Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

[Simon BUCH]

Hello,

Since my last email on this subject, I discovered that the Adobe 
ExtendScript application is still a 32-bit application, and there are 
times when a regular file Open() function call will just error.


After a great deal of investigation, we have determined the cause of the 
crash was due to the FrameMaker console window being closed.
I have always promoted that console windows should *never* be closed as 
warnings are there for a reason!



Regards
/// Simon BUCH



On 16/02/2024 13:42, r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

Hi Simon,

FrameMaker 2019 shipped with 32- and 64-bit versions. I don't know what
version you are using, but the 64-bit version might work.

Since you are using ExtendScript, an alternative approach may be to script
saving each component to XML individually then use XSLT to combine them.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 7:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

Hello Framers,

I have been investigating a problem reported by one of my customers.
They have 1 book file containing 1554 FrameMaker documents, plus 2
FrameMaker generated documents.

They have managed to publish their book file to PDF, but when they try
exporting the book to XML, FrameMaker crashes badly.

I have chopped the book up, and it appears that FrameMaker baulks after
processing around 700 files - sometimes with Internal Error, sometimes with
just hanging the app. A large number [>1400] of the FrameMaker documents
contain imported by reference graphics. Even with removing the mount point
of the graphics [so FrameMaker will show a gray box instead], and also with
setting the View > Hide Graphics option on each file,

I tried using ExtendScript to read content from each of the files, but after
approximately 710 files, I received the FrameMaker warning dialog:
Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more windows and
try again.
i.e. Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more
windows and try again.

According to Windows 10 [64-bit], the Task Manager indicates memory usage on
the workstation is 3.6Gb out of an available 12.1Gb.

Has anyone here experienced problems when dealing with such large book
files?


/// Simon BUCH

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Rick,

Thank you for the quick response.
I have checked, and I am using the 64-bit version of Adobe FrameMaker 2019.

My company's software uses the Frame FDK to connect with FrameMaker.

I have deliberately disabled the software "plugin" to troubleshoot the 
behaviour in structured mode FrameMaker, but as I can't even process all 
the files in the book, I suspect there is a system limit.



Regards
/// Simon



On 16/02/2024 13:42, r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

Hi Simon,

FrameMaker 2019 shipped with 32- and 64-bit versions. I don't know what
version you are using, but the 64-bit version might work.

Since you are using ExtendScript, an alternative approach may be to script
saving each component to XML individually then use XSLT to combine them.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 7:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

Hello Framers,

I have been investigating a problem reported by one of my customers.
They have 1 book file containing 1554 FrameMaker documents, plus 2
FrameMaker generated documents.

They have managed to publish their book file to PDF, but when they try
exporting the book to XML, FrameMaker crashes badly.

I have chopped the book up, and it appears that FrameMaker baulks after
processing around 700 files - sometimes with Internal Error, sometimes with
just hanging the app. A large number [>1400] of the FrameMaker documents
contain imported by reference graphics. Even with removing the mount point
of the graphics [so FrameMaker will show a gray box instead], and also with
setting the View > Hide Graphics option on each file,

I tried using ExtendScript to read content from each of the files, but after
approximately 710 files, I received the FrameMaker warning dialog:
Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more windows and
try again.
i.e. Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more
windows and try again.

According to Windows 10 [64-bit], the Task Manager indicates memory usage on
the workstation is 3.6Gb out of an available 12.1Gb.

Has anyone here experienced problems when dealing with such large book
files?


/// Simon BUCH

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

[rick]

Hi Simon,

FrameMaker 2019 shipped with 32- and 64-bit versions. I don't know what
version you are using, but the 64-bit version might work.

Since you are using ExtendScript, an alternative approach may be to script
saving each component to XML individually then use XSLT to combine them.

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 7:20 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

Hello Framers,

I have been investigating a problem reported by one of my customers.
They have 1 book file containing 1554 FrameMaker documents, plus 2
FrameMaker generated documents.

They have managed to publish their book file to PDF, but when they try
exporting the book to XML, FrameMaker crashes badly.

I have chopped the book up, and it appears that FrameMaker baulks after
processing around 700 files - sometimes with Internal Error, sometimes with
just hanging the app. A large number [>1400] of the FrameMaker documents
contain imported by reference graphics. Even with removing the mount point
of the graphics [so FrameMaker will show a gray box instead], and also with
setting the View > Hide Graphics option on each file,

I tried using ExtendScript to read content from each of the files, but after
approximately 710 files, I received the FrameMaker warning dialog:
Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more windows and
try again.
i.e. Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more
windows and try again.

According to Windows 10 [64-bit], the Task Manager indicates memory usage on
the workstation is 3.6Gb out of an available 12.1Gb.

Has anyone here experienced problems when dealing with such large book
files?


/// Simon BUCH

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[Framers] FrameMaker 2019 and the limit of Windows 10?

[Simon BUCH]

Hello Framers,

I have been investigating a problem reported by one of my customers.
They have 1 book file containing 1554 FrameMaker documents, plus 2 
FrameMaker generated documents.


They have managed to publish their book file to PDF, but when they try 
exporting the book to XML, FrameMaker crashes badly.


