RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
David, The only time I've ever experienced the behavior you are describing is if I had been running FrameMaker with more than one monitor and had some menus (e.g. Para Designer / Char Designer) displayed off of the main monitor. That is probably not the cause for you. What you are experiencing is definitely not normal, with FrameMaker 12. When you first start FrameMaker, if you invoke the paragraph designer via Format menu or shortcut (Control-m) the menu should simply appear, docked in the right hand side of screen. FM 12 has a new feature that enables you to save selected files when you quit FrameMaker. When you restart FrameMaker, you can use a Restore last session command: it will open the last documents you saved and even display the same zoom level and the same page that you were on. Pods will be in same display. You can see this in action in a 90 second video that demonstrates this feature at: http://adobe.ly/1eBC4Hl Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Downing Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Floating windows caused all kinds of problems for me in FM10. I gave up and just adapted to the less efficient default docked UI settings. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: Can somebody test Robert's list of broken sortcuts in FM12 and post the results. (He's using FM10 if I recall correctly.) I have to say that in FM11 I've never seen Ctrl-M and Ctrl-D not bring up the Paragraph and Character Designers above the other workspace elements. I always work with the active document files docked. A floating document window might cause a problem obscuring other elements, but I don't know that. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer The new UI layered on top of the ancient one in FM9 introduced the problem David is encountering where dialogs and windows open behind other UI elements. It also broke many of the keyboard shortcuts I had relied on for years. I posted a list: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4798387 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Harro de Jong wrote: You can add or modify any shortcut you want. In the folder FrameMaker\fminit\configui you can find a couple of files that contain all of the shortcuts. The instructions are no longer included with newer versions of FrameMaker. IIRC Frame 7 included a PDF with instructions. You can either modify the existing files, or (better) create a file named customui.cfg This should contain entries in the vein of: Modify CharacterDefaultPgfFont KeySequence /F8 Modify ZoomInKeySequence ^ i Modify ZoomOut KeySequence ^ u 'CharacterDefaultPgfFont' is a string you can find in the other .cfg files. Find the string for the command you want to modify, and create a line in customui.cfg. ;the semicolon indicates a comment modifier keys: + for Shift, ^ for Control, ~ for Alt, \ for Esc The last instruction contains an error, you need to type \! instead of \ for Esc. Harro de Jong Triview Technical Communication ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Can somebody test Robert's list of broken sortcuts in FM12 and post the results. (He's using FM10 if I recall correctly.) I have to say that in FM11 I've never seen Ctrl-M and Ctrl-D not bring up the Paragraph and Character Designers above the other workspace elements. I always work with the active document files docked. A floating document window might cause a problem obscuring other elements, but I don't know that. Craig -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 1:03 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer The new UI layered on top of the ancient one in FM9 introduced the problem David is encountering where dialogs and windows open behind other UI elements. It also broke many of the keyboard shortcuts I had relied on for years. I posted a list: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4798387 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
The new UI layered on top of the ancient one in FM9 introduced the problem David is encountering where dialogs and windows open behind other UI elements. It also broke many of the keyboard shortcuts I had relied on for years. I posted a list: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4798387 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Has it by any chance appeared as a pod (not a dialog box) somewhere in one of the pod groups? On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:19 PM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I'd love to see all the old Mac shortcut keys to the interface (substituting Ctrl for the Apple key) as keystroke options. I had my old Unix machine set up to mimic those and that was the speediest access I have ever had to the interface. Saves wear and tear on the mousing hand, which is a big plus for me. Craig -- Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: mhoff...@adobe.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of them (some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that could be fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands. They're VERY useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.comwrote: David, Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you are using. Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away. * -- * *Maxwell Hoffmann* | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com *http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann* http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann* - **http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann*http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann* blogs.adobe.com/techcomm http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm* *Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J* *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *David Downing *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gapet...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gapeterb%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Craig Ede wrote: I'd love to see all the old Mac shortcut keys to the interface (substituting Ctrl for the Apple key) as keystroke options. You can add or modify any shortcut you want. In the folder FrameMaker\fminit\configui you can find a couple of files that contain all of the shortcuts. The instructions are no longer included with newer versions of FrameMaker. IIRC Frame 7 included a PDF with instructions. You can either modify the existing files, or (better) create a file named customui.cfg This should contain entries in the vein of: Modify CharacterDefaultPgfFont KeySequence /F8 Modify ZoomIn KeySequence ^ i Modify ZoomOut KeySequence ^ u 'CharacterDefaultPgfFont' is a string you can find in the other .cfg files. Find the string for the command you want to modify, and create a line in customui.cfg. ;the semicolon indicates a comment modifier keys: + for Shift, ^ for Control, ~ for Alt, \ for Esc Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Lin, I had a chance to spot check online Help in keyboard shortcuts for FM12, and they all appear to be there. Check this help page: http://adobe.ly/1eAcVwQ I have tried over 20 ESC shortcuts in my use of the product and they all worked. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:16 AM To: Maxwell Hoffmann Cc: David Downing; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of them (some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that could be fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands. They're VERY useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: David, Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you are using. Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952tel:503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719tel:503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcommhttp://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Downing Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.commailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Sometimes windows open behind other windows. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:10 PM, David Downing david.h.down...@gmail.com wrote: I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
David, Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you are using. Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.commailto:mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Downing Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of them (some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that could be fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands. They're VERY useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.comwrote: David, Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you are using. Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface to FrameMaker XML Editor ... which does make those menus go away. * -- * *Maxwell Hoffmann* | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com *http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann* http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann* - **http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann*http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann* blogs.adobe.com/techcomm http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm* *Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xI Recorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J* *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *David Downing *Sent:* Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer
I'd love to see all the old Mac shortcut keys to the interface (substituting Ctrl for the Apple key) as keystroke options. I had my old Unix machine set up to mimic those and that was the speediest access I have ever had to the interface. Saves wear and tear on the mousing hand, which is a big plus for me. Craig Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:16:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer From: ljsims...@gmail.com To: mhoff...@adobe.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Hey, Max, do the Esc shortcuts still work? Sometime around FM9, some of them (some of the table cursor movement ones) stopped working. I wish that could be fixed, too, and expanded to add the new features and commands. They're VERY useful for fast access to a lot of the submenus. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Maxwell Hoffmann mhoff...@adobe.com wrote: David, Those commands should work. You might also try the shortcuts Control-M for para designer and Control-D for character designer. Check to see which workspace you are using. Make sure that you did not use Edit-Preferences and change your user interface to “FrameMaker XML Editor” … which does make those menus go away. Maxwell Hoffmann | Product Evangelist | Adobe | p. 503.336.5952 | c. 503.805.3719 | mhoff...@adobe.com http://twitter.com/maxwellhoffmann - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maxwellhoffmann blogs.adobe.com/techcomm Upcoming webinars http://adobe.ly/Pbz6xIRecorded webinars: http://adobe.ly/Pbdp0J From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Downing Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:11 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Can't get to either the Paragraph Designer or Character Designer I was humming along very nicely with one of those tutorials until I hit a major snag. I was supposd to do something with the paragraph designer, and neither the tutorial nor the FM 12 User Guide was very clear on how to get to it. I searched on my own, and found the menu option Format - Paragraph - Designer, which looked like what I should select. So I selected it and -- nothing happened. At least, nothing appeared that I could recognize as the Paragraph Designer. The same thing happened with the character designer. So either I'm making some kind of error or something's wrong with my copy of FM. I hope it's my error and you can tell me how to correct it. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.