  Last week when this started happening, I tried a reboot (in the
absence of other ideas).  When my machine came back up, it
blue-screened—so there may be a systemic issue not related to Frame. 
However since my colleagues were able to reproduce the problem,
environment issues are not the sole cause.
 
Have any of you seen something similar to this before? Or have any
ideas about how to un-corrupt the file?  
 
Thanks—
Anita
 
 
Anita Maria Gutierrez
Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
Sage Software
 
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[rebecca officer]

Hi Anita 

We also had crashes when changing CT show/hide settings in FM10. I
reported it very thoroughly to Adobe and they confirmed there was a bug.
As far as I can tell, it's fixed in FM11. 

Two workarounds:
- we didn't see the crash if we saved the file immediately before
changing the CT show/hide settings 
- it didn't crash if we imported CT settings from a file 

We ended up using framescript to create menu items for changing the CT
settings, where the script imports the settings from a file.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Gutierrez, Anita"  14/01/14 07:24 >>>

Hi Framers,


Frame 10.0.2.419 / Win 7 Enterprise SP1 / I?m on the digest list so
please copy me on any responses.

I have a file that consistently crashes Frame when I change its
conditional text settings.  Here?s the sequence. The file uses two
conditions, which I?ll call Condition1 and Condition2. 

1. Open the file and select Special > Conditional Text > Show/Hide
Conditional Text.
2. Change anything in the window except to hide Condition1.
3. Click Apply.  Boom! (Internal error 10024, 5989862, 5990284,
4795407.)  This is very repeatable with this one file.  (And yes, I?ve
sent the error log to the fmerror@ adobe group.)

Of note:

?  If I hide Condition1 (assuming it?s showing), I don?t get the crash.
 All other changes in the Show/Hide window cause the crash.

?  I tried closing the file and clicking it in the context of the book.
 Selecting View > Show/Hide Conditional Text and applying changes still
causes the crash.

?  I asked a couple of colleagues to test the above steps on their
machines and they also got the crash.  (One?s on Frame 10.0.0.388, the
other same as me, 10.0.2.419.)

?  I can change condition settings for other files, including other
files in the same book, through the UI without crashing.

?  I can use a FrameScript to set the doc?s ShowCondIndicators and
CondFmt.CondFmtIsShown as needed.  This is my work-around for the time
being.
?  I can save the file to MIF, open as text and change 
to  for my two conditions. When I re-open in Frame, the
conditions are showing, with condition indicators on. (Anyone know the
MIF equivalent of ?don?t Show Condition Indicators??  I searched for
?cond? and ?condition? and didn?t find anything recognizable as
such.)

Possibly also of note:

?  Last week when this started happening, I tried a reboot (in the
absence of other ideas).  When my machine came back up, it
blue-screened?so there may be a systemic issue not related to Frame. 
However since my colleagues were able to reproduce the problem,
environment issues are not the sole cause.

Have any of you seen something similar to this before? Or have any
ideas about how to un-corrupt the file?  

Thanks?
Anita


Anita Maria Gutierrez
Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
Sage Software

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DITA conversion and cross-ref IDs

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

Thanks for the answers! I'm feeling slightly embarrassed to admit that I'd 
forgotten MIF2Go did DITA. I've chucked it in the engineer's direction.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Jeremy H. Griffith"  9/12/13 20:49 >>>
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:00:50 +1300, "rebecca officer"  wrote:

>We're currently in the process of converting from 
>Unstructured FrameMaker files to DITA using FrameMaker 11. 
>The engineer who's working on the conversion has a 
>question about cross-references. When he structures 
>the document using the conversion table, he'd like to 
>be able to save the Idref value for the cross-reference 
>as an attribute in the element it is wrapped in. At the 
>moment, when he structures the document, all he can 
>manage is to wrap the text in a  element.

That's just one of hundreds of problems you will have
trying to use the conversion table method.  It's grossly
inadequate.  Links, graphics, tables... it's a long list.

>If anyone's got any ideas about how to do this - or about 
>how else to avoid having to manually re-create thousands 
>of cross-refs - I'd be really grateful! The engineer's 
>happy with scripting, esp Python, so it doesn't have to 
>be a purely FM solution.

Um, you already *have* Mif2Go.  We spent quite a few
engineer-years working with DITA TC members on many
large conversion projects (including IBM's) to get it
right.  And to make it as easy as possible.  This has
actually become the second-biggest use case for Mif2Go
(the biggest is still conversion to Word).  Save
yourself a BIG bundle of time and money, and use it.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: DITA conversion and cross-ref IDs

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
Thanks for the answers! I'm feeling slightly embarrassed to admit that I'd 
forgotten MIF2Go did DITA. I've chucked it in the engineer's direction.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Jeremy H. Griffith"  9/12/13 20:49 >>>
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 11:00:50 +1300, "rebecca officer" 
 wrote:

>We're currently in the process of converting from 
>Unstructured FrameMaker files to DITA using FrameMaker 11. 
>The engineer who's working on the conversion has a 
>question about cross-references. When he structures 
>the document using the conversion table, he'd like to 
>be able to save the Idref value for the cross-reference 
>as an attribute in the element it is wrapped in. At the 
>moment, when he structures the document, all he can 
>manage is to wrap the text in a  element.

That's just one of hundreds of problems you will have
trying to use the conversion table method.  It's grossly
inadequate.  Links, graphics, tables... it's a long list.

>If anyone's got any ideas about how to do this - or about 
>how else to avoid having to manually re-create thousands 
>of cross-refs - I'd be really grateful! The engineer's 
>happy with scripting, esp Python, so it doesn't have to 
>be a purely FM solution.

Um, you already *have* Mif2Go.  We spent quite a few
engineer-years working with DITA TC members on many
large conversion projects (including IBM's) to get it
right.  And to make it as easy as possible.  This has
actually become the second-biggest use case for Mif2Go
(the biggest is still conversion to Word).  Save
yourself a BIG bundle of time and money, and use it.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/
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DITA conversion and cross-ref IDs

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Hi everyone

We're currently in the process of converting from Unstructured FrameMaker files 
to DITA using FrameMaker 11. 
The engineer who's working on the conversion has a question about 
cross-references. When he structures the document using the conversion table, 
he'd like to be able to save the Idref value for the cross-reference as an 
attribute in the element it is wrapped in. At the moment, when he structures 
the document, all he can manage is to wrap the text in a  element.

If anyone's got any ideas about how to do this - or about how else to avoid 
having to manually re-create thousands of cross-refs - I'd be really grateful! 
The engineer's happy with scripting, esp Python, so it doesn't have to be a 
purely FM solution.

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DITA conversion and cross-ref IDs

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone
 
We're currently in the process of converting from Unstructured FrameMaker files 
to DITA using FrameMaker 11. 
The engineer who's working on the conversion has a question about 
cross-references. When he structures the document using the conversion table, 
he'd like to be able to save the Idref value for the cross-reference as an 
attribute in the element it is wrapped in. At the moment, when he structures 
the document, all he can manage is to wrap the text in a  element.
 
If anyone's got any ideas about how to do this - or about how else to avoid 
having to manually re-create thousands of cross-refs - I'd be really grateful! 
The engineer's happy with scripting, esp Python, so it doesn't have to be a 
purely FM solution.
 
Thanks very much,
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Not selecting the entire word in Frame

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Hi Michael

Sounds like you've got your shortcuts mixed up. SHIFT+left/right arrow selects 
only the letters before/after the cursor. CTRL+SHIFT+left/right arrow selects 
the whole word.  

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Reng, Dr. Winfried"  16/11/13 01:36 >>>

Hi,

I work with FrameMaker for approx. 20 years now. When
I press CTRL+SHIFT+left/right arrow the whole word is selected.
I do not know of any option to change this, neither in the
preferences nor in the maker.ini.

Best regards

Winfried


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I'm using Frame 10.  I work with keyboard shortcuts a lot.  When I'm editing, I 
often put the cursor in a word then hit Ctrl+Shift+left arrow, to highlight the 
part of the word I want to change.  I would have sworn that, until a few 
minutes ago, this would select only the part of the word  from the cursor to 
the beginning of the word.  But now it's selecting the entire word.  I can't 
find how to set a preference to indicate how I want Frame to behave. 

In Word, there's the option "When selecting, automatically select entire word." 
 I thought there was something similar in Frame.  Have I been hallucinating? 

Thanks. 

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RE: Not selecting the entire word in Frame

[rebecca officer]

Hi Michael
 
Sounds like you've got your shortcuts mixed up. SHIFT+left/right arrow selects 
only the letters before/after the cursor. CTRL+SHIFT+left/right arrow selects 
the whole word.  
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Reng, Dr. Winfried"  16/11/13 01:36 >>>

Hi,
 
I work with FrameMaker for approx. 20 years now. When
I press CTRL+SHIFT+left/right arrow the whole word is selected.
I do not know of any option to change this, neither in the
preferences nor in the maker.ini.
 
Best regards
 
Winfried
 

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Subject: Not selecting the entire word in Frame

 
I'm using Frame 10.  I work with keyboard shortcuts a lot.  When I'm editing, I 
often put the cursor in a word then hit Ctrl+Shift+left arrow, to highlight the 
part of the word I want to change.  I would have sworn that, until a few 
minutes ago, this would select only the part of the word  from the cursor to 
the beginning of the word.  But now it's selecting the entire word.  I can't 
find how to set a preference to indicate how I want Frame to behave. 

In Word, there's the option "When selecting, automatically select entire word." 
 I thought there was something similar in Frame.  Have I been hallucinating? 

Thanks. 

Michael Schwartz 
Teradyne


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InDesign to FrameMaker 9.0 for Windows 7

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I'd get InDesign. It's a useful thing to have in your toolkit anyway, and a 
single subscription licence is only $20 a month.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Art Campbell  11/11/13 14:53 >>>
You can get some of the content by exporting ID into Word/RTF and opening those 
in FM but there's still going to be lots of hand work.

Probably better will be to output the finished docs from ID to high quality PDF 
and save those to RTF then bring those into FM. That should include the 
graphics.

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My team is about to get a pile of InDesign files from another company. To edit 
the files, we need to either purchase InDesign ourselves or convert the files 
to FrameMaker 9. I don't know (yet) what version of InDesign they are using.

Question: How easy and clean is the conversion of InDesign files to FM 9.0?
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Re: InDesign to FrameMaker 9.0 for Windows 7

[rebecca officer]

I'd get InDesign. It's a useful thing to have in your toolkit anyway, and a 
single subscription licence is only $20 a month.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Art Campbell  11/11/13 14:53 >>>
You can get some of the content by exporting ID into Word/RTF and opening those 
in FM but there's still going to be lots of hand work.

Probably better will be to output the finished docs from ID to high quality PDF 
and save those to RTF then bring those into FM. That should include the 
graphics.

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My team is about to get a pile of InDesign files from another company. To edit 
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Interim tables of contents

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Hi Alastair

I just read this, have been busy lately. In case you're still looking for an 
answer, it's easy: just open the chapter, go to Special > Table of Contents. If 
it asks whether you want to generate a Standalone TOC, say yes. Create the TOC 
with the desired set of paragraph tags. Then save the resulting TOC file and 
import it as a text inset at the start of your chapter.

To update it, create the TOC again, as above, and then update the text inset.

If you've got any questions, let me know. 

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Alastair Dent  3/10/13 22:27 >>>

Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
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>>> Alastair Dent  3/10/13 22:27 >>>

Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
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Re: Interim tables of contents

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Hi Alastair
 
I just read this, have been busy lately. In case you're still looking for an 
answer, it's easy: just open the chapter, go to Special > Table of Contents. If 
it asks whether you want to generate a Standalone TOC, say yes. Create the TOC 
with the desired set of paragraph tags. Then save the resulting TOC file and 
import it as a text inset at the start of your chapter.
 
