RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Another one of those new FrameMaker features that people seem to overlook...

 

Craig

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:22 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

 

On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

 

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

 

 

Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, copied to 
the list and to Alistair... 

(credit where due dept.:-)

s.



-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
 
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That's not my experience, Craig.

This isn't the only frame key shortcut that has to be timed.

For example, if I want to apply a style, I press F9

I then need to wait for the list of styles to be displayed. Once it is up, I 
can type the name of the style to select it. If I type too fast - some 
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a 
different style with each letter.

Maybe I need a faster  PC.

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p; 
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you 
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time. It's 
the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire graphic 
showing in an anchored frame.

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

Craig

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>
> To: wr...@tycoint.com<mailto:wr...@tycoint.com>; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
>  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
&

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p;
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time.
It's the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire
graphic showing in an anchored frame. 

 

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

 

Craig

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

 

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems
for some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely
crucial. 

 

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they
only came in with Frame 11.

 

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list,
not directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming
up on the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear. 

 

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list)
reply to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing
on the list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set
up to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that
are posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several
private replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they
proposed workable solutions. 

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct
replies only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email
filtering) so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder

> From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com
> To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
> 
> Winfried, I could kiss you. 
> 
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p;
too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the
insertion point.
> 
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr.
Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> 
> Hi Alastair,
> 
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
> 
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of
your icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point).
Press these keys one after the other.
> 
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the
anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
> 
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting
doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the
frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> &g

Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Another one of those new FrameMaker features that people seem to overlook...



Craig



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:22 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics



On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:



Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.





Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, copied to 
the list and to Alistair... 

(credit where due dept.:-)

s.



-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Inserting inline graphics

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:
>
> Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because 
> they only came in with Frame 11.
>
>
Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, 
copied to the list and to Alistair...

(credit where due dept.:-)

s.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-18 3:38 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:


Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because 
they only came in with Frame 11.



Um, no, I suggested them on Sept. 9 in a message to Matt Sullivan, 
copied to the list and to Alistair...


(credit where due dept.:-)

s.

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That's not my experience, Craig.

This isn't the only frame key shortcut that has to be timed.

For example, if I want to apply a style, I press F9

I then need to wait for the list of styles to be displayed. Once it is up, I 
can type the name of the style to select it. If I type too fast - some 
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a 
different style with each letter.

Maybe I need a faster  PC.

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p; 
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you 
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time. It's 
the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire graphic 
showing in an anchored frame.

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

Craig

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.dent at imgtec.com>
> To: wreng at tycoint.com<mailto:wreng at tycoint.com>; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I d

Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p;
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time.
It's the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire
graphic showing in an anchored frame. 



Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.



Craig



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics



I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.



I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems
for some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely
crucial. 



Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they
only came in with Frame 11.



When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list,
not directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming
up on the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear. 



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics



For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list)
reply to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing
on the list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set
up to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that
are posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several
private replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they
proposed workable solutions. 

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct
replies only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email
filtering) so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder

> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com
> To: wreng at tycoint.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
> 
> Winfried, I could kiss you. 
> 
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p;
too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the
insertion point.
> 
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr.
Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> 
> Hi Alastair,
> 
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
> 
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of
your icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point).
Press these keys one after the other.
> 
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the
anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
> 
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting
doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the
frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> > the end user.
> >
> > -O

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>
> To: wr...@tycoint.com<mailto:wr...@tycoint.com>; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
>  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 
> > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
> >  [mailto:framers-
> > boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:boun...@lists.frameusers.com>] On 
> > Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; 
> > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com> 
> > [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
> > Cc: David Creamer; 
> > framers@lists.fram

Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[Dave Reynolds]

I would agree with Michael. We've used AutoText for years to insert 
anchored frames containing icons/small graphics - both in-line and in 
the margins. It has saved us a lot of time. It seems like the perfect 
solution for Alastair (the original poster).

I have mentioned AutoText to Alastairin a couple of personal emails, but 
I never got a response. Maybe my emails got lost, or filtered out as spam?