I have chopped the book up, and it appears that FrameMaker baulks after 
processing around 700 files - sometimes with Internal Error, sometimes 
with just hanging the app. A large number [>1400] of the FrameMaker 
documents contain imported by reference graphics. Even with removing the 
mount point of the graphics [so FrameMaker will show a gray box 
instead], and also with setting the View > Hide Graphics option on each 
file,


I tried using ExtendScript to read content from each of the files, but 
after approximately 710 files, I received the FrameMaker warning dialog:
Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more windows 
and try again.
i.e. Insufficient memory to display the dialog box. Close one or more 
windows and try again.


According to Windows 10 [64-bit], the Task Manager indicates memory 
usage on the workstation is 3.6Gb out of an available 12.1Gb.


Has anyone here experienced problems when dealing with such large book 
files?



/// Simon BUCH

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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Peter Gold]

Consider posting a request for better distribution packaging, to the FM
wishlist. IIRC, there's also a features petition somewhere.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 12:19 PM Lea Rush  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the prompt. That did fix the problem. The irony is that the
> lack of an up-to-date installation set goes directly against part of my
> job. I maintain our software installation sets, making sure that the
> shippng set and the online set are up to date. My first instinct is that
> any competent company would do the same, especially one as large as Adobe.
> With all those people, there must be someone doing that!
>
> Adjusting my naivety filters for reality...
> Lea
>
>
> Lea Rush
> IT and Documentation Support Specialist
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  astoria-pacific@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 6:54 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. <
> framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs
>
> It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today,
> that it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are
> required right off the bat.
>
>
> 
> From: Framers  jonasclub@lists.frameusers.com> on behalf of Lynne A. Price <
> lpr...@txstruct.com>
> Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs
>
> Lea,
> Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed
> solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I have
> just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems with TOC
> entries that contained conditional text.
>  --Lynne
>
> On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> > Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.
>
>
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Lea Rush]

Hi all,

Thanks for the prompt. That did fix the problem. The irony is that the lack of 
an up-to-date installation set goes directly against part of my job. I maintain 
our software installation sets, making sure that the shippng set and the online 
set are up to date. My first instinct is that any competent company would do 
the same, especially one as large as Adobe. With all those people, there must 
be someone doing that!

Adjusting my naivety filters for reality...
Lea


Lea Rush
IT and Documentation Support Specialist 

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2020 6:54 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today, that 
it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are required 
right off the bat.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lynne A. Price 
Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Lea,
Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed solve 
your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I have just 
duplicated the situation you described and had no problems with TOC entries 
that contained conditional text.
 --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the 
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.


--
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Jeff Coatsworth]

It's a common trope that just because you downloaded & installed FM today, that 
it includes all the latest fixes - it doesn't - immediate updates are required 
right off the bat.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lynne A. Price 
Sent: March 3, 2020 9:51 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Lea,
Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed
solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I
have just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems
with TOC entries that contained conditional text.
 --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:
> Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the 
> paragraph mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.


--
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Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Lynne A. Price]

Lea,
   Jeff's advice to make sure you have installed all patches may indeed 
solve your problem. I am running a fully patched version of FM 2019. I 
have just duplicated the situation you described and had no problems 
with TOC entries that contained conditional text.

    --Lynne

On 3/2/2020 4:42 PM, Lea Rush wrote:

Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the paragraph 
mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.



--
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Have you loaded the latest patch? I think it's up to 5 now.



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Lea Rush 
Sent: March 2, 2020 7:42 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

Hi,

I recently upgraded from Frame 8 to Frame 2019. I've hit my first hiccup.

I have subtopics that are comprised either partly or entirely of conditional 
text. I just attempted to do something that was seamless in FM8; insert a 
standalone ToC in selected chapters of my book. It's not complex. There are 
about a dozen conditional tags, 4 of which are used the most. It used to work 
fine...

Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the paragraph 
mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.

Example, using asterisks to simulate conditional text and numbers to represent 
page numbers:

TOPIC
Subtopic 1
*Subtopic* 2
Sub*topic* 3

Becomes:

Topic
Subtopic 1
2
Sub 3

HELP!
Lea



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[Framers] Framemaker 2019, Conditional Text, and ToCs

[Lea Rush]

Hi,

I recently upgraded from Frame 8 to Frame 2019. I've hit my first hiccup.

I have subtopics that are comprised either partly or entirely of conditional 
text. I just attempted to do something that was seamless in FM8; insert a 
standalone ToC in selected chapters of my book. It's not complex. There are 
about a dozen conditional tags, 4 of which are used the most. It used to work 
fine...

Now I find that all conditional text, whether it's characters or the paragraph 
mark itself, is dropped from the ToC.

Example, using asterisks to simulate conditional text and numbers to represent 
page numbers:

TOPIC
Subtopic 1
*Subtopic* 2
Sub*topic* 3

Becomes:

Topic
Subtopic 1
2
Sub 3

HELP!
Lea



Lea Rush
IT and Documentation Support Specialist
Astoria-Pacific
PO Box 830
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Re: [Framers] Framemaker 2019 and Tech Comm Suite 2017 and 2019.

[Art Campbell]

Yeah, you can sell the license.

Whether a Suite upgrade is worth it depends entirely on how often you use
what tools... what kind of work are you doing?