To update it, create the TOC again, as above, and then update the text inset.
 
If you've got any questions, let me know. 
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Alastair Dent  3/10/13 22:27 >>>

Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com


>>> Alastair Dent  3/10/13 22:27 >>>

Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?
 
For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.
 
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variables not hiding when set to conditional text

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Hi Linda

What formatting do you have applied to your variables? There's a bug that has 
this effect for xref formats, that makes them unconditional in some 
circumstances. I'm wondering if you're seeing something similar.

Conditional text on variables works fine for us in FM10, so it's not a 
universal bug.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Linda Rose  27/09/13 04:56 >>>
FM 10 on Win7.


When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the 
variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, 
it doesn't take.


Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10?


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Re: variables not hiding when set to conditional text

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Hi Linda
 
What formatting do you have applied to your variables? There's a bug that has 
this effect for xref formats, that makes them unconditional in some 
circumstances. I'm wondering if you're seeing something similar.
 
Conditional text on variables works fine for us in FM10, so it's not a 
universal bug.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Linda Rose  27/09/13 04:56 >>>
FM 10 on Win7.


When I set a paragraph with variables to be conditional, then hide it, the 
variable don't hide. Even when I select a variable and apply a conditional tag, 
it doesn't take.


Has anyone else seen this and found a workaround? Is this a defect in FM10?


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Re: CleanImport and ElectroPubs?

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If anyone knows what happened - or how to get hold of them - I'd appreciate it! 
We had CleanImport on WinXP, and I'd really like to get my mitts on it for 
Win7. 
 
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I use CleanImport a lot. 
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RE: Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

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We get crashes on FM10 pretty often when manipulating conditional text dialog 
boxes. Sometimes they crash "cleanly", but sometimes we don't get a crash 
message etc, FM just freezes. I left one overnight a while ago and it was still 
frozen the next morning.
 
(We've tested FM11 and it looks like this bug is fixed. We'll be upgrading soon 
- hopefully we won't see a whole bunch of new bugs to work around!)
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Craig Ede  14/08/13 03:57 >>>

Framemaker can take quite a while to do some things, so it's important to know 
the difference between a crash and a "FrameMaker is not responding" message. 
The latter means "Wait until I complete this task." The former is accompanied 
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CleanImport and ElectroPubs?

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If anyone knows what happened - or how to get hold of them - I'd appreciate it! 
We had CleanImport on WinXP, and I'd really like to get my mitts on it for 
Win7. 

Cheers
Rebecca

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Windows 7 + FrameMaker 11 = BOOM!

[rebecca officer]

We get crashes on FM10 pretty often when manipulating conditional text dialog 
boxes. Sometimes they crash "cleanly", but sometimes we don't get a crash 
message etc, FM just freezes. I left one overnight a while ago and it was still 
frozen the next morning.

(We've tested FM11 and it looks like this bug is fixed. We'll be upgrading soon 
- hopefully we won't see a whole bunch of new bugs to work around!)

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Craig Ede  14/08/13 03:57 >>>

Framemaker can take quite a while to do some things, so it's important to know 
the difference between a crash and a "FrameMaker is not responding" message. 
The latter means "Wait until I complete this task." The former is accompanied 
by a crash message and exiting from FrameMaker. Very seldom do I see crashes 
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TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

[rebecca officer]

My crystal ball's off for repairs. Thought I'd see if anyone else had a 
functional one.

More seriously, I hoped that the people who are already on the TCS subscription 
might have got answers to this kind of question. Guess I should've mentioned 
that in my original post, sorry.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Fred Ridder  07/31/13 12:34 AM >>>
Nobody--including Adobe--can say with any certainty that perpetual licenses (as 
opposed to monthly or annual subscription licenses) will even exist in a couple 
of years. Do you think that anybody could have told you two years ago what the 
terms would be for a TCS subscription license today? If you know someone with a 
crystal ball that is that good, you should be asking them for stock tips and 
not fretting pointlessly about license policies that haven't yet been 
formulated.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:37:37 +1200
From: rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you goback to 
buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?





Hi everyone

I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame 
me at once).

Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership 
in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was 
released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or 
would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our 
upgrade chain.

Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the 
Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new 
version of Illustrator into the TCS?

Thanks!
Rebecca

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RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?

[rebecca officer]

My crystal ball's off for repairs. Thought I'd see if anyone else had a 
functional one.

More seriously, I hoped that the people who are already on the TCS subscription 
might have got answers to this kind of question. Guess I should've mentioned 
that in my original post, sorry.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Fred Ridder  07/31/13 12:34 AM >>>
Nobody--including Adobe--can say with any certainty that perpetual licenses (as 
opposed to monthly or annual subscription licenses) will even exist in a couple 
of years. Do you think that anybody could have told you two years ago what the 
terms would be for a TCS subscription license today? If you know someone with a 
crystal ball that is that good, you should be asking them for stock tips and 
not fretting pointlessly about license policies that haven't yet been 
formulated.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:37:37 +1200
From: rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you goback to 
buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?





Hi everyone
 
I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame 
me at once).
 
Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership 
in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was 
released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or 
would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our 
upgrade chain.
 
Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the 
Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new 
version of Illustrator into the TCS?
 
Thanks!
Rebecca
  
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Hi everyone
 
I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame 
me at once).
 
Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership 
in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was 
released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or 
would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our 
upgrade chain.
 
Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the 
Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new 
version of Illustrator into the TCS?
 
Thanks!
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[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame 
me at once).

Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership 
in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was 
released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or 
would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our 
upgrade chain.

Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the 
Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new 
version of Illustrator into the TCS?

Thanks!
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Re: DITA/docbook vs your own schema

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You can buy the electronic version from 
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&products_id=10.
 
I really like ebooks. I'm reading it already.
 
Thanks for your replies, everyone. It's been very helpful!
 
Rebecca

>>> Alan T Litchfield  10/07/13 15:31 >>>
Unfortunately, that book cannot be sold internationally by Amazon. :(

Alan

On 10/07/13 2:19 PM, Writer wrote:
> Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA.
>
> Nadine
>
>>
>> This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found 
>> that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to 
>> implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know 
>> about DITA, but all the basics are there.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433
>>
>> An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is 
>> not FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.)
>>
>> Craig
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You can buy the electronic version from 
http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_3&products_id=10.

I really like ebooks. I'm reading it already.

Thanks for your replies, everyone. It's been very helpful!

Rebecca

>>> Alan T Litchfield  10/07/13 15:31 >>>
Unfortunately, that book cannot be sold internationally by Amazon. :(

Alan

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> Agreed. That has been my go to book since I started using DITA.
>
> Nadine
>
>>
>> This is a really good book for getting experience in using DITA 1.2. I found 
>> that the sample application that is developed was very straightforward to 
>> implement in FrameMaker. It won't teach you everything you need to know 
>> about DITA, but all the basics are there.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-DITA-Second-Edition-Architecture/dp/0977863433
>>
>> An Arbortext specific version of this book also exists. (The one above is 
>> not FM specific, but it really doesn't need to be.)
>>
>> Craig
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Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook 
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The content maps reasonably well to DITA, but not perfectly. I'm trying to 
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Does anyone know of a nice, clear list of what you save by using DITA/docbook 
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Condition indicators not working in table rows

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Works for us. FM 10 doesn't tend to give us hash marks on conditioned
rows, it tends to give solid thick borders. But definitely clearly shows
if a row's conditioned. Doesn't show if a whole table is, except by
colouring the table anchor.

We use a mix of text colour and background for condition indicators.

Have you tried washing your files through MIF?

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Christenson, Pat"  4/07/13 03:29
>>>

Hi again ?

(I hope I?m not turning into a pest.)

I?m using FrameMaker 10. In earlier versions, when I applied a
condition to a table row, hatchmarks appeared when condition indicators
were turned on. This doesn?t seem to be the case in FrameMaker 10. I?ve
tried using a variety of combinations of color, style and background in
the condition definition and I can?t get any indication that a row is
conditionalized (or a whole table, for that matter).

Am I missing something here. I?ve checked, double-checked, and
triple-checked that condition indicators are on. They work perfectly
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Re: Condition indicators not working in table rows

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Works for us. FM 10 doesn't tend to give us hash marks on conditioned
rows, it tends to give solid thick borders. But definitely clearly shows
if a row's conditioned. Doesn't show if a whole table is, except by
colouring the table anchor.
 
We use a mix of text colour and background for condition indicators.
 
Have you tried washing your files through MIF?
 
Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Christenson, Pat"  4/07/13 03:29
>>>

Hi again –
 
(I hope I’m not turning into a pest.)
 
I’m using FrameMaker 10. In earlier versions, when I applied a
condition to a table row, hatchmarks appeared when condition indicators
were turned on. This doesn’t seem to be the case in FrameMaker 10. I’ve
tried using a variety of combinations of color, style and background in
the condition definition and I can’t get any indication that a row is
conditionalized (or a whole table, for that matter).
 
Am I missing something here. I’ve checked, double-checked, and
triple-checked that condition indicators are on. They work perfectly
with text.
 
Thanks.
 
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Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications
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Re: Initial size of Variables Pod in FM10

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I've got all my pods collapsed into a "menu" on the side. This means I only expand pods when I need them.  The variables pod acts like all the others from that point of view. When they're expanded, there seems to be a minimum width for a number of pods, including the variables. Really annoying!
 

Cheers
Rebecca>>> Böðvar Björgvinsson 30/06/13 04:16 >>>

Hi all,

I have been searching for a topic on whether it is possible to change the initial size of the Variables Pod in FM10, but not found it. 

I find it rather annoying to have the pod open at the bottom of the page every time taking up 20-25% of my document page. Is there a way to change this behaviour and have it open like most other pods?

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I've got all my pods collapsed into a "menu" on the side. This means I only 
expand pods when I need them.  The variables pod acts like all the others from 
that point of view. When they're expanded, there seems to be a minimum width 
for a number of pods, including the variables. Really annoying!

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> B??var Bj?rgvinsson 30/06/13 04:16 >>>

Hi all,


I have been searching for a topic on whether it is possible to change the 
initial size of the Variables Pod in FM10, but not found it. 


I find it rather annoying to have the pod open at the bottom of the page every 
time taking up 20-25% of my document page. Is there a way to change this 
behaviour and have it open like most other pods?


Thanks,
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Re: Correct Document Bookmarks that Override Book Bookmarks?

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If you open the book, select all the files in the book, and then set the 
bookmarks up, that should change the settings in every file.

Make sure that all your files contain all paragraph tags that're used in the 
book.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Karen Robbins  06/29/13 11:05 AM >>>
Listers,

I was glad to be reminded of the advice a lister posted not long ago about
setting PDF bookmarks for a book from the "save as PDF" set-up dialog to
make them permanent. But it appears that (erroneous or perhaps
default/legacy) bookmarks set in some of the book's individual files are
also getting picked up and creating lots of bookmarks I don't want.

Is there a quick, book-wide way to make sure file-level bookmarks don't
override book-level bookmarks? Or a way to apply one set to all files in
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If you open the book, select all the files in the book, and then set the 
bookmarks up, that should change the settings in every file.

Make sure that all your files contain all paragraph tags that're used in the 
book.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Karen Robbins  06/29/13 11:05 AM >>>
Listers,

I was glad to be reminded of the advice a lister posted not long ago about
setting PDF bookmarks for a book from the "save as PDF" set-up dialog to
make them permanent. But it appears that (erroneous or perhaps
default/legacy) bookmarks set in some of the book's individual files are
also getting picked up and creating lots of bookmarks I don't want.

