Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Here's another two that I like for repeating the last command (Esc r,r) and applying the default font (Esc d,d): > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:43 PM Lin Sims wrote: > Oooo! I like the back command. I shall add it. Thank you! > > Yes, I edited cmds.cfg to disable the rotate table cell text shortcut. I > haven't been able to think of a better sequence, but it's not like I use it > often enough to worry about a shortcut. The table row format command, > though, I use multiple times a week. > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:36 AM Shmuel wrote: > > > You can always edit cmds.cfg and change the KeySequence to something > else. > > It's located at: > > C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker2015\fminit\configui > > depending on your FM version. > > > > For example, this adds Esc b,b for the Back command: > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > Shmuel Wolfson > > Technical Writer > > 058-763-7133 > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Klaus Daube wrote: > > > > > On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > > > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this > week > > > will > > > > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the > > > next > > > > one. > > > > > > The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the > shorter > > > does not > > > work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: > > > > > >for > > Ths ruins the definition for > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: > > > Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because > this > > > is already > > > used for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~ > > > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > > > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > > > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Oooo! I like the back command. I shall add it. Thank you! Yes, I edited cmds.cfg to disable the rotate table cell text shortcut. I haven't been able to think of a better sequence, but it's not like I use it often enough to worry about a shortcut. The table row format command, though, I use multiple times a week. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 8:36 AM Shmuel wrote: > You can always edit cmds.cfg and change the KeySequence to something else. > It's located at: > C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker2015\fminit\configui > depending on your FM version. > > For example, this adds Esc b,b for the Back command: > > > > >> > > -- > Shmuel Wolfson > Technical Writer > 058-763-7133 > > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Klaus Daube wrote: > > > On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: > > > > > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week > > will > > > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the > > next > > > one. > > > > The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the shorter > > does not > > work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: > > > >for > Ths ruins the definition for > > > > >> > > > > Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: > > Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because this > > is already > > used for > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~ > > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
You can always edit cmds.cfg and change the KeySequence to something else. It's located at: C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\AdobeFrameMaker2015\fminit\configui depending on your FM version. For example, this adds Esc b,b for the Back command: > -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 058-763-7133 On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 1:11 PM Klaus Daube wrote: > On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: > > > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week > will > > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the > next > > one. > > The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the shorter > does not > work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: > >for Ths ruins the definition for > >> > > Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: > Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because this > is already > used for > > > > > > > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Yep. I replaced all the < with [ and I can use my table format shortcut again. Yay! Thanks for the tip. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:49 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > On 21 Aug 2019 at 8:22, Lin Sims wrote: > > > Wait. If I take OUT the command for rotating text from cmds.cfg, does > that > > mean I'd get my add rows/columns back? I must investigate! > > Yes, Lin, that should do the trick: > The commands are not copied to the user area, hence you must modify their > original > > Replace the angle brackets in line1641 in $HOME\fminit\configui\cmds.cfg > with (for example) braces > Or remove the line alltogether. > > « 2019-08-22 This violates the ESC t r (Table row format) from above ! > >«KeySequence \!trc» >> > > I have done this on my system already, because there is no means to use > the modify > statement for deletion of a > command.~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
On 21 Aug 2019 at 8:22, Lin Sims wrote: > Wait. If I take OUT the command for rotating text from cmds.cfg, does that > mean I'd get my add rows/columns back? I must investigate! Yes, Lin, that should do the trick: The commands are not copied to the user area, hence you must modify their original Replace the angle brackets in line1641 in $HOME\fminit\configui\cmds.cfg with (for example) braces Or remove the line alltogether. « 2019-08-22 This violates the ESC t r (Table row format) from above ! «KeySequence \!trc» > I have done this on my system already, because there is no means to use the modify statement for deletion of a command.~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Wait. If I take OUT the command for rotating text from cmds.cfg, does that mean I'd get my add rows/columns back? I must investigate! On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 8:21 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Ugh. I'd rather not have a shortcut for rotating the cell contents, since > that's something I do very rarely. Adding rows or columns, however, is a > daily thing. > > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:54 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > >> On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: >> >> > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week >> will >> > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the >> next >> > one. >> >> The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the shorter >> does not >> work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: >> >>for > Ths ruins the definition for > >> >>> >> >> Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: >> Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because this >> is already >> used for >> >> > >> >> >> >> ~~ >> Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 >> Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch >> CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch >> >> >> > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Ugh. I'd rather not have a shortcut for rotating the cell contents, since that's something I do very rarely. Adding rows or columns, however, is a daily thing. On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 4:54 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: > > > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week > will > > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the > next > > one. > > The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the shorter > does not > work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: > >for Ths ruins the definition for > >> > > Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: > Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because this > is already > used for > > > > > > > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
