Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
Perfect!! A good outcome for all ... Z Update: So, I demonstrated to my client how/why I was using Framemaker versus Word and explained to them that they would be going down the same hellacious road that they hired me to rescue them from in the first place if they went back to Word and I also emphasized the exorbitant cost in having me convert everything to Word and miracles upon miracles, here is their response verbatim: " We have decided to skill up with framemaker, so no worries about the word versions." Score one for the gipper!!! I promised to leave them a very clean point and click template and provide a video of how to switch back and forth between the two conditions (SPG and Equations) which represent the two different guides!!! Now, I am going to drink heavily but this time to celebrate!!! Happy Holidays everyone!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:51 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a > word document" > > Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was > 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my > client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go > down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my > original > solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf > > Of Dennis Hays > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to > > a word document" > > > > > >That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file > >containing multiple .fm files? > >Dennis > > > >-- > >Dennis Hays > >Quantum Mechanic > >+1 518.779.2322 > > > >On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro > <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk> > >wrote: > >I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf > >to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than > >print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards > >Bjørn___This message > is > >from the Framers mailing listSend messages to > >framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at > >http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at > >http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe > >and unsubscribe at > >http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend > >administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > > 5297615.png] > > > > References > > > >1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail- > > https://us01.l.antigena.com/l/nQOpoNmkf9MGcqaP-~prwP4t-DmQSlSN9XzxzOuGhUzzKq7T-8ppVWeja1k6K8~XV4HRNjA-sgj~VzpU0Imw4Uhfd_eDf2wJcJJ9uD0mBrtP9tfdAW94naWd9kydRyqLHkLv_HNtkvpzTvDY0i > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > > frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > https://us01.l.antigena.com/l/nQOpoNmkf9MGcqaP-~prwP4t-DmQSlSN9XzxzOuGhUzzKq7T-8ppVWeja1k6K8~XV4HRNjA-sgj~VzpU0Imw4Uhfd_eDf2wJcJJ9uD0mBrtP9tfdAW94naWd9kydRyqLHkLv_HNtkvpzTvDY0i > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send a
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
A very professional approach, and it worked. Have one on me. Julie Sigrist Quality Assurance Associate Writer Airborne Maintenance & Engineering Services Cell 513-607-1444 145 Hunter Dr. l Wilmington, OH l 45177 www.airbornemx.com<http://www.airbornemx.com> [cid:image001.png@01DA327D.450BE840]<http://www.airbornemx.com/> From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 12:51 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document" Update: So, I demonstrated to my client how/why I was using Framemaker versus Word and explained to them that they would be going down the same hellacious road that they hired me to rescue them from in the first place if they went back to Word and I also emphasized the exorbitant cost in having me convert everything to Word and miracles upon miracles, here is their response verbatim: " We have decided to skill up with framemaker, so no worries about the word versions." Score one for the gipper!!! I promised to leave them a very clean point and click template and provide a video of how to switch back and forth between the two conditions (SPG and Equations) which represent the two different guides!!! Now, I am going to drink heavily but this time to celebrate!!! Happy Holidays everyone!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>> > On Behalf > Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:51 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a > word document" > > Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was > 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my > client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go > down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my > original > solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>> > > On > Behalf > > Of Dennis Hays > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to > > a word document" > > > > > > That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file > > containing multiple .fm files? > > Dennis > > > > -- > > Dennis Hays > > Quantum Mechanic > > +1 518.779.2322 > > > > On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro > <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk<mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk>> > > wrote: > > I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf > > to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than > > print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best<http://kept.Best> regards > > Bjørn___This message > is > > from the Framers mailing listSend messages to > > framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit> > > the list's homepage at > > http://www.frameusers.comArchives<http://www.frameusers.comArchives> > > located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe> > > and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend> > > administrative questions to > > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> > > > > > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > > 5297615.png] > > > > References > > > > 1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Sen
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
Update: So, I demonstrated to my client how/why I was using Framemaker versus Word and explained to them that they would be going down the same hellacious road that they hired me to rescue them from in the first place if they went back to Word and I also emphasized the exorbitant cost in having me convert everything to Word and miracles upon miracles, here is their response verbatim: " We have decided to skill up with framemaker, so no worries about the word versions." Score one for the gipper!!! I promised to leave them a very clean point and click template and provide a video of how to switch back and forth between the two conditions (SPG and Equations) which represent the two different guides!!! Now, I am going to drink heavily but this time to celebrate!!! Happy Holidays everyone!! TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Tammy Van Boening > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 8:51 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a > word document" > > Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was > 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my > client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go > down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my > original > solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. > > TVB > > Tammy Van Boening > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > www.spectrumwritingllc.com > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf > > Of Dennis Hays > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to > > a word document" > > > > > >That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file > >containing multiple .fm files? > >Dennis > > > >-- > >Dennis Hays > >Quantum Mechanic > >+1 518.779.2322 > > > >On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro > <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk> > >wrote: > >I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf > >to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than > >print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards > >Bjørn___This message > is > >from the Framers mailing listSend messages to > >framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at > >http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at > >http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe > >and unsubscribe at > >http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend > >administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > > 5297615.png] > > > > References > > > >1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail- archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > > frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