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On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 9:53 AM Richard Melanson 
wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I have Tech Comm Suite 2017 with FrameMaker 2017, I then separately
> upgraded JUST FrameMaker to 2019. I would now like to upgrade the rest of
> the products in my 2017 Suite to 2019 but Adobe says they cannot do this
> unless I pay for upgrading FrameMaker again.
>
> I have no hard feelings with Adobe that is their business practice. I am
> looking for suggestions on how to get to a complete 2019 suite. Can I sell
> my current 2019 FrameMaker license, I am stumped.
>
> And is it even worth upgrading, anyone have 2019 that they can share an
> opinion with me.
>
> Thanks a million Everyone.
>
> Rick
>
>
> Richard Melanson
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> Dear all,
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> Fortunately i have put aside FM-installation files since I install FM
> (version 4).
> Hence I do not need to search for these in the net. But any other person
> will have to.
> It's easy to find Adobe's site with the updates of previous versions:
> https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows
>
> But wherefrom do you get the base version? Only from illegal sources such
> as https://rahim-soft.com in Kandahar, Afghanistan?
> For curiosity I did so and discovered that in the download package there
> is a tool included to create a registration key... A help video describes
> how to use this illegal method. And the FM installation files turn out to
> be few days younger than those in my archive (which had been distributed by
> Adobe).
>
> It seems that Adobe has now opened a channel to older versions:
> https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/downloaded-older-app.html
> offers to chat via https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html - because in many
> cases (at least in my case) not all older versions are listed in Adobe's
> order history on the users account. Or the user (consultant) needs an older
> version to support a customer who has that version.
>
> Has anyone of you used this official channel to get an older version of
> FM, for example, version 10?
>
> Klaus
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[Framers] Framemaker 2019 and Tech Comm Suite 2017 and 2019.

[Richard Melanson]

Hi Everyone, 

I have Tech Comm Suite 2017 with FrameMaker 2017, I then separately upgraded 
JUST FrameMaker to 2019. I would now like to upgrade the rest of the products 
in my 2017 Suite to 2019 but Adobe says they cannot do this unless I pay for 
upgrading FrameMaker again. 

I have no hard feelings with Adobe that is their business practice. I am 
looking for suggestions on how to get to a complete 2019 suite. Can I sell my 
current 2019 FrameMaker license, I am stumped. 

And is it even worth upgrading, anyone have 2019 that they can share an opinion 
with me. 

Thanks a million Everyone. 

Rick


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Subject: [Framers] Getting an old version of FM

Dear all,

Fortunately i have put aside FM-installation files since I install FM (version 
4). 
Hence I do not need to search for these in the net. But any other person will 
have to. 
It's easy to find Adobe's site with the updates of previous versions:
https://supportdownloads.adobe.com/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows

But wherefrom do you get the base version? Only from illegal sources such as 
https://rahim-soft.com in Kandahar, Afghanistan? 
For curiosity I did so and discovered that in the download package there is a 
tool included to create a registration key... A help video describes how to use 
this illegal method. And the FM installation files turn out to be few days 
younger than those in my archive (which had been distributed by Adobe).

It seems that Adobe has now opened a channel to older versions:
https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/downloaded-older-app.html offers to 
chat via https://helpx.adobe.com/contact.html - because in many cases (at least 
in my case) not all older versions are listed in Adobe's order history on the 
users account. Or the user (consultant) needs an older version to support a 
customer who has that version.

Has anyone of you used this official channel to get an older version of FM, for 
example, version 10?

Klaus
~~
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Schäracher 11   Mail:   kl...@daube.ch
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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Sorry bad English - instead of exclamation marks I should say quotation marks

> I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603

"If you use "quotation marks" around the numeric sequence, the search works the 
way you want it to."
And Yes if you insert Index entries for any of these product designations like 
"123.456".
HTML would include an index search.



[cid:image003.jpg@01D500EE.67CF6840]



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Betreff: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?



Hi Winfried,



additional answers:



5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."



I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603

If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the 
way you asked for.



6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works!



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 On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM

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Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?



Hi Winfried,

you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.

1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "

Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings

2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"

Sure it remains SVG

2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."

This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically 
improved upon the several updates

3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."

See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920

4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic

  title."

  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict.

  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.

In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading.

If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.

In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.

A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!

5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."



6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter 
Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München



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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Hi Winfried,

additional answers:

5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

I just tested FM 2019 15.0.3.603
If you use exclamation marks round about the numeric sequence search works the 
way you asked for.

6.) In my tests in update 15.03.603 search term highlighting works!

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
 On Behalf 
Of Gust, Dieter
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?

Hi Winfried,
you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.
1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"
Sure it remains SVG
2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."
This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically 
improved upon the several updates
3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."
See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 
4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!
5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue Regards Dieter 
Gust Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung itl AG, München

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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Caroline Tabach]

Hi

I wonder whether if you use the glossary, or index functions, then  the
search would work on these terms.


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5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between
 two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a
solution."
6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting
didn't work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue
WR: The issue is: We have many order codes which start e.g. with 125.
When I enter "125.xyz" as search string, then _all_ order codes with "125"
will be found.
However, only 125.xyz should have been found.
It does not matter, if I change the option "Enable Substring Search" in the
Search settings.
Or in the converted HTML5 change "Display results with all search words".
The solution user has to enclose the whole text in double quotes. Then this
works.


