RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-12 Thread Bill Briggs 
At 5:36 AM -0700 10/10/06, David Creamer wrote:
>
> >This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
>> therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
>> any Intel-based machines. .
>
>The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in
>OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X).
>
>There is the breakdown:
>
>Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.*
>
>Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN
>run OS 9 through Classic emulation.
>
>Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9.
>Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well.
>
>
>The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it.
>The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires
>the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old
>beige G3 systems.)
>
>
>*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods.

 All of this reply is completely correct. I also run FrameMaker 7 in Classic on 
Tiger in a G4 PowerBook. Works as well as any application. It's more stable 
than Safari.

 - web
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-12 Thread Bill Briggs 
At 1:03 PM -0700 10/9/06, Sam Beard wrote:
>As far as I'm aware

 There's the rub. Unaware.

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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Paul Findon 

   On 10 Oct 2006, at 07:00, fAnn Zdunczyk wrote:

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A  
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4  
(Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9  
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac  
technology, which

I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there  
are any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with  
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep  
trying to

sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with  
Tiger.


There are a few additional issues to be aware of when running Mac  
FrameMaker with Tiger, but, for the most part, it works well.


I have a page detailing issues at:


For more "UNVARNISHED truth" and support, I suggest that you join the  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X mailing list at:



FWIW, I'm running Mac FrameMaker 6.0 on a Power Mac G5 Quad with Mac  
OS 10.4.8 (Tiger). It works well, is fast, and stable.


Paul
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 07:35 -0700 10/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>  Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
>was with the OS itself.

No sweat - easy mistake to make.

> I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as well as the G5s didn't 
> support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I believe, but not straight OS 
> 9.

Correct.

> I also knew that Apple wasn't porting anything OS 9/Classic-related over to 
> the new Intel-based Macs.

Also correct (dammit) :-(

> I wasn't aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that 
> Adobe hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case?

Correct. There was a campaign, thanks to Paul Findon, but it got us nowhere: 
http://www.fm4osx.org. I even wore the T-shirt to trade shows. (There was just 
the one T-shirt, but we shared it.)

A lot of Mac FrameMaker users became very, very angry.

> Anyone heard anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if 
> that is the case?

LOL.
-- 
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Sam Beard 
Hey Steve,

   Thanks for the input. Yes, I was mistakenly thinking that the issue
was with the OS itself. I knew that the last round, I believe, of G4s as
well as the G5s didn't support dual-booting. They still ran Classic, I
believe, but not straight OS 9. I also knew that Apple wasn't porting
anything OS 9/Classic-related over to the new Intel-based Macs. I wasn't
aware that, as it appears people are saying from this thread, that Adobe
hasn't ported over Frame to run in OS X. Is that the case? Anyone heard
anything about when Adobe might be releasing an OS X version, if that is
the case?

Thanks much,

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:40 AM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: framers@FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
>therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
>any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
>machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some
sort
>or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
>   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9
in any form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger
(i.e. OS) restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X
have supported OS 9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows
a full OS 9 to run within the OS X environment. And within that,
FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as you follow the guidelines given
here:

<http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html>

What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped
Macs run Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port
Classic to these machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever
people are working on, as Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac
users are still dependent on legacy software. But for FrameMaker, the
option at present on these machines is to run one of the software
solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:

<http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/>

<http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/>

<http://www.codeweavers.com/products/cxmac/>

Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older
hardware models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but
you should be able to find out here:

<http://www.apple-history.com/>

Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage
G4 that is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Sam Beard 
Hey Peter,

   I agree that this is an excellent series of books! I have one from OS
X 10.1, I believe. I was looking for one for Frame, since there are so
many others out there. Alas, I wasn't able to find one, so have been
looking for another good book for Frame. I recently bought the
Dreamweaver 8 Missing Manual and, so far, it looks to be just about as
good as Pogue's books. 

Sam Beard
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CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Peter wrote: 
You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common

and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.

