Character format enhancement, Was: Find / Replace special

[hedley.fin...@myob.com]

> In addition to As Is and setting a hard value, I'd like to be able to 
> set a relative value, such as a character format that applies a 
> specific font and makes it 1 point smaller than the paragraph font.

When mixing fonts it is considered good form by typographers to make their 
x-heights equal.
May I second Pat's suggestion of increasing/decreasing point size relative 
to the host paras 
font size but also suggest:

@   automatically setting x-heights of the embedded char format equal 
to the host para format 
@   increasing/decreasing char format size by a fixed percentage 
relative to the host size

Regards,
Hedley

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Re: Character format enhancement, Was: Find / Replace special

[hedley . finger]

> In addition to As Is and setting a hard value, I'd like to be able to 
> set a relative value, such as a character format that applies a 
> specific font and makes it 1 point smaller than the paragraph font.

When mixing fonts it is considered good form by typographers to make their 
x-heights equal.
May I second Pat's suggestion of increasing/decreasing point size relative 
to the host paras 
font size but also suggest:

@   automatically setting x-heights of the embedded char format equal 
to the host para format 
@   increasing/decreasing char format size by a fixed percentage 
relative to the host size

Regards,
Hedley

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Character format enhancement, Was: Find / Replace special

[Pat Christenson]

Here's another character format enhance I'd find very useful. In  
addition to As Is and setting a hard value, I'd like to be able to  
set a relative value, such as a character format that applies a  
specific font and makes it 1 point smaller than the paragraph font.


I remember Interleaf had this (years ago) and when mixing body and  
code fonts, it was very useful.


Pat Christenson

On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:


mathieu jacquet wrote:





I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format  
setting. In

that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
Head3 instead of being carried over from the source.



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Character format enhancement, Was: Find / Replace special

[Pat Christenson]

Here's another character format enhance I'd find very useful. In  
addition to As Is and setting a hard value, I'd like to be able to  
set a relative value, such as a character format that applies a  
specific font and makes it 1 point smaller than the paragraph font.

I remember Interleaf had this (years ago) and when mixing body and  
code fonts, it was very useful.

Pat Christenson

On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Combs, Richard wrote:

> mathieu jacquet wrote:
>
>>
>
> I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
> I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
> setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format  
> setting. In
> that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
> paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
> Head3 instead of being carried over from the source.
>

Find / Replace special

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:06 + 28/2/07, mathieu jacquet wrote:

>So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and change it to Default 
>font + "XYZ" character format?...

First, create the character style you need.

Second, set up FrameMaker's standard Find/Replace to search for the character 
format to which you want to apply the tag.

Next, apply the tag to the first instance manually, then use Copy Special to 
copy the character format

Finally, set Find/Replace Change field to 'By pasting' and run through all your 
character instances, pasting the new character tag.

-- 
Steve

Find / Replace special

[Peter Gold]

Thanks for the detail, Richard. Like you, I wish things were as we want, 
not as they are. That's why I'm wondering if Mathieu's problem could be 
solved a different way, namely with a user-defined variable.

For example, if XYZ were always bold-by-override, perhaps a variable 
something like XYZ pasted 
from the clipboard - by Replace By Pasting - could work.

Again, I'm not able to test this right now, but maybe there's a chance?

If it is successful, and variables aren't desired for the final state of 
the document, they can be replaced by text, which would requite one more 
test to see that this works as required.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Combs, Richard wrote:
> Peter Gold wrote:
>  
>   
>> Richard's point is excellent!
>> 
>
> Thank you.
>  
>   
>> I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a 
>> named character format for the purpose, whose properties are 
>> only those you want to apply. In this example, you'd define 
>> the "NewBold" format by clicking outside any text, or 
>> choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in the character 
>> designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I haven't 
>> tested this, but I think that pasting a named character 
>> format that's copied to the clipboard applies only the 
>> properties of the named format, not every property of the 
>> text. A quick test should clarify the behavior.
>> 
>
> Unfortunately, no. You can only copy to the clipboard an _instance_ of
> the format, not the format as an abstraction. 
>
> FM interprets "As Is" quite literally. As soon as you instantiate the
> char format by applying it to a text string, the attributes defined as
> "As Is" are set to the existing values for that string. So, your Bold +
> As Is char format becomes Bold + Palatino, 10 pt, Angle Regular,
> Variation Regular, Color Black, etc. If you have FrameScript, you can
> verify this by retrieving the property list of a string with a char
> format applied. 
>
> I wish it weren't so. I'd like all the undefined char properties to
> contain pointers to the corresponding pgf properties (or to be
> null/empty, and interpreted as pointers to the pgf properties). 
>
> Richard 
>   

Find / Replace special

[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I imported a Word document into FM and here is my problem: I am asked by my 
client to apply the Character format "XYZ" to any occurence appearing in 
bold format (not a Character format).