On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 12:28 PM Reng Winfried 
wrote:

> Hi group
>
> I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on
> how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated
> from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does
> not help me very much:
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Reng Winfried]

Hi Dieter,

Thank you very much for your detailed info! Very good!
Here are some comments.

1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
WR: Yes. Caroline Tabach answered this here:
https://forums.adobe.com/message/11052723

4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!
WR: Very good. I am sure that I can adapt this.

5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."
6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue
WR: The issue is: We have many order codes which start e.g. with 125.
When I enter "125.xyz" as search string, then _all_ order codes with "125" will 
be found.
However, only 125.xyz should have been found.
It does not matter, if I change the option "Enable Substring Search" in the 
Search settings.
Or in the converted HTML5 change "Display results with all search words".
The solution user has to enclose the whole text in double quotes. Then this 
works.

Best regards

Winfried

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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:56 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Subject: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?

Hi Winfried,
you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.
1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"
Sure it remains SVG
2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."
This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process The quality has been dramatically 
improved upon the several updates
3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."
See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 
4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen 

Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Gust, Dieter]

Hi Winfried,
you recognized the different layout/formatting concept between Desktop 
FrameMaker with Paper/PDF Editing view and the different HTML layout and box 
model.
1.) "I do not know which font will be used. "
Font substitution you may define in the resulting CSS. Once defined you can use 
the CSS as part of the general conversion settings
2.) a) "Graphics conversion with SVG is best"
Sure it remains SVG
2.b) "However, if you have   some other objects in the same anchored frame, 
then you should  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than 
I expected."
This is the standard approach as the layer concept (as defined in FM) is not 
supported by the HTML conversion process
The quality has been dramatically improved upon the several updates
3.) "When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then  you 
have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph."
See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920 
4:) "I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.   E.g. 
when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then   the whole 
anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title."
  Well that's clear, as the table anchor defines the position of the content of 
the table within the text flow. This table anchor is a DTP relict. 
  Therefore in my templates tables must be anchored in an separate paragraphs 
called table anchor.
In addition topic title" is a very difficult term which is often misunderstood: 
For a customer a topic title always is the first paragraph in a HTML Topic and 
therefore it shall start with a heading. 
If the topic content does not start with a heading the technical writer created 
a structural mistake.
In technical aspects the topic title might be interpreted as the HTML title 
tag. Therefore the conversion or topic creation process clearly must take into 
account that the first paragraph (heading) and the topic title will get the 
identical content.
A third aspect might be seen in the filename of the HTML topic: This can be but 
only "by accident" identical with the topic title but never should be taken as 
the standard topic title!
5.) "Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want  to 
search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between   two 
words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution."

6.) In my tests (FM 2019) using "wx.yz" seems to work, but highlighting didn't 
work - I'll ask the FM development team regarding this issue
Regards
Dieter Gust
Aufsichtsrat, Leitung Forschung & Entwicklung
itl AG, München
+49 89 892623-600
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Von: Framers  Im 
Auftrag von Reng Winfried
Gesendet: Montag, 29. April 2019 12:00
An: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 

Betreff: Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: 
best practices and good documentation?

Hi Yves,

I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5.
And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still experimenting.
I will look for more information in the online help and in the various forums 
and blogs.
My first impressions and questions:

o Default settings are good.

o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced
  by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android
  or iOS. Is there are default replacement?

o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have
  some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should
  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected.

o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then
  you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph.
  See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920

o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.
  E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then
  the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title.

o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want
  to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between
  two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution.

o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find
  solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab stops).

o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not know,
  if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside.

Best regards

Winfried

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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Caroline Tabach]

I have been doing responsive HTML 5 output.

Regarding the settings file, sometimes it suddenly becomes corrupted, so
make a copy of the file you are using

Caroline Tabach

On Mon, 29 Apr 2019, 13:00 Reng Winfried, 
wrote:

> Hi Yves,
>
> I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5.
> And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still
> experimenting.
> I will look for more information in the online help and in the various
> forums
> and blogs.
> My first impressions and questions:
>
> o Default settings are good.
>
> o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced
>   by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android
>   or iOS. Is there are default replacement?
>
> o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have
>   some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should
>   convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected.
>
> o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then
>   you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph.
>   See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920
>
> o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.
>   E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then
>   the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
>   title.
>
> o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want
>   to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between
>   two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a
> solution.
>
> o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find
>   solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab
> stops).
>
> o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not
> know,
>   if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  carecom-solutions....@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf Of Yves Barbion
> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 10:58 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output:
> best practices and good documentation?
>
> Hi group
>
> I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on
> how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated
> from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does
> not help me very much:
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf
>
> Thanks
>
> Yves
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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Reng Winfried]

Hi Yves,

I also started to convert my unstructured documentation to HTML5.
And I do not have any tutorials or best practices. I am still experimenting.
I will look for more information in the online help and in the various forums
and blogs.
My first impressions and questions:

o Default settings are good.

o I do not know which font will be used. Probably my font will be replaced
  by something else. However, I do not know, which fonts are on Android
  or iOS. Is there are default replacement?

o Graphics conversion with SVG is best. However, if you have
  some other objects in the same anchored frame, then you should
  convert to raster images. I find the results much better than I expected.

o When you have tables with table titles with several paragraphs, then
  you have to use a work-around. HTML allows only a single paragraph.
  See here: https://forums.adobe.com/message/10987920#10987920

o I do not know how I can define which text goes into a topic title.
  E.g. when my paragraph to start a new topic has a table anchor, then
  the whole anchor paragraph and the whole table text will be in the topic
  title.

o Most of our products have order codes like 123.4567. When I want
  to search for such order codes, the . is interpreted as separator between
  two words. As if I want to search for 123 and 4567. I do not know a solution.

o Of course I had written documents with a certain layout. I have to find
  solutions for some of my paragraph layouts (e.g. right-aligned tab stops).

o I adapt a copy of the regular settings file on our network. I do not know,
  if there is a standard solution, where this settings file should reside.

