RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
I use the "FrameMaker primitives" that Bill Briggs created. I added them to AutoText (you do use the AutoText plug-in, right?), so I can just select the piece I need from the AutoText menu, type the text, and then add the next piece. Some final alignment at the end and it's done. Using the combination of Bill's flowchart pieces and AutoText, I can *complete* a simple flowchart with about twelve pieces in around five minutes. I also use Visio for many types of drawings. To keep the quality, I export as a vector format: usually PDF (on the way to EPS), but occasionally WMF. Remember that the Export to EPS option is (and always has been) horribly broken in Visio. WMF is a vector format, but it has many problems that I won't get into here. (WMF is still a handy format sometimes, because you can give it to marketing guys to include in PowerPoint. Double-clicking the WMF in PowerPoint makes it editable--at which point it's not your problem anymore and the marketing guys can tweak the colors and fonts happily all day.) For best results from Visio, save to PDF, crop in Acrobat, export as EPS with a preview. It's a bit of a chore, but worth it for some things. One hint that really helps: put all your Visio pictures for one project in a single file. >From the multi-page PDF, you can crop all pages as one step, then export each page as a separate EPS as one step. -Terry Smith ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
I agree. I import Visio graphics into both FrameMaker and MS Word, and the results have always been legible. -- Brian On 9/14/06, Charles Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I seem to remember that it worked very well... ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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pdfFLY (www.pdf-fly.com) converts any drawing saved as PostScript or PDF file to an editable FrameMaker Interchange Format (MIF). Which is vector based. Any windows application, including SmartDraw, Visio, could generate a PostScript file of the drawing, using the Print-to-File option. Jan Homan jan at pdf-fly.com -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: framers-bounces+jan=square1.nl at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jan=square1.nl at lists.frameusers.com]Namens framers-request at lists.frameusers.com Verzonden: vrijdag 15 september 2006 8:01 Aan: framers at lists.frameusers.com Onderwerp: [SPAM] - Framers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 15 - Email found in subject Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers at lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to framers-request at lists.frameusers.com You can reach the person managing the list at framers-owner at lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby) 2. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Beth Prince) 3. Re: Document Management System needed for FM (Scott Abel) 4. RE: Question regarding converting documents to Structured FrameMaker (Dave Shevitz) 5. Nasty X-Refs (Whites) 6. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Charles Beck) 7. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 8. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs) 9. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Niels Fan?e) 10. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Steve Rickaby) 11. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Syed Zaeem Hosain) 12. 2 blank pages (Shmuel Wolfson) 13. Re: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby) 14. Re: 2 blank pages (John Posada) 15. Re: 2 blank pages (Art Campbell) 16. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (d.mossfritch at comcast.net) 17. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Art Campbell) 18. RE: 2 blank pages (Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)) 19. RE: 2 blank pages (Steve Rickaby) 20. Re: 2 blank pages (Bill Briggs) 21. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato) 22. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 23. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 24. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Gillian Flato) 25. Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Peter Gold) 26. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs) 27. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Dov Isaacs) 28. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Bill Briggs) 29. OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Don Laux) 30. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 31. Re: OT: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs) 32. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bureeda Bruner) 33. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Bill Briggs) 34. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (Jennifer Randel) 35. RE: Pubsnet "out of office reply" bounces (John Posada) 36. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold) 37. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Dov Isaacs) 38. RE: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Ridder, Fred) 39. Re: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC (Peter Gold) 40. FYI: Pubsnet posts (Rick Quatro) 41. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Steve Rickaby) 42. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Peter Gold) 43. Re: FYI: Pubsnet posts (Art Campbell) 44. RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame (Combs, Richard) 45. Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (Gillian Flato) 46. RE: Robohelp vs. WebWorks EPublisher Pro (John Sgammato) 47. Manual requirement or creation form (Fred Staal) 48. good flowchart software to use with Frame (Fred Staal) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:57:48 +0100 From: Steve Rickaby Subject: Options for cross-grading, Mac to PC To: framers at FrameUsers.com Cc: fmforosx at yahoogroups.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've just had an interesting discussion with Adobe European Support on the issue of cross-grading from FrameMaker on Mac to FrameMaker on PC. It seems to come down to this: . Produce an invoice for the original purchase of FrameMaker (in my case, from Frame Corp in 1991) . Sign a 'letter of destruction' from Adobe vowing that you will never again use FrameMaker on the Mac . Pay the upgrade fee and you then get FrameMaker for PC at the upgrade price. Adobe call this a 'cross-system procedure'. However, I nee
good flowchart software to use with Frame