Cheers

Dave


O'Laoghaire Micheal wrote, on 18/09/2013 6:13 a.m.:
> We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
> hours and much aggravation.
>
> Micheal O'Laoghaire
> Comverse Inc
> Wakefield, MA
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of steve at siliconprairiesoftware.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
> create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
> anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
> as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
> "pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
> to manually add these each time.
>
> That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
> want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
> document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
> shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
> insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
> menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
> AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.
>
> You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
> use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
> you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
> need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
> other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
> reference content on a Reference page.
>
> A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
> Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
> fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
> You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.
>
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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.dent at imgtec.com>
> To: wreng at tycoint.com<mailto:wreng at tycoint.com>; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> > lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-
> > bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces at lists.frameusers.com>] On 
> > Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
> > lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> 
> > [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
&

Inserting inline graphics

[Fred Ridder]

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions. 

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder

> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com
> To: wreng at tycoint.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
> 
> Winfried, I could kiss you. 
> 
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
> 
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> 
> Hi Alastair,
> 
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
> 
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
> 
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
> 
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> > they're usually all in one directory.
> >
> > Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> > create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> > want them.
> > Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> > bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
> >
> > I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> > a FrameScript macro.
> >
> > To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip 
> > text.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> > buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> > icons from the entire product and convert them would be a 

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Fred Ridder]

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions. 

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder

> From: alastair.d...@imgtec.com
> To: wr...@tycoint.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
> 
> Winfried, I could kiss you. 
> 
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
> 
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> 
> Hi Alastair,
> 
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
> 
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
> 
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
> 
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> > they're usually all in one directory.
> >
> > Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> > create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> > want them.
> > Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> > bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
> >
> > I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> > a FrameScript macro.
> >
> > To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip 
> > text.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> > buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> > icons from the entire product and convert them would be a 

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Testimonial: Works like a charm! (I used it at a job some years back.)
Craig

-Original Message-
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st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in


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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> the end user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> they're usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> a FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Re: Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[Dave Reynolds]

I would agree with Michael. We've used AutoText for years to insert 
anchored frames containing icons/small graphics - both in-line and in 
the margins. It has saved us a lot of time. It seems like the perfect 
solution for Alastair (the original poster).


I have mentioned AutoText to Alastairin a couple of personal emails, but 
I never got a response. Maybe my emails got lost, or filtered out as spam?


Cheers

Dave


O'Laoghaire Micheal wrote, on 18/09/2013 6:13 a.m.:

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc
Wakefield, MA


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:07 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

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Inserting inline graphics

[st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com]

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
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fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

Inserting inline graphics

[Craig Ede]

Testimonial: Works like a charm! (I used it at a job some years back.)
Craig

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Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:07 PM
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Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in

Inserting inline graphics

[steve]

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
You can try it out at no cost to see if it would help you with your issue.

Steve

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RE: Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
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Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
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fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
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Steve

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Inserting Inline Graphics - and AutoText

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

We're  long-time users of the AutoText plugin and it has saved us countless 
hours and much aggravation.

Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc
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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Inserting inline graphics

I'm late to this discussion too. It's this sort of thing that caused me to
create the Auto-Text plug-in. At the time, the template I was using had
anchored frames for hints, warnings, database tasks, multicurrency tasks,
as well as various in-line anchored frames for special characters like the
"pretzel" key for the Macintosh. It drove all of the writers crazy having
to manually add these each time.

That's where Auto-Text comes in. You can define the content exactly as you
want it to appear in your document. Then you copy it into the AutoText.fm
document to define the AutoText entry. Give it a name, and a keyboard
shortcut (optional). Then, when you want to use the item, just place the
insertion point in your document, and choose the item from the AutoText
menu (or use the keyboard shortcut). Auto-Text will copy the item from the
AutoText.fm document, and paste it into your current document.

You have a lot of flexibility when defining the AutoText items. You can
use anchored frames with referenced graphics, using relative paths. When
you insert the Auto-Text entry, the relative paths are preserved. If you
need to change a graphic, you can just swap it out like you would any
other reference Frame graphic. You can even create AutoText entries that
reference content on a Reference page.

A single-user license is only $10. You can download the plug-in at the
Silicon Prairie web site (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com). It's
fully-functional, but will periodically display registration reminders.
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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> the end user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] 
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> they're usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> a FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:
 
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> 
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

I haven't followed this closely, but I think what you want is Robert's workflow 
without the pasting. Although selecting the frame and pasting should work (and 
IIRC it used to), pasting graphics into FM is generally a bad idea. Importing 
(whether by reference or by copying into the document) is much better. 