Best regards

Winfried

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 On Behalf 
Of Yves Barbion
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best 
practices and good documentation?

Hi group

I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on how 
to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated from 
unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does not help me 
very much:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf

Thanks

Yves 
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Re: [Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Doug]

Following

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 4:57 AM Yves Barbion  wrote:

> Hi group
>
> I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on
> how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated
> from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does
> not help me very much:
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf
>
> Thanks
>
> Yves
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[Framers] [FrameMaker 2019] Customizing responsive HTML5 output: best practices and good documentation?

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

I'm looking for best practices and good documentation (or user groups) on
how to use and customize FrameMaker 2019 responsive HTML5 output, generated
from unstructured Fm files and from ditamaps. The FrameMaker "Help" does
not help me very much:

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf

Thanks

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019: generating responsive HTML5 from a ditamap: ToC is just an alphabetical list of topic titles

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

This problem seems to happen only when I generate webhelp from a bookmap.
When I generate webhelp from a regular ditamap, the ToC looks fine.

Cheers

Yves

On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:49, Yves Barbion  wrote:

> Hi group
>
> I'm generating responsive html5 from a ditamap, using FrameMaker 2019. I
> see that the table of content is not really a table of contents, but just a
> flat list of all my topics titles, arranged in alphabetical order. Any
> ideas how I can get a "real" ToC in there?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> Yves
>
>
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[Framers] FrameMaker 2019: generating responsive HTML5 from a ditamap: ToC is just an alphabetical list of topic titles

[Yves Barbion]

Hi group

I'm generating responsive html5 from a ditamap, using FrameMaker 2019. I
see that the table of content is not really a table of contents, but just a
flat list of all my topics titles, arranged in alphabetical order. Any
ideas how I can get a "real" ToC in there?

Many thanks in advance.

Yves
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Harding, Dan]

"This is the 1.0 release of that code. Give them six months or a year to get 
the bugs out and address limitations."

Absolutely. However, it will then be six months or a year before I upgrade. I'm 
not about to give them money on faith that it might be fixed, as in its current 
form it's unusable for my needs. There's also the possibility that the cure 
could be worse than the disease. I'll adopt a "wait and see" attitude.

-Dan
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Robert Lauriston]

My guess is Adobe took Windows out of the PDF-generation loop so that
Microsoft updates or selecting the wrong printer driver can't break
it.

This is the 1.0 release of that code. Give them six months or a year
to get the bugs out and address limitations.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Tom Beiswenger
 wrote:
>
> I don’t know if Adobe monitors this list, but the pdf issue, for me, also
> is a deal breaker. Seems absurd that they would take something that worked
> and “improve “ it so well that it now is pretty much useless.
>
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
>>
>> The new PDF creation mechanism and its inflexibility is a complete
> dealbreaker for me. I need to be able to easily create my PDFs in different
> locations with different names on the fly. Having neither of those aspects
> settable at output time nor saved on a per-file basis is utterly dain
> bramaged.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Tom Beiswenger]

I don’t know if Adobe monitors this list, but the pdf issue, for me, also
is a deal breaker. Seems absurd that they would take something that worked
and “improve “ it so well that it now is pretty much useless.

Tom Beiswenger
Bucher Emhart Glass
Horseheads, NY USA
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.comj

