Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
I believe in MIF you could simply replace with . On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com> wrote: > Couldn't this be done in the MIF file with Find/Replace? > > I'm sure there's someone out there with a lot more MIF experience than I have > who could speak to this option? (I have done a few large "fixes" in the MIF > for other issues but only after a Frame expert from this list has offered > guidance on how to go about it.) > > Alison > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of Julie A Beste-Walz > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 10:12 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 > > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario. > I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files. > One of these conditional text tags was created and applied inadvertently and > should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags. > For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and > Conditional Text C. > The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and > only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the Conditional Text > tag, Conditional Text C. > Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but > that didn't work. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
Couldn't this be done in the MIF file with Find/Replace? I'm sure there's someone out there with a lot more MIF experience than I have who could speak to this option? (I have done a few large "fixes" in the MIF for other issues but only after a Frame expert from this list has offered guidance on how to go about it.) Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Julie A Beste-Walz Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 10:12 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 Hello, I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario. I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files. One of these conditional text tags was created and applied inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags. For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and Conditional Text C. The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C. Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but that didn't work. Julie Beste-Walz Licensing Analyst ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
Hi Julie, I think this calls for scripting, as there is no way to redefine the current conditional tags to an already existing one. the scripting environment is included in FM since version 10. If there are enough tags it might be worth your time or budget to either do the scripting yourself or get an experienced scripter to do it for you. I am too busy but you can ask Rick Quatro. He knows his way around the FM scripting jungle. I am guessing he might respond pretty quickly to this message. Good luck Jang > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 13:11:52 -0400 > From: Julie A Beste-Walz <<beste-wa...@dteenergy.com>> > To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12 > > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario. > I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files. > One of these conditional text tags was created and applied > inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional > text tags. > For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and > Conditional Text C. > The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and > only tagged as Conditional Text B so > that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C. > Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but > that didn't work. > > Julie Beste-Walz > Licensing Analyst > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
Find some text tagged with Condition B. Edit > Copy Special > Conditional Text Settings Then Edit > Find Change; Select Conditional Text from the Find list, move Condition C into the "In" window, select By Pasting in the To list, then Find & Change All. Or Find, then Change, rinse and repeat if you want to be sure you're changing the right thing. On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Julie A Beste-Walz < beste-wa...@dteenergy.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario. > I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files. > One of these conditional text tags was created and applied > inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 > conditional text tags. > For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and > Conditional Text C. > The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and > only tagged as Conditional Text B so > that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C. > Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag > but that didn't work. > > Julie Beste-Walz > Licensing Analyst > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Conditional Text Question FrameMaker 12
Hello, I was wondering if anyone has a solution for the following scenario. I have 3 different conditional text tags in one of my files. One of these conditional text tags was created and applied inadvertently and should really be applied as one of the other 2 conditional text tags. For Example this file contains Conditional Text A, Conditional Text B, and Conditional Text C. The information tagged as Conditional Text C should really be applied and only tagged as Conditional Text B so that I can delete the Conditional Text tag, Conditional Text C. Is there an easy way to do this? I tried to Edit the conditional text tag but that didn't work. Julie Beste-Walz Licensing Analyst ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Adobe TCS 2 conditional text question
I am at a loss with regard to conditional text handling in TCS 2. My specific project: FM file with multiple conditions FM files are set with the desired show/hide settings applied from book level down. FM files are LINKED in RH (not imported) RH has mirror condition markers created RH has Apply FrameMaker Conditional Text Build Expression applied RH also has the same build expression defined in WebHelp layout properties. No matter what I try toggling I cannot get Help that has the correct conditions shown and hidden. It generates output as if show all were the case. Anyone using linked FM content in TCS2 (FM 9 and RH 8) and using conditions successfully? How'd you do it? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood Available for contract and full time opportunities. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Adobe TCS 2 conditional text question