I agree with Alison. I also use a FRAME > PDF > WORD option so personnel can edit the docs. They prefer to use something other than the comment capabilities of Acrobat. Usually, the conversion is relatively good, but I find many issues when scientific/mathematical symbols are used. It can get quite ugly. Your client has yet to deal with long documents like this in Word. "Drink heavily and then run away" also sounds like a good option. Julie Sigrist 513-607-1444 From: Framers On Behalf Of acr...@shaw.ca Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:55 PM To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document" I've been using the FRAME > PDF > WORD option a lot lately (50-150 page docs) so the engineers can do their editing and commenting in the Word doc. But I always preface my explanation to them with the caveat... "this creates an incredibly ugly Word file". If you do the test run on 20 pages or so (pick complex pages) and do a truly honest quote, I can't imagine why the client would want to continue. But " drink heavily and then run away" is a really good option as well. :-) Alison -Original Message- From: Framers mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=shaw...@lists.frameusers.com>> On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: December 13, 2023 7:51 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>> Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document" Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my original solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com<http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com> > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com>> > On Behalf > Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to > a word document" > > > That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file > containing multiple .fm files? > Dennis > > -- > Dennis Hays > Quantum Mechanic > +1 518.779.2322 > > On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro > <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk<mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk>> > wrote: > I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf > to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than > print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best<http://kept.Best> regards > Bj rn___This message is > from the Framers mailing listSend messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit> > the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.comArchives<http://www.frameusers.comArchives> located > at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe<http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe> > and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend> > administrative questions to > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > 5297615.png] > > References > > 1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to > framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Visit the > list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com<http://www.frameusers.com> Archives > located at > http://www.mail-<http://www.mail-> > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/<http://archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com> > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-<http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-> > frameusers.com<http://frameusers.com> > Send administrative questions to > listad...@frameusers.com<mailto:listad...@frameusers.com> ___ This message is from the Fra
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
I've been using the FRAME > PDF > WORD option a lot lately (50-150 page docs) so the engineers can do their editing and commenting in the Word doc. But I always preface my explanation to them with the caveat... "this creates an incredibly ugly Word file". If you do the test run on 20 pages or so (pick complex pages) and do a truly honest quote, I can't imagine why the client would want to continue. But " drink heavily and then run away" is a really good option as well. :-) Alison -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening Sent: December 13, 2023 7:51 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document" Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my original solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to > a word document" > > >That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file >containing multiple .fm files? >Dennis > >-- >Dennis Hays >Quantum Mechanic >+1 518.779.2322 > >On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk> >wrote: >I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf >to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than >print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards >Bj rn___This message is >from the Framers mailing listSend messages to >framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at >http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at >http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe >and unsubscribe at >http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend >administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > 5297615.png] > > References > >1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail- archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
Thanks everyone for all the responses. Despite the "death knell" tone, I was 99.9% sure that that was going to be the case. Sigh. I need to reach out to my client and set the expectations and let them decide how badly they want to go down the rabbit hole - and it won't be cheap. I am still sticking with my original solution which is to drink heavily and then run away. TVB Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -Original Message- > From: Framers bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc@lists.frameusers.com> On Behalf > Of Dennis Hays > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2023 5:29 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a > word document" > > >That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file >containing multiple .fm files? >Dennis > >-- >Dennis Hays >Quantum Mechanic >+1 518.779.2322 > >On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk> >wrote: >I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf >to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than >print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards >Bjørn___This message is >from the Framers mailing listSend messages to >framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at >http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at >http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe >and unsubscribe at >http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend >administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B65 > 5297615.png] > > References > >1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at > http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail- > archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers- > frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Regarding "Converting a frame maker document to a word document"
That may be useful for single files, but what about a book file containing multiple .fm files? Dennis -- Dennis Hays Quantum Mechanic +1 518.779.2322 On Tuesday, Dec 12, 2023 at 4:33 PM, B. Smalbro <[1]stu...@smalbro.dk> wrote: I would suggest saving the fm document to pdf. And then export the pdf to WordIt is important to use the Save As feature from FM rather than print. Gives a pdf where text flows are kept.Best regards Bjørn___This message is from the Framers mailing listSend messages to framers@lists.frameusers.comVisit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.comArchives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com [66F8592229221498463ACC738E629823_8B6E2B8286A457EF517A95B655297615.png] References 1. mailto:stu...@smalbro.dk ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