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Harding, Dan  wrote:
>
> The new PDF creation mechanism and its inflexibility is a complete
dealbreaker for me. I need to be able to easily create my PDFs in different
locations with different names on the fly. Having neither of those aspects
settable at output time nor saved on a per-file basis is utterly dain
bramaged.
>
> As much as I dislike the idiosyncrasies and instability of Frame 2017
over Frame 2012, I won't be proceeding with Frame 2019 until/unless the PDF
functionality is fixed.
>
> I expect the scaling issues to be a comparatively easier fix.
>
> For now Frame 2019 is DOA (for me) and I'm sticking with Frame 2017.
>
> Dan Harding
> Assistant Director, Information Technologies
>
> University of Illinois Tax School
> College of ACES, Department of ACE
> 114A Mumford Hall, MC-710
> 1301 West Gregory Drive
> Urbana, IL 61801
> Phone: 217-333-0935
> Fax: 217-244-5933
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers  On Behalf Of Oran Petersen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:44 PM
> To: Digest FrameMaker 
> Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look
>
> TCS 2019
> I have purchased and installed this new version on two Win 10 computers,
fully updated with version 1803. One is a Surface Book with a native
resolution of 3000 x 2000. The other is a Surface Pro 3 with a native
resolution of 2160 x 1440. Both have a 2nd monitor of 1920 x 1080. This is
now a 64 bit program.
>
> *The initial download from Adobe failed, showing complete when in reality
it did not complete, making it impossible to install. An Adobe tech did a
“back door” alternate process to fix that, and was helpful with the
download and install.
>
> Thoughts and issues so far for FrameMaker 2019 include:
> The display scaling is broken. The main high-res monitor is great, with
200% text scaling on the Book and 150% on the Pro 3. But when you move the
window to the 2nd monitor it does not rescale, making the text, menus, etc.
huge. All other apps, including Frame 2017 work as expected. This makes
Frame 2019 almost unusable on the 2nd monitor, or imagine, on any lower res
monitor. 1080 is not the newest, but is not old either. It is awful at even
the lowest text display setting of 100%. Frame 2017 had some display
issues, but the scaling worked fine.
>
> The PDF engine is a complete remake. The TCS uses Acrobat 2017, the
latest version. The processing no longer uses the distiller. It is all
internal. Frame “Save As” PDF does not allow you to choose your file name
or storage location. The location must be set first in the Publish pod and
is not held on a file basis. Frame Print Setup does allow you to choose an
output folder, but the Publish output setting overrides it, so I see no
value there. The only purpose for the distiller now seems to be to process
postscript files to a PDF. Making a PDF in Word, Excel, etc. does allow
choices for name, location, etc.
>
> You must set the Win 10 file associations to use Acrobat 2017 as a
default for the PDF extension. If you don’t, you get nothing; no file, no
error message. This may be the issue for Susan Corcoran on her Thursday
post of blank PDF.
>
> So, overall, settings and management and creation of PDF with Frame 2019
needs work. Lots of it. Very confusing and convoluted with lots of broken
code and different places to set things, some of which do not work. They
did not get the interface between PDF in and out of Frame correct. Settings
often do not “take” because they are stepped on by the Publish function.
>
> The color management is now totally automatic. There is no choice of RGB
or CMYK anywhere. Evidently the new engine determines the color model for
each graphic and uses it for processing. This is an improvement if it
works. This was another of Susan's issues.
>
> So the fixes needed include:
> *Display scaling across monitors with different resolution. (High
Priority) *Save As PDF needs to work as it did in Frame 2017. Publish
functions should be an alternative, not a requirement. The Frame settings
should have priority and not default to the Publish Pod settings.
>
> As a workaround right now, most of us will probably use the Publish pod
for everything. A real pain.
> -Choose the Source Docu

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Harding, Dan]

The new PDF creation mechanism and its inflexibility is a complete dealbreaker 
for me. I need to be able to easily create my PDFs in different locations with 
different names on the fly. Having neither of those aspects settable at output 
time nor saved on a per-file basis is utterly dain bramaged.

As much as I dislike the idiosyncrasies and instability of Frame 2017 over 
Frame 2012, I won't be proceeding with Frame 2019 until/unless the PDF 
functionality is fixed.

I expect the scaling issues to be a comparatively easier fix.

For now Frame 2019 is DOA (for me) and I'm sticking with Frame 2017.

Dan Harding
Assistant Director, Information Technologies

University of Illinois Tax School
College of ACES, Department of ACE
114A Mumford Hall, MC-710
1301 West Gregory Drive
Urbana, IL 61801
Phone: 217-333-0935
Fax: 217-244-5933
TaxSchool.Illinois.edu

-Original Message-
From: Framers  On 
Behalf Of Oran Petersen
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 2:44 PM
To: Digest FrameMaker 
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

TCS 2019
I have purchased and installed this new version on two Win 10 computers, fully 
updated with version 1803. One is a Surface Book with a native resolution of 
3000 x 2000. The other is a Surface Pro 3 with a native resolution of 2160 x 
1440. Both have a 2nd monitor of 1920 x 1080. This is now a 64 bit program.

*The initial download from Adobe failed, showing complete when in reality it 
did not complete, making it impossible to install. An Adobe tech did a “back 
door” alternate process to fix that, and was helpful with the download and 
install.

Thoughts and issues so far for FrameMaker 2019 include:
The display scaling is broken. The main high-res monitor is great, with 200% 
text scaling on the Book and 150% on the Pro 3. But when you move the window to 
the 2nd monitor it does not rescale, making the text, menus, etc. huge. All 
other apps, including Frame 2017 work as expected. This makes Frame 2019 almost 
unusable on the 2nd monitor, or imagine, on any lower res monitor. 1080 is not 
the newest, but is not old either. It is awful at even the lowest text display 
setting of 100%. Frame 2017 had some display issues, but the scaling worked 
fine.

The PDF engine is a complete remake. The TCS uses Acrobat 2017, the latest 
version. The processing no longer uses the distiller. It is all internal. Frame 
“Save As” PDF does not allow you to choose your file name or storage location. 
The location must be set first in the Publish pod and is not held on a file 
basis. Frame Print Setup does allow you to choose an output folder, but the 
Publish output setting overrides it, so I see no value there. The only purpose 
for the distiller now seems to be to process postscript files to a PDF. Making 
a PDF in Word, Excel, etc. does allow choices for name, location, etc.

