RE: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Ellen, It sounds like your 'IT' department are being fussy with licensing. FrameMaker 7.1 was one of the last versions of FrameMaker that didn't dial Adobe for license activation, and if your company has a multi-user [bulk] license, you may be able to convince your IT department to install FM 7.1 - as the ADOBE 'Software License Agreement' [point#5] actually permits the use of multiple versions of the software on the same machine. I hope this helps. // Simon BUCH ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Hi Ellen, In my opinion, it's going to be very inconvenient to have one writer on FM9 and the others on FM7. Right now, I am working on a project in FM7.1, another in FM8 and a third in FM9. It's been a real split-brain experience, for sure! Based on the issues I have had, I would really advise against multiple Frame versions on the same team. For one thing, although the save as MIF approach will work, it will only take one time for the FM9 writer to forget to save a critical file as MIF, take a week off and one of the FM7 writers needs to work on it and can't! The interface is *drastically* different between FM9 and earlier versions. There is a learning curve, but I think it's worth it. Lastly, there has been a lot of very useful functionality added between FM7 and FM9 and the FM9 writer may find it frustrating not to be able to take advantage of these workflow improvements because she has to maintain compatibility with FM7. I suspect once the other writers get a look at these features, they too will clamor for upgrades. You didn't mention your future plans, but if they include moving to DITA or any other XML tagset, you really do need FM9. Its XML support is superior to that of FM7 in every way. Best, Leigh From: ellen_liding...@ingenix.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:18:58 -0500 Subject: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
If you want to buy me a copy of 9.0, I'll send your new writer my copy of 7.1. Only half kidding... --W From: ellen_liding...@ingenix.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:18:58 -0500 Subject: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Ellen, It sounds like your 'IT' department are being fussy with licensing. FrameMaker 7.1 was one of the last versions of FrameMaker that didn't "dial Adobe" for license activation, and if your company has a multi-user [bulk] license, you may be able to convince your IT department to install FM 7.1 - as the ADOBE 'Software License Agreement' [point#5] actually permits the use of multiple versions of the software on the same machine. I hope this helps. // Simon BUCH
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Hi Ellen, In my opinion, it's going to be very inconvenient to have one writer on FM9 and the others on FM7. Right now, I am working on a project in FM7.1, another in FM8 and a third in FM9. It's been a real split-brain experience, for sure! Based on the issues I have had, I would really advise against multiple Frame versions on the same team. For one thing, although the save as MIF approach will work, it will only take one time for the FM9 writer to forget to save a critical file as MIF, take a week off and one of the FM7 writers needs to work on it and can't! The interface is *drastically* different between FM9 and earlier versions. There is a learning curve, but I think it's worth it. Lastly, there has been a lot of very useful functionality added between FM7 and FM9 and the FM9 writer may find it frustrating not to be able to take advantage of these workflow improvements because she has to maintain compatibility with FM7. I suspect once the other writers get a look at these features, they too will clamor for upgrades. You didn't mention your future plans, but if they include moving to DITA or any other XML tagset, you really do need FM9. Its XML support is superior to that of FM7 in every way. Best, Leigh From: ellen_liding...@ingenix.com To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:18:58 -0500 Subject: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
If you want to buy me a copy of 9.0, I'll send your new writer my copy of 7.1. Only half kidding... --W > From: ellen_lidington at ingenix.com > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:18:58 -0500 > Subject: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team > > Hi all, > > I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. > Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her > system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned > about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a > writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as > .mif. > > My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, > I'm not sure how different the interface is. > > I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. > > Thanks. > > Ellen -- William Abernathy Berkeley, CA http://yourwritereditor.com
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen Ellen Lidington Documentation Lead Ingenix 950 Winter Street, Suite 3800, Waltham, MA 02451 Direct Line: 781-419-8414; Fax: 781-895-9951 www.ingenix.com This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
A thread on this just ran its course on the Adobe FM forum: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2696392#2696392 So long as you don't mind everyone saving as MIF (and saving as the correct version; there are three now), and don't mind changing Unicode characters back and forth, and the people on 8 and 9 don't use any features that didn't exist in 7, and everyone plays be the rules all the time and doesn't make any mistakes, you should be OK. Seriously, it's probably past time to consider getting everyone on the same platform. Otherwise you're going to be spending a fair amount of time doing mickey-mouse tweaking that you should be able to ignore. But mechanically, it'll work. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Lidington, Ellen L ellen_liding...@ingenix.com wrote: Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen Ellen Lidington Documentation Lead Ingenix 950 Winter Street, Suite 3800, Waltham, MA 02451 Direct Line: 781-419-8414; Fax: 781-895-9951 www.ingenix.com This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
Hi all, I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as .mif. My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, I'm not sure how different the interface is. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. Thanks. Ellen Ellen Lidington Documentation Lead Ingenix 950 Winter Street, Suite 3800, Waltham, MA 02451 Direct Line: 781-419-8414; Fax: 781-895-9951 www.ingenix.com This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately.
adding a v9.0 license to a 7.1 team
A thread on this just ran its course on the Adobe FM forum: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2696392#2696392 So long as you don't mind everyone saving as MIF (and saving as the correct version; there are three now), and don't mind changing Unicode characters back and forth, and the people on 8 and 9 don't use any features that didn't exist in 7, and everyone plays be the rules all the time and doesn't make any mistakes, you should be OK. Seriously, it's probably past time to consider getting everyone on the same platform. Otherwise you're going to be spending a fair amount of time doing mickey-mouse tweaking that you should be able to ignore. But mechanically, it'll work. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Lidington, Ellen L < ellen_lidington at ingenix.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I manage a group of distributed writers. All of us are on version 7.1. > Our newest writer has submitted a request to have FM installed on her > system and is being told her only option is version 9.0. I am concerned > about us being able to exchange documents because I already have a > writer on 8.0 and the only way we can exchange docs is by saving them as > .mif. > > My other concern is helping her learn FM. Since I have never seen v9.0, > I'm not sure how different the interface is. > > I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. > > Thanks. > > Ellen > > > > > > > > Ellen Lidington > Documentation Lead > > Ingenix > > 950 Winter Street, Suite 3800, Waltham, MA 02451 > > Direct Line: 781-419-8414; Fax: 781-895-9951 > > www.ingenix.com > > > > > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended > recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified > that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is > prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the > sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