Assuming you've put all the icon files in a single graphics folder, importing 
is just as fast as copy/paste (maybe faster after the first one). 

1) Where you want to insert an icon, paste the properly sized/set anchored 
frame containing what Robert called the "scratch icon bitmap." 

2) Click the scratch icon to select it (don't select the containing anchored 
frame) and press (in sequence) Escape f i f ("file import file"). 

3) Navigate to your graphics folder, select the icon file you want, and click 
Replace. 

4) In the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog, just click Set; since you're 
replacing an existing graphic, FM assumes you want the same sizing/scaling, and 
you do. 

The next time you do this, FM remembers the graphics folder location, so it 
goes quite quickly from then on. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Inserting inline graphics

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame
to the size of your icon; additonally the anchoring position
is set to At Insertion Point). Press these keys one after
the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to
select the anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap,
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from 
> the
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:

> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> 
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

I haven't followed this closely, but I think what you want is Robert's workflow 
without the pasting. Although selecting the frame and pasting should work (and 
IIRC it used to), pasting graphics into FM is generally a bad idea. Importing 
(whether by reference or by copying into the document) is much better. 

Assuming you've put all the icon files in a single graphics folder, importing 
is just as fast as copy/paste (maybe faster after the first one). 

1) Where you want to insert an icon, paste the properly sized/set anchored 
frame containing what Robert called the "scratch icon bitmap." 

2) Click the scratch icon to select it (don't select the containing anchored 
frame) and press (in sequence) Escape f i f ("file import file"). 

3) Navigate to your graphics folder, select the icon file you want, and click 
Replace. 

4) In the Imported Graphic Scaling dialog, just click Set; since you're 
replacing an existing graphic, FM assumes you want the same sizing/scaling, and 
you do. 

The next time you do this, FM remembers the graphics folder location, so it 
goes quite quickly from then on. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame
to the size of your icon; additonally the anchoring position
is set to At Insertion Point). Press these keys one after
the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to
select the anchored frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre
> of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap,
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from 
> the
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
they're usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as
you want them. Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your
new icon bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote
a FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Huh, pasting over a selected bitmap used to stay in place. Another bad
change to the UI. The align commands might be faster and more precise
than dragging.

As a user I don't find it much work to find a button by its tooltip.
Usually the icon image gives some clue.

Normally I document the most efficient way to execute a command, which
is rarely via the toolbar button.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Alastair Dent
 wrote:
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace 
> it. Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. 
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, 
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
> wrote:
>> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
>> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
>> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
>
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

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Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Huh, pasting over a selected bitmap used to stay in place. Another bad
change to the UI. The align commands might be faster and more precise
than dragging.

As a user I don't find it much work to find a button by its tooltip.
Usually the icon image gives some clue.

Normally I document the most efficient way to execute a command, which
is rarely via the toolbar button.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Alastair Dent
 wrote:
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
> well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace 
> it. Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
> user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] On 
> Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
> usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
> frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. 
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, 
> select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
> FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
> wrote:
>> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
>> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
>> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.
>

Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
they're usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as
you want them. Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your
new icon bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote
a FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Have you actually done that? I tried a few years ago and the theory
did not work in practice.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM, David Creamer
 wrote:
> I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant 
> for print or PDF.
> However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the 
> font in an ePub.
> Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a 
> reasonably up-to-date browser or ePub reader
>
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I don't think you quite understand.

I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons I 
need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the entire 
product and convert them would be a huge job.

What Frame needs is a way of defining frame 'tags'. These could be set up in 
the reference pages of a template, then applied to a frame.

Also, pasting a bitmap into a selected frame should not result in the bitmap 
appearing outside the frame, in the centre of the display. 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than setting 
up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the desired 
button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one font 
per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for the button 
desired. 

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Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Have you actually done that? I tried a few years ago and the theory
did not work in practice.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM, David Creamer
 wrote:
> I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant 
> for print or PDF.
> However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the 
> font in an ePub.
> Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a 
> reasonably up-to-date browser or ePub reader
>

Re: Inserting inline graphics

[David Creamer]

I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant for 
print or PDF.
However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the font 
in an ePub.
Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a reasonably 
up-to-date browser or ePub reader

Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training

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[David Creamer]

I could see where a custom font would be a problem if the job was not meant for 
print or PDF.
However, one could use HTML font-includes for web-based help or embed the font 
in an ePub.
Of course, that brings up other potential problems: such as having a reasonably 
up-to-date browser or ePub reader

Dave Creamer
IDEAS Training

Sent from my iPad

Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I don't think you quite understand.

