first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Well, As long as Framemaker 8.0 cannot create a decent PDF without turning on the Tagged PDF option I'd withhold my horses. Of course, the new Unicode support is very attractive, and really should have been there for ages now, but as long as book cannot be turned into PDF format 'just like that' because of lazy coding by an Adobe programmer -- and lack of internal testing by Adobe Quality Assurance officers -- I don't find the 8.0 upgrade worth two cents. However, when this generic PDF creation problem is fixed, I *really* have to credit Adobe for the FM 8.0 release. It's said, that FM 8.0 offer only "relatively few real innovations". As a programmer I have to enlighten users, that full Unicode support is a *huge* task that involves enormous ressources, especially when parts of the code base originally was designed for 16-bit environments. An application like Framemaker does not have much competition. However, it's alive, and many depend on it. I don't think a two year upgrade-cycle is unfair. If you don't agree, please look at 3B2 or XML Publisher and ask them to the bones what their upgrade cycle is! I don't think a switch can save anything, especially if you count in the adverse effects of an unpredictable learning curve. For a specialized product like Framemaker I personally would prefer annual maintenance payments over standard 2-year upgrade policies, because it would save *employed* users the discussions with thrifty bosses when to upgrade. However, I find it completely unacceptable that Adobe release a product that is NOT consistently tested for such an important thing as PDF creation of book files. THAT is terrifying and should NEVER happen again! All the best Jacob Sch?ffer Grafikhuset
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Well, As long as Framemaker 8.0 cannot create a decent PDF without turning on the Tagged PDF option I'd withhold my horses. Of course, the new Unicode support is very attractive, and really should have been there for ages now, but as long as book cannot be turned into PDF format 'just like that' because of lazy coding by an Adobe programmer -- and lack of internal testing by Adobe Quality Assurance officers -- I don't find the 8.0 upgrade worth two cents. However, when this generic PDF creation problem is fixed, I *really* have to credit Adobe for the FM 8.0 release. It's said, that FM 8.0 offer only "relatively few real innovations". As a programmer I have to enlighten users, that full Unicode support is a *huge* task that involves enormous ressources, especially when parts of the code base originally was designed for 16-bit environments. An application like Framemaker does not have much competition. However, it's alive, and many depend on it. I don't think a two year upgrade-cycle is unfair. If you don't agree, please look at 3B2 or XML Publisher and ask them to the bones what their upgrade cycle is! I don't think a switch can save anything, especially if you count in the adverse effects of an unpredictable learning curve. For a specialized product like Framemaker I personally would prefer annual maintenance payments over standard 2-year upgrade policies, because it would save *employed* users the discussions with thrifty bosses when to upgrade. However, I find it completely unacceptable that Adobe release a product that is NOT consistently tested for such an important thing as PDF creation of book files. THAT is terrifying and should NEVER happen again! All the best Jacob Schäffer Grafikhuset ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I think we should be happy that the new version has some significant improvements and shows that Frame is NOT a dead or dying product, instead of complaining about the lateness of the new features. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Alison Carrico wrote: > In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode > support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was > as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the > bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, > while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that > do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. > I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade > ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. > > BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real > innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about > time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at > Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. > > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers > .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: > > http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress > ions.html > > Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review > itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has > screen shots and PDF links). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe >
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Unfortunately, I think a lot depends on when the 9.0 release appears, because that will tell us if FM is on the more-or-less-standard 2-year release cycle that many (most, I don't know...) Adobe products (the CS suite, at least) seem to be on. Also, I'd expect that Chris' codebase theory is going to manifest itself in multi-product suites put together for tech writers... They put the marketing apparatus to address our vertical market over the last year or two; next come the more tightly integrated products. Art On 8/24/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: > FM8 looks like a codebase update to me. They've built in the > infrastructure they need for most new features that require interaction > with deeper layers of the underlying code, and made the application > competitive so it can be on par with the rest of their coming office > tools suite. The future is where the more cosmetic changes belong, as > well as bigger ones that build on the infrastructure enhancements we've > seen already. > > --- "Ridder, Fred" wrote: > > > And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and > > capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to > > dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't > > matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking > > and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions > > for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping > > conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of > > development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been > > asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing > > resources to actually implement them in an application that > > all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product > > 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. > > > http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ > technical writing | consulting | development > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