Is there a quick, book-wide way to make sure file-level bookmarks don't
override book-level bookmarks? Or a way to apply one set to all files in
the book?

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Re: QUESTION: Accepting all changes in an FM9 book?

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Even in Frame 10, the Special menu isn't available when you've got a book file 
active. Try the View menu instead. It's got the Track Text Edits option you're 
after.
 
You might need to select all the files in the book. Or might not - just raising 
the possibility.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Anjaneai S  13/06/13 14:02 >>>
Hi Grant,

Please check if it gives you Accept All under Special Menu -- Track Text Edits. 

Sorry, I am unable to recall whether the interface options are same for 
FrameMaker 9 as for 10 & 11.

Thanks,
Anjaneai


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having to open each file? 
I seem to recall that one can do this, but neither my memory nor searches are 
coming up with the answer. 


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[rebecca officer]

Even in Frame 10, the Special menu isn't available when you've got a book file 
active. Try the View menu instead. It's got the Track Text Edits option you're 
after.

You might need to select all the files in the book. Or might not - just raising 
the possibility.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Anjaneai S  13/06/13 14:02 >>>
Hi Grant,

Please check if it gives you Accept All under Special Menu -- Track Text Edits. 

Sorry, I am unable to recall whether the interface options are same for 
FrameMaker 9 as for 10 & 11.

Thanks,
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Does anyone know how to accept all of the tracked edits in a book without 
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I seem to recall that one can do this, but neither my memory nor searches are 
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FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

[rebecca officer]

Yes, you should only have to do the remapping once per chapter even if the 
graphics files are on a different drive ... if all the graphics are in a single 
folder. If they aren't, you have to do it once per chapter per folder. If 
you've got lots of graphics folders, that's a right pain. If possible, I'd move 
all the graphics into one folder.

If your graphics' source folder changes multiple times in a file, FM will try 
to get you to pick the source folder for each graphic in turn. It's quicker to 
point the first missing graphic to the correct location (say folder1), then 
skip the rest of the missing graphics. FM will fix all references to folder1. 
Then save the file, close it, reopen it, and repeat for folder2 etc.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Lise Bible  15/05/13 08:12 >>>
I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for 
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the first 
one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files are 
both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the graphics 
files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has to navigate to 
the "root" of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:


I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is 
where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to the 
same letter.

I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that 
FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never* kept 
files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I know that 
this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the referenced files 
rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's not always possible 
when using any files that are shared among multiple documents) I have always 
kept all files for any given document in subdirectories within the same branch 
of my directory structure. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
> From: jowens at magma.ca
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: 
> nightmare alley

> 
> You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> > Dear Framers:
> > I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> > I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> > To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> > reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> > reassigned or re-named.
> > Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit machine
> > with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> > annual pdf project.
> > Finally I opened the book of books.
> > Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
> > 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> > However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> > So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
> >
> > My questions are
> > How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> > How did this happen?
> > Has anybody experienced this?
> > Is there anything else I can do
> > Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > Rob Shell
> > Windows Seven 64 bit
> > TCS 4
> > CS4
> > 4 GB RAM
> > 3 TB hd
> >
> >
> >
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Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: nightmare alley

[rebecca officer]

Yes, you should only have to do the remapping once per chapter even if the 
graphics files are on a different drive ... if all the graphics are in a single 
folder. If they aren't, you have to do it once per chapter per folder. If 
you've got lots of graphics folders, that's a right pain. If possible, I'd move 
all the graphics into one folder.
 
If your graphics' source folder changes multiple times in a file, FM will try 
to get you to pick the source folder for each graphic in turn. It's quicker to 
point the first missing graphic to the correct location (say folder1), then 
skip the rest of the missing graphics. FM will fix all references to folder1. 
Then save the file, close it, reopen it, and repeat for folder2 etc.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Lise Bible  15/05/13 08:12 >>>
I recall that when I've had Frame files (that had been moved) looking for 
graphics in a certain directory and couldn't find them, if I pointed the first 
one to the correct directory, it found the rest in that same directory.
Now, caveats being that in my case, the frame files and the graphics files are 
both on sub-directories of the same network drive name, and all the graphics 
files are in one folder, so I don't know if this works if it has to navigate to 
the "root" of a different drive, as Fred references below.
-Lise

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Fred Ridder  wrote:


I don't think this will work because Rob already has an H: drive, which is 
where his FM files are. You can't assign two drives (or two partitions) to the 
same letter.

I think his only option is moving the directories to the drive letter that 
FrameMaker is expecting to use. But I'm not sure because I have *never* kept 
files for any FrameMaker project in more than one partition because I know that 
this practice forces FrameMaker to use absolute paths to the referenced files 
rather than relative paths. As much as possible (and it's not always possible 
when using any files that are shared among multiple documents) I have always 
kept all files for any given document in subdirectories within the same branch 
of my directory structure. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:21:36 -0400
> From: jow...@magma.ca
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FrameMaker 11 and referenced graphics pointing to wrong drive: 
> nightmare alley

> 
> You may be able to change the letters assigned to your drives. See 
> http://pcsupport.about.com/od/windows7/ht/change-drive-letters-windows-7.htm
> 
> 
> On 2013-05-14 14:38, Rob Shell wrote:
> > Dear Framers:
> > I wonder if anyone out there has experienced this.
> > I upgraded windows 7 32 bit to 64 bit.
> > To do this I had to do a clean reinstall on the C: drive which meant
> > reinstalling every single bit of software including TC4. No drives were
> > reassigned or re-named.
> > Everything went well -- and three days later -- I had my new 64 bit machine
> > with 8 gigs of Ram. All this was done to facilitate one big 10,000 page
> > annual pdf project.
> > Finally I opened the book of books.
> > Everything opened well but every single graphic (all referenced, all under
> > 250kb) was now referenced to the H: where the FM texts reside.
> > However, all the graphics files really reside on the G: drive.
> > So now I have 1,000 graphics files which are mis-referenced.
> >
> > My questions are
> > How can I restore the proper drive letter in object properties?
> > How did this happen?
> > Has anybody experienced this?
> > Is there anything else I can do
> > Perhaps if I copy the G: directories to H: the problems will go away.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > Rob Shell
> > Windows Seven 64 bit
> > TCS 4
> > CS4
> > 4 GB RAM
> > 3 TB hd
> >
> >
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Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[rebecca officer]

Hi Jeremy

Did you consider expanding LaTeX?

A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong 
unstructured FM alternative.

It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not 
easy, but good.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Jeremy H. Griffith"  12/05/13 12:54 >>>
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer 
 wrote:

>I say we start a new company and create a competitor 
>to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?

Well... we've had one on the back burner for several 
years now.  Basically it's an Open Source GPL project,
so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and
plugins independently installable for most of the
functionality.  We called it "Omni 2.0", after the
very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented 
editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar).

If there really is much interest, we can set it up
as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a
couple of others on SourceForge).  We're not set on
that name, or on much of anything else except GPL.

Greed doesn't always have to win out...  ;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

[rebecca officer]

Hi Jeremy
 
Did you consider expanding LaTeX?
 
A fully-featured reliable wysiwyg interface for LaTeX could be a strong 
unstructured FM alternative.
 
It's years since I used LaTeX much but I found it pretty good when I did. Not 
easy, but good.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Jeremy H. Griffith"  12/05/13 12:54 >>>
On Sat, 11 May 2013 11:33:13 -0700 (PDT), Writer 
 wrote:

>I say we start a new company and create a competitor 
>to FrameMaker! Who's with me? Anyone? Anyone?

Well... we've had one on the back burner for several 
years now.  Basically it's an Open Source GPL project,
so zero financing needed, with a very basic core and
plugins independently installable for most of the
functionality.  We called it "Omni 2.0", after the
very first product I wrote, the first screen-oriented 
editor ever on CP/M 1.4 on 8080 (way before WordStar).

If there really is much interest, we can set it up
as a SourceForge project pretty easily (we have a
couple of others on SourceForge).  We're not set on
that name, or on much of anything else except GPL.

Greed doesn't always have to win out...  ;-)

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Selecting Colours for Conditions

[rebecca officer]

Hi Alison

We're dealing with something similar by using conditions with colored text for 
product variations and conditions wiith background shading for feature 
variations. You could give your short/advanced conditions background shading 
instead of colored text. 

Cheers
Rebecca 

>>> Alison Craig  20/04/13 04:39 >>>

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my original Conditions are for a very different 
purpose than what you describe.

We have 5 different hardware platforms for our medical device, but a large 
portion of the book is common to all platforms. Currently, my Conditions cover 
the differences between the platforms ? and many times, the same info will 
pertain to only 1 or perhaps 2, 3 or 4 platforms, but not all five. By 
definition, those Conditions overlap.

I am now having to devise Short and Advanced versions of the book. Up to 95% of 
this will be covered by the inclusion/exclusion of Chapters and Appendices in a 
new book, but a small amount of content within the book files themselves will 
have to conditionalized as Short or Advanced. 

I was hoping to save a little time, but I guess that?s not possible.

As for overlapping Conditions ending up as magenta, I did have some of that 
problem, but I also had a problem with muddy blues and the khaki issue you 
mention. That?s why it took so long to determine the correct mix of colours in 
the first place ? especially as I used to cover 6 platforms in one book, not 
just the 5 I currently do.

Alison

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of B??var Bj?rgvinsson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:00 AM
To: Helen Borrie
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Selecting Colours for Conditions

Great, Helen.

Another way of doing it might have been to create colors under the names of the 
condition names: eOnly, Print1, etc. That way you would not have to remember 
any color names or to which condition each color applied.

Cheers,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson







On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Helen Borrie  wrote:
At 09:17 a.m. 19/04/2013, Alison Craig wrote:
>Content-Language: en-US
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>
> boundary="_000_17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30CC5A15342exchangeultra_"
>
>FM 9 Version: 9.0p255
>Unstructured
>OS: Windows 7, 64 bit
>
>Does anyone know if any kind of ?guide? exists regarding the best colours to 
>choose when creating Conditions?
>
>When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see 
>how colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text 
>(lots of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the 
>combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn?t make sense 
>to use colours in the first place if I couldn?t tell where one combo stopped 
>and the next one started.
>
>I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don?t 
>have a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of 
>guide, I?d really love to see it ? if you?re willing to share.
Recently I broke up a very large eBook into three volumes for print.  It's the 
first time I've using conditionals seriously.  I followed the advice in Sarah 
O'Keefe's book and avoided having overlapping conditions.  I had to play around 
a bit until I got useful contrasts.

The book said that FM would show all overlapping conditions as magenta so it 
would be a good idea to avoid assigning magenta to a particular condition.  In 
fact, I never saw magenta at all;  all the overlaps that I had in my initial 
scheme (subsequently abandoned) came through as a sort of khaki when I did the 
conditionals for the first chapter.  That's when I decided Sarah was right and 
I should not try to piggyback the same conditions.

The scheme I ended up with was five conditions: eOnly, printOnly, Print1, 
Print2 and Print3.  (I have a navigation scheme built into the e-Version, which 
was not appropriate for the print books. The book will never have an omnibus 
print edition as it is wy too large.)

I picked the brightest possible high-contrast colours for the five conditions 
(avoiding magenta by Sarah's advice and blue because the Silicon Prairie 
indexing tools use blue for index markers.  I also avoided red because Fm8 
seems to use it as a warning when conditions conflict in some way.)  I think I 
had forest green for eOnly, green for Print1, cyan for Print2, salmon for 
Print3 and dark blue for printOnly.

