RE: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Whoa, Will! I'm not saying unequivocally they won't. It is a distinct possibility because the company really is not penurious. But part of the question is timing and part of it is picking what you ask for. We've got a big software upgrade purchase going through the channels for myself and a colleague, and I don't want to do anything right now that might derail or delay that. Template Mapper may be an option, but I'm operating under the assumption that now is not the right moment to ask. I phrased the question as I did because I didn't want to get hung up on something that very well might not happen now when other options could be available. The responses that have come have borne out some very useful possibilities. Not so grumpy after a long weekend :) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whites Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:32 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Jim - So my understanding is that the company you work for will not spring for $200 for SW that will end up saving you dozens of hours of grunt work and the company possibly thousands of dollars in your salary. For discussion's sake, let's say buy Template Mapper with your own funds, use it for this project, and uninstall it when you leave to go to a wiser and less penurious employer. Unless your children are truly going to do without milk and shoes, I'd say spend the $200. Feeling rather grumpy this Friday afternoon, Will White ViaLogy LLC On May 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: Hello, all -- I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 project. The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ whitefamily%40mac.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ++ First Soviet Citizen: Comrade, what kind of a day is it for you? Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow. ++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Whoa, Will! I'm not saying unequivocally they won't. It is a distinct possibility because the company really is not penurious. But part of the question is timing and part of it is picking what you ask for. We've got a big software upgrade purchase going through the channels for myself and a colleague, and I don't want to do anything right now that might derail or delay that. Template Mapper may be an option, but I'm operating under the assumption that now is not the right moment to ask. I phrased the question as I did because I didn't want to get hung up on something that very well might not happen now when other options could be available. The responses that have come have borne out some very useful possibilities. Not so grumpy after a long weekend :) Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Whites Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 8:32 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Jim - So my understanding is that the company you work for will not spring for $200 for SW that will end up saving you dozens of hours of grunt work and the company possibly thousands of dollars in your salary. "For discussion's sake," let's say buy Template Mapper with your own funds, use it for this project, and uninstall it when you leave to go to a wiser and less penurious employer. Unless your children are truly going to do without milk and shoes, I'd say spend the $200. Feeling rather grumpy this Friday afternoon, Will White ViaLogy LLC On May 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Hello, all -- > > I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template > tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins > (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task > is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based > upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template > Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter > how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is > not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just > postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's > sake, this is a $0 project. > > The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes > with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is > the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old > docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and > cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? > > Jim > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as whitefamily at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ > whitefamily%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ++ First Soviet Citizen: Comrade, what kind of a day is it for you? Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow. ++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
At 21:14 -0400 23/5/08, Rene S. wrote: I do have SPS Paragraph Tools and Character Tools, and they're extremely useful and easy to use. Echo this: these plug-ins will do tag name mapping for you and cost pocket-money. A huge vote of thanks to Steve Kubis for providing them at such reasonable prices. I have in the past included licences for SP plug-ins in client packs at my own expense, and count Paragraph, Character, Table Tools and Autotext plug-ins as essential for any serious FrameMaker installation. We few stalwart Mac FrameMaker users are very limited in the choice of plug-ins available to us, so this is a double benefit. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Of Templates and Legacy Docs
At 21:14 -0400 23/5/08, Rene S. wrote: >I do have SPS Paragraph Tools and Character Tools, and they're extremely >useful and easy to use. Echo this: these plug-ins will do tag name mapping for you and cost pocket-money. A huge vote of thanks to Steve Kubis for providing them at such reasonable prices. I have in the past included licences for SP plug-ins in client packs at my own expense, and count Paragraph, Character, Table Tools and Autotext plug-ins as essential for any serious FrameMaker installation. We few stalwart Mac FrameMaker users are very limited in the choice of plug-ins available to us, so this is a double benefit. -- Steve
Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Hello, all -- I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 project. The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Jim Pinkham asked: The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... You are not doomed to a paragraph-by-paragraph reformatting exercise. Start by identifying the mapping of old styles to new. For all cases of 1-to-1 mappings (exactly one old style maps to a particular new style) just rename the old style before you import the new template and its formatting. For cases where more than one old style maps to a new style, you can rename only one of the old styles (pick the most prevalent one) and you'll need to retag the the remaining paragraphs to the new style name. Then once everything is tagged with new names, simply import the new template. Not terrible, but the tool would be faster and much less boring. _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
