Re: Page count even or no

2015-01-02 Thread Michael Norton
For our main user manuals and training guides, the PDFs are set up just like a 
regular book, with odd/even layouts and an even number of pages. I use roman 
numerals for the front material. As for the odd/even layouts, our design 
doesn't include a scholar's margin, so it really just affects the 
headers/footers - and shouldn't affect on-screen viewing to much. We feel that 
while some users will view these books on-line, many users will print these 
books and design them accordingly.

We also have minor documents that are typically attached to a knowledge base 
article. Most of these do not have a ToC and are single-file documents. For 
these documents I omit blank pages and there is no front material.




Michael Norton | Technical Writer

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Re: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread David Farbey
Yes, I do still produce PDFs according to print protocols - because I'm
told that it is what our customers want. Other companies, other customers,
may need other formats.

David

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On 18 December 2014 at 02:00, Rick Quatro r...@rickquatro.com wrote:

 Hi Gillian,

 The important thing for me is that the right hand pages are numbered odd
 and
 the left hand pages even. I want it to paginate correctly in case I decide
 to print it out. Printing a PDF that I want to read is not unusual for an
 old guy like me. It doesn't bother me if there are blank pages here and
 there to make the pagination correct.

 Rick

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc.
 585-366-4017
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 hardly anyone prints a manual anymore?


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RE: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Etzel, Gary
We recently changed our templates to eliminate the alternating left/right page 
layouts, since a consistent page layout looks better online, but we still keep 
the blank pages if anyone wants to print double-sided. Our pages are numbered 
consecutively straight through the entire document, starting at the front 
cover, so that the PDF page number always matches the printed page number.

Best regards,

Gary Etzel
Technical Communications Manager
DNV GL


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RE: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Keith Soltys
That's essentially the format I've adopted for our current templates. I publish 
to our web server using WebWorks Reverb for our primary format, but use PDFs 
for reviews and for externally distributed documents. Documents with large 
complex tables are usually easier to read on paper and some of our diagrams 
have to be printed out in tabloid size (or larger) to be readable.

Regards
Keith

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Subject: RE: Page count even or no

We recently changed our templates to eliminate the alternating left/right page 
layouts, since a consistent page layout looks better online, but we still keep 
the blank pages if anyone wants to print double-sided. Our pages are numbered 
consecutively straight through the entire document, starting at the front 
cover, so that the PDF page number always matches the printed page number.

Best regards,

Gary Etzel
Technical Communications Manager
DNV GL


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Thanks!

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Re: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Shmuel
I think it partly depends on whether the documentation is very 
technical. The more technical, the more people expect the layout to have 
right/left pages.


--
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Technical Writer
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On 18-Dec-14 3:55 PM, Keith Soltys wrote:

That's essentially the format I've adopted for our current templates. I publish 
to our web server using WebWorks Reverb for our primary format, but use PDFs 
for reviews and for externally distributed documents. Documents with large 
complex tables are usually easier to read on paper and some of our diagrams 
have to be printed out in tabloid size (or larger) to be readable.

Regards
Keith

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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:05 AM
To: Gillian Flato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Page count even or no

We recently changed our templates to eliminate the alternating left/right page 
layouts, since a consistent page layout looks better online, but we still keep 
the blank pages if anyone wants to print double-sided. Our pages are numbered 
consecutively straight through the entire document, starting at the front 
cover, so that the PDF page number always matches the printed page number.

Best regards,

Gary Etzel
Technical Communications Manager
DNV GL


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Subject: Page count even or no

Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even number 
of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and hardly anyone 
prints a manual anymore?


Thanks!

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Re: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread John Sgammato
We keep the left/right because many of our customers print the PDFs and
keep them in binders for compliance or policy reasons. It's no extra
trouble, and the docs look more professional is they ever need to show or
refer to those printed versions.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Shmuel shmue...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it partly depends on whether the documentation is very technical.
 The more technical, the more people expect the layout to have right/left
 pages.

 --
 Shmuel Wolfson
 Technical Writer
 052-763-7133

 On 18-Dec-14 3:55 PM, Keith Soltys wrote:

 That's essentially the format I've adopted for our current templates. I
 publish to our web server using WebWorks Reverb for our primary format, but
 use PDFs for reviews and for externally distributed documents. Documents
 with large complex tables are usually easier to read on paper and some of
 our diagrams have to be printed out in tabloid size (or larger) to be
 readable.