On thing I did find was that it is very easy to change the entire colour 
scheme.  Once I had it pinned down, I just kept a card by me with the colours 
on it, so I didn't have to think about it when repeatedly swapping condition 
markers between {a colour} and {As Is}.

HTH, maybe a little bit, anyway...
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RE: Selecting Colours for Conditions

[rebecca officer]

Hi Alison
 
We're dealing with something similar by using conditions with colored text for product variations and conditions wiith background shading for feature variations. You could give your short/advanced conditions background shading instead of colored text. 
 
Cheers
Rebecca >>> Alison Craig  20/04/13 04:39 >>>

Thanks guys. Unfortunately, my original Conditions are for a very different purpose than what you describe.
 
We have 5 different hardware platforms for our medical device, but a large portion of the book is common to all platforms. Currently, my Conditions cover the differences between the platforms – and many times, the same info will pertain to only 1 or perhaps 2, 3 or 4 platforms, but not all five. By definition, those Conditions overlap.
 
I am now having to devise Short and Advanced versions of the book. Up to 95% of this will be covered by the inclusion/exclusion of Chapters and Appendices in a new book, but a small amount of content within the book files themselves will have to conditionalized as Short or Advanced. 
 
I was hoping to save a little time, but I guess that’s not possible.
 
As for overlapping Conditions ending up as magenta, I did have some of that problem, but I also had a problem with muddy blues and the khaki issue you mention. That’s why it took so long to determine the correct mix of colours in the first place – especially as I used to cover 6 platforms in one book, not just the 5 I currently do.
 
Alison
 
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Böðvar BjörgvinssonSent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:00 AMTo: Helen BorrieCc: framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: Re: Selecting Colours for Conditions
 

Great, Helen.

 

Another way of doing it might have been to create colors under the names of the condition names: eOnly, Print1, etc. That way you would not have to remember any color names or to which condition each color applied.

 

Cheers,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

 








 

 
 

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, Helen Borrie  wrote:
At 09:17 a.m. 19/04/2013, Alison Craig wrote:>Content-Language: en-US>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;>        boundary="_000_17474827509158478EE10BC6B977A3E30CC5A15342exchangeultra_"

>>FM 9 Version: 9.0p255>Unstructured>OS: Windows 7, 64 bit>>Does anyone know if any kind of “guide” exists regarding the best colours to choose when creating Conditions?>>When I initially set up my Conditions, I spent a lot of time testing to see how colours blended when I had multiple Conditions applied to the same text (lots of combos ended up being virtually identical onscreen even though the combination of underlying colours were quite different). It didn’t make sense to use colours in the first place if I couldn’t tell where one combo stopped and the next one started.>>I now have to add 2 new conditions (on a tight deadline) so I really don’t have a lot of time to test things. If someone has put together some kind of guide, I’d really love to see it – if you’re willing to share.
Recently I broke up a very large eBook into three volumes for print.  It's the first time I've using conditionals seriously.  I followed the advice in Sarah O'Keefe's book and avoided having overlapping conditions.  I had to play around a bit until I got useful contrasts.The book said that FM would show all overlapping conditions as magenta so it would be a good idea to avoid assigning magenta to a particular condition.  In fact, I never saw magenta at all;  all the overlaps that I had in my initial scheme (subsequently abandoned) came through as a sort of khaki when I did the conditionals for the first chapter.  That's when I decided Sarah was right and I should not try to piggyback the same conditions.The scheme I ended up with was five conditions: eOnly, printOnly, Print1, Print2 and Print3.  (I have a navigation scheme built into the e-Version, which was not appropriate for the print books. The book will never have an omnibus print edition as it is wy too large.)I picked the brightest possible high-contrast colours for the five conditions (avoiding magenta by Sarah's advice and blue because the Silicon Prairie indexing tools use blue for index markers.  I also avoided red because Fm8 seems to use it as a warning when conditions conflict in some way.)  I think I had forest green for eOnly, green for Print1, cyan for Print2, salmon for Print3 and dark blue for printOnly.On thing I did find was that it is very easy to change the entire colour scheme.  Once I had it pinned down, I just kept a card by me with the colours on it, so I didn't have to think about it when repeatedly swapping condition markers between {a colour} and {As Is}.HTH, maybe a little bit, anyway...Helen___You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsub

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[rebecca officer]

Hi Tammy

have you tried washing them through MIF?

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Tammy Van Boening"  2/04/13 14:10 >>>

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:

Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online only.  
The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything (files 
and graphics) are stored on my hard drive. 
All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing 
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard Combs).
Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.

Thanks!

TVB


From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'framers'
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



Tammy,



What type of graphic(s) are involved???



.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs



note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.



and you will probably want 300dpi for best results



and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.



i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,



but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.



size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.



changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.



if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro







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From: Tammy Van Boening ( mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com ) 

To: 'framers' ( mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com ) 

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.
This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time, 
and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 
I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.
TIA,
TVB

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[rebecca officer]

Hi Tammy
 
have you tried washing them through MIF?
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Tammy Van Boening"  2/04/13 14:10 >>>

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:
 
Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online only.  
The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything (files 
and graphics) are stored on my hard drive. 
All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing 
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard Combs).
Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.
 
Thanks!
 
TVB
 

From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'framers'
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

Tammy,

 

What type of graphic(s) are involved???

 

.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs

 

note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.

 

and you will probably want 300dpi for best results

 

and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.

 

i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,

 

but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.

 

size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.

 

changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.

 

if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro

 

 



- Original Message - 

From: Tammy Van Boening ( mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com ) 

To: 'framers' ( mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com ) 

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.
This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time, 
and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 
I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.
TIA,
TVB

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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

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If your system's too pinned down to install a plug-in, AND you know the names of all those styles you want rid of, AND you've got a decent text editor, then you can do this on bulk MIF files.
 
It'd pay to search the FM files first to make sure no text is using any of the old styles.
 
Then back up everything
 
Then convert all your FM files to MIF, open the MIF files in bulk, figure out the paragraph catalog lines for your unwanted styles, and use global search and replace across all your files to remove those catalog entries.
 
Did I mention you want to back everything up first?
 
Cheers
Rebecca>>> John Posada  20/03/13 13:44 >>>
Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down environment and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin require the installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to carry this conversation off-list.
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I've used Rick Quatro's excellent affordable plug-ins in producing my FM11 book, and for other clients.






















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Need to get my FM11 styles under control

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Hi John

If your system's too pinned down to install a plug-in, AND you know the names 
of all those styles you want rid of, AND you've got a decent text editor, then 
you can do this on bulk MIF files.

It'd pay to search the FM files first to make sure no text is using any of the 
old styles.

Then back up everything

Then convert all your FM files to MIF, open the MIF files in bulk, figure out 
the paragraph catalog lines for your unwanted styles, and use global search and 
replace across all your files to remove those catalog entries.

Did I mention you want to back everything up first?

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> John Posada  20/03/13 13:44 >>>

Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down environment 
and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin require the 
installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to carry this 
conversation off-list.
On Mar 19, 2013 7:13 PM, "Matt Sullivan"  wrote:

I've used Rick Quatro's excellent affordable plug-ins in producing my FM11 
book, and for other clients.


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Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
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styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
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modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then import
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files that aren't in the control document.

How do you go about doing this?

John Posada

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Incorporating external documents containing tables, into a book

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Hi John

Ugh. I assume you need consecutive page numbering, bookwide TOC, links, 
bookmarks etc?

I don't know a good solution, but one ugly workaround is to combine the files 
at the PDF stage instead of the FM stage.

To do this, you'd futz the page numbering in Word so each file started on the 
desired page, create 8-page FM "placeholder" chapters in the FM book, make your 
PDFs from FM and Word, use Acrobat to replace the "placeholder" pages with the 
correct pages, and manually fix links and bookmarks.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>>  8/03/13 08:08 >>>
Hi, guys...long time.


Anyway...I have a book that when printed, comes out at over 900 pages and
is composed of about 300 files.


I have 25 8-page documents that I created in Word that I need to include in
the book. I can supply them in either Word or PDF. However, the issue is
that each Word document is a single table with tables inside of the tables
and they don't come into the FM well because FM doesn't break rows between
pages..and since each 8 page document is one table (PLEASE don't ask...its
a battle I've been fighting since October), the eight pages just run down
off the bottom of the first imported page.


Any ideas? I also have the issue of working in a locked down environment,
so installing other software is not an option. BTW...I'm on FM11.


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Re: Incorporating external documents containing tables, into a book

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Hi John
 
Ugh. I assume you need consecutive page numbering, bookwide TOC, links, 
bookmarks etc?
 
I don't know a good solution, but one ugly workaround is to combine the files 
at the PDF stage instead of the FM stage.
 
To do this, you'd futz the page numbering in Word so each file started on the 
desired page, create 8-page FM "placeholder" chapters in the FM book, make your 
PDFs from FM and Word, use Acrobat to replace the "placeholder" pages with the 
correct pages, and manually fix links and bookmarks.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>>  8/03/13 08:08 >>>
Hi, guys...long time.


Anyway...I have a book that when printed, comes out at over 900 pages and
is composed of about 300 files.


I have 25 8-page documents that I created in Word that I need to include in
the book. I can supply them in either Word or PDF. However, the issue is
that each Word document is a single table with tables inside of the tables
and they don't come into the FM well because FM doesn't break rows between
pages..and since each 8 page document is one table (PLEASE don't ask...its
a battle I've been fighting since October), the eight pages just run down
off the bottom of the first imported page.


Any ideas? I also have the issue of working in a locked down environment,
so installing other software is not an option. BTW...I'm on FM11.


John Posada

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Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

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Hi Shelly

Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.

In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a
separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator).
In our FM file, we put a "holding" page. Once we've made the final PDF
from Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the
real cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Shelly Schneider"  6/03/13 17:56 >>>

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I
have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no
issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new
64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps
using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page
frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled
throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a
jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 

I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while,
but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has
anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won?t require me
to replace the cover art in all my docs?

I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview,
and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview
prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray
boxes, so I?ll use that if necessary.

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Re: Save as PDF hangs FrameMaker 11, with PDF cover art

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Hi Shelly
 
Sounds like you've got a solution, which is great.
 
In case you or others are interested, we deal with covers by making a
separate 1-page PDF from the graphics program (currently Illustrator).
In our FM file, we put a "holding" page. Once we've made the final PDF
from Framemaker, we use Acrobat Pro to replace the holding page with the
real cover page, which takes a few seconds to do.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Shelly Schneider"  6/03/13 17:56 >>>

I have cover art using a PDF file. The cover bleeds on all edges. I
have been using this from at least Frame 7 up through Frame 10, with no
issues. My company purchased FrameMaker 11 and Acrobat Pro 11 for a new
64 bit computer.  Frame hangs when I try to Save as PDF or  print to .ps
using the Adobe PDF printer, both with the latest updates.  A one-page
frame file with just the cover will hang. Other, smaller  pdfs sprinkled
throughout my docs cause no problems. If I replace the cover art with a
jpg or png file, I can make a pdf, but the quality is not the same. 
 
I reported this to Adobe support, and they worked with me for a while,
but they were unable to reproduce the problem, so that was no help. Has
anyone else had this problem and found a solution that won’t require me
to replace the cover art in all my docs?
 
I finally found that I can save the cover art as eps with a preview,
and get an excellent quality pdf using the eps art. Yay! And the preview
prevents Frame from displaying eps files as those off-putting gray
boxes, so I’ll use that if necessary.
 
