Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
ć is Unicode U+0107, so the keyboard shortcut should be Alt-0107. Linotype shows their Neue Helvetica having that glyph, but there's no "Std" weight. I don't think any font has "all the characters and glyphs that exist." The old quick reference cards are from pre-Unicode versions. Through FM7 it used its own proprietary character sets. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
Hi Karen, I can only confirm what Tino said: ć is not part of HelveticaNeueLTStd. Check for example here to see the available characters in this font: https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/adobe/helvetica-neue/ The Windows character palette shows also characters which are _not_ in a particular font. Use another tool like the free font browser BabelMap. It also has some font analysis tools which show all available characters of a certain font. I just saw that the developers of BabelMap do not provide a download until Unicode 9 is out. http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html However, if you search for BabelMap you will find other sites from which you can download it. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tino H. Haida Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 4:10 AM To: Karen Robbins Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent Hi Karen, I checked with FM 2015 on PC: The glyph palette shows more characters, that is true, but only characters that really are part of the font have a correct wysiwyg preview. If you click on the "ć", a question mark is shown in the text, which is the expected result. As far as I can tell, you should "upgrade" the Helvetica font... It will be a little bit more expensive, but it is the best way to have a consistent design throughout all different languages. Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin Karen Robbins: > Hi Tino, > > Hm, that's interesting. On the Mac side, it does contain all the glyphs. And > in the FM Character Palette, it looks like they are there as well (definitely > NOT there for the basic Helvetica, in contrast). > > I'll look into another (Pro) version for the PC side. Would be a help with > Greek characters, too--I already had to add a special font for those. > > Thanks! > --Karen > > At 2:55 AM +0200 6/23/16, Tino H. Haida wrote: Hi Karen, > > the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters. > > You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with > Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek > and Cyrillic characters). > > Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype. > > Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin > > Karen Robbins: > > Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but > not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all > the characters and glyphs that exist. > > K > > At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: > > I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). > > Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you > find "ç". > > Alison > > Technical Documentation Specialist > mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com><mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com > | <>bkultrasound.com > > From: Framers > [mailto:<mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com>framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Karen Robbins > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM > To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent > > I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name > Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame > on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick > reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that > version). Still true for v11 and forward? > > Thanks for your help, > Karen This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
Hi Karen, I checked with FM 2015 on PC: The glyph palette shows more characters, that is true, but only characters that really are part of the font have a correct wysiwyg preview. If you click on the "ć", a question mark is shown in the text, which is the expected result. As far as I can tell, you should "upgrade" the Helvetica font... It will be a little bit more expensive, but it is the best way to have a consistent design throughout all different languages. Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin Karen Robbins: > Hi Tino, > > Hm, that's interesting. On the Mac side, it does contain all the glyphs. And > in the FM Character Palette, it looks like they are there as well (definitely > NOT there for the basic Helvetica, in contrast). > > I'll look into another (Pro) version for the PC side. Would be a help with > Greek characters, too--I already had to add a special font for those. > > Thanks! > --Karen > > At 2:55 AM +0200 6/23/16, Tino H. Haida wrote: Hi Karen, > > the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters. > > You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with > Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek > and Cyrillic characters). > > Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype. > > Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin > > Karen Robbins: > > Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but > not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all > the characters and glyphs that exist. > > K > > At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: > > I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). > > Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you > find "ç". > > Alison > > Technical Documentation Specialist > mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com><mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com > | <>bkultrasound.com > > From: Framers > [mailto:<mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com>framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Karen Robbins > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM > To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent > > I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name > Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame > on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick > reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that > version). Still true for v11 and forward? > > Thanks for your help, > Karen > ___ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
Hi Tino, Hm, that's interesting. On the Mac side, it does contain all the glyphs. And in the FM Character Palette, it looks like they are there as well (definitely NOT there for the basic Helvetica, in contrast). I'll look into another (Pro) version for the PC side. Would be a help with Greek characters, too--I already had to add a special font for those. Thanks! --Karen At 2:55 AM +0200 6/23/16, Tino H. Haida wrote: Hi Karen, the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters. You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek and Cyrillic characters). Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype. Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin Karen Robbins: Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all the characters and glyphs that exist. K At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you find "ç". Alison Technical Documentation Specialist mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com><mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com | <>bkultrasound.com From: Framers [mailto:<mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com>framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM To: <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that version). Still true for v11 and forward? Thanks for your help, Karen ___ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
Hi Karen, the Std-font contains only the standard latin (western) characters. You would need the Pro-version of this Helvetica font (=latin extended, with Central European characters) oder the WGL4 font (includes also Baltic, Greek and Cyrillic characters). Pls refer to the website of a font vendor like Linotype. Best regards -- Tino H. Haida, Berlin Karen Robbins: > Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but > not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all > the characters and glyphs that exist. > > K > > At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: > >> I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File >> > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). >> >> Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you >> find "ç". >> >> Alison >> >> Technical Documentation Specialist >> <mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com | <>bkultrasound.com >> >> From: Framers >> [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On >> Behalf Of Karen Robbins >> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM >> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent >> >> I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name >> Mi"iç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame >> on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick >> reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that >> version). Still true for v11 and forward? >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Karen >> ___ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
Actually, I spoke too soon. It does work for some fonts (e.g., Garamond), but not others--including HelveticaNeueLT Std, the one I need. It should have all the characters and glyphs that exist. K At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you find "ç". Alison Technical Documentation Specialist <mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com | <>bkultrasound.com From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name Miiç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that version). Still true for v11 and forward? Thanks for your help, Karen ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at <http://www.frameusers.com>http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at <http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at <http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com>listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
D'oh! Thanks! Wonder why that works so easily but any key combo attempt does not? --Karen At 8:41 PM + 6/22/16, Craig, Alison wrote: I don't know how to do it with the keyboard, but it's easy to do using File > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you find "ç". Alison Technical Documentation Specialist <mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com>acr...@bkultrasound.com | <>bkultrasound.com From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name Miiç), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that version). Still true for v11 and forward? Thanks for your help, Karen ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at <http://www.frameusers.com>http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at <http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at <http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com>listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
I don’t know how to do it with the keyboard, but it’s easy to do using File > Utilities > Character Palette (FM 12). Select the font you want (eg, Arial) and go through the palette until you find “ć”. Alison Technical Documentation Specialist acr...@bkultrasound.com<mailto:acr...@bkultrasound.com> | bkultrasound.com From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:57 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name Mišić), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that version). Still true for v11 and forward? Thanks for your help, Karen ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Unusual C-Acute Accent
I am trying to keyboard an acute accent over the letter C (as in the name Mišić), which can be done on a Mac and in HTML but apparently not in Frame on the PC. Alt+0263 doesn't work. A colleague with a versions-old FM quick reference card says it confirms that couldn't be done (at least at that version). Still true for v11 and forward? Thanks for your help, Karen ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
