Re: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-24 Thread Klaus Daube 
On 23 Nov 2009 at 4:44, Chris Despopoulos wrote:

 Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book?  Don't you get all the
 document file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document
 file is a slit of a page?  (Or am I suffering hallucinations?) 

Chris,
my books open as expected: the documents are presented with the tabs in 
a row.

But I can imagine that start conditions are critical: I was completely 
confused by the result of clicking on the maximise button (top right) 
of an undocked document.

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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-24 Thread Klaus Daube 
On 23 Nov 2009 at 4:44, Chris Despopoulos wrote:

> Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book?  Don't you get all the
> document file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document
> file is a slit of a page?  (Or am I suffering hallucinations?) 

Chris,
my books open as expected: the documents are presented with the tabs in 
a row.

But I can imagine that start conditions are critical: I was completely 
confused by the result of clicking on the maximise button (top right) 
of an undocked document.

Klaus Daube 
~~
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Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
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Re: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-23 Thread Chris Despopoulos 
Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book?  Don't you get all the document 
file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document file is a 
slit of a page?  (Or am I suffering hallucinations?)  Doesn't anybody find that 
a problem?  Basically, it seems the new windowing paradigm isn't completely 
under control.  Are there plans to address that?  And are there plans to expose 
it in the API?


  
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Re: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-23 Thread Huntley Eshenroder 
It seems to work for me. All of the files open and tabbed across the
top. Are you up-to-date on patches?

-Huntley



On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Chris Despopoulos
despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book?  Don't you get all the document 
 file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document file is a 
 slit of a page?  (Or am I suffering hallucinations?)  Doesn't anybody find 
 that a problem?  Basically, it seems the new windowing paradigm isn't 
 completely under control.  Are there plans to address that?  And are there 
 plans to expose it in the API?
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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-23 Thread Chris Despopoulos 
Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book?  Don't you get all the document 
file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document file is a 
slit of a page?  (Or am I suffering hallucinations?)  Doesn't anybody find that 
a problem?  Basically, it seems the new windowing paradigm isn't completely 
under control.  Are there plans to address that?  And are there plans to expose 
it in the API?

With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-23 Thread Huntley Eshenroder 
It seems to work for me. All of the files open and tabbed across the
top. Are you up-to-date on patches?

-Huntley



On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Chris Despopoulos
 wrote:
> Has *anybody* tried Open All Files in Book? ?Don't you get all the document 
> file windows nested within each other such that the 10th document file is a 
> slit of a page? ?(Or am I suffering hallucinations?) ?Doesn't anybody find 
> that a problem? ?Basically, it seems the new windowing paradigm isn't 
> completely under control. ?Are there plans to address that? ?And are there 
> plans to expose it in the API?

With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.

 

I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the in-between version - just the lists please. 

 

Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?

 

Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!

 

TGIF!!!

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

i...@spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread rinch 
I think the new interface is awesome. Much easier to use. Much faster. 
Much more intuitive. I'm not having any of the problems you describe. I 
run dual screens. Now, I can have all my pods, lists, etcetera in the 
right screen, and have the whole book and doc displayed in my center 
screen. I'd hate to go back to the antiquated days. FM6 seems cumbersome 
now. True, I'd make a few changes to make dual screens even nicer. But, 
all 'n all, I think Adobe did an outstanding job with the new FM9 
interface.

Richard
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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) 
You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



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Publishing Smarter

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-Original Message-
From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.

 

I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the in-between version - just the lists please. 

 

Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?

 

Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!

 

TGIF!!!

 

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

i...@spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Art Campbell 
When you have a file open, on the upper right corner of the screen by the
min/max/close icons, don't you have a pull-down menu? Probably says Default?

If you do, just set up your workspace the way you want it, pull down the
menu and select Save Workspace

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Spectrum Writing 
i...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

  The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is
 just mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has
 to be open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which is a
 feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it might
 be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
 designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
 of tags, etc.



 I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
 shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was just
 inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
 get the in-between version - just the lists please.



 Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of the two
 most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
 Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we give
 you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



 Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
 a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
 aspirin!



 TGIF!!!







 Tammy Van Boening

 Owner/Principal

 Spectrum Writing, LLC

 www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 i...@spectrumwritingllc.com



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RE: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Jon Harvey 
And don't forget about the 'Reset Workspace' option just in case
things get out of hand.

 
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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel
the love or embrace this FM9 interface

When you have a file open, on the upper right corner of the screen by
the
min/max/close icons, don't you have a pull-down menu? Probably says
Default?