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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Sam Beard 
All,

   I stand corrected! I'm guessing my mistake in this was with the
computers themselves and NOT the operating systems. I thought that
Classic was also tied to the OS as well as the computer. Apparently,
it's only tied to the computer. I believe that the last round of G4s and
the G5s didn't allow dual-booting into OS 9 as well as OS X. I wasn't
aware that Tiger still allowed a Classic environment. 
   I recently bought a new Mac Pro desktop, Intel-based, so this
knowledge doesn't help me any in my home situation, but it's still nice
to know! Thanks much, everyone, for their input and on setting me
straight on this!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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From: Michael O'Neill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:35 PM
To: Sam Beard; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a "Classic"
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a "Classic" icon under "System" that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



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From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

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Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that the

RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 14:48 -0700 9/10/06, Sam Beard wrote:

>   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
>therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
>any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
>machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
>or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
>   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

I can see where some of this confusion is coming from.

First off, Sam, your initial assertion of 'Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any 
form' is misleading (forgive my bluntness): it's not a Tiger (i.e. OS) 
restriction, but a hardware restriction. All versions of OS X have supported OS 
9 in its Classic form, a software wrapper that allows a full OS 9 to run within 
the OS X environment. And within that, FrameMaker runs just fine, as long as 
you follow the guidelines given here:



What *is* true is that none of the most recent range of Intel-chipped Macs run 
Classic. This is hardware issue: Apple chose not to port Classic to these 
machines. This is a situation that a lot of clever people are working on, as 
Apple appears to be unaware that many Mac users are still dependent on legacy 
software. But for FrameMaker, the option at present on these machines is to run 
one of the software solutions that support Windows or Windows apps:







Finally, Peter Gold's point about dual-boot Macs only applies to older hardware 
models. I forget when the last dual-boot Mac was dropped, but you should be 
able to find out here:



Fwiw, I have a 2000-vintage Cube that is dual boot, and a 2004-vintage G4 that 
is not, so it was sometime between those years.

-- 
Steve
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-10 Thread David Creamer 
>This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
> therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
> any Intel-based machines. .

The confusion comes from whether the computer can BOOT, that is start up, in
OS 9 -- or can it run OS 9 in Classic emulation (while running under OS X).

There is the breakdown:

Intel-based computers cannot run Classic or OS 9 at all.*

Almost all G5 and later-model G4 computers cannot BOOT into OS 9, but CAN
run OS 9 through Classic emulation.

Older G4 and most G3 systems can BOOT into either OS X or OS 9.
Logically, they can run OS 9 in Classic mode as well.


The issue is hardware based. Tiger (OS 10.4.X) has nothing to do with it.
The only requirement for Tiger, if I recall correctly, is that it requires
the computer to have built-in FireWire. (This basically leaves out the old
beige G3 systems.)


*Intel Macs can run Windows apps through a variety of methods.


David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. - Results-Oriented Training
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Apple Consultant Network member (since 1990)


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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Michael O'Neill 
I'm running this on a Mac Mini with a G4 proc.  

It's been a long time since I set it up, but as best as I can remember,
I installed the Classic environment as part of the initial setup and
configuration of Tiger.  This required the use of a "Classic"
environment disk (again, if I remember correctly).

When I try to open a Classic (OS9) application, the Classic environment
opens automatically within OS X and the application I originally tried
to open runs within this.  I don't boot to Classic or do any dual
booting shenanigans.

In the System Preferences, there is a "Classic" icon under "System" that
allows me to set various Classic options, including starting when
logging in, warning before starting Classic, various memory usage
settings for Classic, and more.  

OS 9/Classic does NOT appear as an option when under Startup Disk
preferences.

Sorry I can't provide too many details.  It's been a long time since I
initially set it up and I use Classic less and less frequently every
week that passes.  At least I know that in at least my circumstance,
Classic does work on Tiger.

-Michael



-Original Message-
From: Sam Beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 4:49 PM
To: Michael O'Neill; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

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Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
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President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Sam Beard 
Michael and Scott,

   This is intriguing to me. My understanding was that Classic, and
therefore OS 9, wouldn't run on any of the later machines, particularly
any Intel-based machines. Are either of you running one of these? What
machines are you running? Are you running OS 9 in emulation of some sort
or as a stand-alone OS, that you can choose upon start-up?
   In other words, more details, please! ;-P

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 
Scott White wrote:

We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well.
However, the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC
just fine. We are using it here. FYI.