Thank you!!
Shelly Schneider
 

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Distiller changes page sizes at will

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Hi Tom

Have you tried importing the page settings from chapter 9 into chapters 2-8?

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Thomas Scalise  6/03/13 08:08 >>>

Esteemed colleagues,

I am running FrameMaker 10 and Adobe Distiller 11 on WIN 7 Professional. I have 
a simple manual with a Title Page, a TOC, and 11 chapters. The manual is in A4 
size. I have created, and use, Distiller job options for the A4 page size.

When I make a PDF ( using  Save as PDF), the Title page, the TOC, and Chapters 
1, 9 10, and 11 all format correctly. Chapters 2-8, however, format with the 
top of the page trimmed off (the page size reverts to 8.5 X 11). The same thing 
happens if I Print the manual to a postscript file and run the Distiller 
against that file.

I should say that using the same Distiller settings against another A4 manual, 
the results are completely correct. No shorter pages in the PDF.

Has anyone faced this problem? I have not seen it before, and I have made PDFs 
from many A4 size manuals. It looks as though starting with Chapter 2 the page 
size is changed in the Distiller to 8.5 X 11 and then changed back to A4 
starting with Chapter 9. Is there something that I have inadvertently done in 
those chapters that is causing this Distiller behavior? To my knowledge I have 
done nothing different in FrameMaker than I have done before in creating a 
manual (nothing I am aware of, at any rate).

I came here rather than going to the Adobe forums, which are byzantine in 
access and glacial in pace. Thanks is advance for any help you can give.

Tom

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Re: Distiller changes page sizes at will

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Hi Tom
 
Have you tried importing the page settings from chapter 9 into chapters 2-8?
 
Cheers
Rebecca>>> Thomas Scalise  6/03/13 08:08 >>>

Esteemed colleagues,
 
I am running FrameMaker 10 and Adobe Distiller 11 on WIN 7 Professional. I have a simple manual with a Title Page, a TOC, and 11 chapters. The manual is in A4 size. I have created, and use, Distiller job options for the A4 page size.
 
When I make a PDF ( using  Save as PDF), the Title page, the TOC, and Chapters 1, 9 10, and 11 all format correctly. Chapters 2-8, however, format with the top of the page trimmed off (the page size reverts to 8.5 X 11). The same thing happens if I Print the manual to a postscript file and run the Distiller against that file.
 
I should say that using the same Distiller settings against another A4 manual, the results are completely correct. No shorter pages in the PDF.
 
Has anyone faced this problem? I have not seen it before, and I have made PDFs from many A4 size manuals. It looks as though starting with Chapter 2 the page size is changed in the Distiller to 8.5 X 11 and then changed back to A4 starting with Chapter 9. Is there something that I have inadvertently done in those chapters that is causing this Distiller behavior? To my knowledge I have done nothing different in FrameMaker than I have done before in creating a manual (nothing I am aware of, at any rate).
 
I came here rather than going to the Adobe forums, which are byzantine in access and glacial in pace. Thanks is advance for any help you can give.
 
Tom
 
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Cross Match Technologies, Inc.
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Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
U.S.A.

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Reappearing Change Bars

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Do any of the character or paragraph styles have change bars set?

Very strange if they're in the PDF but not in the Frame file! Have you tried 
Ctrl-L on the Frame file to see if that refreshes the display and makes them 
visible?

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Re: Reappearing Change Bars

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Do any of the character or paragraph styles have change bars set?

Very strange if they're in the PDF but not in the Frame file! Have you tried 
Ctrl-L on the Frame file to see if that refreshes the display and makes them 
visible?

Good luck
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FrameMaker 11 Text Frame Bug

[rebecca officer]

Hi Rick

have you tried removing the Tag value in the MIF file? I haven't got FM11 so 
can't test this myself.

It'd be a seriously annoying workaround but better than no workaround at all!

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Rick Quatro"  27/02/13 07:51 >>>
I found an another annoying bug in FrameMaker 11. You can't remove the Tag
property from a text frame. To reproduce it, follow these steps:

1) Create a new Portrait document.
2) Choose View > Master Pages.
3) Use the TextFrame tool to draw out a small text frame on the master page.
When prompted, choose Template for Body Page Text Frame, and type in "B" for
the Flow Tag.
4) With the new text frame still selected, right+click on it and choose
Object Properties.
5) Delete the B from the Flow Tag text field and click Apply.

When you choose Object Properties again, you will see that the Flow Tag
remains. You can't delete it like you can in FrameMaker 10 and earlier
versions.

This is a big problem that needs to be fixed right away.

Rick Quatro
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585-283-5045
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Re: FrameMaker 11 Text Frame Bug

[rebecca officer]

Hi Rick
 
have you tried removing the Tag value in the MIF file? I haven't got FM11 so 
can't test this myself.
 
It'd be a seriously annoying workaround but better than no workaround at all!
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Rick Quatro"  27/02/13 07:51 >>>
I found an another annoying bug in FrameMaker 11. You can't remove the Tag
property from a text frame. To reproduce it, follow these steps:

1) Create a new Portrait document.
2) Choose View > Master Pages.
3) Use the TextFrame tool to draw out a small text frame on the master page.
When prompted, choose Template for Body Page Text Frame, and type in "B" for
the Flow Tag.
4) With the new text frame still selected, right+click on it and choose
Object Properties.
5) Delete the B from the Flow Tag text field and click Apply.

When you choose Object Properties again, you will see that the Flow Tag
remains. You can't delete it like you can in FrameMaker 10 and earlier
versions.

This is a big problem that needs to be fixed right away.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

[rebecca officer]

Is each piece of unwanted text tagged with only one condition? If so, take a 
copy of the file, then delete each unwanted condition. You get a choice of 
deleting the text that's tagged with that condition, or making it 
unconditional. Choose to delete it.

If it's tagged with multiple conditions, that's more painful. We've got a 
scripted solution but I wouldn't trust it outside our fileset. You could use 
search and replace to search for that condition and replace with a blank. Not 
sure if that'd work, but it might be worth playing with.

Cheers
Rebecca 

>>> Jaime Zuniga  26/02/13 11:19 >>>

Hi,

Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text? I have an FM 10 
file with conditional text, which is getting imported into my translations 
program. I am looking for a way to delete that text prior to importing for 
translation.

Thanks,
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Re: Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text?

[rebecca officer]

Is each piece of unwanted text tagged with only one condition? If so, take a 
copy of the file, then delete each unwanted condition. You get a choice of 
deleting the text that's tagged with that condition, or making it 
unconditional. Choose to delete it.
 
If it's tagged with multiple conditions, that's more painful. We've got a 
scripted solution but I wouldn't trust it outside our fileset. You could use 
search and replace to search for that condition and replace with a blank. Not 
sure if that'd work, but it might be worth playing with.
 
Cheers
Rebecca 

>>> Jaime Zuniga  26/02/13 11:19 >>>

Hi,
 
Is there a way to select or delete specific conditional text? I have an FM 10 
file with conditional text, which is getting imported into my translations 
program. I am looking for a way to delete that text prior to importing for 
translation.
 
Thanks,
Jaime
 

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switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[rebecca officer]

> What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you
switched from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way
to handle that?

Variables. Then just define each variable as having the UK spelling in
your A4 template and the US spelling in your letter template.

The only painful thing is that you may have to define two variables per
word to capture cases with and without caps (e.g. "colour" and
"Colour").

I'd be asking the decision maker whether it's really worth it to
customise the spelling. Will it really affect your sales or reputation?

Another question is whether the product interface spelling changes with
location. You'd want to match it in the docs. We use US spelling
globally, in both the interface and the docs. No-one's ever complained.

Cheers
Rebecca 


>>> Alison Craig  22/02/13 07:11 >>>

Here?s a ?what if? scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing
issue (clever solution Nadine ? I?ll keep that in mind for my Service
Manual)? 

What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched
from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle
that?

Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size ?fudge? for
switching between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?

Alison


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Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same
book?



You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are
separate from the book and separate from each other). One template file
is 8.5 x 11, and the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes
(paragraph styles, character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the
first template when you want to create a PDF for the US market. Once
that's complete, apply the second template to the book to create the PDF
for the European market.



Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings
(that is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and
then generate two different outputs.



Nadine






From: Lise Bible 
To: Post Framers  
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same
book?


Fellow Framers,

I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by
this list's members to be quite helpful!



I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
American market or European.

This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
8.5x11 (US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it
might need to be A4-sized for the European market.



Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?



I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.




Thanks,

Lise

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RE: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same book?

[rebecca officer]

> What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you
switched from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way
to handle that?
 
Variables. Then just define each variable as having the UK spelling in
your A4 template and the US spelling in your letter template.
 
The only painful thing is that you may have to define two variables per
word to capture cases with and without caps (e.g. "colour" and
"Colour").
 
I'd be asking the decision maker whether it's really worth it to
customise the spelling. Will it really affect your sales or reputation?
 
Another question is whether the product interface spelling changes with
location. You'd want to match it in the docs. We use US spelling
globally, in both the interface and the docs. No-one's ever complained.
 
Cheers
Rebecca 


>>> Alison Craig  22/02/13 07:11 >>>

Here’s a “what if” scenario to layer on top of the Letter vs A4 sizing
issue (clever solution Nadine – I’ll keep that in mind for my Service
Manual)… 
 
What if you also had to switch from US to UK spelling when you switched
from Letter to A4? What would be the most straightforward way to handle
that?
 
Also, does anyone know the equivalent custom paper size “fudge” for
switching between Tabloid (11x17) and the closest European paper size?
 
Alison
 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 8:44 AM
To: Lise Bible; Post Framers
Subject: Re: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same
book?

 

You could try creating two separate templates (in FM files that are
separate from the book and separate from each other). One template file
is 8.5 x 11, and the other is A4. Both can contain all other attributes
(paragraph styles, character styles, colour definitions, etc). Apply the
first template when you want to create a PDF for the US market. Once
that's complete, apply the second template to the book to create the PDF
for the European market.

 

Alternatively, you could use a processor that ignores your FM settings
(that is, you would set up all your formatting in the processor), and
then generate two different outputs.

 

Nadine



 


From: Lise Bible 
To: Post Framers  
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 10:57:12 AM
Subject: switch between 8.5x11 and A4 sized pages within the same
book?

 
Fellow Framers,

I'm mostly a lurker, but have found the wealth of knowledge shared by
this list's members to be quite helpful!

 

I have a manual (I'm on Frame 8) in which I've used conditional text to
show/hide tables, text, parts lists depending on if it's for the
American market or European.

This manual originated for a US-made product so it started life with
8.5x11 (US-letter size) pages. And it didn't even occur to me that it
might need to be A4-sized for the European market.

 

Is there a good way to switch back and forth between A4 and 8.5x11 page
sizes, depending on which version of a book you want to print?

 

I have the sneaking suspicion that I will have to break this into two
separate books, but I figured I'd ask to see if anyone had
recommendations.


 

Thanks,

Lise

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FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

[rebecca officer]

Hi Helen

Our books end up with thousands of hidden unresolved xrefs and they've never 
been a problem.

If I'm reading this right, your TOC etc won't update, and you're blaming the 
hidden unresolved xrefs. Right?

I think the hidden unresolved xrefs probably aren't the problem. What evidence 
do you have that they are? Ie, exactly what errors does FM throw when you try 
and do the update? Generated files can be a pain for a whole bunch of reasons.

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> Helen Borrie  21/02/13 09:17 >>>
At 11:42 p.m. 20/02/2013, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated 
>whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved.