If you're just changing the names of the tags, or consistently reassigning some tags as other tags, consider saving the files as MIF and doing a search-and-replace on the tag names. Is this a $0 solution? well, there's a cost involved in learning enough MIF to do it. If you can spare a week or so, that's probably all you'd need (depending on the complexity of the problem). Then there's the time it takes to alter the MIF files. Are you _sure_ you can't find $200? Pinkham, Jim wrote: Hello, all -- I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 project. The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value). This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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THis link may be useful as well: http://www.freeframers.org/archive/01/msg01023.html Pinkham, Jim wrote: Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value). This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i¢m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Well, the way I read this (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), Jim P's costs went down to $10. Nice. Don Jim Owens wrote: THis link may be useful as well: http://www.freeframers.org/archive/01/msg01023.html Pinkham, Jim wrote: Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value). This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i¢m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/donald.m.rinderknecht%40noaa.gov Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch 120 David L. Boren Blvd Suite 2640 Norman, OK 73072 405.325.2805 ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov ~ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks, Jim! Hello, Schlomo. I checked microtype.com and saw several training classes offered. Any plans on heading toward the southeastern U.S. in the near future? Rene Stephenson _ From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value). This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
I do have SPS Paragraph Tools and Character Tools, and they're extremely useful and easy to use. Rick Quatro also has a plugin (FindChangeSpecial) that does onesies of condition tag and other changes, as well as a script FindChangeSpecialBatch that allows bulk processing of remapping and deleting all kinds of stuff from paragraph and character formats to variables to condition tags and lots of other stuff, all in one fell swoop. If memory serves, I think it handles cross-references, too (Rick?) There was another post recently about a condition tag remapper that Ian Hawkins is developing that checks to see if the condition is in use. Martin at Golehtek.com has some plugins, too, that you might find useful. HTH Rene Stephenson -Original Message- From: Jim Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:20 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: Rene Stephenson; Fred Ridder; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs THis link may be useful as well: http://www.freeframers.org/archive/01/msg01023.html Pinkham, Jim wrote: Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value). This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i¢m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 7:06 AM ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Jim - So my understanding is that the company you work for will not spring for $200 for SW that will end up saving you dozens of hours of grunt work and the company possibly thousands of dollars in your salary. For discussion's sake, let's say buy Template Mapper with your own funds, use it for this project, and uninstall it when you leave to go to a wiser and less penurious employer. Unless your children are truly going to do without milk and shoes, I'd say spend the $200. Feeling rather grumpy this Friday afternoon, Will White ViaLogy LLC On May 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: Hello, all -- I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 project. The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Jim ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ whitefamily%40mac.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ++ First Soviet Citizen: Comrade, what kind of a day is it for you? Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow. ++ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Of Templates and Legacy Docs
Hello, all -- I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 project. The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Jim
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Jim Pinkham asked: > The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with > Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the > fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am > I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell > transformations? Or are there better alternatives? Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... You are not doomed to a paragraph-by-paragraph reformatting exercise. Start by identifying the mapping of old styles to new. For all cases of 1-to-1 mappings (exactly one old style maps to a particular new style) just rename the old style before you import the new template and its formatting. For cases where more than one old style maps to a new style, you can rename only one of the old styles (pick the most prevalent one) and you'll need to retag the the remaining paragraphs to the new style name. Then once everything is tagged with new names, simply import the new template. Not terrible, but the tool would be faster and much less boring. _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld
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If you're just changing the names of the tags, or consistently reassigning some tags as other tags, consider saving the files as MIF and doing a search-and-replace on the tag names. Is this a $0 solution? well, there's a cost involved in learning enough MIF to do it. If you can spare a week or so, that's probably all you'd need (depending on the complexity of the problem). Then there's the time it takes to alter the MIF files. Are you _sure_ you can't find $200? Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Hello, all -- > > I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template > tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins > (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task > is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based upon > old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper would > be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and > cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an option in > the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a > good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 > project. > > The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes with > Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the > fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old docs. Am > I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell > transformations? Or are there better alternatives? > > Jim > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jowens at magma.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