1. With FM's standard Find/Replace, I can find a word with the bold 
attribute but cannot apply any character format to it right?

2. With Frameexpert's plugin FindChangeSpecial 2.0 (which I bought thinking 
it would solve my problem) I can find a word with the character format "ABC" 
and change it to "XYZ" right?

So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and change it to 
Default font + "XYZ" character format?...

Any help much appreciated !!

Mathieu


>From: "Art Campbell" 
>To: "Charles Beck" 
>CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Background with JPEG
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:48:58 -0500
>
>Charles,
>
>You may want to mention this to the independent JPG group at
>www.jpg.org people... they don't think their format supports
>transparency. See question 12 in the
>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/
>
>JPG2000 does, however.
>
>Art
>
>On 2/27/07, Charles Beck  wrote:
>>Hi Mathieu,
>>
>>Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support
>>transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any
>>case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a
>>"lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces
>>accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations.
>>
>>If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF
>>would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking
>>Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it
>>is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older
>>browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format.
>>
>>In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working
>>with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected
>>(usually background) color.
>>
>>If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me
>>offline if you want.
>>
>>HTH,
>>Chuck Beck
>>Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 |
>>Charles.Beck at infor.com
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>Subject: Background with JPEG
>>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible
>>not to have a white or greyish square background appear ?
>>
>>Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the
>>background disappear ?
>>
>>Thank you all,
>>
>>Mathieu.
>>
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Find / Replace special

[Peter Gold]

Combs, Richard wrote:
> mathieu jacquet wrote:
>  
>   
>> So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and 
>> change it to Default font + "XYZ" character format?...
>> 
>
> The procedure described by Art and Steve will get you most of the way
> there, but be on the lookout for one problem. When you copy the char
> format, FM copies not just the named char tag, but _all_ the formatting,
> including the font, size, etc., that it inherited from the underlying
> pgf. 
>
> For the 90+% or so of the strings that are in Body pgfs, or pgfs that
> share Body's font, size, etc., this is no problem. But it won't work for
> the strings that are in headings, table text (if it uses a different
> font/size), etc. You'll have to manually apply the char tag to those. 
>
> I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
> I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
> setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format setting. In
> that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
> paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
> Head3 instead of being carried over from the source. 
>
>   

Richard's point is excellent!

I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a named 
character format for the purpose, whose properties are only those you 
want to apply. In this example, you'd define the "NewBold" format by 
clicking outside any text, or choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in 
the character designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I 
haven't tested this, but I think that pasting a named character format 
that's copied to the clipboard applies only the properties of the named 
format, not every property of the text. A quick test should clarify the 
behavior.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Find / Replace special

[Combs, Richard]

Peter Gold wrote:

> Richard's point is excellent!

Thank you.

> I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a 
> named character format for the purpose, whose properties are 
> only those you want to apply. In this example, you'd define 
> the "NewBold" format by clicking outside any text, or 
> choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in the character 
> designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I haven't 
> tested this, but I think that pasting a named character 
> format that's copied to the clipboard applies only the 
> properties of the named format, not every property of the 
> text. A quick test should clarify the behavior.

Unfortunately, no. You can only copy to the clipboard an _instance_ of
the format, not the format as an abstraction. 

FM interprets "As Is" quite literally. As soon as you instantiate the
char format by applying it to a text string, the attributes defined as
"As Is" are set to the existing values for that string. So, your Bold +
As Is char format becomes Bold + Palatino, 10 pt, Angle Regular,
Variation Regular, Color Black, etc. If you have FrameScript, you can
verify this by retrieving the property list of a string with a char
format applied. 

I wish it weren't so. I'd like all the undefined char properties to
contain pointers to the corresponding pgf properties (or to be
null/empty, and interpreted as pointers to the pgf properties). 

Richard 


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Re: Find / Replace special

[Peter Gold]

Thanks for the detail, Richard. Like you, I wish things were as we want, 
not as they are. That's why I'm wondering if Mathieu's problem could be 
solved a different way, namely with a user-defined variable.


For example, if XYZ were always bold-by-override, perhaps a variable 
something like XYZ pasted 
from the clipboard - by Replace By Pasting - could work.


Again, I'm not able to test this right now, but maybe there's a chance?

