Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
That's why I will sometimes do free demos or prototypes or short videos of a similar script. Some managers have no clue about the bottlenecks that writers/editors run into, but when they see something take 30 seconds that used to take all week, they suddenly get interested. From: A Craig Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:54 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. ; Rick Quatro Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? I've worked for many a "penny wise and pound foolish" employer over the years... Alison _ From: "Rick Quatro" mailto:r...@rickquatro.com> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2019 08:29:35 Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts, I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through doing repetitive tasks manually. -Original Message- From: Framers mailto:framers-bounces+rick=rickquatro@lists.frameusers.com> > On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is brilliantly self-correcting! ;) On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com> > wrote: > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com <mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com <mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
I've worked for many a "penny wise and pound foolish" employer over the years... Alison From: "Rick Quatro" To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." Sent: Wednesday, 18 December, 2019 08:29:35 Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts, I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through doing repetitive tasks manually. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is brilliantly self-correcting! ;) On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims wrote: > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
I automate as much as I can, and for that very reason. A few weeks ago, I learned how to create a Quick Step in Outlook (company email, you know how it is) that automates the emails I send asking for document reviews or announcing released documents. I was really please to find I could set up recipients and content like that. (MS does not make it easy.) On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 11:29 AM Rick Quatro wrote: > Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing > "monkey > work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients > and > me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on > scripts, > I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through > doing repetitive tasks manually. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Peter Gold > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? > > Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is > brilliantly self-correcting! ;) > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! > > > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Speaking for myself, I say lazy and hard-headed. I can't stand doing "monkey work." Automation has made work more tolerable and efficient for clients and me. When a potential client tells me that they can't spend money on scripts, I wonder if their managers know how much time and accuracy is lost through doing repetitive tasks manually. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:03 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is brilliantly self-correcting! ;) On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims wrote: > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Lin, this proves that not only is FM really smart, but the FM community is brilliantly self-correcting! ;) On Wed, Dec 18, 2019, 7:15 AM Lin Sims wrote: > I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! > > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
I take it back. You can do anything in Frame if you put your mind to it! Thank you for the information, Klaus. I may look into it. On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:15 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > On 17 Dec 2019 at 11:25, Lin Sims wrote: > > > For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. > If > > you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance. > > At the pre-Tekom *Adobe TC Partner Conference 2019* this November Jang > Graat showed me a script that does this: > Convert table footnotes to ordinary footnotes. > He is also currently developing Frexels: calculating in tables à la > Excel... > > Jang maintains a FrameMaker circus: «Make FrameMaker to jump through > hoops» ... > > Klaus > > ~ > Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 > Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch > CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch > > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
On 17 Dec 2019 at 11:25, Lin Sims wrote: > For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. If > you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance. At the pre-Tekom Adobe TC Partner Conference 2019 this November Jang Graat showed me a script that does this: Convert table footnotes to ordinary footnotes. He is also currently developing Frexels: calculating in tables à la Excel... Jang maintains a FrameMaker circus: «Make FrameMaker to jump through hoops» ... Klaus ~ Klaus Daube Phone: +41-44-381 37 77 Schäracher 11 Mail: kl...@daube.ch CH-8053 Zürich Web:www.daube.ch ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Almost anything. :) Some things I think the design of the program make impossible. For example, table footnotes are always at the *very end* of the table. If you have a multipage table, that can be a real nuisance. The only workaround is to put xrefs in the table to information in a footer row that is formatted to look like a footnote, but then you have all of the "footnotes" appearing on every page instead of only on the page where they're wanted. Maybe what's needed is a way to make table footnotes go to the bottom of the page like regular text footnotes instead of being part of the table structure, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they wouldn't be able to move with the table if edits changed its position. On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 10:39 AM Peter Gold wrote: > Just one more reason to believe that, in the right hands, FrameMaker can do > anything authors discover that they need it to do, and that the collective > community knowledge probably contains a solution! > > Thanks, Rick! > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 6:20 AM Rick Quatro wrote: > > > I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any > questions > > or comments are welcome. > > > > http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/ > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > r...