One could make the "quality of life" argument - it may not be dead or dying, what what kind of life does it have? I'd have liked to see some more features in this major release. I'm glad it's alive, but in some ways it seems more a patient recovering from neglect than a robust workhorse. I hope to see further improvement at a faster pace than we have seen so far. Technology marches on, employer and audience expectations move on, my career moves on, and FrameMaker, while moving, is not moving very fast. So yes, I am happy that my tool of choice is not dead. But it has to show more and faster improvement to stay relevant or it will be left behind. john From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 5:22 AM To: Alison Carrico Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I think we should be happy that the new version has some significant improvements and shows that Frame is NOT a dead or dying product, instead of complaining about the lateness of the new features. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Alison Carrico wrote: > In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode > support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was > as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the > bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, > while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that > do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. > I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade > ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. > > BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real > innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about > time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at > Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. > > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers > .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM > To: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: > > http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress > ions.html > > Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review > itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has > screen shots and PDF links). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Unfortunately, I think a lot depends on when the 9.0 release appears, because that will tell us if FM is on the more-or-less-standard 2-year release cycle that many (most, I don't know...) Adobe products (the CS suite, at least) seem to be on. Also, I'd expect that Chris' codebase theory is going to manifest itself in multi-product suites put together for tech writers... They put the marketing apparatus to address our vertical market over the last year or two; next come the more tightly integrated products. Art On 8/24/07, Chris Borokowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FM8 looks like a codebase update to me. They've built in the > infrastructure they need for most new features that require interaction > with deeper layers of the underlying code, and made the application > competitive so it can be on par with the rest of their coming office > tools suite. The future is where the more cosmetic changes belong, as > well as bigger ones that build on the infrastructure enhancements we've > seen already. > > --- "Ridder, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and > > capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to > > dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't > > matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking > > and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions > > for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping > > conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of > > development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been > > asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing > > resources to actually implement them in an application that > > all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product > > 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. > > > http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ > technical writing | consulting | development > > > > > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
One could make the "quality of life" argument - it may not be dead or dying, what what kind of life does it have? I'd have liked to see some more features in this major release. I'm glad it's alive, but in some ways it seems more a patient recovering from neglect than a robust workhorse. I hope to see further improvement at a faster pace than we have seen so far. Technology marches on, employer and audience expectations move on, my career moves on, and FrameMaker, while moving, is not moving very fast. So yes, I am happy that my tool of choice is not dead. But it has to show more and faster improvement to stay relevant or it will be left behind. john From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 5:22 AM To: Alison Carrico Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I think we should be happy that the new version has some significant improvements and shows that Frame is NOT a dead or dying product, instead of complaining about the lateness of the new features. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Alison Carrico wrote: > In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode > support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was > as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the > bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, > while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that > do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. > I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade > ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. > > BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real > innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about > time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at > Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. > > > -Original Message- > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: > > http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress > ions.html > > Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review > itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has > screen shots and PDF links). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I think we should be happy that the new version has some significant improvements and shows that Frame is NOT a dead or dying product, instead of complaining about the lateness of the new features. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Alison Carrico wrote: In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress ions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
"Umpteen years"??? It's barely been two years since 7.2 (although I'll admit that it has been about 5 years since 7.0 as the last major version release). And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing resources to actually implement them in an application that all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. Just my opinion... Fred Ridder -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Carrico Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:00 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress ions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe okeefe at scriptorium.com Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as acarrico at adamsglobalization.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
FM8 looks like a codebase update to me. They've built in the infrastructure they need for most new features that require interaction with deeper layers of the underlying code, and made the application competitive so it can be on par with the rest of their coming office tools suite. The future is where the more cosmetic changes belong, as well as bigger ones that build on the infrastructure enhancements we've seen already. --- "Ridder, Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and > capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to > dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't > matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking > and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions > for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping > conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of > development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been > asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing > resources to actually implement them in an application that > all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product > 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