I figured it out, finally. Details here: http://techcommdood.com/?p=408 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: I am at a loss with regard to conditional text handling in TCS 2. My specific project: FM file with multiple conditions FM files are set with the desired show/hide settings applied from book level down. FM files are LINKED in RH (not imported) RH has mirror condition markers created RH has Apply FrameMaker Conditional Text Build Expression applied RH also has the same build expression defined in WebHelp layout properties. No matter what I try toggling I cannot get Help that has the correct conditions shown and hidden. It generates output as if show all were the case. Anyone using linked FM content in TCS2 (FM 9 and RH 8) and using conditions successfully? How'd you do it? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood Available for contract and full time opportunities. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood Available for contract and full time opportunities. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Adobe TCS 2 conditional text question
I am at a loss with regard to conditional text handling in TCS 2. My specific project: FM file with multiple conditions FM files are set with the desired show/hide settings applied from book level down. FM files are LINKED in RH (not imported) RH has mirror condition markers created RH has "Apply FrameMaker Conditional Text Build Expression" applied RH also has the same build expression defined in WebHelp layout properties. No matter what I try toggling I cannot get Help that has the correct conditions shown and hidden. It generates output as if "show all" were the case. Anyone using linked FM content in TCS2 (FM 9 and RH 8) and using conditions successfully? How'd you do it? -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood Available for contract and full time opportunities.
Adobe TCS 2 conditional text question
I figured it out, finally. Details here: http://techcommdood.com/?p=408 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: > I am at a loss with regard to conditional text handling in TCS 2. My > specific project: > > FM file with multiple conditions > FM files are set with the desired show/hide settings applied from book > level down. > FM files are LINKED in RH (not imported) > RH has mirror condition markers created > RH has "Apply FrameMaker Conditional Text Build Expression" applied > RH also has the same build expression defined in WebHelp layout properties. > > No matter what I try toggling I cannot get Help that has the correct > conditions shown and hidden. It generates output as if "show all" were > the case. > > Anyone using linked FM content in TCS2 (FM 9 and RH 8) and using > conditions successfully? How'd you do it? > > -- > Bill Swallow > > Twitter: @techcommdood > Blog: http://techcommdood.com > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood > > Available for contract and full time opportunities. > -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog: http://techcommdood.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/techcommdood Available for contract and full time opportunities.
Conditional Text question
FM9 with all the bright and shiny patches Windows XP Pro I have documents that use conditional text. I have several two-column tables that have some rows that need to be conditional. What's the best way to conditionalize the row and turn it off or on for each product. I conditionalized the rows, and the resulting PDF has a fat black box around each conditionalized row. There must be a better approach... TIA Corinne Kenney OpenTV Golden CO ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Conditional Text question
Hi Corinne, Are the condition indicators hidden? (Special Conditional Text Show Condition Indicator unchecked). Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:32 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Conditional Text question FM9 with all the bright and shiny patches Windows XP Pro I have documents that use conditional text. I have several two-column tables that have some rows that need to be conditional. What's the best way to conditionalize the row and turn it off or on for each product. I conditionalized the rows, and the resulting PDF has a fat black box around each conditionalized row. There must be a better approach... TIA Corinne Kenney OpenTV Golden CO ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text question
FM9 with all the bright and shiny patches Windows XP Pro I have documents that use conditional text. I have several two-column tables that have some rows that need to be conditional. What's the best way to conditionalize the row and turn it off or on for each product. I conditionalized the rows, and the resulting PDF has a fat black box around each conditionalized row. There must be a better approach... TIA Corinne Kenney OpenTV Golden CO
Conditional Text question
Hi Corinne, Are the condition indicators hidden? (Special > Conditional Text > Show Condition Indicator unchecked). Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 rick at frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Corinne Kenney Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:32 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Conditional Text question FM9 with all the bright and shiny patches Windows XP Pro I have documents that use conditional text. I have several two-column tables that have some rows that need to be conditional. What's the best way to conditionalize the row and turn it off or on for each product. I conditionalized the rows, and the resulting PDF has a fat black box around each conditionalized row. There must be a better approach... TIA Corinne Kenney OpenTV Golden CO
RE: Conditional Text Question