I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons I 
need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the entire 
product and convert them would be a huge job.

What Frame needs is a way of defining frame 'tags'. These could be set up in 
the reference pages of a template, then applied to a frame.

Also, pasting a bitmap into a selected frame should not result in the bitmap 
appearing outside the frame, in the centre of the display. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than setting 
up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the desired 
button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one font 
per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for the button 
desired. 

David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com


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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Creating a custom dingbat font for the icons could work if you were
delivering PDF.

It would be problematic for help formats that use the client's fonts.
Your authoring tool would have to convert the dingbats to images.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Creamer
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> I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one
> font per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for
> the button desired.
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[Robert Lauriston]

Creating a custom dingbat font for the icons could work if you were
delivering PDF.

It would be problematic for help formats that use the client's fonts.
Your authoring tool would have to convert the dingbats to images.

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:59 PM, David Creamer
 wrote:
> I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one
> font per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for
> the button desired.

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[David Creamer]

> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than
setting up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the
desired button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one
font per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for
the button desired. 

David Creamer
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[David Creamer]

> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than
setting up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the
desired button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one
font per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for
the button desired. 

David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com

Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

Yeah, FrameMaker's workflow isn't good for that. That's one reason I
avoid icon characters and in favor of tooltips.

You could probably automate it with FrameScript.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:
> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
>
> This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for 
> example. Many more.
>
> I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
> where I need to say 'Click X to ...'
>
> I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
> paragraph.
>
> If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to 
> adjust size (if required).
> If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
> the html (using a class to control size and placing).
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[Robert Lauriston]

Yeah, FrameMaker's workflow isn't good for that. That's one reason I
avoid icon characters and in favor of tooltips.

You could probably automate it with FrameScript.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Alastair Dent  
wrote:
> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.
>
> This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for 
> example. Many more.
>
> I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
> where I need to say 'Click X to ...'
>
> I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
> paragraph.
>
> If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to 
> adjust size (if required).
> If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
> the html (using a class to control size and placing).

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for example. 
Many more.

I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
where I need to say 'Click X to ...'

I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
paragraph.

If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to adjust 
size (if required).
If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
the html (using a class to control size and placing).

In Frame it seems to be a four-step manual process to paste and place the 
bitmap - and the placing and sizing can't even be controlled with a style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 11 September 2013 13:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

David Creamer
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[Alastair Dent]

As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for example. 
Many more.

I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
where I need to say 'Click X to ...'

I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
paragraph.

If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to adjust 
size (if required).
If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
the html (using a class to control size and placing).

In Frame it seems to be a four-step manual process to paste and place the 
bitmap - and the placing and sizing can't even be controlled with a style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 11 September 2013 13:55
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

David Creamer
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[Alastair Dent]

That sounds like a good idea, except that in Frame 11, selecting an bitmap in a 
frame and pasting a bitmap doesn't replace the selection! I can paste into an 
empty frame. The pasted bitmap is placed on the centre of the page but can be 
manually dragged into the frame.
I'm very disappointed in how poor Frame is at handling this. I could literally 
code HTML faster in a text editor, including adding graphics, than do this work 
in Frame.



From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 10 September 2013 21:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: matt at mattrsullivan.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy 
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace it.
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[David Creamer]

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

David Creamer
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[David Creamer]

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com
Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That sounds like a good idea, except that in Frame 11, selecting an bitmap in a 
frame and pasting a bitmap doesn't replace the selection! I can paste into an 
empty frame. The pasted bitmap is placed on the centre of the page but can be 
manually dragged into the frame.
I'm very disappointed in how poor Frame is at handling this. I could literally 
code HTML faster in a text editor, including adding graphics, than do this work 
in Frame.



From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 10 September 2013 21:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: m...@mattrsullivan.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy 
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace it.
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It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon,
copy the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace
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[Lin Sims]

If someone has a copy of Bruce Fosters ImpGraph plugin that they're willing
to give you, that may do what you need. Unfortunately, Bruce has died and
as far as I am aware, this plugin is no longer publicly available. I'm also
unsure if it will work with anything past FM8.