And Michael O'Neill wrote:

For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

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Behalf Of Sam Beard
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:03 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com            
Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
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President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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Re: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Peter Gold 

Hi, Ann:

I'm running FrameMaker 7.x under Classic on Tiger 10.4.8 on a Powerbook 
Titanium 667mHz, 1GB RAM with no Tiger-specific problems. I can't 
remember if the Tiger I installed on the new replacement hard drive 
included OS 9, or if I dragged a System Folder for OS 9.22 from a backup 
drive.


You should also take note that you can install Tiger (or other OS X 
flavor) AND OS 9.x (or other release) on the same drive and choose which 
one to start up with. You can also install and run OSs on external 
drives, and choose to start up from the external drive. You do this in 
OS X by:


* Apple Menu > System Preferences > Start-up Disk (choose a system 9 or 
X folder for start-up and restart)


OR

* As soon as you start an OS X computer, press Option, which presents 
the option to choose a start-up folder (OS 9 or X, if both are present 
on drives that are accessible to the computer.


In OS 9:

Apple Menu > Control Panels > Start Up Disk (choose...then restart.)

One great area of my ignorance is that I don't know which of the many 
new Macs do not support OS 9 and Classic. The geniuses at the Apple 
store can give you definitive information on this.


You can read a lot about this (and other stuff) in David Pogue's 
excellent and thorough "Mac OS X: The Missing Manual" (choose the cat 
version you need.) There's not much he overlooks explaining about common 
and obscure aspects of Mac-ing.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

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Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

  


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Re: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Scott White 
We run Tiger and you have to take an OS9 disc and load it as well. However,
the Macs that run both windows and OS10 run Frame for the PC just fine. We
are using it here. FYI.
-- 
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> From: Sam Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:03:07 -0700
> To: 
> Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger
> 
> Ann,
> 
>As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
> X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
> emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
> that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
> you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
> tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
> there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
> and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
> bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
> out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!
> 
> Sam Beard
> Technical Communications - Special Projects
> CTES - LP
> 936 521-2241
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Ann Zdunczyk
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:48 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
> purchased
> an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
> run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
> applications
> on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
> which
> I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.
> 
> So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
> any
> problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
> Tiger. I
> know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
> to
> sell me the software.
> 
> So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.
> 
> Thanks All
> Z
> 
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> a2z Publishing, Inc.
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Michael O'Neill 
For what it's worth: 
I'm running 10.4.8 and still using some classic applications.  When
setting up the Mac, I had to install the Classic environment as well.
  
-Michael

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Subject: RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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RE: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

2006-10-09 Thread Sam Beard 
Ann,

   As far as I'm aware, Tiger does NOT support OS 9 in any form. Mac OS
X up to somewhere around 10.3 or so WOULD run OS 9 apps in, basically,
emulation form in what was known as Classic. However, OS X 10.4 dropped
that provision, as far as I know. But, then again, if an Apple rep told
you this, it might be true. Was the rep one of the sales phone reps or a
tech support rep, either at an Apple store or via the phone support? If
there's an Apple store near you, you might consider dropping in there
and asking them about your situation. The people staffing Apple's genius
bar are pretty knowledgeable and, usually, more than willing to help
out, and NOT just because that's what they get paid for, either!

Sam Beard
Technical Communications - Special Projects
CTES - LP
936 521-2241
 

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Subject: OS 9 Applications on Tiger

Hi All,

I have a G5 running Panther that I purchased several years ago. A
purchased
an upgrade for one of my applications and it requires OS 10.4 (Tiger) to
run. I was told by the Apple rep that Tiger would run my OS 9
applications
on this machine just fine. Since I do not have the New Mac technology,
which
I understand will not run OS 9 appications, I should be OK.

So I am asking the people on this list that work on Macs if there are
any
problems that they have running into running OS 9 applications with
Tiger. I
know you all will tell me the UNVARNISHED truth rather than a rep trying
to
sell me the software.

So please let me know of any problems that you have run into with Tiger.

Thanks All
Z

**
Ann Zdunczyk
President
a2z Publishing, Inc.
Language Layout & Translation Consulting
Phone: (336)922-1271
Fax:   (336)922-4980
Cell:  (336)456-4493
http://www.a2z-pub.com
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