On 19 Aug 2019 at 16:53, Lin Sims wrote: > Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week will > have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the next > one. The problem is this: As soon as a longer sequence is defined, the shorter does not work any more. In cmds.cfg the following is defined: for > Conflicts like this can not easily be entangled: Changing \!trc to \!tcr (Table Cell Rotate) is not possible, because this is already used for > ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
It was precisely for this purpose that I bought a keyboard with 10 programmable hotkeys. I use them for FrameMaker shortcuts, and it has saved me a world of bother. Doug On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:53 PM Lin Sims wrote: > You can still use the keyboard shortcuts, and the new features often have > both Windows and Esc shortcuts added. > > Of course, occasionally they'll add a new feature and break a shortcut, but > they're fairly responsive to bug reports. Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, > broke; I doubt if the update this week will have it fixed since I just > reported it, but I have high hopes for the next one. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:18 PM Alan Litchfield > wrote: > > > I know right? > > > > That was the implied point. > > > > Alan > > > > -- > > Dr Alan Litchfield > > AlphaByte > > PO Box 1941 > > Auckland, New Zealand 1140 > > > > On 20/08/19 08:11, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > > How do you figure that? FrameMaker has never caught on among graphic > > > designers. They used Pagemaker, then Quark, then (and now) InDesign. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:51 AM Alan Litchfield > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional > > >> publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still > be > > >> using it. > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
You can still use the keyboard shortcuts, and the new features often have both Windows and Esc shortcuts added. Of course, occasionally they'll add a new feature and break a shortcut, but they're fairly responsive to bug reports. Recently the Row Format: Esc+tr, broke; I doubt if the update this week will have it fixed since I just reported it, but I have high hopes for the next one. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:18 PM Alan Litchfield wrote: > I know right? > > That was the implied point. > > Alan > > -- > Dr Alan Litchfield > AlphaByte > PO Box 1941 > Auckland, New Zealand 1140 > > On 20/08/19 08:11, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > How do you figure that? FrameMaker has never caught on among graphic > > designers. They used Pagemaker, then Quark, then (and now) InDesign. > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:51 AM Alan Litchfield > wrote: > >> > >> If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional > >> publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still be > >> using it. > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
I know right? That was the implied point. Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 On 20/08/19 08:11, Robert Lauriston wrote: How do you figure that? FrameMaker has never caught on among graphic designers. They used Pagemaker, then Quark, then (and now) InDesign. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:51 AM Alan Litchfield wrote: If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still be using it. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
I would add too, that I still think that Adobe should have persisted with Frame 5.5 on Linux, and it was an unfortunate mistake to allow the stoush with Apple (if that was what it is was) close the door on having FM on the Mac. The examples of user enhancements described, the key commands, formatting styles easily accessed with the keyboard, and other useful functions are what kept me using FM for two decades. This quote is most telling, "customers switching to FrameMaker from Interleaf was how much less tedious it felt to use FrameMaker." FM is pretty tedious now. Find the pod, click-click-click, find the pallette, click,... :( What a great read! Cheers Alan -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 On 20/08/19 06:50, Alan Litchfield wrote: Thank you for posting the link. FM is certainly one of the unsung heroes in computing history. Even now, publishing systems are not considered important, until they break. If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still be using it. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 On 19/08/19 22:25, Klaus Daube wrote: Friends of FrameMaker, Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's history. The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by David Murray on the history of FrameMaker. The article (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear in the 2019 July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web: www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
How do you figure that? FrameMaker has never caught on among graphic designers. They used Pagemaker, then Quark, then (and now) InDesign. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 11:51 AM Alan Litchfield wrote: > > If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional > publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still be > using it. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Thank you for posting the link. FM is certainly one of the unsung heroes in computing history. Even now, publishing systems are not considered important, until they break. If it were not that FM had diverged from the familiar and functional publishing system to a graphic designer tool, I would probably still be using it. -- Dr Alan Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 1941 Auckland, New Zealand 1140 On 19/08/19 22:25, Klaus Daube wrote: Friends of FrameMaker, Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's history. The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by David Murray on the history of FrameMaker. The article (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear in the 2019 July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Thanks, Klaus: I first encountered FrameMaker3 on a Mac computer when I started as a technical writer at Sybase in 1989, a week after the Loma Prieta earthquake that flattened the Cypress highway ramp which exited a few blocks from the company's Emeryville, CA, headquarters. The quake hit when I was swimming in the pool behind my San Jose house, thinking that in a few days I'd be starting a new long daily commute, and taking that exit ramp to my new job Suddenly, the Earth moved, sloshing me nearly out of the pool, and instantly, 50 miles of damage along the tectonic fault connected me to my new workplace! At that time, the tech pubs department was evaluating FM and other new publishing tools, while continuing to create, edit, layout, and publish its user manuals on Sun text-based workstations, using a customized flavor of *xroff. *Some years later, on a tech-writer's or FrameMaker forum, I read an allegedly-factual translation of the familiar "Lorum Ipsum" placeholder text, which, the poster claimed, validated that ancient scribes, the tech writers of old had written it, because it seemed to say, "we love to beat ourselves with sticks." It took me back to writing and marking-up text in *xroff.