FM8 looks like a codebase update to me. They've built in the infrastructure they need for most new features that require interaction with deeper layers of the underlying code, and made the application competitive so it can be on par with the rest of their coming office tools suite. The future is where the more cosmetic changes belong, as well as bigger ones that build on the infrastructure enhancements we've seen already. --- "Ridder, Fred" wrote: > And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and > capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to > dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't > matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking > and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions > for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping > conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of > development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been > asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing > resources to actually implement them in an application that > all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product > 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+acarrico=adamsglobalization.com at lists.frameusers .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress ions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe okeefe at scriptorium.com Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as acarrico at adamsglobalization.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
"Umpteen years"??? It's barely been two years since 7.2 (although I'll admit that it has been about 5 years since 7.0 as the last major version release). And IMO FM8.0 includes several pretty major new features and capabilities, although from your perspective it may be easy to dismiss them as "it's about time" features or things that don't matter to you. In addition to Unicode support, both revision tracking and the improvements to conditional text (Boolean expressions for show/hide settings and better indications for overlapping conditions) are big features that would have involved a lot of development and testing effort. Yes, many of us have been asking for these features for years, but seeing Adobe investing resources to actually implement them in an application that all the tea-leaf readers were proclaiming as a dead product 3 or 4 years ago is very heartening. Just my opinion... Fred Ridder -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alison Carrico Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress ions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
In my business (document/software translation/localization), the Unicode support alone is worth the price of admission several times over. I was as giddy as a schoolgirl when I printed a Russian doc to PDF & all the bookmarks came out perfectly. I've been using TimeSavers in 7.1 and, while it is a huge help, there are characters in several languages that do not convert correctly, requiring tedious copy/pasting to correct. I'm working with the trial version until Purchasing gets the upgrade ordered, and we'll recommend upgrading to several of our clients. BUT... it really is disappointing to see relatively few real innovations. IMO, a lot of the new features warrant only an "It's about time", not "Wow, cool!" Makes me wonder what the Frame engineers at Adobe have been doing for the umpteen years between 7.2 & this version. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impress ions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/acarrico%40adamsglob alization.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've played with the pre-release beta, and now the demo, and my general assessment is positive. FrameMaker 8 is a base-of-platform release, meaning that Adobe threw in the basic features it's going to develop and augment in the 8-series line, mainly to bring it up to par with other Adobe software on the level of its internals and interoperability. This is very positive, and for those of us who remember the inevitably circular "Is Frame dead?" discussions from four months ago, a real boon. There will inevitably be patches, and most software of x.0 status isn't "ready" until x.1, but that's more the nature of software development than something specific to FrameMaker 8. --- Bodvar Bjorgvinsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have > waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see > more > than a couple of patches soon. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've played with the pre-release beta, and now the demo, and my general assessment is positive. FrameMaker 8 is a base-of-platform release, meaning that Adobe threw in the basic features it's going to develop and augment in the 8-series line, mainly to bring it up to par with other Adobe software on the level of its internals and interoperability. This is very positive, and for those of us who remember the inevitably circular "Is Frame dead?" discussions from four months ago, a real boon. There will inevitably be patches, and most software of x.0 status isn't "ready" until x.1, but that's more the nature of software development than something specific to FrameMaker 8. --- Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have > waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see > more > than a couple of patches soon. http://technical-writing.dionysius.com/ technical writing | consulting | development Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've played with the FM 8 trial version for an hour or two. In addition to Sarah's findings, I noticed that (disappointingly) some old interface problems remain. Dialogs like Conditional Text, Variable and Cross-Reference are still not resizable. Variable and Cross-Reference are still modal. The new 'tab bar' feature looks interesting, but on my 20", 1600x1200 monitor the bar fills up when I've got 10 or so documents open. Most of my books consist of more than 10 documents (and I usually keep all documents in the book open), which makes this new interface as useless as the Window menu for selecting a document. This means I'm still reduced to making sure the book file is always visible, so I can select a document by double-clicking it in the book file. That's three clicks (plus making sure the Paragraph and Table Designer are closed, to avoid that bug) for something that could have been a single drag action from the Window menu. Harro de Jong
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've played with the FM 8 trial version for an hour or two. In addition to Sarah's findings, I noticed that (disappointingly) some old interface problems remain. Dialogs like Conditional Text, Variable and Cross-Reference are still not resizable. Variable and Cross-Reference are still modal. The new 'tab bar' feature looks interesting, but on my 20", 1600x1200 monitor the bar fills up when I've got 10 or so documents open. Most of my books consist of more than 10 documents (and I usually keep all documents in the book open), which makes this new interface as useless as the Window menu for selecting a document. This means I'm still reduced to making sure the book file is always visible, so I can select a document by double-clicking it in the book file. That's three clicks (plus making sure the Paragraph and Table Designer are closed, to avoid that bug) for something that could have been a single drag action from the Window menu. Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Thanks, Sarah, Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more than a couple of patches soon. This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? Bodvar On 8/9/07, Sarah O'Keefe wrote: > I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: > > http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html > > Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review > itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has > screen shots and PDF links). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe > -- > ### > Sarah O'Keefe okeefe at scriptorium.com > Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com > Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different from what was in Acrobat 8? On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > which adds one back to your available activation count. > That system does work pretty well. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: > This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the > same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or > main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads) you operate two machines simultaneously. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Hi, Dov. Dov Isaacs wrote: If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center. They are very understanding about such situations and unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware failure every week), they will add an activation to your copy via the activation server. Good enough! I figured as much ... :) So, I did not worry about it ... the laptop failure happened over 9 or 10 months ago, and my new laptop has been fine. I did not even bother to call Adobe about it when I got that message. Thanks for the reassurance though! Most of the big complainers were in fact users who previously tried to install one copy of a program on a whole fleet of computers. It never fails me to amaze me that people think that what they are doing is legal (and not a violation of the license terms that they agreed to) and also dumb enough to think that they would not be caught. Sad ... Z -Original Message- From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM To: Dov Isaacs Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 Hi, Dov, et. al. Dov Isaacs wrote: The activation mechanism supports two activations such that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system which adds one back to your available activation count. That system does work pretty well. I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly now). Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in any way. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Hi, Dov. Dov Isaacs wrote: > If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to > equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on > your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center. > They are very understanding about such situations and > unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware > failure every week), they will add an activation to your > copy via the activation server. Good enough! I figured as much ... :) So, I did not worry about it ... the laptop failure happened over 9 or 10 months ago, and my new laptop has been fine. I did not even bother to call Adobe about it when I got that message. Thanks for the reassurance though! > Most of the big complainers were > in fact users who previously tried to install one copy > of a program on a whole fleet of computers. It never fails me to amaze me that people think that what they are doing is legal (and not a violation of the license terms that they agreed to) and also dumb enough to think that they would not be caught. Sad ... Z >> -Original Message- >> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM >> To: Dov Isaacs >> Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 >> >> Hi, Dov, et. al. >> >> Dov Isaacs wrote: >>> The activation mechanism supports two activations such >>> that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if >>> you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third >>> system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system >>> which adds one back to your available activation count. >>> That system does work pretty well. >> I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered >> that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone >> through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a >> new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being >> activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly >> now). >> >> Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second >> copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it >> at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if >> this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in >> any way.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe okeefe at scriptorium.com Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center. They are very understanding about such situations and unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware failure every week), they will add an activation to your copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of angst about the activation when it first appeared on Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were in fact users who previously tried to install one copy of a program on a whole fleet of computers. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM > To: Dov Isaacs > Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, Dov, et. al. > > Dov Isaacs wrote: > > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > > which adds one back to your available activation count. > > That system does work pretty well. > > I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered > that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone > through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a > new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being > activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly > now). > > Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second > copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it > at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if > this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in > any way. > > Z > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
If you in fact go over the two activation limit due to equipment failure, call the phone number that appears on your screen to talk with the Adobe Activation Center. They are very understanding about such situations and unless you abuse the privilege (such as having a hardware failure every week), they will add an activation to your copy via the activation server. There was quite a bit of angst about the activation when it first appeared on Photoshop 8 on Windows and then on CS2 for all products and platforms. In reality, things worked out well with relatively few hiccups. Most of the big complainers were in fact users who previously tried to install one copy of a program on a whole fleet of computers. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Syed Zaeem Hosain [mailto:Syed.Hosain at aeris.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:35 PM > To: Dov Isaacs > Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, Dov, et. al. > > Dov Isaacs wrote: > > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > > which adds one back to your available activation count. > > That system does work pretty well. > > I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered > that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone > through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a > new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being > activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly > now). > > Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second > copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it > at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if > this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in > any way. > > Z >