Fred and Others, Sorry it's taken me some time to get back to the list and those that offered assistance, but I was sidetracked by another project. Thanks to everyone for the great ideas and offers of help! At this point, I think that Fred's idea is the best one. It resolves the issues I had privately about having the conditional text for the other product in the same file as what I wanted to have, albeit hidden, and it also eliminates the major problem I had with the conditional text markers. This way, if anyone else looks at the files later on, they (hopefully) won't be confused with the (in some cases) double text if they make things unconditional. It makes things nice and clean! Thanks again to a great set of people! The techwr-l and framer's lists are great resources with wonderful people subscribed and willing to help out! I'll continue to read and (mostly) lurk, offering suggestions or comments as warranted. Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:19 PM To: Sam Beard; Frame User's Group Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question The Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog has an option box labeled Sow Condition Indicators just below the Show list box. This option toggles the color and other (e.g. underlining or strikethrough) highlighting of all conditions that are set to show. As far as archiving product-specific source files, another approach that has not been mentioned is this one: -Make a duplicate set of the complete, conditionalized book and source files. -In the duplicate file set, use the Edit Condition Tag command in the Conditional Text dialog to delete each of the condition tags that relate to the other versions of the product. Each time you invoke the command for a condition that is actually in use in the file, you'll get a dialog that asks you whether you wish to make the tagged text unconditional or delete the text. Since the tags you are deleting relate to other product versions, choose the delete option. -If you want to get serious, repeat the preceding step for the conditions that are specific to the current version of the product, but choose the make unconditional option. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM To: Frame User's Group Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question All, Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as well. I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So, thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine how to hide the indicators. Thanks again and have a great day! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Frame User's Group Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border
Conditional Text Question
Hi Sam, I have a similar situation, where I have three similar books. What I do is have 3 separate books. Some of the chapters are shared between the books (and use conditional text), and some of them are unique to each book. I'm not sure I follow what your system, bit this is what I would do: -Have 2 separate books, each one having one or more unique chapters, such as the chapter with the document number. (I wouldn't want to use a variable or conditional text for the document number. Since it's an important number I would want it to be static for each book.) - Place the similar chapters in a folder on the network called "shared FM chapters." Add those files to each of the two books. In each of those shared chapters, use conditional text to mark the unique parts of the chapter. That's it. Sounds simpler than your system. You could use conditional text for the footer also, but I use a variable for that. I have a separate file with only one custom variable, "Footer." When I'm working on Book A, I open my Footer file, redefine the Footer variable, and then import only the variables from that file to the book I'm working on. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Sam Beard wrote: > Shmuel, > >Thanks for the response and sorry it's taken me a while to get back > to you. I got sidetracked with some other issues. >The document number is only on one page in the front section of the > manual and is how we track projects and their updates. The number is an > eight digit number with the first four digits a one-up number assigned > to each document as it comes along. The latter four digits are the > month-year of when the latest version is released. So, a new document > might have a number like 23450707, indicating it's released in July of > 2007 and the one-up part is 2345. If a revision is made to the document > in August, the number becomes 23450807. >There are several files for each book with a front section (fairly > static with the exception of the document title, document number, and > perhaps a short bit other text, depending on the document), a TOC, and > then the various chapters. For the documents that are quick-start guides > or other short documents, there is only the text related to the document > itself. However, the questions I have don't concern these documents, > only the multi-file books. >I've seen the answers from you and others about removing the > conditional text markers and will do that with the books. I really > appreciate the support, as that's mostly what I was looking for when I > posted my question. However, if there is a better way to do this than > the way I am, that would also be appreciated. >A quick refresher: two products very similar to each other (with at > least one other sometime in the near future, probably); a lot of common > text between them; currently, a master document set with a book > containing several files marked with conditional text; and two other > book files saved to separate folders named for the first four numbers in > the document numbering system, with the appropriate conditional text > hidden for each book. Since I have to store two versions of the manual > under each folder, I thought the best way to do it was to hide the > conditional text for one, save the document under the name/folder for > the other, and do the same for the second one. >I hope that I've made it pretty clear, but please ask if there's > something that isn't. Thanks much for the assistance! The techwr-l and > framer's lists are great resources with great people on them! > > Samuel I. Beard, Jr. > Technical Writer > OI Analytical > 