I was hoping that would be so, but so far it is not.  I'll persevere because 
I'm not keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater by breaking the main 
book.  The page (re)numbering is good, the conditionals work.  I just can't get 
the update process to ignore the hidden unresolved cross-refs.  I guess there's 
something I'm not seeing yet, to explain why the TOC and the index won't update.

Thanks,
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Frame 11 Appearance

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I actually raised this as a bug with Adobe when I first saw FM11. It's worse 
than just ugly for me; that drop-shadow's a bit of a migraine trigger. I'm 
really hoping they'll make it optional!

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Carol J. Elkins"  02/21/13 7:57 AM >>>
I'm so glad other people have commented about their dislike of this 
"feature." I hate it too. But it isn't that the text isn't sharp, 
it's that it has a white drop-shadow. Adobe, please make this go away 
on the next version or tell us if we can change it ourselves. It has 
made it very difficult to read the text in my tabs.

Carol

At 11:00 AM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: Frame 11 Appearance
>Message: 17
>
>Under Edit > Preferences you can select the monitor size. That might 
>sharpen the text on the tabs.
>
>
>Regards,
>Shmuel Wolfson
>052-763-7133
>On 20-Feb-13 3:50 PM, Joel wrote:
>>I am on Windows 7, using Frame 11.
>>Ever since moving to Win 7 and Frame 11, the appearance of my tabs 
>>is really ugly. For example:
>>
>>Not sure if you can tell from this, but the fonts are highlighted 
>>and shadowed in a strange way. Does anyone know if this is a Frame 
>>or a Windows setting? Changing Windows settings hasn't seemed to 
>>affect this. Thanks,
>>
>>Joel

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Re: FM8 u/s: Conditional cross-refs

[rebecca officer]

Hi Helen
 
Our books end up with thousands of hidden unresolved xrefs and they've never 
been a problem.
 
If I'm reading this right, your TOC etc won't update, and you're blaming the 
hidden unresolved xrefs. Right?
 
I think the hidden unresolved xrefs probably aren't the problem. What evidence 
do you have that they are? Ie, exactly what errors does FM throw when you try 
and do the update? Generated files can be a pain for a whole bunch of reasons.
 
Cheers
Rebecca


>>> Helen Borrie  21/02/13 09:17 >>>
At 11:42 p.m. 20/02/2013, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>Are you sure it's not generating the TOC and index? It thought Frame updated 
>whatever it could, even if some things were unresolved.

I was hoping that would be so, but so far it is not.  I'll persevere because 
I'm not keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater by breaking the main 
book.  The page (re)numbering is good, the conditionals work.  I just can't get 
the update process to ignore the hidden unresolved cross-refs.  I guess there's 
something I'm not seeing yet, to explain why the TOC and the index won't update.

Thanks,
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Re: Frame 11 Appearance

[rebecca officer]

Hi everyone

I actually raised this as a bug with Adobe when I first saw FM11. It's worse 
than just ugly for me; that drop-shadow's a bit of a migraine trigger. I'm 
really hoping they'll make it optional!

Cheers
Rebecca


>>> "Carol J. Elkins"  02/21/13 7:57 AM >>>
I'm so glad other people have commented about their dislike of this 
"feature." I hate it too. But it isn't that the text isn't sharp, 
it's that it has a white drop-shadow. Adobe, please make this go away 
on the next version or tell us if we can change it ourselves. It has 
made it very difficult to read the text in my tabs.

Carol

At 11:00 AM 2/20/2013, you wrote:
>Subject: Re: Frame 11 Appearance
>Message: 17
>
>Under Edit > Preferences you can select the monitor size. That might 
>sharpen the text on the tabs.
>
>
>Regards,
>Shmuel Wolfson
>052-763-7133
>On 20-Feb-13 3:50 PM, Joel wrote:
>>I am on Windows 7, using Frame 11.
>>Ever since moving to Win 7 and Frame 11, the appearance of my tabs 
>>is really ugly. For example:
>>
>>Not sure if you can tell from this, but the fonts are highlighted 
>>and shadowed in a strange way. Does anyone know if this is a Frame 
>>or a Windows setting? Changing Windows settings hasn't seemed to 
>>affect this. Thanks,
>>
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"FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gary

That's interesting. It sounds very like the problems we've seen: 3000+
page docs, lots of conditional text, sometimes can't create a PDF over
the network.

We're using a Novell server. Our IS team have checked for choke points,
overloading etc, and can't find any problems. They reckon it's just
Novell. We're going to be changing to a Microsoft server anyway, and
they reckon that'll be happier with Frame. I hope they're right!

Like you, we've "resolved" the issue by copying all the components to a
local drive before creating the PDF. We're ok with having to do that
part of the workflow locally, as long as we can keep editing the source
files over the network. 

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Zimmerman, Gary"  19/02/13 07:20 >>>
Hi Rebecca,

Just for the record, we have had instances where very large (2000 page)
documents with extensive conditionalization have been unable to Save as
PDF over the network.  I don't believe FM crashed, it just hung
indefinitely and never finished PDF production.  This was probably due
to network timeout issues, as relocating all the component book files
(chapters, appendices, FM-generated TOC/index) to a local computer and
saving as PDF there alleviated the problem.

Mind you, that was with FM7 and 9, and I believe that has not been an
issue for us with FM10, however we also removed a LOT of the
now-unnecessary conditions and conditional text from those books.

Cheers.

-- garyZ


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rebecca officer
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:02 PM
> To: isaacs at adobe.com; kverma at adobe.com; Syed.Hosain at aeris.net;
> alan at alphabyte.co.nz; poshedly at bellsouth.net;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit"
Really?!
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> I'm the person who asked Kapil to clarify, so I suspect I've
contributed
> to what you're feeling is the argumentative tone.
> 
> Given that, I wanted to explain *why* I reacted like that. Very
likely
> other people are in the same position as me.
> 
> I wasn't feeling negative towards you, or disagreeing that following
> tech support's advice had fixed your problem. I lead a team of
writers
> who all work on a single multi-chapter docs set. We can't just
change
> our workflow so everyone's working on their local drives. And we're
> still on FM10 but planning to upgrade soon. So I looked at tech
> support's advice that FM11 didn't support networked drive locations,
and
> thought "If that's true, we can't upgrade to FM11. If it's a
long-term
> decision from Adobe, we'll have to stop using FM. That seems awfully
> unlikely."
> 
> So it mattered to me to get things clarified by someone higher in
Adobe
> than a tech support engineer. I'm relieved to find that FM11 does
still
> support networked drive locations, as I expected.
> 
> We don't always find that FM10 talks nicely with our networked
servers,
> so sometimes we end up doing part of our workflow on our local
drives
> too. I'm not surprised that moving a doc to your local drive would
make
> a crashing doc behave. I just wanted people like Dov and Kapil to
> confirm that it's still the exception rather than the rule!
> 
> Cheers and have a good day
> Rebecca
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Ken Poshedly  02/17/13 1:55 AM >>>
> To all,
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong but the argumentative tone of all of this with
regards
> to my
> question is the pits.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned:
> 1. Contact Shekhar at tcssup at adobe.com and discuss it with him.
> 2. We did what he told us to do.
> 3. No more problems (so far).
> 
> OK?
> 
> -- Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Kapil Verma 
> To: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
;
> Dov
> Isaacs ; Alan T Litchfield ;
> "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
> Sent: Fri, February 15, 2013 7:33:39 AM
> Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit"
Really?!
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Hope you are well. Well, there has been a flurry of emails on this
topic
> and I
> (as the product manager for FrameMaker) wanted to mention a couple
of
> things
> here to set the record straight J
> 
> ? Network file paths: FrameMaker 11 has been tested to work
with
> network
> file paths. There is absolutely no change in behavior between FM11
and
> the older
> versions. So, you should not have any problems when your files are
> stored on the
> ne

RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

[rebecca officer]

Hi Gary
 
That's interesting. It sounds very like the problems we've seen: 3000+
page docs, lots of conditional text, sometimes can't create a PDF over
the network.
 
We're using a Novell server. Our IS team have checked for choke points,
overloading etc, and can't find any problems. They reckon it's just
Novell. We're going to be changing to a Microsoft server anyway, and
they reckon that'll be happier with Frame. I hope they're right!
 
Like you, we've "resolved" the issue by copying all the components to a
local drive before creating the PDF. We're ok with having to do that
part of the workflow locally, as long as we can keep editing the source
files over the network. 
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Zimmerman, Gary"  19/02/13 07:20 >>>
Hi Rebecca,

Just for the record, we have had instances where very large (2000 page)
documents with extensive conditionalization have been unable to Save as
PDF over the network.  I don't believe FM crashed, it just hung
indefinitely and never finished PDF production.  This was probably due
to network timeout issues, as relocating all the component book files
(chapters, appendices, FM-generated TOC/index) to a local computer and
saving as PDF there alleviated the problem.

Mind you, that was with FM7 and 9, and I believe that has not been an
issue for us with FM10, however we also removed a LOT of the
now-unnecessary conditions and conditional text from those books.

Cheers.

-- garyZ


> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rebecca officer
> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 2:02 PM
> To: isa...@adobe.com; kve...@adobe.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net;
> a...@alphabyte.co.nz; poshe...@bellsouth.net;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit"
Really?!
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> I'm the person who asked Kapil to clarify, so I suspect I've
contributed
> to what you're feeling is the argumentative tone.
> 
> Given that, I wanted to explain *why* I reacted like that. Very
likely
> other people are in the same position as me.
> 
> I wasn't feeling negative towards you, or disagreeing that following
> tech support's advice had fixed your problem. I lead a team of
writers
> who all work on a single multi-chapter docs set. We can't just
change
> our workflow so everyone's working on their local drives. And we're
> still on FM10 but planning to upgrade soon. So I looked at tech
> support's advice that FM11 didn't support networked drive locations,
and
> thought "If that's true, we can't upgrade to FM11. If it's a
long-term
> decision from Adobe, we'll have to stop using FM. That seems awfully
> unlikely."
> 
> So it mattered to me to get things clarified by someone higher in
Adobe
> than a tech support engineer. I'm relieved to find that FM11 does
still
> support networked drive locations, as I expected.
> 
> We don't always find that FM10 talks nicely with our networked
servers,
> so sometimes we end up doing part of our workflow on our local
drives
> too. I'm not surprised that moving a doc to your local drive would
make
> a crashing doc behave. I just wanted people like Dov and Kapil to
> confirm that it's still the exception rather than the rule!
> 
> Cheers and have a good day
> Rebecca
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Ken Poshedly  02/17/13 1:55 AM >>>
> To all,
> 
> Maybe I'm wrong but the argumentative tone of all of this with
regards
> to my
> question is the pits.
> 
> As far as I'm concerned:
> 1. Contact Shekhar at tcs...@adobe.com and discuss it with him.
> 2. We did what he told us to do.
> 3. No more problems (so far).
> 
> OK?
> 
> -- Ken
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Kapil Verma 
> To: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"
;
> Dov
> Isaacs ; Alan T Litchfield ;
> "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Sent: Fri, February 15, 2013 7:33:39 AM
> Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit"
Really?!
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Hope you are well. Well, there has been a flurry of emails on this
topic
> and I
> (as the product manager for FrameMaker) wanted to mention a couple
of
> things
> here to set the record straight J
> 
> · Network file paths: FrameMaker 11 has been tested to work
with
> network
> file paths. There is absolutely no change in behavior between FM11
and
> the older
> versions. So, you should not have any problems when your files are
> stored on the
> network location. However, in ca

"FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

[rebecca officer]

Hi Ken

I'm the person who asked Kapil to clarify, so I suspect I've contributed
to what you're feeling is the argumentative tone.

