Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: When using Sideheads, I found that if the table widths are relatively small, table titles do not go into the sideheads. Somebody once sent me a solution, which I find myself unable to do again in a new document I am working on. This solution, as I recall, was to create a new paragraph format, which was over the Sidehead area, but had *negative* before pgf and after pgf settings to help eliminate the extra spaces to the previous body paragraphs. So, I redid a new format called, not surprisingly, Table Anchor, where I place the table. The font for this is set to 2 pts too. I can get the table to go into the sidehead doing the above, BUT the extra space does not go away (although it is less than before due to the font size) - remains the same as if I had left the space setting at 0! Any hints as to how to fix this extra space problem? I'm a little confused by your references to sideheads, and I'm not sure whether you want your table title in the sidehead or not... But in any case, the little trick involving negative spacing is this: In your dedicated and otherwise empty anchoring pgf, set the font to any convenient size (does not have to be 2pt, which can make the pgf hard to select) and set the Space Below to a negative number *with an absolute value greater than the font size*. In the table designer, set the Space Above to the same negative value. E.g., TableAnchor pgf tag: font 10pt, Space Below -12pt Table tag: Space Above -12pt You may also find it useful to set a unique colour for the TableAnchor pgf tag, so that the pilcrow is easy to identify when text symbols are visible. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Cat's haiku: My brain: walnut-sized. Yours: largest among primates. Yet, who leaves for work? Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
Hi, Stuart Stuart Rogers wrote: Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: When using Sideheads, I found that if the table widths are relatively small, table titles do not go into the sideheads. Somebody once sent me a solution, which I find myself unable to do again in a new document I am working on. This solution, as I recall, was to create a new paragraph format, which was over the Sidehead area, but had *negative* before pgf and after pgf settings to help eliminate the extra spaces to the previous body paragraphs. So, I redid a new format called, not surprisingly, Table Anchor, where I place the table. The font for this is set to 2 pts too. I can get the table to go into the sidehead doing the above, BUT the extra space does not go away (although it is less than before due to the font size) - remains the same as if I had left the space setting at 0! Any hints as to how to fix this extra space problem? I'm a little confused by your references to sideheads, and I'm not sure whether you want your table title in the sidehead or not... Yes, the title goes into the sidehead, but the actual table left edge is at the left edge of the body column. WithOUT the anchor in the sidehead, if the total table width is too small, the title ended up in the body and the table edge ended up inside the body. But, with the anchor in the sidehead, this seems to work correctly! It is just the extra space problem I am left dealing with. But in any case, the little trick involving negative spacing is this: In your dedicated and otherwise empty anchoring pgf, set the font to any convenient size (does not have to be 2pt, which can make the pgf hard to select) and set the Space Below to a negative number *with an absolute value greater than the font size*. In the table designer, set the Space Above to the same negative value. E.g., TableAnchor pgf tag: font 10pt, Space Below -12pt Table tag: Space Above -12pt Hmmm ... this is just about what I did, I think. My TableAnchor pgf font is set to 2pt, pgf space below and pgf above is set to -14 pt, and it still has more space than when the space above and below is set to +12pt, and the anchor is on the previous para (rather than in a special TableAnchor paragraph). Am I overlooking something? You may also find it useful to set a unique colour for the TableAnchor pgf tag, so that the pilcrow is easy to identify when text symbols are visible. Ah! I do keep my text symbols on, as I find it useful. This color suggestion will make it easier. Thanks! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: Hi, Stuart Stuart Rogers wrote: Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: When using Sideheads, I found that if the table widths are relatively small, table titles do not go into the sideheads. Somebody once sent me a solution, which I find myself unable to do again in a new document I am working on. This solution, as I recall, was to create a new paragraph format, which was over the Sidehead area, but had *negative* before pgf and after pgf settings to help eliminate the extra spaces to the previous body paragraphs. So, I redid a new format called, not surprisingly, Table Anchor, where I place the table. The font for this is set to 2 pts too. I can get the table to go into the sidehead doing the above, BUT the extra space does not go away (although it is less than before due to the font size) - remains the same as if I had left the space setting at 0! Any hints as to how to fix this extra space problem? I'm a little confused by your references to sideheads, and I'm not sure whether you want your table title in the sidehead or not... Yes, the title goes into the sidehead, but the actual table left edge is at the left edge of the body column. WithOUT the anchor in the sidehead, if the total table width is too small, the title ended up in the body and the table edge ended up inside the body. But, with the anchor in the sidehead, this seems to work correctly! It is just the extra space problem I am left dealing with. But in any case, the little trick involving negative spacing is this: In your dedicated and otherwise empty anchoring pgf, set the font to any convenient size (does not have to be 2pt, which can make the pgf hard to select) and set the Space Below to a negative number *with an absolute value greater than the font size*. In the table designer, set the Space Above to the same negative value. E.g., TableAnchor pgf tag: font 10pt, Space Below -12pt Table tag: Space Above -12pt Hmmm ... this is just about what I did, I think. My TableAnchor pgf font is set to 2pt, pgf space below and pgf above is set to -14 pt, and it still has more space than when the space above and below is set to +12pt, and the anchor is on the previous para (rather than in a special TableAnchor paragraph). Am I overlooking something? Ah! I figured out my mistake in this first response!!! I had forgotten to set the TABLE space above ... not the PGF table space item. Thanks very much!!! You may also find it useful to set a unique colour for the TableAnchor pgf tag, so that the pilcrow is easy to identify when text symbols are visible. Ah! I do keep my text symbols on, as I find it useful. This color suggestion will make it easier. Thanks! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: You may also find it useful to set a unique colour for the TableAnchor pgf tag, so that the pilcrow is easy to identify when text symbols are visible. Ah! I do keep my text symbols on, as I find it useful. This color suggestion will make it easier. Thanks! One more thing. I also set the paragraph alignment to Center, rather than the left. This makes the text symbol be in the center of the page for that Anchor. Makes it even easier to see that color symbol now! Thanks again, Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Table anchors and extra spaces in sideheads ...
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:36:55 -0700, Syed Zaeem Hosain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the extra space does not go away (although it is less than before due to the font size) - remains the same as if I had left the space setting at 0! Any hints as to how to fix this extra space problem? Remember, in Frame the space between two paras is the *greater* of the space below the top one and the space above the bottom one, unlike Word, where it's the sum. So if you have negative space below, but the next para has zero space above, you get zero. You need to make the next para's space above negative too, the same as the space below the upper para, to get the overlap. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