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 > sbeard at oico.com > > -Original Message- > From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:sbw at actcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:23 PM > To: Sam Beard > Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question > > I don't see why the document number should prevent you from using a > single file. There are solutions for that too. But first tell me whether > > the document number is on every page of the manual, or just on one page? > > Are you using several files contained in a book? > > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > > > > Sam Beard wrote: > >> All, >> >>Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few >> things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, >> > which > >> is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as >> > to > >> having three separate files (my second point), because of our >> documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up >> system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an >> eight-digit number. If t
Conditional Text Question
Fred and Others, Sorry it's taken me some time to get back to the list and those that offered assistance, but I was sidetracked by another project. Thanks to everyone for the great ideas and offers of help! At this point, I think that Fred's idea is the best one. It resolves the issues I had privately about having the conditional text for the other product in the same file as what I wanted to have, albeit hidden, and it also eliminates the major problem I had with the conditional text markers. This way, if anyone else looks at the files later on, they (hopefully) won't be confused with the (in some cases) double text if they make things unconditional. It makes things nice and clean! Thanks again to a great set of people! The techwr-l and framer's lists are great resources with wonderful people subscribed and willing to help out! I'll continue to read and (mostly) lurk, offering suggestions or comments as warranted. Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:19 PM To: Sam Beard; Frame User's Group Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question The Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog has an option box labeled "Sow Condition Indicators" just below the "Show" list box. This option toggles the color and other (e.g. underlining or strikethrough) highlighting of all conditions that are set to show. As far as archiving product-specific source files, another approach that has not been mentioned is this one: -Make a duplicate set of the complete, conditionalized book and source files. -In the duplicate file set, use the Edit Condition Tag command in the Conditional Text dialog to delete each of the condition tags that relate to the other versions of the product. Each time you invoke the command for a condition that is actually in use in the file, you'll get a dialog that asks you whether you wish to make the tagged text unconditional or delete the text. Since the tags you are deleting relate to other product versions, choose the delete option. -If you want to get serious, repeat the preceding step for the conditions that are specific to the current version of the product, but choose the "make unconditional" option. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM To: Frame User's Group Cc: richard.combs at polycom.com; elebelle at gmail.com Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question All, Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as well. I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So, thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine how to hide the indicators. Thanks again and have a great day! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:mle...@marzak.org] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Frame User's Group Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off
RE: Conditional Text Question
Hi Sam, When you apply a condition to a table row, the cells in this row get a thick coloured border. That's intended behaviour. When you hide the condition indicators, this border disappears. Is this what you want to achieve? Apart from that you can also delete a condition and also the text and table rows, the condition was applied to. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40ty coint.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. Hello Samuel, I get the digest, so perhaps someone else has already answered this. There's no need to maintain 3 versions of the chapters. 1. Create your book A, add the chapters, and cover material. I keep a different cover for each version and my cover has the conditional text settings and variables I want for it's version. 2. Make sure you turn off the conditional text indicators, so the text and tables appear normal (no colored lines around the table cells or colored text). 3. Import the conditional text settings and variables to the chapters in the book. Check to make sure everything is ok. 4. Now, create the TOC and IX and finish the book. For Book B - you'll have the other conditional settings and variables in the cover, so when you create book B, with the same chapters, just remember that you have to import the settings from cover B. Ellen Lebelle Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Sam, It sounds like you're using unstructured FM? We are, and we considered going to Structured FM, but the learning curve and conversion time just wouldn't fit into our very tight (RD) timelines. (I still fantasize about it, though! LOL) We have the same setup here with our product life cycle control system. We have to provide the source files for each document for each product, even though they're single-sourced. It has taken a couple of years of trial and error and gleaning new ideas and tools from contributors to this list for us to piece together a process that works well for us, and it's not a single answer. I'm sure you'll figure out the right solution for your environment. We have found that due to the quirks of how FM handles headings and conditional text in text insets, it is only easily manageable for us to use text insets in body paragraph chunks that do not contain condition tags or