Given that, I wanted to explain *why* I reacted like that. Very likely
other people are in the same position as me.

I wasn't feeling negative towards you, or disagreeing that following
tech support's advice had fixed your problem. I lead a team of writers
who all work on a single multi-chapter docs set. We can't just change
our workflow so everyone's working on their local drives. And we're
still on FM10 but planning to upgrade soon. So I looked at tech
support's advice that FM11 didn't support networked drive locations, and
thought "If that's true, we can't upgrade to FM11. If it's a long-term
decision from Adobe, we'll have to stop using FM. That seems awfully
unlikely."

So it mattered to me to get things clarified by someone higher in Adobe
than a tech support engineer. I'm relieved to find that FM11 does still
support networked drive locations, as I expected.

We don't always find that FM10 talks nicely with our networked servers,
so sometimes we end up doing part of our workflow on our local drives
too. I'm not surprised that moving a doc to your local drive would make
a crashing doc behave. I just wanted people like Dov and Kapil to
confirm that it's still the exception rather than the rule!

Cheers and have a good day
Rebecca



>>> Ken Poshedly  02/17/13 1:55 AM >>>
To all,

Maybe I'm wrong but the argumentative tone of all of this with regards
to my 
question is the pits.

As far as I'm concerned:
1. Contact Shekhar at tcssup at adobe.com and discuss it with him.
2. We did what he told us to do.
3. No more problems (so far).

OK?

-- Ken





From: Kapil Verma 
To: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)" ;
Dov 
Isaacs ; Alan T Litchfield ; 
"framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Fri, February 15, 2013 7:33:39 AM
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!


Hello Everyone,

Hope you are well. Well, there has been a flurry of emails on this topic
and I 
(as the product manager for FrameMaker) wanted to mention a couple of
things 
here to set the record straight J

? Network file paths: FrameMaker 11 has been tested to work with
network 
file paths. There is absolutely no change in behavior between FM11 and
the older 
versions. So, you should not have any problems when your files are
stored on the 
network location. However, in case you are experiencing any crashes when
working 
with network files, we will be happy to take a look at your crash logs
and help 
your troubleshoot your specific issue.

? FrameMaker Lock file:There is lot of discussion and some
confusion 
around the purpose of the lock file. Lock file is created by FM to tell
the user 
that the file is open in another instance of FM. So, if we take the
scenario of 
multiple users working on the same file set (which is stored on the
network 
drive) and when a file is opened in FM, it creates a lock file. If
another user 
tries to open the same file, FM will give the other user a warning that
the file 
is open in another instance of FM. So, this is a feature, that prevents
users 
from overwriting each other?s content. Furthermore, If you don?t want
lock 
files, you can turn them off as well. Lastly, for more information,
about the 
lock file and its behavior, please read the help page here

Hope this information is useful and clarifies things. Have a great
weekend!

Thanks,
Kapil Verma
Sr. Product Manager ? Adobe Technical Communication Products


From:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain 
(Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:43 A
M
To: Dov Isaacs; Alan T Litchfield; framers at lists.frameusersWhat you say 
below is indeed what I would expect, and what is also my 
experience, with the Adobe applications I use (FrameMaker, PhotoShop and
Acrobat 
Pro)? pretty much any Windows application today!

Thanks for the clarification,

Z

From:Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:24 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Alan T Litchfield; 
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!
Importance: High

With regards to network folders and drives, Adobe software in general is

essentially unaware of the media and location of the file. The provided
file 
path, whether provided explicitly by the user with a file open dialog or

implicitly as a link in a document is used ?as is? for operating system
file 
access calls. That having been said, when one accesses files on remote
and/or 
slow links or even with semi-reliable media (such as old and scratched
CD-Rs and 
DVD-Rs), read errors and/or timeouts can and do occur that are much less
likely 
than when accessing a file on a ?local? drive. The Adobe applications
typically 
don

Re: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

[rebecca officer]

Hi Ken

I'm the person who asked Kapil to clarify, so I suspect I've contributed
to what you're feeling is the argumentative tone.

Given that, I wanted to explain *why* I reacted like that. Very likely
other people are in the same position as me.

I wasn't feeling negative towards you, or disagreeing that following
tech support's advice had fixed your problem. I lead a team of writers
who all work on a single multi-chapter docs set. We can't just change
our workflow so everyone's working on their local drives. And we're
still on FM10 but planning to upgrade soon. So I looked at tech
support's advice that FM11 didn't support networked drive locations, and
thought "If that's true, we can't upgrade to FM11. If it's a long-term
decision from Adobe, we'll have to stop using FM. That seems awfully
unlikely."

So it mattered to me to get things clarified by someone higher in Adobe
than a tech support engineer. I'm relieved to find that FM11 does still
support networked drive locations, as I expected.

We don't always find that FM10 talks nicely with our networked servers,
so sometimes we end up doing part of our workflow on our local drives
too. I'm not surprised that moving a doc to your local drive would make
a crashing doc behave. I just wanted people like Dov and Kapil to
confirm that it's still the exception rather than the rule!

Cheers and have a good day
Rebecca



>>> Ken Poshedly  02/17/13 1:55 AM >>>
To all,

Maybe I'm wrong but the argumentative tone of all of this with regards
to my 
question is the pits.

As far as I'm concerned:
1. Contact Shekhar at tcs...@adobe.com and discuss it with him.
2. We did what he told us to do.
3. No more problems (so far).

OK?

-- Ken





From: Kapil Verma 
To: "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)" ;
Dov 
Isaacs ; Alan T Litchfield ; 
"framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Fri, February 15, 2013 7:33:39 AM
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!


Hello Everyone,
 
Hope you are well. Well, there has been a flurry of emails on this topic
and I 
(as the product manager for FrameMaker) wanted to mention a couple of
things 
here to set the record straight J
 
· Network file paths: FrameMaker 11 has been tested to work with
network 
file paths. There is absolutely no change in behavior between FM11 and
the older 
versions. So, you should not have any problems when your files are
stored on the 
network location. However, in case you are experiencing any crashes when
working 
with network files, we will be happy to take a look at your crash logs
and help 
your troubleshoot your specific issue.
 
· FrameMaker Lock file:There is lot of discussion and some
confusion 
around the purpose of the lock file. Lock file is created by FM to tell
the user 
that the file is open in another instance of FM. So, if we take the
scenario of 
multiple users working on the same file set (which is stored on the
network 
drive) and when a file is opened in FM, it creates a lock file. If
another user 
tries to open the same file, FM will give the other user a warning that
the file 
is open in another instance of FM. So, this is a feature, that prevents
users 
from overwriting each other’s content. Furthermore, If you don’t want
lock 
files, you can turn them off as well. Lastly, for more information,
about the 
lock file and its behavior, please read the help page here
 
Hope this information is useful and clarifies things. Have a great
weekend!
 
Thanks,
Kapil Verma
Sr. Product Manager – Adobe Technical Communication Products
 
 
From:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem
Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 5:43 A
M
To: Dov Isaacs; Alan T Litchfield; framers@lists.frameusersWhat you say below 
is indeed what I would expect, and what is also my 
experience, with the Adobe applications I use (FrameMaker, PhotoShop and
Acrobat 
Pro)– pretty much any Windows application today!
 
Thanks for the clarification,
 
Z
 
From:Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:24 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Alan T Litchfield; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!
Importance: High
 
With regards to network folders and drives, Adobe software in general is

essentially unaware of the media and location of the file. The provided
file 
path, whether provided explicitly by the user with a file open dialog or

implicitly as a link in a document is used “as is” for operating system
file 
access calls. That having been said, when one accesses files on remote
and/or 
slow links or even with semi-reliable media (such as old and scratched
CD-Rs and 
DVD-Rs), read errors and/or timeouts can and do occur that are much less
likely 
than when accessing a file on a “local” drive. The Adobe applications
typically 
don’t attempt any spec

cannot generate PDF

[rebecca officer]

Hi Bill

Make sure neither page 17 or 18 has an extra copy of the main text
frame on it. You can check this by control-clicking on the text frame to
select it, then deleting it. If there's still a copy on the page, that's
a duplicate.

I've seen that problem cause Distiller errors in the past.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Harro de Jong  14/02/13 04:10 >>>

Hi Bill,

I?ve seen this type of error before, and it can be a pain to get rid
of. What I do to find the cause of the error:
1.   copy only the offending pages to a new FM file.
2.   try creating a PDF of this file. 
3.   If step 2 fails: remove one item from the file (one image, or
one paragraph of text, etc), and do step 2 again. 


Hope this helps,
Harro


From: William W. Saylor, PE [mailto:wsay...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: woensdag 13 februari 2013 15:51
To: Harro de Jong
Subject: RE: cannot generate PDF


Harro,

   Thanks. I do have several imported images (actually
MathType equations) on that page but I have 500 pages of that and this
is the only page where I get an error.
Bill


From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:04 AM
To: wsaylor at earthlink.net; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: cannot generate PDF


This is an error in the Postscript code. There are a few things to
check/try:
1.check page 17 and 18. Are there any Postscript, EPS,
Illustrator or PDF objects on these pages? The problem could be caused
by a corrupt image. 
2.Choose another printer driver, then try creating the PDF
again. 


Harro de Jong
Triview


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William W.
Saylor, PE
Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2013 19:22
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: cannot generate PDF


I am trying to generate a PDF output on a chapter of a book in FM10 and
I get error messages in the log that are not very helpful to me. Here is
the offending part of the log:

%%[Page: 15]%%
%%[Page: 16]%%
%%[Page: 17]%%
%%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: ifelse ]%%

Stack:
{F}
{--dup-- /Encoding --get-- --dup-- StandardEncoding --eq-- {--pop-- T}
{{ISOLatin1Encoding} --stopped-- {--pop-- F} {--eq--} --ifelse--
{T} {--dup-- --begin-- T 32 1 127 {Encoding 1 --index-- --get--
StandardEncoding 3 -1 --roll-- --get-- --eq-- --and--} --for--
--end--}
--ifelse--} --ifelse--}
265
-dict-
/0
0
/F11
265
/TT110t00
0


%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

I cannot find any errors on the page in  the document. Does this make
sense to anyone?

Thanks,
Bill


Saylor Solutions, Inc.
William W. Saylor, PE(v) 719 481-0433

20075 Promontory Way   (mob) 719 373-3770

Monument, CO 80132  

wsaylor at earthlink.net


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"FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?! - support for networked drives

[rebecca officer]

Hi Kapil

As in the Framer's post below, Ken's been told by Adobe support that FM11 isn't 
happy with working across networked drives. This has - not surprisingly - 
created consternation on the list. It seems very unlikely to be true, but can 
you please reply and confirm or deny it?

Many thanks
Rebecca


>>> Ken Poshedly  02/14/13 9:32 AM >>>
FWIW,

I just learned from Adobe tech support (via phone call) that the permissions in 
FrameMaker 11.0 have been modified so that the data files should also be on the 
same hard drive where FM 11.0 is installed. Working across drives (FM here, 
data 
files there) is no longer an accepted practice -- at least not with FM11.

I guess this explains the flaky, intermittent nature of my coworker's FM 
crashes 
because that (the "wrong" way is just how we've been doing things here.

Incidentally, I'm still using FM 8.0 the "wrong" way and with no crashes.

-- Ken in Atlanta




From: Ken Poshedly 
To: techwr-l at techwr-l.com
Sent: Wed, February 13, 2013 10:47:05 AM
Subject: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

To all,

Please excuse this x-posting (Framemaker list), but no replies at all from 
there 

so far.