 Regards
 Keith

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 frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Etzel, Gary
 Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:05 AM
 To: Gillian Flato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Page count even or no

 We recently changed our templates to eliminate the alternating left/right
 page layouts, since a consistent page layout looks better online, but we
 still keep the blank pages if anyone wants to print double-sided. Our pages
 are numbered consecutively straight through the entire document, starting
 at the front cover, so that the PDF page number always matches the printed
 page number.

 Best regards,

 Gary Etzel
 Technical Communications Manager
 DNV GL


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RE: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Tammy Van Boening
I have a few clients that say exactly what you say  since everyone reads
PDFs online and hardly anyone prints a manual anymore they want the
chapters to end just when they end, regardless of page number, and then I
have clients who are insistent on double-sided PDFs for proper pagination
upon printing. The more complicated/technical the document, the more that I
tend to be in Rick Quatro's camp (especially because of  my age as well!)

TVB

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Subject: Page count even or no

Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even
number of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and
hardly anyone prints a manual anymore?


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Gillian Flato
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Re: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Scott Prentice

imho
It's my assumption that the purpose of a PDF is to represent a printed 
book, so I will typically include all the bits that make that PDF into a 
book if printed. There are still lots of people who print PDFs (or at 
least parts). If someone reading the PDF online has to jump over a blank 
page here or there, that seems like a minor inconvenience compared to 
the bad pagination when printed double sided. Whether you start with 
page 1 or i seems less important to me and I can totally see the 
point of forgoing the roman numbering, since that's a holdover from when 
the frontmatter was generated separate from the body. (I do still prefer 
the roman numbering, just because it feels better to me though.)


If you're providing PDFs primarily as online documentation, that seems 
like a bad idea to me. PDF is a horrible format to read online. It's 
certainly fine in a pinch or if that's all that is provided, but a well 
thought out HTML-based (searchable and fully indexed) set of online 
docs, is much more efficient.

/imho

Cheers,

...scott


On 12/17/14 5:35 PM, Gillian Flato wrote:

Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even number 
of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and hardly anyone 
prints a manual anymore?


Thanks!

Gillian Flato
Technical Publications
Pi-Coral, Inc.
gillian.fl...@pi-coral.com





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RE: Page count even or no

2014-12-18 Thread Craig, Alison
I keep to a standard book style as well – especially as we are required (per 
Medical Device Regulations) to provide printed manuals when requested.

Alison


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:49 AM
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: Page count even or no

We keep the left/right because many of our customers print the PDFs and keep 
them in binders for compliance or policy reasons. It's no extra trouble, and 
the docs look more professional is they ever need to show or refer to those 
printed versions.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Shmuel 
shmue...@gmail.commailto:shmue...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it partly depends on whether the documentation is very technical. The 
more technical, the more people expect the layout to have right/left pages.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 18-Dec-14 3:55 PM, Keith Soltys wrote:
That's essentially the format I've adopted for our current templates. I publish 
to our web server using WebWorks Reverb for our primary format, but use PDFs 
for reviews and for externally distributed documents. Documents with large 
complex tables are usually easier to read on paper and some of our diagrams 
have to be printed out in tabloid size (or larger) to be readable.

Regards
Keith

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Subject: RE: Page count even or no

We recently changed our templates to eliminate the alternating left/right page 
layouts, since a consistent page layout looks better online, but we still keep 
the blank pages if anyone wants to print double-sided. Our pages are numbered 
consecutively straight through the entire document, starting at the front 
cover, so that the PDF page number always matches the printed page number.

Best regards,

Gary Etzel
Technical Communications Manager
DNV GL


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Page count even or no

2014-12-17 Thread Gillian Flato
Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even number 
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prints a manual anymore?


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Re: Page count even or no

2014-12-17 Thread Robert Lauriston
When it's my choice, no facing pages, no blank pages, the cover is page 1.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Gillian Flato
gillian.fl...@pi-coral.com wrote:
 Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even number 
 of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and hardly 
 anyone prints a manual anymore?
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RE: Page count even or no

2014-12-17 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Gillian,

The important thing for me is that the right hand pages are numbered odd and
the left hand pages even. I want it to paginate correctly in case I decide
to print it out. Printing a PDF that I want to read is not unusual for an
old guy like me. It doesn't bother me if there are blank pages here and
there to make the pagination correct.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-366-4017
r...@frameexpert.com




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Subject: Page count even or no

Do you guys still follow print protocols and produce PDFs with an even
number of pages per chapter, or no, since everyone reads PDFs online and
hardly anyone prints a manual anymore?


Thanks!

Gillian Flato
Technical Publications
Pi-Coral, Inc.
gillian.fl...@pi-coral.com



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