variables. In this case, the text inset itself is literally the smallest discrete chunki.e., a single procedure that is reused multiple times in one or more books, a product overview paragraph, some standard warning text, a common note, etc. If the text inset doesn't apply to all outputs, we conditionalize the insertion marker itself for the text inset so that the whole inset shows only in the tagged output. We do use some shared files that are heavily condition tagged and included in several book files for output purposes. In a boilerplate folder, we have the boilerplate stuff from the copyright notice, the Preface, and the universal glossary set up as separate FM files in a common files directory on the network. Each of these files is tagged to show only what is appropriate for each output that uses them. The benefit of having a universal glossary this way is that all writers can contribute to it; it's all synchronized after a single edit; and everyone can link into it via cross-reference or hypertext links without losing anything when they update the book. Likewise, updates to release statements, copyright dates, trademark notices, etc., are all handled in a single change that ripples through the entire library. We have variables in the headers and footers of all master pages of all FM files (template-based) wherever the doc number, doc title, issue date, etc., are needed. This facilitates quick customization. We use conditioned anchored frames on the cover as well as the variables to customize what shows for each product line. We have a folder for common product files where we keep things like the appendices of part numbers, ordering information, etc. All of these files are heavily condition taggeddown to the word or table row or cell text level. For each output, there is an individual book file with coordinating [outputName]settings.fm file. The setting file contains only the 5 user variables required for changing the doc title, doc number, issue date, release number, etc., as well as the condition tag settings required for publishing that particular output. The book file contains all the files required for the output: * Cover * boilerplate front matter * TOC * LOT * LOF * Chapter files (som shared, esp. between install, maintenance, and troubleshooting docs) * Appendices (often shared) * boilerplate backmatter * IX At publication time, we open the book to be published and its settings.fm file; update the variable definitions as needed in the settings file; and then use Rick Quatro's ImportFormatsSpecial plugin to apply just the condition tags, PDF settings, and user variables to the book's files, before generating the appropriate PDF or online output. (NOTE: If you have ePub, you can use stationery to set this up for you automagically as part of the sequence of output creation.) As soon as the output is generated, we use Bruce Foster's Archive plugin to create a discreet, reproducible project folder that we archive as a zip file in our CMS. (There are ways to use this same plugin in conjuction with ClearCase or other CMS for individual file check-in/check-outfrequently discussed on this listbut we've chosen to keep the source encrypted as part of doc security and check in/out as a single file for streamlining purposes. And, there are several other plugins and FrameScripts that we have bought and use frequently, but these two are the ones that are part of our final production process.) For product-level content management, there is a single book file for each product that incorporates all the chapter files, text insets, and shared product-level files, so when we need to run spellcheck or apply new template updates, we can do so efficiently and effectively. This said, it is for us an efficient model, but it's a level of complexity that writers new to our shop find challenging to get into the swing of things. Those of us who have been here as it has evolved are like the
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Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border). If that doesn't make sense, let me know. Miriam - Original Message - From: Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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All, Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as well. I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So, thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine how to hide the indicators. Thanks again and have a great day! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Frame User's Group Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border). If that doesn't make sense, let me know. Miriam - Original Message - From: Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 09:17 -0500 10/7/07, Sam Beard wrote: However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Does your DCS support aliases? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I don't understand why you have three files for each book. Why can't you have one file for both books and mark the text which should only appear in Version 1 as "Version1" and mark the text which should only appear in Version 2 as "Version2." The rest of the text should not be marked as conditionalized. You can mark an entire table or a table row. You can select which conditional text to view (which also affects printing), and whether to show the conditional indicators (the color or style you used for the conditional text). Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Sam Beard wrote: > Hello All, > > > >I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two > different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, > there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a > LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them > into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, > hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the > two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the > book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I > also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is > hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently > remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while > maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to > remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. > Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that > are marked as conditional. > > > >I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. > > > >Thanks much in advance! > > > > Samuel I. Beard, Jr. > > Technical Writer > > OI Analytical > > 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 > > sbeard at oico.com > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbw at actcom.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