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Hi, Dov, et. al. Dov Isaacs wrote: The activation mechanism supports two activations such that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system which adds one back to your available activation count. That system does work pretty well. I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly now). Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in any way. Z -Original Message- From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM To: Sarah O'Keefe Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 Thanks, Sarah, Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more than a couple of patches soon. This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? Bodvar ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Hi, Dov, et. al. Dov Isaacs wrote: > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > which adds one back to your available activation count. > That system does work pretty well. I believe that Acrobat 8 has something similar. I discovered that by accident ... my laptop died and I could not have gone through the process of DE-activation. When I loaded it onto a new replacement system, I got a screen message that it was being activated a second time (or some such info, as I recall badly now). Since this license is only one machine anyway (I bought a second copy of Acrobat 8 for my home system), I did not worry about it at the time. I hope that this issue does not get in my way if this laptop (or OS load) croaks and I have to reload the OS in any way. Z >> -Original Message- >> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM >> To: Sarah O'Keefe >> Cc: framers at frameusers.com >> Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 >> >> Thanks, Sarah, >> >> Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have >> waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more >> than a couple of patches soon. >> >> This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the >> same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or >> main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? >> >> Bodvar
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Same - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Bill Swallow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM > To: Dov Isaacs > Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different > from what was in Acrobat 8? > > On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > > which adds one back to your available activation count. > > That system does work pretty well. > > -- > Bill Swallow > HATT List Owner > WWP-Users List Owner > Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter > STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager > http://techcommdood.blogspot.com > avid homebrewer and proud beer snob > "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Same - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommdood at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM > To: Dov Isaacs > Cc: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson; Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different > from what was in Acrobat 8? > > On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: > > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > > which adds one back to your available activation count. > > That system does work pretty well. > > -- > Bill Swallow > HATT List Owner > WWP-Users List Owner > Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter > STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager > http://techcommdood.blogspot.com > avid homebrewer and proud beer snob > "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Yes, it works well in Acrobat. Or is this activation thing different from what was in Acrobat 8? On 8/9/07, Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The activation mechanism supports two activations such > that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if > you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third > system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system > which adds one back to your available activation count. > That system does work pretty well. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
The activation mechanism supports two activations such that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system which adds one back to your available activation count. That system does work pretty well. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM > To: Sarah O'Keefe > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Thanks, Sarah, > > Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have > waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more > than a couple of patches soon. > > This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the > same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or > main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? > > Bodvar ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
The activation mechanism supports two activations such that you can use the software per the EULA. Note that if you need to move from a system to another (i.e., a third system), there is a function to DE-activate on a system which adds one back to your available activation count. That system does work pretty well. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:36 PM > To: Sarah O'Keefe > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8 > > Thanks, Sarah, > > Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have > waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more > than a couple of patches soon. > > This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the > same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or > main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? > > Bodvar
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson wrote: This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? If the FM8 standalone license is consistent with licenses for other Adobe products that I've seen, you'll be allowed to activate the program on two computers as long as you don't use it on both at the same time. In practice, Adobe doesn't know whether (with four hands and two heads) you operate two machines simultaneously. Kenneth Benson Pegasus Type, Inc. www.pegtype.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: first impressions of FrameMaker 8
Thanks, Sarah, Lot of things here to support my suspicion that Adobe should have waited a couple of months with this release. We will probably see more than a couple of patches soon. This registering thing: does it mean that we no longer can install the same FM on two computers like the license used to be (one at work or main computer and one at home or on a laptop, IIRC)? Bodvar On 8/9/07, Sarah O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: > > http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html > > Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review > itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has > screen shots and PDF links). > > Regards, > > Sarah O'Keefe > -- > ### > Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com > Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
first impressions of FrameMaker 8
I've posted an overview of FrameMaker 8 with my impressions here: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/2007/08/framemaker-8-first-impressions.html Please feel free to comment on the blog or in this forum. The review itself is too long to post to the list in its entirety (and it has screen shots and PDF links). Regards, Sarah O'Keefe -- ### Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc. http://www.scriptorium.com Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