If you do, just set up your workspace the way you want it, pull down the
menu and select Save Workspace

Art Campbell
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 ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a
redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Spectrum Writing 
i...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

  The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up
is
 just mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the
pod has
 to be open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which
is a
 feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it
might
 be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the
paragraph
 designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a
list
 of tags, etc.



 I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that
is
 shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was
just
 inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way
to
 get the in-between version - just the lists please.



 Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of
the two
 most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
 Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we
give
 you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



 Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using
it for
 a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a
handful of
 aspirin!



 TGIF!!!







 Tammy Van Boening

 Owner/Principal

 Spectrum Writing, LLC

 www.spectrumwritingllc.com

 i...@spectrumwritingllc.com



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RE: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
Bernard,

Thanks. Your statement: 

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

is right on the money. I get them set and then boom, after a few times, it
all goes away and I start all over with the all or nothing.

I will definitely check out your book and tutorial. I know it will help.

TVB

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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:58 AM
To: 'Spectrum Writing'; framers@lists.frameusers.com; 'Free Framers'
Subject: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace
this FM9 interface

You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



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President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 


-Original Message-
From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can iconize the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as antiquated as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.

 

I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the completely open or iconized version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the in-between version - just the lists please. 

 

Has anyone figured out a way to get this in-between appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily we are like Microsoft approach - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?

 

Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!

 

TGIF!!!

 

 

 

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Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

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RE: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
Thanks to all of the onlist and offlist replies. What I found pretty
consistently is the inconsistency with which users out there have had
success. An approach that one user mentioned offlist did not work for
another offlist responder.  The common thread seems to be I am supposed to
be able to get it to work this way and I can or I am supposed to get it to
work this way and I can't.

What Bernard mentioned in his onlist post:  Note that at times you will
apply one (like your own) and then still have to go and reset it as well. If
I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll let people know.

is the major issue for me. I have the catalogs open for paragraph and
character and the panels docked in the order that I want them docked, and
the catalogs just don't want to seem to stay open. I constantly have to
reset my workspace and why this is an issue, I don't know. Two users offlist
indicated that they had no problems with this and two indicated that they
did.

That is why I was referring to the all or nothing issue.  I can keep my
panels docked and iconized and open them when I need to get to the catalogs
or I can keep hoping that my workspace with the open catalogs eventually
decide to hang around.

I DO have dual monitors and they are both widescreen (to deal with all the
caca as Kelly stated - LOL!) but it's just more overhead than I like to
deal with, but I know that I don't have a choice.

Thanks all -  these lists are invaluable and they really provide insight and
support.

TGIF!

Tammy Van Boening
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RE: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread RJ Jacquez 
Hi Tammy, love the email subject, and no apologies needed :)

Not really sure why you are seeing inconsistencies, but one thing to remember 
is that regardless of whether the designers are shown/hidded or 
docked/undocked, the keyboard shortcuts always work and this is something I 
continue to use in FM9, namely:

Paragraph Designer = Ctrl+M
Character Designer = Ctrl+D
Table Designer = Ctrl + T

Also, sometimes when I need a bit more real estate, I'll even hide the entire 
UI (click the UI Visibility icon at top) and then use the keyboard shortcuts 
above to just bring up these pods.

Having said that, I'm happy to see that many people continue to feel more 
comfortable with the new FM9 UI as it is our goal at Adobe to standardize all 
of our apps on this same UI model as we move forward.

This includes the upcoming Captivate for Mac, for which I recently posted a 
sneak peek here in case you are interested in seeing: 
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez/2009/11/a_sneak_peek_of_adobe_captivat.html 

Sincerely,

RJ Jácquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Suite
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez


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Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:39 AM
To: 'Spectrum Writing'; 'Free Framers'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace 
this FM9 interface

Thanks to all of the onlist and offlist replies. What I found pretty
consistently is the inconsistency with which users out there have had
success. An approach that one user mentioned offlist did not work for
another offlist responder.  The common thread seems to be I am supposed to
be able to get it to work this way and I can or I am supposed to get it to
work this way and I can't.

What Bernard mentioned in his onlist post:  Note that at times you will
apply one (like your own) and then still have to go and reset it as well. If
I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll let people know.

is the major issue for me. I have the catalogs open for paragraph and
character and the panels docked in the order that I want them docked, and
the catalogs just don't want to seem to stay open. I constantly have to
reset my workspace and why this is an issue, I don't know. Two users offlist
indicated that they had no problems with this and two indicated that they
did.

That is why I was referring to the all or nothing issue.  I can keep my
panels docked and iconized and open them when I need to get to the catalogs
or I can keep hoping that my workspace with the open catalogs eventually
decide to hang around.