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Hi Sam, When you apply a condition to a table row, the cells in this row get a thick coloured border. That's intended behaviour. When you hide the condition indicators, this border disappears. Is this what you want to achieve? Apart from that you can also delete a condition and also the text and table rows, the condition was applied to. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > ]On Behalf > Of Sam Beard > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:40 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Conditional Text Question > > > Hello All, > > > >I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate > between two > different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, > there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a > LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them > into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, > hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the > two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the > book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I > also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version > 1's text is > hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently > remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while > maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do > this is to > remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. > Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that > are marked as conditional. > > > >I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. > > > >Thanks much in advance! > > > > Samuel I. Beard, Jr. > > Technical Writer > > OI Analytical > > 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 > > sbeard at oico.com > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as wreng at tycoint.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40ty coint.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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<< I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. Hello Samuel, I get the digest, so perhaps someone else has already answered this. There's no need to maintain 3 versions of the chapters. 1. Create your book "A", add the chapters, and cover material. I keep a different cover for each version and my cover has the conditional text settings and variables I want for it's version. 2. Make sure you "turn off" the conditional text indicators, so the text and tables appear "normal" (no colored lines around the table cells or colored text). 3. Import the conditional text settings and variables to the chapters in the book. Check to make sure everything is ok. 4. Now, create the TOC and IX and finish the book. For Book B - you'll have the other conditional settings and variables in the cover, so when you create book B, with the same chapters, just remember that you have to import the settings from cover "B". Ellen Lebelle Technical Writer elebelle at gmail.com
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<< If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. OK, Sam. How about using smaller text insets that you import into your chapters. So your chapter is a shell - not quite empty - you can have most of your generic text there, but when you get to a topic that is product A, you import the text inset for product A and make it "conditional" and do the same for product B. When you import your conditional settings from the book cover, only the relevant text insets will appear. Use Bruce Foster's Archiver to make an archive of the A book and label it with the date and number. Do the same for Book B and these archives remain archives, and your source files can be updated without fouling up the archived books. Another solution is to use Structured FM and use Russ Ward's, Inset Plus (which allows you to inset text insets, update them and save the updates to them with no fuss) and ABCM (which allows you to use attributes and assign them colors - like conditional text - but better!). When you filter a book with the attributes you want, it creates new files that you can save for your archives. Your source files still contain everything. And you only need to update your source files. Ellen
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Sam Beard wrote: >Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to > clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of > using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this > job. However, I have no real choice as to having three > separate files (my second point), because of our > documentation control system. We number our documents with a > one-up system, including the month/year as the last four > parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a > new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting > them into a single number. > However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. > The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. > Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for > each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional > text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. > Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then > that's the way it is here. Hmm. Is your doc control system intended to control the _source_ files or the _output_ files? If it's the former, you're already "cheating" by having an unnumbered "master" from which you create the 1950 and 2158 versions. In this case, the system isn't accomplishing its purpose and needs to be re-evaluated. Pretending that the two derivative versions are really the source isn't the right solution. If the doc control and numbering is for the output/deliverable, not for the source, then a single set of source files containing both doc numbers (conditionalized appropriately) is the way to go. As for the condition indicators: For the current file, open the Conditional Text dialog, and click Show/Hide to display the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog. There, clear the Show Condition Indicators check box to hide the color and formatting of conditions. Alternatively, you can do this quickly at the book level: In the book window, select all files. Then select View > Hide Conditional Text Indicators (or View > Show/Hide Conditional Text if you need to choose conditions to hide as well as hiding the condition indicators). HTH! Richard