My coworker is running FrameMaker 11.0 and is frustrated  because twice this 
morning, FrameMaker crashed on his terminal (luckily  creating recovery files, 
though).

The warning pop-up window that  displayed announcing this glorious impending 
shutdown stated "Internal  Error 11014, 8122692, 8122986, 10866845. . . "

We have looked at the extremely cryptic error log file that was generated and 
of 

course, it's as clear as mud to me.

Note  that my coworker prefers to keep his book and all member chapter files  
open. He also prefers to embed all his graphics so the various chapter  file 
sizes are MUCH larger than if the graphics were referenced. Thus,  the 
following:

Title page with copyright page -- 835 Kb (no graphics)
TOC -- 870 Kb (again, no graphics)
Section  1 -- 4,740 Kb
Section 2 -- 8,720 Kb
Section 3 -- 14,983 Kb
Section 4 -- 45,815 Kb
Section 5 -- 22,066 Kb
Section 6 -- 53,033 Kb

For instance, Section 6 is 89  pages in length with all graphics (strictly line 
art) embedded and the  file size is 53,033 Kb (that's a little over 53 
megabytes). In a  previous version of this manual (when the graphics were 
referenced), the  file size was just a mere fraction of this (perhaps 20 Kb or 
30 Kb).

His  computer is a "TRISTAR" pc, with an Intel Core2 Duo CPU, E8500 @ 3.16  
Ghz, 

3.17 Ghz, 3.24 Gigabytes of RAM; running Windows XP Professional,  Version 
2002, 

Service Pack 3.

So the questions:

* What do those internal error numbers specifically mean?
* Is/are the error/errors caused by a hardware problem or a software 
problem?
-- Ken in Atlanta
^
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RE: cannot generate PDF

[rebecca officer]

Hi Bill
 
Make sure neither page 17 or 18 has an extra copy of the main text
frame on it. You can check this by control-clicking on the text frame to
select it, then deleting it. If there's still a copy on the page, that's
a duplicate.
 
I've seen that problem cause Distiller errors in the past.
 
Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Harro de Jong  14/02/13 04:10 >>>

Hi Bill,
 
I’ve seen this type of error before, and it can be a pain to get rid
of. What I do to find the cause of the error:
1.   copy only the offending pages to a new FM file.
2.   try creating a PDF of this file. 
3.   If step 2 fails: remove one item from the file (one image, or
one paragraph of text, etc), and do step 2 again. 
 
 
Hope this helps,
Harro
 

From: William W. Saylor, PE [mailto:wsay...@earthlink.net] 
Sent: woensdag 13 februari 2013 15:51
To: Harro de Jong
Subject: RE: cannot generate PDF

 
Harro,
 
   Thanks. I do have several imported images (actually
MathType equations) on that page but I have 500 pages of that and this
is the only page where I get an error.
Bill
 

From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:04 AM
To: wsay...@earthlink.net; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: cannot generate PDF

 
This is an error in the Postscript code. There are a few things to
check/try:
1.check page 17 and 18. Are there any Postscript, EPS,
Illustrator or PDF objects on these pages? The problem could be caused
by a corrupt image. 
2.Choose another printer driver, then try creating the PDF
again. 
 

Harro de Jong
Triview
 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of William W.
Saylor, PE
Sent: dinsdag 12 februari 2013 19:22
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: cannot generate PDF

 
I am trying to generate a PDF output on a chapter of a book in FM10 and
I get error messages in the log that are not very helpful to me. Here is
the offending part of the log:

%%[Page: 15]%%
%%[Page: 16]%%
%%[Page: 17]%%
%%[ Error: typecheck; OffendingCommand: ifelse ]%%
 
Stack:
{F}
{--dup-- /Encoding --get-- --dup-- StandardEncoding --eq-- {--pop-- T}
{{ISOLatin1Encoding} --stopped-- {--pop-- F} {--eq--} --ifelse--
{T} {--dup-- --begin-- T 32 1 127 {Encoding 1 --index-- --get--
StandardEncoding 3 -1 --roll-- --get-- --eq-- --and--} --for--
--end--}
--ifelse--} --ifelse--}
265
-dict-
/0
0
/F11
265
/TT110t00
0
 
 
%%[ Flushing: rest of job (to end-of-file) will be ignored ]%%
%%[ Warning: PostScript error. No PDF file produced. ] %%

I cannot find any errors on the page in  the document. Does this make
sense to anyone?
 
Thanks,
Bill
 

Saylor Solutions, Inc.
William W. Saylor, PE(v) 719 481-0433

20075 Promontory Way   (mob) 719 373-3770

Monument, CO 80132  

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Re: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?! - support for networked drives

[rebecca officer]

Hi Kapil

As in the Framer's post below, Ken's been told by Adobe support that FM11 isn't 
happy with working across networked drives. This has - not surprisingly - 
created consternation on the list. It seems very unlikely to be true, but can 
you please reply and confirm or deny it?

Many thanks
Rebecca


>>> Ken Poshedly  02/14/13 9:32 AM >>>
FWIW,

I just learned from Adobe tech support (via phone call) that the permissions in 
FrameMaker 11.0 have been modified so that the data files should also be on the 
same hard drive where FM 11.0 is installed. Working across drives (FM here, 
data 
files there) is no longer an accepted practice -- at least not with FM11.

I guess this explains the flaky, intermittent nature of my coworker's FM 
crashes 
because that (the "wrong" way is just how we've been doing things here.

Incidentally, I'm still using FM 8.0 the "wrong" way and with no crashes.

-- Ken in Atlanta




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To: techw...@techwr-l.com
Sent: Wed, February 13, 2013 10:47:05 AM
Subject: "FrameMaker has detected a problem and must quit" Really?!

To all,

Please excuse this x-posting (Framemaker list), but no replies at all from 
there 

so far.

My coworker is running FrameMaker 11.0 and is frustrated  because twice this 
morning, FrameMaker crashed on his terminal (luckily  creating recovery files, 
though).

The warning pop-up window that  displayed announcing this glorious impending 
shutdown stated "Internal  Error 11014, 8122692, 8122986, 10866845. . . "

We have looked at the extremely cryptic error log file that was generated and 
of 

course, it's as clear as mud to me.

Note  that my coworker prefers to keep his book and all member chapter files  
open. He also prefers to embed all his graphics so the various chapter  file 
sizes are MUCH larger than if the graphics were referenced. Thus,  the 
following:

Title page with copyright page -- 835 Kb (no graphics)
TOC -- 870 Kb (again, no graphics)
Section  1 -- 4,740 Kb
Section 2 -- 8,720 Kb
Section 3 -- 14,983 Kb
Section 4 -- 45,815 Kb
Section 5 -- 22,066 Kb
Section 6 -- 53,033 Kb

For instance, Section 6 is 89  pages in length with all graphics (strictly line 
art) embedded and the  file size is 53,033 Kb (that's a little over 53 
megabytes). In a  previous version of this manual (when the graphics were 
referenced), the  file size was just a mere fraction of this (perhaps 20 Kb or 
30 Kb).

His  computer is a "TRISTAR" pc, with an Intel Core2 Duo CPU, E8500 @ 3.16  
Ghz, 

3.17 Ghz, 3.24 Gigabytes of RAM; running Windows XP Professional,  Version 
2002, 

Service Pack 3.

So the questions:

* What do those internal error numbers specifically mean?
* Is/are the error/errors caused by a hardware problem or a software 
problem?
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Framemaker 11 crashes constantly when I generate a RH project

[rebecca officer]

Hi Laura

I can't help with the RH problem, but just wanted to mention that late last 
year I spent a few weeks trialling TC4 for outputting a 3000-page FM book as 
HTML. In the end, I switched to MIF2Go instead and found it hugely easier to 
use, with better output.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Laura Fergusson  02/06/13 1:28 AM >>>
Hi all

Every time I try to generate a small RH project which is linked to a single 
Framemaker chapter, I get the message that FM has stopped working.
This was working for me yesterday, no problems with this part of it.  I've 
tried just generating, doing an update all etc, same result.
I changed a couple of mappings - I selected Ignore Output for ChapterTitle, 
ChapNumber and AppendixTitle in the mapping dialog.
No idea if that is what has caused this. I've also tried starting a new 
project, but it gets as far as specifying a FM template then crashes. We are 
using TC4.
Has anyone else had these major problems? We are still trialling the TC4 
software and although I am a big FM fan I am starting to wonder if this is the 
right way to go as the integration seems very flaky.
Please help if you can, thanks in advance.
Laura





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Re: Framemaker 11 crashes constantly when I generate a RH project

[rebecca officer]

Hi Laura

I can't help with the RH problem, but just wanted to mention that late last 
year I spent a few weeks trialling TC4 for outputting a 3000-page FM book as 
HTML. In the end, I switched to MIF2Go instead and found it hugely easier to 
use, with better output.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Laura Fergusson  02/06/13 1:28 AM >>>
Hi all

Every time I try to generate a small RH project which is linked to a single 
Framemaker chapter, I get the message that FM has stopped working.
This was working for me yesterday, no problems with this part of it.  I've 
tried just generating, doing an update all etc, same result.
I changed a couple of mappings - I selected Ignore Output for ChapterTitle, 
ChapNumber and AppendixTitle in the mapping dialog.
No idea if that is what has caused this. I've also tried starting a new 
project, but it gets as far as specifying a FM template then crashes. We are 
using TC4.
Has anyone else had these major problems? We are still trialling the TC4 
software and although I am a big FM fan I am starting to wonder if this is the 
right way to go as the integration seems very flaky.
Please help if you can, thanks in advance.
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Pagination FM 11

[rebecca officer]

Hi judy

In your maker.ini file, you can set FM to display onscreen using print 
settings. If you do that and have Adobe PDF as your default printer, it might 
make FM have the same pagination onscreen as in the PDF.

Well found on the rest - empty text boxes can be a pig to track down.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Judy Bragg  02/01/13 5:57 AM >>>
And the answer is...

Thanks to some "super-sleuthing" by Rick Quatro the causes have been found.
One document had a stray, empty text box that was preventing the 
deletion of the extra pages.

The other included an inset with a table. In FrameMaker 11 it splits 
across 2 pages (a header row and 2 body rows flow to the second page), 
but in the PDF it stays all on one page which affects the pagination of 
the remaining pages in the document so another blank page results, 
apparently after "extra pages" have been deleted.  I'll have to follow 
up with Adobe on this one, I guess.

Thanks to all of you for your willingness to help.

Judy Bragg
Technical Writer
HYPACK, Inc.
860-635-1500

On 1/31/2013 10:14 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:
> Judy Bragg wrote:
>   
>> In each case, if I change the conditional settings to "Show All" and set the
>> pagination settings to "Next Available [Page]" and "Delete Empty Pages", I
>> don't have the blank pages at the end.  When I change the conditional 
>> settings
>> to show only the conditions appropriate to the PDF, I get the blank pages in
>> the FM as well as the PDF. I can see the pilcrow marking the end of the
>> document so I don't know what FM thinks is beyond that point.
> Did you save after changing the condition settings? If that doesn't help, try 
> manually deleting the empty pages (Special > Delete Pages). Is it possible 
> that there's some unobvious conditionalized object, as Anita suggested?
>
> Are you sure your pagination and start on settings aren't the culprit? IIRC, 
> you said chapter titles are set to start on a new page -- are you sure it's 
> not start on right page or start on left page? Look critically at the files 
> with the "blank" pages -- and at the files that follow them. More often than 
> not, blank pages are the result of some conflict in the pagination / start on 
> / keep with settings.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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