I DO have dual monitors and they are both widescreen (to deal with all the
caca as Kelly stated - LOL!) but it's just more overhead than I like to
deal with, but I know that I don't have a choice.

Thanks all -  these lists are invaluable and they really provide insight and
support.

TGIF!

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
i...@spectrumwritingllc.com



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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.



I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the "in-between" version - just the lists please. 



Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!



TGIF!!!







Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

info at spectrumwritingllc.com

With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread ri...@inficon.com 
I think the new interface is awesome. Much easier to use. Much faster. 
Much more intuitive. I'm not having any of the problems you describe. I 
run dual screens. Now, I can have all my pods, lists, etcetera in the 
right screen, and have the whole book and doc displayed in my center 
screen. I'd hate to go back to the "antiquated" days. FM6 seems cumbersome 
now. True, I'd make a few changes to make dual screens even nicer. But, 
all 'n all, I think Adobe did an outstanding job with the new FM9 
interface.

Richard

With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter) 
You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



Bernard Aschwanden
President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 


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From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.



I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the "in-between" version - just the lists please. 



Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!



TGIF!!!







Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

info at spectrumwritingllc.com



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[Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Art Campbell 
When you have a file open, on the upper right corner of the screen by the
min/max/close icons, don't you have a pull-down menu? Probably says Default?

If you do, just set up your workspace the way you want it, pull down the
menu and select Save Workspace

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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Spectrum Writing <
info at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

>  The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is
> just mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has
> to be open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which is a
> feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it might
> be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
> designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
> of tags, etc.
>
>
>
> I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
> shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was just
> inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
> get the "in-between" version - just the lists please.
>
>
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of the two
> most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
> Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we give
> you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?
>
>
>
> Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
> a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
> aspirin!
>
>
>
> TGIF!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Owner/Principal
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
> info at spectrumwritingllc.com
>
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2009-11-20 Thread Jon Harvey 
And don't forget about the 'Reset Workspace' option just in case
things get out of hand.


Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop Documentation
CambridgeSoft Corporation
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:01 AM
To: Spectrum Writing
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel
the love or embrace this FM9 interface

When you have a file open, on the upper right corner of the screen by
the
min/max/close icons, don't you have a pull-down menu? Probably says
Default?

If you do, just set up your workspace the way you want it, pull down the
menu and select Save Workspace

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers
apply.
  DoD 358


On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Spectrum Writing <
info at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

>  The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up
is
> just mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the
pod has
> to be open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which
is a
> feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it
might
> be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the
paragraph
> designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a
list
> of tags, etc.
>
>
>
> I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that
is
> shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was
just
> inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way
to
> get the "in-between" version - just the lists please.
>
>
>
> Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of
the two
> most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
> Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we
give
> you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?
>
>
>
> Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using
it for
> a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a
handful of
> aspirin!
>
>
>
> TGIF!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
>
> Owner/Principal
>
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
>
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
>
> info at spectrumwritingllc.com
>
>
>
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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
Bernard,

Thanks. Your statement: 

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

is right on the money. I get them set and then boom, after a few times, it
all goes away and I start all over with the all or nothing.

I will definitely check out your book and tutorial. I know it will help.

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
info at spectrumwritingllc.com


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From: Bernard Aschwanden (Publishing Smarter)
[mailto:bernard at publishingsmarter.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 7:58 AM
To: 'Spectrum Writing'; framers at lists.frameusers.com; 'Free Framers'
Subject: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace
this FM9 interface

You can take the pods and rip them free from the interface, float and size
them, and then save the settings. There are things that can be done to
improve the interface, but this approach may help.

Basically just set up the interface the way you want it, then go up to the
top right where you see the various names for the predefined configurations.
Click and go to save your own.

Note that at times you will apply one (like your own) and then still have to
go and reset it as well. If I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll
let people know.

I do have some free info at http://www.publishingsmarter.com under the
References section that may help. Check the book on DITA and FrameMaker. In
it, the first chapter (and the associated tutorial) has you do some
configuration. Hopefully that helps.

Bernard



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President
Publishing Smarter

www.publishingsmarter.com 


-Original Message-
From: Spectrum Writing [mailto:i...@spectrumwritingllc.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:35 AM
To: Free Framers Subscriber
Subject: [Free Framers] With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the
love or embrace this FM9 interface

The horrendous amount of real estate that these blasted pods take up is just
mind-boggling and it appears to be all or nothing.  Either the pod has to be
open all the way or you can "iconize" the view, neither of which is a
feasible solution. The interface I would like, as "antiquated" as it might
be is one that mimics ghosts of FM past - you know, having the paragraph
designer open as a list of the tags, the character designer open as a list
of tags, etc.