* After I became a certified FM trainer, in 1995, I took a full-on week-long FM+SGML training course on the eighth-floor of Adobe's San Jose headquarters. Just as the instructor projected a slide for the sample chapter titled, "The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake," BINGO!! The building started quaking. For those who'd traveled cross-country, it was momentary horror. Over the sounds of car alarms rising from the outside parking lots, we acclimated Californians calmed them down, and Adobe rolled out refreshment carts. BUT, when we got back to class, the instructor "corrected" the chapter title to, "The 1995 San Jose Earthquake." The humor did its job. But, I'd never since been able to present the training material without telling the story. Reading David Murray's FrameMaker history article reminded me of yet one more earthquake-ish connection, namely the effect FM had and has continued to have on technical publishing. One of the earliest FrameMaker adopters was CERN, the European research center responsible for so much basic scientific discovery. If verifying the existence of the Higgs boson doesn't count as a tectonic shift in the Earth's knowledge of particle physics, what does? Research is useless if it's not well-documented and shared. FM has deserves credit for enabling CERN's researchers to publish their work. So, here's to FrameMaker's founders, and those who joined the team and accreted their knowledge around the "how can this be done better?" irritation at the core, that started the creation of a pearly solution. Yes, we've learned to live with and love FM's irregularities and bumpiness. But remember, also, to credit those who've persisted in keeping alive long-running pleas for features that are still in the "to be addressed in some future release" queue. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 5:25 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > Friends of FrameMaker, > > Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, > IEEE Annals of > the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's > history. > > The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by > David Murray on > the history of FrameMaker. The article > (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear > in the 2019 > July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing > (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). > > For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. > Klaus > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Klaus, thanks so much for sharing this. Do you believe that the PDF could be put on the Frameusers.com Web site without violating any copyright? I don't see the name of the publication in which it appeared anywhere in the PDF. And when you have completed your Web page about the history of FM, perhaps I could create a link to it as well? Carol At 04:25 AM 8/19/2019, Klaus Daube wrote: The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by David Murray on the history of FrameMaker. The article (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear in the 2019 July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. Klaus ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Thank you! On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 8:38 AM Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: > Thanks. Great to have this. > > Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > > > > > > > mán., 19. ágú. 2019 kl. 12:18 skrifaði Lin Sims : > > > Very cool. Please tell him thank you, from a FrameMaker fan. > > > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:25 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > > > > > Friends of FrameMaker, > > > > > > Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, > > > IEEE Annals of > > > the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about > FM's > > > history. > > > > > > The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by > > > David Murray on > > > the history of FrameMaker. The article > > > (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will > > appear > > > in the 2019 > > > July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing > > > (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). > > > > > > For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of > > FM. > > > Klaus > > > ~~ > > > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > > > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > > > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Thanks. Great to have this. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson mán., 19. ágú. 2019 kl. 12:18 skrifaði Lin Sims : > Very cool. Please tell him thank you, from a FrameMaker fan. > > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:25 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > > > Friends of FrameMaker, > > > > Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, > > IEEE Annals of > > the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's > > history. > > > > The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by > > David Murray on > > the history of FrameMaker. The article > > (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will > appear > > in the 2019 > > July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing > > (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). > > > > For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of > FM. > > Klaus > > ~~ > > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Very cool. Please tell him thank you, from a FrameMaker fan. On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 6:25 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > Friends of FrameMaker, > > Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, > IEEE Annals of > the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's > history. > > The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by > David Murray on > the history of FrameMaker. The article > (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear > in the 2019 > July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing > (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). > > For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. > Klaus > ~~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] News about the FrameMaker history
Friends of FrameMaker, Today I got a mail from David Hemmendinger (Associate Editor-in-chief, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing) with two corrections for my web-page about FM's history. The wonderful surplus of this mail is the link to the full article by David Murray on the history of FrameMaker. The article (http://walden-family.com/david-murray/frame-posted.pdf) will will appear in the 2019 July-Sept issue of the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing (http://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/an). For the first time we have genuine information about the early days of FM. Klaus ~~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