If it is successful, and variables aren't desired for the final state of 
the document, they can be replaced by text, which would requite one more 
test to see that this works as required.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Combs, Richard wrote:

Peter Gold wrote:
 
  

Richard's point is excellent!



Thank you.
 
  
I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a 
named character format for the purpose, whose properties are 
only those you want to apply. In this example, you'd define 
the "NewBold" format by clicking outside any text, or 
choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in the character 
designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I haven't 
tested this, but I think that pasting a named character 
format that's copied to the clipboard applies only the 
properties of the named format, not every property of the 
text. A quick test should clarify the behavior.



Unfortunately, no. You can only copy to the clipboard an _instance_ of
the format, not the format as an abstraction. 


FM interprets "As Is" quite literally. As soon as you instantiate the
char format by applying it to a text string, the attributes defined as
"As Is" are set to the existing values for that string. So, your Bold +
As Is char format becomes Bold + Palatino, 10 pt, Angle Regular,
Variation Regular, Color Black, etc. If you have FrameScript, you can
verify this by retrieving the property list of a string with a char
format applied. 


I wish it weren't so. I'd like all the undefined char properties to
contain pointers to the corresponding pgf properties (or to be
null/empty, and interpreted as pointers to the pgf properties). 

Richard 
  


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RE: Find / Replace special

[Combs, Richard]

Peter Gold wrote:
 
> Richard's point is excellent!

Thank you.
 
> I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a 
> named character format for the purpose, whose properties are 
> only those you want to apply. In this example, you'd define 
> the "NewBold" format by clicking outside any text, or 
> choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in the character 
> designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I haven't 
> tested this, but I think that pasting a named character 
> format that's copied to the clipboard applies only the 
> properties of the named format, not every property of the 
> text. A quick test should clarify the behavior.

Unfortunately, no. You can only copy to the clipboard an _instance_ of
the format, not the format as an abstraction. 

FM interprets "As Is" quite literally. As soon as you instantiate the
char format by applying it to a text string, the attributes defined as
"As Is" are set to the existing values for that string. So, your Bold +
As Is char format becomes Bold + Palatino, 10 pt, Angle Regular,
Variation Regular, Color Black, etc. If you have FrameScript, you can
verify this by retrieving the property list of a string with a char
format applied. 

I wish it weren't so. I'd like all the undefined char properties to
contain pointers to the corresponding pgf properties (or to be
null/empty, and interpreted as pointers to the pgf properties). 

Richard 


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[Combs, Richard]

mathieu jacquet wrote:

> So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and 
> change it to Default font + "XYZ" character format?...

The procedure described by Art and Steve will get you most of the way
there, but be on the lookout for one problem. When you copy the char
format, FM copies not just the named char tag, but _all_ the formatting,
including the font, size, etc., that it inherited from the underlying
pgf. 

For the 90+% or so of the strings that are in Body pgfs, or pgfs that
share Body's font, size, etc., this is no problem. But it won't work for
the strings that are in headings, table text (if it uses a different
font/size), etc. You'll have to manually apply the char tag to those. 

I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format setting. In
that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
Head3 instead of being carried over from the source. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Find / Replace special

[Peter Gold]

Combs, Richard wrote:

mathieu jacquet wrote:
 
  
So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and 
change it to Default font + "XYZ" character format?...



The procedure described by Art and Steve will get you most of the way
there, but be on the lookout for one problem. When you copy the char
format, FM copies not just the named char tag, but _all_ the formatting,
including the font, size, etc., that it inherited from the underlying
pgf. 


For the 90+% or so of the strings that are in Body pgfs, or pgfs that
share Body's font, size, etc., this is no problem. But it won't work for
the strings that are in headings, table text (if it uses a different
font/size), etc. You'll have to manually apply the char tag to those. 


I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format setting. In
that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
Head3 instead of being carried over from the source. 

  


Richard's point is excellent!

I believe that one way to avoid this problem is to create a named 
character format for the purpose, whose properties are only those you 
want to apply. In this example, you'd define the "NewBold" format by 
clicking outside any text, or choosing Commands > Set Window To As Is in 
the character designer,  then setting only the Bold attribute.  I 
haven't tested this, but I think that pasting a named character format 
that's copied to the clipboard applies only the properties of the named 
format, not every property of the text. A quick test should clarify the 
behavior.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
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[Combs, Richard]

mathieu jacquet wrote:
 
> So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and 
> change it to Default font + "XYZ" character format?...

The procedure described by Art and Steve will get you most of the way
there, but be on the lookout for one problem. When you copy the char
format, FM copies not just the named char tag, but _all_ the formatting,
including the font, size, etc., that it inherited from the underlying
pgf. 