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Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: "Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value)." This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. Please... Pretty please with sugar on top Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message Fred Ridder responded: Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... ... _ Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Well, the way I read this (http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/), Jim P's costs went down to $10. Nice. Don Jim Owens wrote: > THis link may be useful as well: > > http://www.freeframers.org/archive/01/msg01023.html > > > Pinkham, Jim wrote: > >> Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's >> question based on a quick Google search: >> >> "Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a >> license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 >> value)." >> >> This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, >> http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. >> >> Jim >> >> >> >> >> From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinnie1 at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM >> To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs >> >> >> Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been >> searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and >> Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it >> nowadays. >> >> Please... Pretty please with sugar on top >> >> >> >> Rene L. Stephenson >> >> >> - Original Message >> Fred Ridder responded: >> >> Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you >> would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... >> ... >> _ >> Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. >> http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as jowens at magma.ca. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca >> >> Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >> >> >> >> > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/donald.m.rinderknecht%40noaa.gov > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch 120 David L. Boren Blvd Suite 2640 Norman, OK 73072 405.325.2805 ~ Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov ~
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Thanks, Jim! Hello, Schlomo. I checked microtype.com and saw several training classes offered. Any plans on heading toward the southeastern U.S. in the near future? Rene Stephenson _ From: Pinkham, Jim [mailto:jim.pink...@voith.com] Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: "Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value)." This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. Jim
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I do have SPS Paragraph Tools and Character Tools, and they're extremely useful and easy to use. Rick Quatro also has a plugin (FindChangeSpecial) that does onesies of condition tag and other changes, as well as a script FindChangeSpecialBatch that allows bulk processing of remapping and deleting all kinds of stuff from paragraph and character formats to variables to condition tags and lots of other stuff, all in one fell swoop. If memory serves, I think it handles cross-references, too (Rick?) There was another post recently about a condition tag remapper that Ian Hawkins is developing that checks to see if the condition is in use. Martin at Golehtek.com has some plugins, too, that you might find useful. HTH Rene Stephenson -Original Message- From: Jim Owens [mailto:jow...@magma.ca] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:20 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: Rene Stephenson; Fred Ridder; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs THis link may be useful as well: http://www.freeframers.org/archive/01/msg01023.html Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Thanks to all for good ideas thus far. I can give a partial answer to Rene's question based on a quick Google search: > > "Participants in the upcoming FrameMaker Template Design seminars receive a license for CudSpan's TemplateMapper plug-in for FrameMaker/Windows ($200 value)." > > This is apparently a current fringe for attending MicroType training, http://www.microtype.com/training/FMTemplateDesign.pdf. > > Jim > > > > > From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinnie1 at yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:55 PM > To: Fred Ridder; Pinkham, Jim; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Of Templates and Legacy Docs > > > Nope, but you would need to tell him (and the rest of us who have been searching for it for a couple of years now since CudSpan went off-line and Mr. Despopoulos dropped out of virtual visability) how we can purchase it nowadays. > > Please... Pretty please with sugar on top > > > > Rene L. Stephenson > > > - Original Message > Fred Ridder responded: > > Well, I won't go into any discussion of how many hours of your time you > would need to save to pay for the $200 cost of Template Mapper... > ... > _ > Change the world with e-mail. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ChangeWorld > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jowens at magma.ca. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.0/1460 - Release Date: 5/22/2008 7:06 AM
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Jim - So my understanding is that the company you work for will not spring for $200 for SW that will end up saving you dozens of hours of grunt work and the company possibly thousands of dollars in your salary. "For discussion's sake," let's say buy Template Mapper with your own funds, use it for this project, and uninstall it when you leave to go to a wiser and less penurious employer. Unless your children are truly going to do without milk and shoes, I'd say spend the $200. Feeling rather grumpy this Friday afternoon, Will White ViaLogy LLC On May 23, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Pinkham, Jim wrote: > Hello, all -- > > I've just spent a couple of days getting our standard manual template > tweaked and polished and localized from its timeworn Germanic origins > (we inherited from our corporate parent across the pond). Now the task > is to begin applying the template to new docs that are often based > upon > old manuals that used the old template. Looks like Template Mapper > would > be perfect for the task, but let's assume that no matter how wise and > cost-effective and practical it might be, that $200 is not an > option in > the near future. So let's not go there. We'll just postulate that's a > good idea, and leave it at that. For discussion's sake, this is a $0 > project. > > The question is this: Just using the normal set of tools that comes > with > Frame (7.1 on Windows XP SP-2), and possibly freeware, what is the > fastest, most effective way to migrate a new template into old > docs. Am > I doomed to paragraph-by-paragraph, table-by-table, and cell-by-cell > transformations? Or are there better alternatives? > > Jim > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as whitefamily at mac.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ > whitefamily%40mac.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ++ First Soviet Citizen: Comrade, what kind of a day is it for you? Second Soviet Citizen: Average. Worse than yesterday, better than tomorrow. ++