@frameexpert.com > > 585-729-6746 > > www.frameexpert.com/store/ > > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Just one more reason to believe that, in the right hands, FrameMaker can do anything authors discover that they need it to do, and that the collective community knowledge probably contains a solution! Thanks, Rick! On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 6:20 AM Rick Quatro wrote: > I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any questions > or comments are welcome. > > http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/ > > Rick > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 > www.frameexpert.com/store/ > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
I posted a free script that will do this for you on my blog. Any questions or comments are welcome. http://frameautomation.com/automatic-backup-on-save/ Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 www.frameexpert.com/store/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Even with a script it would not be very user-friendly: The script had to change all the paths (graphics - textinsets - Xrefs..) So in case of emergency you couldn't just copy the backup and paste it in the original folder. You also had to use a script, that changes all the paths. Otherwise it would end up in a big mess. Am 16.12.2019 um 17:47 schrieb Fred Ridder: I don't believe this is possible, because the "Automatic backup on Save" feature dies not actually create a new file. All that feature does is change the extension on the last saved version of the file to add a .backup extension rather than flagging it to the OS as an unneeded file. The "backup" file does not include any of the changes that you have made in the current editing session, so IMO it is not really a backup. Maybe it's a *fallback* file, but to me a true backup is an extra copy of the *current* file. -FR From: Framers on behalf of John Posada Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 1:18 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them put in another folder. Possible? John Posada [cid:image002.png@01D5B0EE.AF667490]Technical Writer One Meadowlands Plaza, East Rutherford, NJ 07073 o: 201.528.2581 m: 732.259.2874 "Together we turn the world of travel into a world of opportunity by being the traveler's best friend" hudsongroup.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com -- Klaus Göbel (Development) __ 4XScripts - Ute Mitschke Münchenerstraße 35A D- 82362 Weilheim Germany Tel.: +49 881 12233116 +49 173 9439973 Mail: developm...@4xscripts.com https://4XScripts.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
I don't believe this is possible, because the "Automatic backup on Save" feature dies not actually create a new file. All that feature does is change the extension on the last saved version of the file to add a .backup extension rather than flagging it to the OS as an unneeded file. The "backup" file does not include any of the changes that you have made in the current editing session, so IMO it is not really a backup. Maybe it's a *fallback* file, but to me a true backup is an extra copy of the *current* file. -FR From: Framers on behalf of John Posada Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2019 1:18 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: [Framers] Backup in different folder? Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them put in another folder. Possible? John Posada [cid:image002.png@01D5B0EE.AF667490]Technical Writer One Meadowlands Plaza, East Rutherford, NJ 07073 o: 201.528.2581 m: 732.259.2874 "Together we turn the world of travel into a world of opportunity by being the traveler's best friend" hudsongroup.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 12:18 PM John Posada wrote: > Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them > put in another folder. Possible? > * What about a script that's triggered by autosave events? * Alternatively, a background script that writes a copy of a newly-saved file, like Acrobat's Watched Folder feature? p. > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Backup in different folder?
Nope. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 9:27 AM John Posada wrote: > Hi guys...FM19...I like having an auto backup on Save, but I'd like them > put in another folder. Possible? > > John Posada > [cid:image002.png@01D5B0EE.AF667490]Technical Writer > One Meadowlands Plaza, East Rutherford, NJ 07073 > o: 201.528.2581 m: 732.259.2874 > "Together we turn the world of travel into a world > of opportunity by being the traveler's best friend" > hudsongroup.com > > > > Disclaimer: The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not > the intended recipient, please destroy this message and notify the sender > immediately. Any disclosure, copying or distribution of this message may be > unlawful. There are risks in communicating by e-mail. E-mail may be > susceptible to data corruption, delay, interception and unauthorized > amendment and we do not accept liability for any such corruption, delay, > interception or amendment or their consequences. Anyone who communicates > with us by e-mail is taken to accept the risks in doing so. > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image001.wmz > Type: application/x-ms-wmz > Size: 34962 bytes > Desc: image001.wmz > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20191212/deaa9477/attachment.wmz > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image002.png > Type: image/png > Size: 1463 bytes > Desc: image002.png > URL: < > http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers-frameusers.com/attachments/20191212/deaa9477/attachment.png > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com