For the 90+% or so of the strings that are in Body pgfs, or pgfs that
share Body's font, size, etc., this is no problem. But it won't work for
the strings that are in headings, table text (if it uses a different
font/size), etc. You'll have to manually apply the char tag to those. 

I'm hoping against hope that FM8 will have a char format enhancement
I've asked for several years: Instead of (or in addition to) an As Is
setting, the Char Designer should support a From Pgf Format setting. In
that case, if you copy-special the XYZ char format from a Body pgf and
paste it into a Head3, the font, size, etc., would inherit from the
Head3 instead of being carried over from the source. 

HTH!
Richard


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[Art Campbell]

First, you should remove hidden characters from the Word file by
saving in FM as a MIF file, then reopening it, and saving it as the
binary FM format.

1. Then, type one of your strings and apply your XYZ character format.
2. Put your cursor within the character format area. Right click and
select Copy Special > Copy Character Format.
3. Use Find/Replace to locate bold strings and Replace them by
Pasting from the clipboard.

> On 2/28/07, mathieu jacquet  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I imported a Word document into FM and here is my problem: I am asked by my
> client to apply the Character format "XYZ" to any occurence appearing in
> bold format (not a Character format).
>
> 1. With FM's standard Find/Replace, I can find a word with the bold
> attribute but cannot apply any character format to it right?
No.



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Re: Find / Replace special

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:06 + 28/2/07, mathieu jacquet wrote:

>So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and change it to Default 
>font + "XYZ" character format?...

First, create the character style you need.

Second, set up FrameMaker's standard Find/Replace to search for the character 
format to which you want to apply the tag.

Next, apply the tag to the first instance manually, then use Copy Special to 
copy the character format

Finally, set Find/Replace Change field to 'By pasting' and run through all your 
character instances, pasting the new character tag.

-- 
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Re: Find / Replace special

[Art Campbell]

First, you should remove hidden characters from the Word file by
saving in FM as a MIF file, then reopening it, and saving it as the
binary FM format.

1. Then, type one of your strings and apply your XYZ character format.
2. Put your cursor within the character format area. Right click and
select Copy Special > Copy Character Format.
3. Use Find/Replace to locate bold strings and Replace them by
Pasting from the clipboard.


On 2/28/07, mathieu jacquet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all,

I imported a Word document into FM and here is my problem: I am asked by my
client to apply the Character format "XYZ" to any occurence appearing in
bold format (not a Character format).

1. With FM's standard Find/Replace, I can find a word with the bold
attribute but cannot apply any character format to it right?

No.



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[mathieu jacquet]

Hi all,

I imported a Word document into FM and here is my problem: I am asked by my 
client to apply the Character format "XYZ" to any occurence appearing in 
bold format (not a Character format).


1. With FM's standard Find/Replace, I can find a word with the bold 
attribute but cannot apply any character format to it right?


2. With Frameexpert's plugin FindChangeSpecial 2.0 (which I bought thinking 
it would solve my problem) I can find a word with the character format "ABC" 
and change it to "XYZ" right?


So now how do I find a word having the bold attribute and change it to 
Default font + "XYZ" character format?...


Any help much appreciated !!

Mathieu



From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Charles Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Background with JPEG
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:48:58 -0500

Charles,

You may want to mention this to the independent JPG group at
www.jpg.org people... they don't think their format supports
transparency. See question 12 in the
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/jpeg-faq/

JPG2000 does, however.

Art

On 2/27/07, Charles Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Mathieu,

Actually, despite what one other list member said, JPEG does support
transparency if you set it. However, I would not use JPG format in any
case. It supports a high number of colors, but it is considered a
"lossy" format, meaning it does not render solid-colored spaces
accurately; rather, it introduces subtle but noticeable variations.

If you are doing graphics with a very limited number of colors, GIF
would be OK. But, by far, my preference is for PNG (Portable Networking
Graphics) format. It supports the high number of colors like JPG, but it
is not lossy. It also supports transparency, though I believe older
browsers might not render transparency correctly with this format.

In any case, the answer to your problem is to make sure you are working
with a graphics program that supports transparency for a selected
(usually background) color.

If you need more help/information, please feel free to contact me
offline if you want.

HTH,
Chuck Beck
Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 |
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
Subject: Background with JPEG

Hi all,

when you import jpeg images (pictures of spare parts), is it possible
not to have a white or greyish square background appear ?

Do you import in another format or is there a trick to have the
background disappear ?

Thank you all,

Mathieu.

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