You must set the Win 10 file associations to use Acrobat 2017 as a default for 
the PDF extension. If you don’t, you get nothing; no file, no error message. 
This may be the issue for Susan Corcoran on her Thursday post of blank PDF.

So, overall, settings and management and creation of PDF with Frame 2019 needs 
work. Lots of it. Very confusing and convoluted with lots of broken code and 
different places to set things, some of which do not work. They did not get the 
interface between PDF in and out of Frame correct. Settings often do not “take” 
because they are stepped on by the Publish function.

The color management is now totally automatic. There is no choice of RGB or 
CMYK anywhere. Evidently the new engine determines the color model for each 
graphic and uses it for processing. This is an improvement if it works. This 
was another of Susan's issues.

So the fixes needed include:
*Display scaling across monitors with different resolution. (High Priority) 
*Save As PDF needs to work as it did in Frame 2017. Publish functions should be 
an alternative, not a requirement. The Frame settings should have priority and 
not default to the Publish Pod settings.

As a workaround right now, most of us will probably use the Publish pod for 
everything. A real pain.
-Choose the Source Document
-Choose the output type (PDF)
-Create or Choose a settings file that is what you want -Choose an Output 
Folder -Hit the “Generate selected Output” Icon in the pod -Hit the “View 
Output” Icon as desired.

Wow. This is an improvement? Before I could set up the PDF in Frame once for a 
file and it would work for that file every time, and I could choose a file name 
and location if desired. The default file name and folder was always the Frame 
name and Frame storage location. This was much better.

The above is a quick overview of a quick look at TCS 2019. There may be 
settings and methods to fix some of this that I have not learned yet. 

Your input is appreciated.
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Oran Petersen]

In answer to Caroline's question below:
Ever since day-one the rule has been that you should have only one version of 
Acrobat on your machine. When I was working for a large company managing this 
stuff, one of my biggest issues was those who intentionally or accidently 
loaded two version on their machine, which usually destroyed the ability to 
successfully create a PDF that worked correctly. Even Reader and full Acrobat 
on one machine could cause issues. I would have to uninstall all of them and 
re-install the correct one. 
For the later versions, Adobe installation now removes other versions for you. 
So my 2 machines now have only Acrobat 2017, which is the version that comes 
with TCS 2019. There is now no sign of DC or earlier versions on my machines. 
2017 should convert PF to Word very nicely, better than earlier versions, so 
should not be an issue for you. The install added an ACROBAT menu item to Word 
and other Office 365 products, which work well. I have also printed to PDF from 
older applications with no issues so far. None of them use or need the 
distiller. As I stated, earlier, the distiller seems needed only to convert 
postscript (ps) files.
I surmise that it is best to install Acrobat last so that it can set up the 
other apps for you.
Oran Petersen
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Question.

If Acrobat DC is installed on the computer, how do they influence each
other.

I use it to fine tune files created in Word.
To export from PDF to Word.

Is there an order of installation for these?

Caroline Tabach

?? ??? ??, 29 ? 2018, 22:44, ??? Oran Petersen ?<
orand...@comcast.net>:
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[Framers] FrameMaker 2019

[Caroline Tabach]

I must also praise Adobe Support for getting this new version too me fast
and easily.

However, there seem to be some bugs. The system suddenly stopped froze
completely a couple of times.

I wanted to create a new paragraph tag and then everything fronze
Has anyone else encountered this?



Apart from that it looks very nice.

Has anyone else encountered this?


-- 
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Technical/Marcom Writer
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Caroline Tabach]

Question.

If Acrobat DC is installed on the computer, how do they influence each
other.

I use it to fine tune files created in Word.
To export from PDF to Word.

Is there an order of installation for these?

Caroline Tabach

בתאריך יום ד׳, 29 באוג׳ 2018, 22:44, מאת Oran Petersen ‏<
orand...@comcast.net>:

> TCS 2019
> I have purchased and installed this new version on two Win 10 computers,
> fully updated with version 1803. One is a Surface Book with a native
> resolution of 3000 x 2000. The other is a Surface Pro 3 with a native
> resolution of 2160 x 1440. Both have a 2nd monitor of 1920 x 1080. This is
> now a 64 bit program.
>
> *The initial download from Adobe failed, showing complete when in reality
> it did not complete, making it impossible to install. An Adobe tech did a
> “back door” alternate process to fix that, and was helpful with the
> download and install.
>
> Thoughts and issues so far for FrameMaker 2019 include:
> The display scaling is broken. The main high-res monitor is great, with
> 200% text scaling on the Book and 150% on the Pro 3. But when you move the
> window to the 2nd monitor it does not rescale, making the text, menus, etc.
> huge. All other apps, including Frame 2017 work as expected. This makes
> Frame 2019 almost unusable on the 2nd monitor, or imagine, on any lower res
> monitor. 1080 is not the newest, but is not old either. It is awful at even
> the lowest text display setting of 100%. Frame 2017 had some display
> issues, but the scaling worked fine.
>
> The PDF engine is a complete remake. The TCS uses Acrobat 2017, the latest
> version. The processing no longer uses the distiller. It is all internal.
> Frame “Save As” PDF does not allow you to choose your file name or storage
> location. The location must be set first in the Publish pod and is not held
> on a file basis. Frame Print Setup does allow you to choose an output
> folder, but the Publish output setting overrides it, so I see no value
> there. The only purpose for the distiller now seems to be to process
> postscript files to a PDF. Making a PDF in Word, Excel, etc. does allow
> choices for name, location, etc.
>
> You must set the Win 10 file associations to use Acrobat 2017 as a default
> for the PDF extension. If you don’t, you get nothing; no file, no error
> message. This may be the issue for Susan Corcoran on her Thursday post of
> blank PDF.
>
> So, overall, settings and management and creation of PDF with Frame 2019
> needs work. Lots of it. Very confusing and convoluted with lots of broken
> code and different places to set things, some of which do not work. They
> did not get the interface between PDF in and out of Frame correct. Settings
> often do not “take” because they are stepped on by the Publish function.
>
> The color management is now totally automatic. There is no choice of RGB
> or CMYK anywhere. Evidently the new engine determines the color model for
> each graphic and uses it for processing. This is an improvement if it
> works. This was another of Susan's issues.
>
> So the fixes needed include:
> *Display scaling across monitors with different resolution. (High Priority)
> *Save As PDF needs to work as it did in Frame 2017. Publish functions
> should be an alternative, not a requirement. The Frame settings should have
> priority and not default to the Publish Pod settings.
>
> As a workaround right now, most of us will probably use the Publish pod
> for everything. A real pain.
> -Choose the Source Document
> -Choose the output type (PDF)
> -Create or Choose a settings file that is what you want
> -Choose an Output Folder
> -Hit the “Generate selected Output” Icon in the pod
> -Hit the “View Output” Icon as desired.
>
> Wow. This is an improvement? Before I could set up the PDF in Frame once
> for a file and it would work for that file every time, and I could choose a
> file name and location if desired. The default file name and folder was
> always the Frame name and Frame storage location. This was much better.
>
> The above is a quick overview of a quick look at TCS 2019. There may be
> settings and methods to fix some of this that I have not learned yet.
>
> Your input is appreciated.
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[Framers] FrameMaker 2019 Issues and First Look

[Oran Petersen]

TCS 2019 
I have purchased and installed this new version on two Win 10 computers, fully 
updated with version 1803. One is a Surface Book with a native resolution of 
3000 x 2000. The other is a Surface Pro 3 with a native resolution of 2160 x 
1440. Both have a 2nd monitor of 1920 x 1080. This is now a 64 bit program.

*The initial download from Adobe failed, showing complete when in reality it 
did not complete, making it impossible to install. An Adobe tech did a “back 
door” alternate process to fix that, and was helpful with the download and 
install.

Thoughts and issues so far for FrameMaker 2019 include:
The display scaling is broken. The main high-res monitor is great, with 200% 
text scaling on the Book and 150% on the Pro 3. But when you move the window to 
the 2nd monitor it does not rescale, making the text, menus, etc. huge. All 
other apps, including Frame 2017 work as expected. This makes Frame 2019 almost 
unusable on the 2nd monitor, or imagine, on any lower res monitor. 1080 is not 
the newest, but is not old either. It is awful at even the lowest text display 
setting of 100%. Frame 2017 had some display issues, but the scaling worked 
fine.

The PDF engine is a complete remake. The TCS uses Acrobat 2017, the latest 
version. The processing no longer uses the distiller. It is all internal. Frame 
“Save As” PDF does not allow you to choose your file name or storage location. 
The location must be set first in the Publish pod and is not held on a file 
basis. Frame Print Setup does allow you to choose an output folder, but the 
Publish output setting overrides it, so I see no value there. The only purpose 
for the distiller now seems to be to process postscript files to a PDF. Making 
a PDF in Word, Excel, etc. does allow choices for name, location, etc.

You must set the Win 10 file associations to use Acrobat 2017 as a default for 
the PDF extension. If you don’t, you get nothing; no file, no error message. 
This may be the issue for Susan Corcoran on her Thursday post of blank PDF.

So, overall, settings and management and creation of PDF with Frame 2019 needs 
work. Lots of it. Very confusing and convoluted with lots of broken code and 
different places to set things, some of which do not work. They did not get the 
interface between PDF in and out of Frame correct. Settings often do not “take” 
because they are stepped on by the Publish function.

The color management is now totally automatic. There is no choice of RGB or 
CMYK anywhere. Evidently the new engine determines the color model for each 
graphic and uses it for processing. This is an improvement if it works. This 
was another of Susan's issues.

So the fixes needed include:
*Display scaling across monitors with different resolution. (High Priority)
*Save As PDF needs to work as it did in Frame 2017. Publish functions should be 
an alternative, not a requirement. The Frame settings should have priority and 
not default to the Publish Pod settings.

As a workaround right now, most of us will probably use the Publish pod for 
everything. A real pain.
-Choose the Source Document
-Choose the output type (PDF)
-Create or Choose a settings file that is what you want
-Choose an Output Folder
-Hit the “Generate selected Output” Icon in the pod
-Hit the “View Output” Icon as desired.

Wow. This is an improvement? Before I could set up the PDF in Frame once for a 
file and it would work for that file every time, and I could choose a file name 
and location if desired. The default file name and folder was always the Frame 
name and Frame storage location. This was much better.

The above is a quick overview of a quick look at TCS 2019. There may be 
settings and methods to fix some of this that I have not learned yet. 

Your input is appreciated.
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