You can also try Felix Ritter's fmGraphicTools. I'm less sure if it can do
what you need, and I have no information on its version compatibility. You
can find them at:
http://www.mevis-research.de/~ritter/awakeideas/fmtools.html

Hope that helps,

Lin


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

>  Thanks for your reply, Matt.
>
> ** **
>
> When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below
> the insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and
> pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are
> hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to
> use as I?m writing.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt at mattrsullivan.com]
> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 22:20
> *To:* Alastair Dent
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> ** **
>
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the
> Fm11 book!
>
> ** **
>
> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used
> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find
> a faster solution than that...
>
>
> -Matt
>
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
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> On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into
> instructions.
>
>  
>
> I?ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
>
> Paste graphic
>
> Select frame, chance to ?anchor at insertion point?.
>
>  
>
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>
>  
>
> What am I missing?
>
>  
>
> *Alastair Dent*
>
> Technical Author
>
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>
> t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Lin Sims]

If someone has a copy of Bruce Fosters ImpGraph plugin that they're willing
to give you, that may do what you need. Unfortunately, Bruce has died and
as far as I am aware, this plugin is no longer publicly available. I'm also
unsure if it will work with anything past FM8.

You can also try Felix Ritter's fmGraphicTools. I'm less sure if it can do
what you need, and I have no information on its version compatibility. You
can find them at:
http://www.mevis-research.de/~ritter/awakeideas/fmtools.html

Hope that helps,

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On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

>  Thanks for your reply, Matt.
>
> ** **
>
> When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below
> the insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and
> pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are
> hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to
> use as I’m writing.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
> *Sent:* 09 September 2013 22:20
> *To:* Alastair Dent
> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> ** **
>
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the
> Fm11 book!
>
> ** **
>
> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used
> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find
> a faster solution than that...
>
>
> -Matt
>
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
> *
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> ** **
>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into
> instructions.
>
>  
>
> I’ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
>
> Paste graphic
>
> Select frame, chance to ‘anchor at insertion point’.
>
>  
>
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>
>  
>
> What am I missing?
>
>  
>
> *Alastair Dent*
>
> Technical Author
>
> Imagination Technologies Limited
>
> t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
>
> www.imgtec.com
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Inserting inline graphics

[Robert Lauriston]

It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon,
copy the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace
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[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for your reply, Matt.

When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below the 
insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?


Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and 
pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are 
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use 
as I'm writing.

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 
book!

I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down 
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster 
solution than that...

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.dent at imgtec.com>> wrote:


I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for your reply, Matt.

When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below the 
insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?


Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and 
pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are 
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use 
as I'm writing.

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 
book!

I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down 
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster 
solution than that...

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | 
m...@mattrsullivan.com<mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com>

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mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>> wrote:


I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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Inserting inline graphics

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing 
> the Fm11 book!
>
> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used 
> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll 
> find a faster solution than that...
>
>
> -Matt
>
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
> *
> *P:*714.798.7596 |*C:*714.585.2335 |matt at mattrsullivan.com 
> 
>
> @mattrsullivan 
> LinkedIn
>  
> facebook
>  
> mattrsullivan.com
>  
> 
>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent  > wrote:
>
>> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into 
>> instructions.
>> I?ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
>> Paste graphic
>> Select frame, chance to ?anchor at insertion point?.
>> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>> What am I missing?
>

Matt,

Doesn't FM 11 allow you to create Object tags similar to Pgf tags? I 
only have FM 10, so don't know if that would be a solution.

For myself, I would create suitably sized and populated anchored frames 
in a text box on a reference page, with each frame anchored At Insertion 
Point and Distance Below Baseline set to -3pt or whatever suits the font 
size/leading. Then I'd copy/paste frames from that "button library" as 
required.  Note to Alistair, I do hope you are importing the graphic 
only once, by reference, and then copying/pasting that instance?  Not a 
good idea to import by copying into the document over and over.