I use the "FrameMaker primitives" that Bill Briggs created. I added them to AutoText (you do use the AutoText plug-in, right?), so I can just select the piece I need from the AutoText menu, type the text, and then add the next piece. Some final alignment at the end and it's done. Using the combination of Bill's flowchart pieces and AutoText, I can *complete* a simple flowchart with about twelve pieces in around five minutes. I also use Visio for many types of drawings. To keep the quality, I export as a vector format: usually PDF (on the way to EPS), but occasionally WMF. Remember that the Export to EPS option is (and always has been) horribly broken in Visio. WMF is a vector format, but it has many problems that I won't get into here. (WMF is still a handy format sometimes, because you can give it to marketing guys to include in PowerPoint. Double-clicking the WMF in PowerPoint makes it editable--at which point it's not your problem anymore and the marketing guys can tweak the colors and fonts happily all day.) For best results from Visio, save to PDF, crop in Acrobat, export as EPS with a preview. It's a bit of a chore, but worth it for some things. One hint that really helps: put all your Visio pictures for one project in a single file.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Fred Staal wrote: > We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked > objects. The process seems stable, retains vector format, and > avoids any conversion issues. We used that method back when we only had an occasional Visio drawing, and it was OK for that. It is, of course, Windows-only, relying on Microsoft's OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) protocol. OLE2, actually, which is more stable than the original OLE. For docs with more Visio drawings (one file has over 60 in it), I wouldn't dream of using OLE. Here's one reason: I have a 14-page file that contains three half-page Visio diagrams. The current version (Visios imported by ref as PDFs) is 67KB. An older version -- little difference in text, Visios as linked (not embedded) objects -- is 595KB. YMMV. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Fred Staal wrote: > We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked > objects. The process seems stable, retains vector format, and > avoids any conversion issues. We used that method back when we only had an occasional Visio drawing, and it was OK for that. It is, of course, Windows-only, relying on Microsoft's OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) protocol. OLE2, actually, which is more stable than the original OLE. For docs with more Visio drawings (one file has over 60 in it), I wouldn't dream of using OLE. Here's one reason: I have a 14-page file that contains three half-page Visio diagrams. The current version (Visios imported by ref as PDFs) is 67KB. An older version -- little difference in text, Visios as linked (not embedded) objects -- is 595KB. YMMV. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Dov Isaacs wrote: > PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. > Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content > as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import > either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into > your FrameMaker document. I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio --> PDF process works great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a single multi-page PDF from such a file. In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick! Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which can cause text problems). Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
good flowchart software to use with Frame
We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion issues. Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 fred.staal at schilling.con
good flowchart software to use with Frame
We use Visio and import the charts into FM 6 as a linked objects. The process seems stable, retains vector format, and avoids any conversion issues. Fred Staal Supervisor, Technical Publications Schilling Robotics, LLC Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155 Fax: (530) 753-8092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Dov Isaacs wrote: > PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. > Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content > as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import > either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into > your FrameMaker document. I'm using Visio Pro 2003 and Acrobat 7, and the Visio --> PDF process works great! There's an advantage to it that most people don't realize: Visio files can contain multiple drawing pages, and Convert to Adobe PDF will create a single multi-page PDF from such a file. In FM, when you import from that PDF, you choose the page. Instead of a dozen separate source files and a dozen separate output files, there's one of each. You can import all the drawings in no time because FM remembers the file name from the previous import, and you just pick a new page. Slick! Helpful hint: In Visio Page Setup, make both the drawing and print page size exactly the final size you want it in FM, so there's no need to scale (which can cause text problems). Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. -Niels -> -Original Message- -> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com -> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] -> On Behalf Of Beth Prince -> Sent: 13. september 2006 20:16 -> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com -> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame -> -> Hi, all, -> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I -> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's -> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any -> suggestions?? -> Beth -> ___ -> -> -> You are currently subscribed to Framers as NFA at maconomy.dk. -> -> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. -> -> To unsubscribe send a blank email to -> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com -> or visit -> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk -> -> Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit -> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ->
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Good Morning Beth, I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether print or Acrobat, is great. Best, Denise Denise L. Moss-Fritch Lead Technical Writer Varian Medical Systems Palo Alto, CA -- Original message -- > > Beth Prince wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used > > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and > > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions??