Conditional Text Question
All, Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as well. I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So, thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine how to hide the indicators. Thanks again and have a great day! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:mle...@marzak.org] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Frame User's Group Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border). If that doesn't make sense, let me know. Miriam - Original Message - From: "Sam Beard" <sbe...@oico.com> To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mlezak at marzak.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info
Conditional Text Question
The Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog has an option box labeled "Sow Condition Indicators" just below the "Show" list box. This option toggles the color and other (e.g. underlining or strikethrough) highlighting of all conditions that are set to show. As far as archiving product-specific source files, another approach that has not been mentioned is this one: -Make a duplicate set of the complete, conditionalized book and source files. -In the duplicate file set, use the Edit Condition Tag command in the Conditional Text dialog to delete each of the condition tags that relate to the other versions of the product. Each time you invoke the command for a condition that is actually in use in the file, you'll get a dialog that asks you whether you wish to make the tagged text unconditional or delete the text. Since the tags you are deleting relate to other product versions, choose the delete option. -If you want to get serious, repeat the preceding step for the conditions that are specific to the current version of the product, but choose the "make unconditional" option. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Staff Information Services Analyst Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:17 AM To: Frame User's Group Cc: richard.combs at polycom.com; elebelle at gmail.com Subject: RE: Conditional Text Question All, Thanks much for the help on this issue, but I need to clarify a few things. First, I'm aware of the purpose of using conditional text, which is what helped me to get this job. However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Before I started here, the documents were COMPLETELY maintained as two separate books, even though there was a LOT of cross-over text between them. Obviously, this made updating them much more of a challenge and they are actually out of step with each other by one version. I'm not sure that's something that will change, either. I'll probably have to use a variable or something else to indicate the version numbers of the two and conditionalize that, as well. I believe everyone that responded mentioned hiding the conditional text indicators, so I'll need to check into how to change that. I wasn't aware of how to change that, which is why I posted my question. So, thanks to all of you for the tips on that. I'll see if I can determine how to hide the indicators. Thanks again and have a great day! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: Miriam Lezak [mailto:mle...@marzak.org] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:01 PM To: Sam Beard Cc: Frame User's Group Subject: Re: Conditional Text Question Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border). If that doesn't make sense, let me know. Miriam - Original Message - From: "Sam Beard" <sbe...@oico.com> To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is
Conditional Text Question
At 09:17 -0500 10/7/07, Sam Beard wrote: >However, I have no real choice as to having three separate files (my second >point), because of our documentation control system. We number our documents >with a one-up system, including the month/year as the last four parts of an >eight-digit number. If these documents were for a new product line, we MIGHT >be able to get away with putting them into a single number. However, they are >for two separate but similar product lines. The first one is 1950 while the >second one is 2158. Therefore, I have to maintain having three separate books >for each document, hiding and viewing the appropriate conditional text and >saving it to the appropriate folder on our system. Unless someone has an idea >about how to get around that, then that's the way it is here. Does your DCS support aliases? -- Steve
Conditional Text Question
Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text Question
Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com
Conditional Text Question
Sam: If you conditionalize the whole row, that row should disappear when you turn the condition off. The colored borders indicate that you've correctly conditionalized it (rather than just conditionalizing the text within the border). If that doesn't make sense, let me know. Miriam - Original Message - From: "Sam Beard" <sbe...@oico.com> To: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 12:39 PM Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I have a document that uses conditional text to delineate between two different versions of the same basic product. Before I started this, there were two separate books for each manual, even though there is a LOT of cross-over text between them that is the same. I combined them into a single set of master files and am marking the conditional text, hiding what I don't want to see, and saving the resulting file for the two separate books. Now, I have three files for each chapter of the book: Master, Version 1, and Version 2. All well and good. However, I also have ALL of the text in all three files, albeit Version 1's text is hidden in Version 2, and vice-versa. Is there a way to permanently remove the text for Version 1 from Version 2, and vice-versa, while maintaining the master file? One of the reasons I need to do this is to remove the borders around cells in a table that are conditionalized. Currently, there are large colored borders around any table cells that are marked as conditional. I'm on Windows XP with Frame 7.2b144. Thanks much in advance! Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mlezak at marzak.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info