I have watched RJ's video on customizing the workspace, and all that is
shown is the "completely open" or "iconized" version. Unless it was just
inadvertently left out of the presentation, there appears to be no way to
get the "in-between" version - just the lists please. 



Has anyone figured out a way to get this "in-between" appearance of the two
most basic pods - paragraph and character designer or am I stuck with
Adobe's almost eerily "we are like Microsoft approach" - that is, we give
you what we think is best and too bad if it isn't?



Sorry RJ - just can't quite embrace this new interface - after using it for
a few days now, I would rather be embracing a stiff drink and a handful of
aspirin!



TGIF!!!







Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

info at spectrumwritingllc.com



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With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread Spectrum Writing 
Thanks to all of the onlist and offlist replies. What I found pretty
consistently is the inconsistency with which users out there have had
success. An approach that one user mentioned offlist did not work for
another offlist responder.  The common thread seems to be "I am supposed to
be able to get it to work this way and I can" or "I am supposed to get it to
work this way and I can't."

What Bernard mentioned in his onlist post: " Note that at times you will
apply one (like your own) and then still have to go and reset it as well. If
I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll let people know."

is the major issue for me. I have the catalogs open for paragraph and
character and the panels docked in the order that I want them docked, and
the catalogs just don't want to seem to stay open. I constantly have to
reset my workspace and why this is an issue, I don't know. Two users offlist
indicated that they had no problems with this and two indicated that they
did.

That is why I was referring to the all or nothing issue.  I can keep my
panels docked and iconized and open them when I need to get to the catalogs
or I can keep hoping that my workspace with the open catalogs eventually
decide to hang around.

I DO have dual monitors and they are both widescreen (to deal with all the
"caca" as Kelly stated - LOL!) but it's just more overhead than I like to
deal with, but I know that I don't have a choice.

Thanks all -  these lists are invaluable and they really provide insight and
support.

TGIF!

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
info at spectrumwritingllc.com

With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace this FM9 interface

2009-11-20 Thread RJ Jacquez 
Hi Tammy, love the email subject, and no apologies needed :)

Not really sure why you are seeing inconsistencies, but one thing to remember 
is that regardless of whether the designers are shown/hidded or 
docked/undocked, the keyboard shortcuts always work and this is something I 
continue to use in FM9, namely:

Paragraph Designer = Ctrl+M
Character Designer = Ctrl+D
Table Designer = Ctrl + T

Also, sometimes when I need a bit more real estate, I'll even hide the entire 
UI (click the UI Visibility icon at top) and then use the keyboard shortcuts 
above to just bring up these pods.

Having said that, I'm happy to see that many people continue to feel more 
comfortable with the new FM9 UI as it is our goal at Adobe to standardize all 
of our apps on this same UI model as we move forward.

This includes the upcoming Captivate for Mac, for which I recently posted a 
sneak peek here in case you are interested in seeing: 
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez/2009/11/a_sneak_peek_of_adobe_captivat.html 

Sincerely,

RJ J?cquez
Senior Product Evangelist
Adobe Technical Communication Suite 
Adobe eLearning Suite
http://blogs.adobe.com/rjacquez
Twitter: @rjacquez


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Spectrum Writing
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:39 AM
To: 'Spectrum Writing'; 'Free Framers'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: With Apologies to RJ - just can't quite feel the love or embrace 
this FM9 interface

Thanks to all of the onlist and offlist replies. What I found pretty
consistently is the inconsistency with which users out there have had
success. An approach that one user mentioned offlist did not work for
another offlist responder.  The common thread seems to be "I am supposed to
be able to get it to work this way and I can" or "I am supposed to get it to
work this way and I can't."

What Bernard mentioned in his onlist post: " Note that at times you will
apply one (like your own) and then still have to go and reset it as well. If
I figure out the logic behind when and why I'll let people know."

is the major issue for me. I have the catalogs open for paragraph and
character and the panels docked in the order that I want them docked, and
the catalogs just don't want to seem to stay open. I constantly have to
reset my workspace and why this is an issue, I don't know. Two users offlist
indicated that they had no problems with this and two indicated that they
did.

That is why I was referring to the all or nothing issue.  I can keep my
panels docked and iconized and open them when I need to get to the catalogs
or I can keep hoping that my workspace with the open catalogs eventually
decide to hang around.

I DO have dual monitors and they are both widescreen (to deal with all the
"caca" as Kelly stated - LOL!) but it's just more overhead than I like to
deal with, but I know that I don't have a choice.

Thanks all -  these lists are invaluable and they really provide insight and
support.

TGIF!

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
info at spectrumwritingllc.com



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