good flowchart software to use with Frame
And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something. - web At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need >to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money >for that. > >Just something to keep in mind. > >I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that >specific reason. > > >Thank you, > >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >Nanometrics, Inc. > > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >Behalf Of Bill Briggs >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > >FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly >drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people >on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they >will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used >them in quite some time. > > - web > >At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >>Hi, all, >>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used >SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and >it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >>Beth >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. >> >>Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >>or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca >> >>Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics >.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information >intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended >recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, >disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message >is strictly prohibited.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Gillian Flato wrote: > What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group > them together with the graphic. > > That's what I mean! When you say "type them in" you must be typing into text frames or text lines (the "A" tool) you've created in the drawing you've made in an anchored frame. You do the same thing with an imported graphic in an anchored frame. You can group these text frames or text lines with imported graphics. HTH Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices > Gillian Flato > > > > -Original Message- > From: Peter Gold [mailto:peter at knowhowpro.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM > To: Gillian Flato > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > > Hi, Gillian: > > Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - > to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing > tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. > > Regards, > > Peter Gold > KnowHow ProServices > > Gillian Flato wrote: > >> Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >> your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will >> > need > >> to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >> chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >> Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >> chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra >> > money > >> for that. >> >> Just something to keep in mind. >> >> I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for >> > that > >> specific reason. >> >>
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > >
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > >
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Second that. On 9/14/06, Niels Fan?e wrote: > Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. > > -Niels -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
And if they are done in FrameMaker using the primitives I made they get spell checked along with the rest of the document. That's worth something. - web At 9:00 AM -0700 9/14/06, Gillian Flato wrote: >Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if >your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need >to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow >chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in >Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow >chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money >for that. > >Just something to keep in mind. > >I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that >specific reason. > > >Thank you, > >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >Nanometrics, Inc. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Bill Briggs >Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM >To: framers@lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame > >FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly >drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people >on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they >will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used >them in quite some time. > > - web > >At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >>Hi, all, >>I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used >SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and >it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >>Beth >>___ >> >> >>You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca >> >>Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >>http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics >.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information >intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended >recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, >disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message >is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Niels Fanøe > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:55 AM > To: Beth Prince; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame > > Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. > > -Niels > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
PNG is a raster format that does not scale well. Visio is primarily vector. You want to preserve the content as vector. Best best is to produce PDF from Visio and import either the PDF or EPS (saved from the PDF in Acrobat) into your FrameMaker document. - Dov > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+isaacs=adobe.com at lists.frameusers.com] > On Behalf Of Niels Fan?e > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:55 AM > To: Beth Prince; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame > > Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. > > -Niels >
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Gillian Flato wrote: What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group them together with the graphic. That's what I mean! When you say "type them in" you must be typing into text frames or text lines (the "A" tool) you've created in the drawing you've made in an anchored frame. You do the same thing with an imported graphic in an anchored frame. You can group these text frames or text lines with imported graphics. HTH Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but >when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize >well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at >lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group them together with the graphic. Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
What do you mean by apply callouts? I just type them in and then group them together with the graphic. Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Gillian Flato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: > Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if > your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need > to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow > chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in > Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow > chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money > for that. > > Just something to keep in mind. > > I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that > specific reason. > > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, Gillian: Did you ever try applying FM callouts - as text frames or text lines - to the imported graphics? This gives the option to use the best drawing tools for the purpose, and still permits translators to stay in FM. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Gillian Flato wrote: Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) Nanometrics, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Briggs Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Although FrameMaker drawing tools are primitive, keep in mind that if your documents are ever going to be translated, the Translator will need to access the Flow chart labels and translate them too. If the flow chart is done all in Frame, it's easier for the Translator. If it's in Visio, the Translator has to have a copy of Visio, translate the flow chart, create the .png and reimport it. They will charge you extra money for that. Just something to keep in mind. I switched from using Illustrator for callouts to using Frame, for that specific reason. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) Nanometrics, Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Briggs Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:53 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
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I agree. I import Visio graphics into both FrameMaker and MS Word, and the results have always been legible. -- Brian On 9/14/06, Charles Beck wrote: > Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I > seem to remember that it worked very well... >
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I seem to remember that it worked very well... -Original Message- Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth ___
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Second that. On 9/14/06, Niels Fanøe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. -Niels -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Good Morning Beth, I too use SmartDraw, particularly for flowcharts that include images. I had a problem with the shartness of images until I tried saving the SmartDraw graphic as a .png file and using that in FrameMaker. The resulting graphic, whether print or Acrobat, is great. Best, Denise Denise L. Moss-Fritch Lead Technical Writer Varian Medical Systems Palo Alto, CA -- Original message -- > > Beth Prince wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used > > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and > > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Beth Prince wrote: Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? I use Visio for this ... save it in a vector format and it will work well in FrameMaker. Z You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Beth Prince wrote: > Hi, all, > I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used > SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and > it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? I use Visio for this ... save it in a vector format and it will work well in FrameMaker. Z > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Visio - save as PNG. Works well for me. -Niels -> -Original Message- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> On Behalf Of Beth Prince -> Sent: 13. september 2006 20:16 -> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com -> Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame -> -> Hi, all, -> I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I -> used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's -> not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any -> suggestions?? -> Beth -> ___ -> -> -> You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> -> Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> -> To unsubscribe send a blank email to -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> or visit -> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk -> -> Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit -> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: good flowchart software to use with Frame
FrameMaker ships with a set of flowchart primitives. They are poorly drawn and pretty much crap. I re-drew them many years ago. Some people on the list have tried them out. If anyone found them useful, maybe they will comment. If you're interested I'll try to find them. I've not used them in quite some time. - web At 11:16 AM -0700 9/13/06, Beth Prince wrote: >Hi, all, >I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but >when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize >well. Anyone have any suggestions?? >Beth >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: good flowchart software to use with Frame
Visio? I can't remember, because it's been awhile since I used it, but I seem to remember that it worked very well... -Original Message- Subject: good flowchart software to use with Frame Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
good flowchart software to use with Frame
Hi, all, I need to make up some flowcharts to import into frame. I used SmartDraw, but when I import the SmartDraw file, it's not very clear and it does not resize well. Anyone have any suggestions?? Beth