RE: Conditional Text Question - Resolved
All, Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here, only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info from both lists. You guys are great and a great help! Thanks again, Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP. I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? Thanks much in advance, Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbeard%40oico.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Conditional Text Question
Hello All, I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP. I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? Thanks much in advance, Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com
Conditional Text Question - Resolved
All, Thanks VERY much to Tammy Van Boening, Gillian Flato, and William Abernathy who helped me to resolve this problem! I mostly lurk here, only chiming in when I feel I have something useful to add. But, it's people like these three, as well as many others on both this list and Techwr-l that help me out quite a bit. I've gotten some VERY useful info from both lists. You guys are great and a great help! Thanks again, Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+sbeard=oico@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+sbeard=oico.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sam Beard Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 2:09 PM To: Frame Users Subject: Conditional Text Question Hello All, I'm using Frame 7.2b144 on Windows XP. I have a question concerning conditional text. I'm cross-referencing a chapter that uses conditional text in it, as such: 2240AB, where there are two models of the equipment, 2240A and 2240B. I've marked the A and B as conditional text because I'm generating two product manuals from one master book. However, in a cross-reference, both the A and B are showing up instead of showing only the appropriate one for the product manual. Does the conditional text not carry-over in cross-references? Thanks much in advance, Samuel I. Beard, Jr. Technical Writer OI Analytical 979 690-1711 Ext. 222 sbeard at oico.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sbeard at oico.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbeard%40oico.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example).I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called AandB, etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
Apparently I made a mistake in my original post. When I tried a second time to mark text as both A and B, and then show only A, the text did not disappear. So this solves the problem. Text that appears in both A and B manuals, I can mark as both A and B, then when I print Manual A I can select to show only A text. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 Original Message I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example). I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called AandB, etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. You didn't conditionalize it correctly then, because if text is set to A and B and you only show A, the text will show up. Turn on paragraph tags and make sure the para tag reflects the proper condition. -Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:21 AM To: Framers Subject: FrameMaker Conditional Text Question I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example).I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called AandB, etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example).I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called "AandB," etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133
FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
Apparently I made a mistake in my original post. When I tried a second time to mark text as both A and B, and then show only A, the text did not disappear. So this solves the problem. Text that appears in both A and B manuals, I can mark as both A and B, then when I print Manual A I can select to show only A text. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 Original Message I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example). I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called "AandB," etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133
FrameMaker Conditional Text Question
>>When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. You didn't conditionalize it correctly then, because if text is set to A and B and you only show A, the text will show up. Turn on paragraph tags and make sure the para tag reflects the proper condition. -Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 2:21 AM To: Framers Subject: FrameMaker Conditional Text Question I have three manuals that are mostly identical, Manual A, Manual B and Manual C (for example).I have 3 conditional text tags named A,B and C. When I print, I will need to able to show only A, B, or C, to get the features for that book. The problem is that some features apply to both A and B, some only to A, some to B and C. How do set up the conditional text to handle this? When I marked text as A and as B, and then I showed only A, the text disappeared. This is not the desired result. So it seems like I will have to create additional cond text tags called "AandB," etc. Is this correct? Is there an easier way to do this? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson 052-763-7133 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
