Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Thanks, guys!

Sounds like I will investigate it and see how it goes. I am hoping to 
piggy-back on the efforts of the software folks who are looking at it too.

However ... any other recommendations too for what I am trying to do?

Regards,

Z


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: quills at airmail.net
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>> <http://www.collabnet.com> ?for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. ? ? ? Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2. ? ? ? How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3. ? ? ? How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4. ? ? ? Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
>>
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>>  ?for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. ? ? ? Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2. ? ? ? How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3. ? ? ? How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4. ? ? ? Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
>>
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RE: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Syed.Hosain]

Thanks, guys!

Sounds like I will investigate it and see how it goes. I am hoping to 
piggy-back on the efforts of the software folks who are looking at it too.

However ... any other recommendations too for what I am trying to do?

Regards,

Z


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: qui...@airmail.net
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>> <http://www.collabnet.com>  for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.       Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2.       How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3.       How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4.       Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
>>
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Fred Ridder]

I largely agree with Bodvar's comments.



One of the development groups I work with keeps all the FrameMaker files in an 
SVN repository and it has largely been trouble-free. The only problems have 
come when users have failed to check for locks before starting to edit a file 
or have failed to lock a file while they are working on it. Most of us use the 
SyncroSVN client, which does not display locks by default--you have to direct 
the client to check for locks before you start to edit, and not everybody 
remembers to do this every time. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:12:40 +
> Subject: Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?
> From: bodvar at gmail.com
> To: quills at airmail.net
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Scott and Syed
> 
> I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
> enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
> rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
> knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
> most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
> its own comparison tool
> 
> My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
> carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
> work with the SVN.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

RE: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Fred Ridder]

I largely agree with Bodvar's comments.

 

One of the development groups I work with keeps all the FrameMaker files in an 
SVN repository and it has largely been trouble-free. The only problems have 
come when users have failed to check for locks before starting to edit a file 
or have failed to lock a file while they are working on it. Most of us use the 
SyncroSVN client, which does not display locks by default--you have to direct 
the client to check for locks before you start to edit, and not everybody 
remembers to do this every time. 

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:12:40 +
> Subject: Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?
> From: bod...@gmail.com
> To: qui...@airmail.net
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> 
> Scott and Syed
> 
> I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
> enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
> rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
> knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
> most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
> its own comparison tool
> 
> My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
> carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
> work with the SVN.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

  
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Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Scott and Syed

I have been using SVN/TortoiseSVN for some time now, and curiously
enough, it handles binary files well and seems to keep changes to them
rather than add separate issues of changed files. However SVN has no
knowledge of how to interpret the binary text files into text from
most applications, but with FrameMaker, that is no problem as FM has
its own comparison tool

My ten months experience says four thumbs up. Only take time to
carefully organize your file structure before you begin any serious
work with the SVN.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2009/9/27  :
> As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced
> files. Subversion is similar to CVS.
>
> It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.
>
> If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then
> you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.
>
> Scott
>
>
> syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
>> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
>>
>>
>>
>> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
>> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>>   for more info) in our software development
>> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
>> documents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hence my questions:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.       Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
>> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
>>
>> 2.       How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
>> (like .book and .fm files)?
>>
>> 3.       How much did you like or dislike it?
>>
>> 4.       Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
>> this purpose?
>>
>>
>>
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[qui...@airmail.net]

As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced 
files. Subversion is similar to CVS.

It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.

If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then 
you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.

Scott


Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:

> 
> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
> 
>  
> 
> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>   for more info) in our software development
> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
> documents.
> 
>  
> 
> Hence my questions:
> 
>  
> 
> 1.   Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
> 
> 2.   How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
> (like .book and .fm files)?
> 
> 3.   How much did you like or dislike it?
> 
> 4.   Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
> this purpose?
> 
>  
> 

Re: Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[quills]

As long as you use binary files you will not be able to get differenced 
files. Subversion is similar to CVS.

It handles text files very well and will difference them, just like CVS.

If you don't use text files, and all of your FM files are binary, then 
you will maintain a separate copy of each. Thus no space savings.

Scott


syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:

> 
> It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
> and minimizes the number of duplicate files.
> 
>  
> 
> As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
> source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
>   for more info) in our software development
> group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
> documents.
> 
>  
> 
> Hence my questions:
> 
>  
> 
> 1.   Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
> control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?
> 
> 2.   How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
> (like .book and .fm files)?
> 
> 3.   How much did you like or dislike it?
> 
> 4.   Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
> this purpose?
> 
>  
> 
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Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

 (Trying this again since my first two did not going through ... more
than a few days now.)



Hi, all.



I often update specifications and documents (all get a new version
number, etc.). Currently, I maintain these in separate folders for each
version of a given spec. Basically, one folder contains the .book and
all the .fm and image and other files necessary to generate the PDF for
particular version of the document.



But this can easily get out of hand ... one of my documents is at
version 22.7 for example, over the years! There are many duplicate image
and .fm files as a result of this - whatever does not change from
version to version.



It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
and minimizes the number of duplicate files.



As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
  for more info) in our software development
group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
documents.



Hence my questions:



1.   Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?

2.   How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
(like .book and .fm files)?

3.   How much did you like or dislike it?

4.   Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
this purpose?



Z

Has anyone used Subversion for FrameMaker "document control"?

[Syed.Hosain]

 (Trying this again since my first two did not going through ... more
than a few days now.)

 

Hi, all.

 

I often update specifications and documents (all get a new version
number, etc.). Currently, I maintain these in separate folders for each
version of a given spec. Basically, one folder contains the .book and
all the .fm and image and other files necessary to generate the PDF for
particular version of the document.

 

But this can easily get out of hand ... one of my documents is at
version 22.7 for example, over the years! There are many duplicate image
and .fm files as a result of this - whatever does not change from
version to version.

 

It would be good to have a system that maintains the differences for me
and minimizes the number of duplicate files.

 

As it happens, we are considering changing to use Subversion for our
source code control system (see www.collabnet.com
  for more info) in our software development
group ... the earlier RCS stuff did not work well for me for FrameMaker
documents.

 

Hence my questions:

 

1.   Has anyone ever used Subversion for FrameMaker "document
control" (to maintain multiple versions of documents) purposes?

2.   How well does it handle "non-text" FrameMaker binary files
(like .book and .fm files)?

3.   How much did you like or dislike it?

4.   Would you recommend something else (instead of subversion) for
this purpose?

 

Z

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