Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
In Edit > Update References... what's turned on/off? Art On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > It seems that at some point in time someone had mentioned setting up a TOC > at the first of a chapter as a text inset so that it would auto-update when > you generate the FM book file. (Maybe I'm dreaming...) > > Well, I have come upon a situation where I could use that to track the > chapter contents list as well as a quick-reference guide to the tables for > various configurations in a chapter. However, I can't seem to get it to work > properly. > > I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant chapter using the > desired subheadings, saved that file in with my other text insets and > Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it doesn't update when I update the text insets. > Same problem with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At least the > failure is consistent. :-\ > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, Rene L. Stephenson > > > > > ___ > > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
At 09:57 -0700 23/4/08, Rene Stephenson wrote: >It seems that at some point in time someone had mentioned setting up a TOC at >the first of a chapter as a text inset so that it would auto-update when you >generate the FM book file. (Maybe I'm dreaming...) It might have been me. But it doesn't auto-update in the sense that I think you might mean: you have to rebuild the chapter-level TOC/LOF/whatever manually for any changes in the chapter. The insert can auto-update, of course. >Well, I have come upon a situation where I could use that to track the chapter >contents list as well as a quick-reference guide to the tables for various >configurations in a chapter. However, I can't seem to get it to work properly. > >I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant chapter using the >desired subheadings, saved that file in with my other text insets and >Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it doesn't update when I update the text insets. >Same problem with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At least the >failure is consistent. :-\ > >What am I doing wrong? See above. Also see Art's comment: you have to set the preferences for the insert to Automatic in the 'Import Text File by Reference' dialog. To get this, double-click on the inserted file and then choose 'Settings'. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Nothing... all options are checked. Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:05:17 PM Subject: Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset? In Edit > Update References... what's turned on/off? Art On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > It seems that at some point in time someone had mentioned setting up a TOC > at the first of a chapter as a text inset so that it would auto-update when > you generate the FM book file. (Maybe I'm dreaming...) > > Well, I have come upon a situation where I could use that to track the > chapter contents list as well as a quick-reference guide to the tables for > various configurations in a chapter. However, I can't seem to get it to work > properly. > > I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant chapter using the > desired subheadings, saved that file in with my other text insets and > Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it doesn't update when I update the text insets. > Same problem with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At least the > failure is consistent. :-\ > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, Rene L. Stephenson > > > > > ___ > > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Yeah, I think it was you, Steve. Maybe this is something I should approach with FrameScript? What if I built a pre-publication file management book for this project and put all the chapter-level generated files for the various books in it, updated that book, and then updated the publication book with all the update settings turned on? Would that work? I'm trying to cut down on the time required to verify that all the "in this chapter" type of lists are updated. Having to check it manually for every chapter when there are hundreds of pages in each book and dozens of books due at production is just too time-consuming. Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Steve Rickaby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:13:08 PM Subject: Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset? At 09:57 -0700 23/4/08, Rene Stephenson wrote: >It seems that at some point in time someone had mentioned setting up a TOC at >the first of a chapter as a text inset so that it would auto-update when you >generate the FM book file. (Maybe I'm dreaming...) It might have been me. But it doesn't auto-update in the sense that I think you might mean: you have to rebuild the chapter-level TOC/LOF/whatever manually for any changes in the chapter. The insert can auto-update, of course. >Well, I have come upon a situation where I could use that to track the chapter >contents list as well as a quick-reference guide to the tables for various >configurations in a chapter. However, I can't seem to get it to work properly. > >I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant chapter using the >desired subheadings, saved that file in with my other text insets and >Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it doesn't update when I update the text insets. >Same problem with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At least the >failure is consistent. :-\ > >What am I doing wrong? See above. Also see Art's comment: you have to set the preferences for the insert to Automatic in the 'Import Text File by Reference' dialog. To get this, double-click on the inserted file and then choose 'Settings'. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Rene, While this two-phase approach will work without a problem, if you want to achieve the level of automation you're talking about, I think one of Rick Quatro's prepared scripts, ChapterTOC, is what you want actually want. It inserts the TOC entries as cross-references at whatever point in the parent file you select and updates them when you rerun the script. $40, I think, and you need to have FrameScript... http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm You (or Rick) could probably hack it for the LOT. Art On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I think it was you, Steve. Maybe this is something I should approach > with FrameScript? > > What if I built a pre-publication file management book for this project and > put all the chapter-level generated files for the various books in it, > updated that book, and then updated the publication book with all the update > settings turned on? Would that work? > > I'm trying to cut down on the time required to verify that all the "in this > chapter" type of lists are updated. Having to check it manually for every > chapter when there are hundreds of pages in each book and dozens of books due > at production is just too time-consuming. > > > Rene L. Stephenson > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
At 10:25 -0700 23/4/08, Rene Stephenson wrote: >Yeah, I think it was you, Steve. Maybe this is something I should approach >with FrameScript? Well, I've not used FrameScript, but my feeling is that it would be overkill unless you need a high level of automation. All it would save you is the need to leaf through the chapters and select, say, Special -> Table of Contents for each one. Once FrameMaker has built a chapter-level TOC for you, it remembers the TOC settings in the same way as it does for book-level TOCs - or any other generated list. You should do this, of course, *before* generating the book-level lists, because an increase in the length of, say, a chapter-level TOC can throw pagination forwards. >What if I built a pre-publication file management book for this project and >put all the chapter-level generated files for the various books in it, updated >that book, and then updated the publication book with all the update settings >turned on? Would that work? Wow. Er... no :-( But it might be an interesting experiment ;-) Basically you are taking FrameMaker outside its envelope: it only deals with one level of book-level generated files, and you want to add a second level. If you try what you suggest, ask yourself what you would be trying to achieve by updating the book of generated files? That process would only make sense if you were generating further files *from* the generated files to go into the file management book. It sort of makes my head hurt. Put another way, FrameMaker cannot create a chapter-level TOC for you unless you have that chapter open. There is probably some useful exploratory work to be done in messing with book-level organisation, ur-books and so on, but I don't think it will solve this immediate problem. >I'm trying to cut down on the time required to verify that all the "in this >chapter" type of lists are updated. Having to check it manually for every >chapter when there are hundreds of pages in each book and dozens of books due >at production is just too time-consuming. Ok, then you have just answered my first point: you would benefit from FrameScripting it. I can't help you there, though, but there are folks here who can. According to Art, Rick's already written one, so there you go ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Okay, great! I have FS and have bought several scripts from Rick, always with great satisfaction. Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Framers Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:46:16 PM Subject: Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset? Rene, While this two-phase approach will work without a problem, if you want to achieve the level of automation you're talking about, I think one of Rick Quatro's prepared scripts, ChapterTOC, is what you want actually want. It inserts the TOC entries as cross-references at whatever point in the parent file you select and updates them when you rerun the script. $40, I think, and you need to have FrameScript... http://www.frameexpert.com/scripts/chaptertoc.htm You (or Rick) could probably hack it for the LOT. Art On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I think it was you, Steve. Maybe this is something I should approach > with FrameScript? > > What if I built a pre-publication file management book for this project and > put all the chapter-level generated files for the various books in it, > updated that book, and then updated the publication book with all the update > settings turned on? Would that work? > > I'm trying to cut down on the time required to verify that all the "in this > chapter" type of lists are updated. Having to check it manually for every > chapter when there are hundreds of pages in each book and dozens of books due > at production is just too time-consuming. > > > Rene L. Stephenson > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Rene Stephenson wrote: > I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant > chapter using the desired subheadings, saved that file in > with my other text insets and Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it > doesn't update when I update the text insets. Same problem > with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At least the > failure is consistent. :-\ I used to have some books in which the book-level generated lists (TOC, LOF, and LOT) were text insets in a container front-matter file. My experience with that may or may not be applicable in your situation. It always took two book updates to update the generated lists. That was because when you generated/updated the book, FM updated the text insets first, and then updated the generated lists. So I had to update a second time to replace the text insets with the newly generated versions. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Richard, In that instance, weren't the TOC/LOF/LOT reading all the FM files in the book for one TOC, one LOF, and one LOT at the book level front matter? Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: "Combs, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I used to have some books in which the book-level generated lists (TOC, LOF, and LOT) were text insets in a container front-matter file. My experience with that may or may not be applicable in your situation. HTH! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Rene Stephenson wrote: > Richard, > In that instance, weren't the TOC/LOF/LOT reading all the FM > files in the book for one TOC, one LOF, and one LOT at the > book level front matter? Well, yes -- but that's neither here nor there. My point was that the order in which FM processes updates might be relevant even for a standalone chapter TOC. If the text inset in the chapter gets updated first, and the source file for the text inset is regenerated afterward, then the chapter won't have the latest until its text inset is updated a second time. I've never used standalone chapter TOCs, so I don't know how/when they get regenerated. Does doing a book update/generate also regenerate the chapter TOCs, or do you have to do those manually for each chapter? If the latter, I'd definitely look into a scripted solution. :-) But, assuming you do things in the right order (regenerate TOC first, then update text inset) my point isn't applicable. If the former, I think you need a second update to get the new version of the text inset source. Come to think of it, if a change in the chapter TOC's length could change the chapter's pagination, you need a second generate/update cycle in either case. I'm glad I don't do chapter TOCs. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
Gotcha. :-) Rene L. Stephenson - Original Message From: "Combs, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:32:24 PM Subject: RE: List of... or Index of... as a text inset? Rene Stephenson wrote: > Richard, > In that instance, weren't the TOC/LOF/LOT reading all the FM > files in the book for one TOC, one LOF, and one LOT at the > book level front matter? Well, yes -- but that's neither here nor there. My point was that the order in which FM processes updates might be relevant even for a standalone chapter TOC. If the text inset in the chapter gets updated first, and the source file for the text inset is regenerated afterward, then the chapter won't have the latest until its text inset is updated a second time. I've never used standalone chapter TOCs, so I don't know how/when they get regenerated. Does doing a book update/generate also regenerate the chapter TOCs, or do you have to do those manually for each chapter? If the latter, I'd definitely look into a scripted solution. :-) But, assuming you do things in the right order (regenerate TOC first, then update text inset) my point isn't applicable. If the former, I think you need a second update to get the new version of the text inset source. Come to think of it, if a change in the chapter TOC's length could change the chapter's pagination, you need a second generate/update cycle in either case. I'm glad I don't do chapter TOCs. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: List of... or Index of... as a text inset?
On 23 Apr 2008 at 9:57, Rene Stephenson wrote: > It seems that at some point in time someone had mentioned setting up a TOC > at the first of a chapter as a text inset so that it would auto-update > when you generate the FM book file. (Maybe I'm dreaming...) > > Well, I have come upon a situation where I could use that to track the > chapter contents list as well as a quick-reference guide to the tables for > various configurations in a chapter. However, I can't seem to get it to > work properly. > > I tried creating the "standalone" TOC for the relevant chapter using the > desired subheadings, saved that file in with my other text insets and > Alt-F,I,F (by reference) and it doesn't update when I update the text > insets. Same problem with the chapter LOT that I set up the same way. At > least the failure is consistent. :-\ Rene, Yes, the updating calls for discipline fromt the user side - and hence I was happy to get the itl script DocToc. See http://www.itl.eu/156.html?&L=1 This script is powerful, but not free. Klaus Daube Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper Phone: +41-44-422 86 25 FAX: +41-44-422 82 78 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.daube.ch/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