HTH,

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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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[Alastair Dent]

I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

Hi Stuart, I did consider the Object styles, but the difference in sizes of inline graphics seemed too much to manage. The Alt+arrow method was easy enough to apply per graphic. I did search through the maker.ini for a way to set a better default baseline, but couldn't locate one.Object styles were a HUGE help with larger graphics, though. They allowed rapid, more sophisticated formatting of the screen captures, and actually trimmed 100 pages off Sarah's previous 800 page Fm8 book. Also, the better positioning helped keep text descriptions next to the graphics instead of above/below/on the following page.I did create a table of graphics for oft-used buttons from the  toolbars to help with locating and importing the buttons. Ultimately I put the parens and the graphic (with repositioned baseline) into the table, and was pretty happy with the rate at which I could reuse those chunks.
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Stuart Rogers  wrote:
  

  
  
On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan
  wrote:


  
  I had to do that approximately
  eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 book!
  
  
  I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste.
Then I used Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I
don't know that you'll find a faster solution than that...

-Matt
  
  
Matt,

Doesn't FM 11 allow you to create Object tags similar to Pgf tags? 
I only have FM 10, so don't know if that would be a solution.

For myself, I would create suitably sized and populated anchored
frames in a text box on a reference page, with each frame anchored
At Insertion Point and Distance Below Baseline set to -3pt or
whatever suits the font size/leading. Then I'd copy/paste frames
from that "button library" as required.  Note to Alistair, I do hope
you are importing the graphic only once, by reference, and then
copying/pasting that instance?  Not a good idea to import by copying
into the document over and over.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

  

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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:
 
> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
> 
> I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
> Paste graphic
> Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
> 
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
> 
> What am I missing?

The Auto-Text plug-in from Silicon Prairie Software: 

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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing 
the Fm11 book!


I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used 
Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll 
find a faster solution than that...



-Matt

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent > wrote:


I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into 
instructions.

I’ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to ‘anchor at insertion point’.
I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
What am I missing?




Matt,

Doesn't FM 11 allow you to create Object tags similar to Pgf tags? I 
only have FM 10, so don't know if that would be a solution.


For myself, I would create suitably sized and populated anchored frames 
in a text box on a reference page, with each frame anchored At Insertion 
Point and Distance Below Baseline set to -3pt or whatever suits the font 
size/leading. Then I'd copy/paste frames from that "button library" as 
required.  Note to Alistair, I do hope you are importing the graphic 
only once, by reference, and then copying/pasting that instance?  Not a 
good idea to import by copying into the document over and over.


HTH,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Scott Prentice]

  
  
One could
certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that
  would simplify that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six
  hundred times" I'd look for some type of automation.  :)
  
  Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command
  (press shortcut keys), prompt for file .. Done! The anchoring type
  and offsets could all be pre set.
  
  Cheers,
  
  ...scott
  
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  Leximation, Inc.
  www.leximation.com
  
  

  On 9/9/13 2:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:


  
  I had to do that approximately
  eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 book!
  
  
  I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste.
Then I used Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I
don't know that you'll find a faster solution than that...

  
-Matt
  
  Matt R. Sullivan 
  co-author Publishing
  Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
  P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | m...@mattrsullivan.com 
  
  @mattrsullivan LinkedIn facebook mattrsullivan.com 




  On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent 
wrote:
  
  

  
I need to be able
  to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into
  instructions.
 
I’ve had a brief
  go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame,
  chance to ‘anchor at insertion point’.
 
I still end up
  with a button icon floating too high.
 
What am I missing?
 
Alastair
  Dent
Technical
Author
Imagination
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

If only I knew somebody… ;)I don't know how much time the scripting would have saved though. After the effort to script it, I'd still have to id the graphic, and choose the appropriate offset.Really, in this case I never felt like it was slowing me down. By choosing from my button matrix, I only spent a few seconds getting each button placed.As with everything Adobe, there's always a few different ways to get back home!Richard mentioned Auto-Text…perhaps I'll check on that if/when I run across that scenario again.
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:One could certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that would simplify that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six hundred times" I'd look for some type of automation.  :)Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command (press shortcut keys), prompt for file .. Done! The anchoring type and offsets could all be pre set.___


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Inserting inline graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

If only I knew somebody? ;)

I don't know how much time the scripting would have saved though. After the 
effort to script it, I'd still have to id the graphic, and choose the 
appropriate offset.

Really, in this case I never felt like it was slowing me down. By choosing from 
my button matrix, I only spent a few seconds getting each button placed.

As with everything Adobe, there's always a few different ways to get back home!

Richard mentioned Auto-Text?perhaps I'll check on that if/when I run across 
that scenario again.

-Matt

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

> One could certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that would simplify 
> that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six hundred times" I'd look 
> for some type of automation.  :)
> 
> Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command (press 
> shortcut keys), prompt for file .. Done! The anchoring type and offsets could 
> all be pre set.

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Inserting inline graphics

[Combs, Richard]

Alastair Dent wrote:

> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
> 
> I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
> Paste graphic
> Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
> 
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
> 
> What am I missing?

The Auto-Text plug-in from Silicon Prairie Software: 

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html 


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Inserting inline graphics

[Scott Prentice]

One could certainly create a plugin or Frame/ExtendScript that would 
simplify that process. Before doing something "eleventh-six hundred 
times" I'd look for some type of automation.  :)

Sounds like an "Insert Icon" command is needed here. Run command (press 
shortcut keys), prompt for file .. Done! The anchoring type and offsets 
could all be pre set.

Cheers,

...scott

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Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com

On 9/9/13 2:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing 
> the Fm11 book!
>
> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used 
> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll 
> find a faster solution than that...
>
>
> -Matt
>
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
> *
> *P:*714.798.7596 |*C:*714.585.2335 |matt at mattrsullivan.com 
> 
>
> @mattrsullivan 
> LinkedIn
>  
> facebook
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>
> On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent  > wrote:
>
>> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into 
>> instructions.
>> I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
>> Paste graphic
>> Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.
>> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>> What am I missing?
>> *Alastair Dent*
>> Technical Author
>> Imagination Technologies Limited
>> t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
>> www.imgtec.com 
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[Matt Sullivan]

Hi Stuart, I did consider the Object styles, but the difference in sizes of 
inline graphics seemed too much to manage. The Alt+arrow method was easy enough 
to apply per graphic. 

I did search through the maker.ini for a way to set a better default baseline, 
but couldn't locate one.

Object styles were a HUGE help with larger graphics, though. They allowed 
rapid, more sophisticated formatting of the screen captures, and actually 
trimmed 100 pages off Sarah's previous 800 page Fm8 book. Also, the better 
positioning helped keep text descriptions next to the graphics instead of 
above/below/on the following page.

I did create a table of graphics for oft-used buttons from the  toolbars to 
help with locating and importing the buttons. Ultimately I put the parens and 
the graphic (with repositioned baseline) into the table, and was pretty happy 
with the rate at which I could reuse those chunks.

-Matt

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Stuart Rogers  
wrote:

> On 2013-Sep-09 5:19 PM, Matt Sullivan wrote:
>> I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the 
>> Fm11 book!
>> 
>> I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used 
>> Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find 
>> a faster solution than that...
>> 
>> -Matt
> 
> Matt,
> 
> Doesn't FM 11 allow you to create Object tags similar to Pgf tags?  I only 
> have FM 10, so don't know if that would be a solution.
> 
> For myself, I would create suitably sized and populated anchored frames in a 
> text box on a reference page, with each frame anchored At Insertion Point and 
> Distance Below Baseline set to -3pt or whatever suits the font size/leading. 
> Then I'd copy/paste frames from that "button library" as required.  Note to 
> Alistair, I do hope you are importing the graphic only once, by reference, 
> and then copying/pasting that instance?  Not a good idea to import by copying 
> into the document over and over.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -- 
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> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
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Re: Inserting inline graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 book!I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster solution than that...
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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions. I’ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complexPaste graphicSelect frame, chance to ‘anchor at insertion point’. I still end up with a button icon floating too high. What am I missing? Alastair DentTechnical AuthorImagination Technologies Limitedt: +44 (0)113 242 9814www.imgtec.com ___You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___


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Inserting inline graphics

[Matt Sullivan]

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 
book!

I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down 
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster 
solution than that...

-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 11 
P: 714.798.7596 | C: 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com 

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Alastair Dent  wrote:

> I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.
>  
> I?ve had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
> Paste graphic
> Select frame, chance to ?anchor at insertion point?.
>  
> I still end up with a button icon floating too high.
>  
> What am I missing?
>  
> Alastair Dent
> Technical Author
> Imagination Technologies Limited
> t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
> www.imgtec.com
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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com

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