Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[Mike Morris]

Well, I'm glad to see this idea has got a little bit of a response!
I didn't realize Robinhood wouldn't give the ability to have a say at 
shareholder meetings. I've purchased the stock through my IRA in Fidelity, and 
have about 11 shares now. As a sidenote, I did make a surprising amount when 
Trump announced Kodak would be making supplies for vaccines. 

At any rate, I still think this might be an interesting experiment. I need to 
do a little more research, but maybe the question to ask would be how many 
shares of stock would our community need to purchase to have some kind of 
controlling interest in Kodak? 

If Robinhood isn't an option for that, an IRA at Fidelity takes about $2500 to 
open. Maybe there are other more traditional platforms for purchasing stock 
that don't require so much upfront investment. 

10 shares right now is about $100. 
If we got 1500 people to buy 10 shares each, we'd be at 15,000 shares, which is 
a drop in the bucket if we're talking about 9 million shares being traded 
yesterday, but would the vote we'd have even with that be effective in steering 
some decisions at the company?
MikeDallas, Texas / Cairo, Egypt

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PS when u own shares with Robinhood as a shareholder u do not have any say in 
how the company is run or its marketing policies since Robinhood is a broker 
mostly for small investors.


D

> On Jan 28, 2021, at 3:14 AM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes indeed. I dont understand fully how stocks work but I thought holders can 
> make demands on companies. My playing around maths came up with this
> 
> 1725 FW + 1 friend =            2450
> 217 orgs on filmproj21            0217
> 817 individuals + 1 friend (filmprj21)    1634
> 
>                     4302
> 
> 108,000,000 divided by 4302 = $25,000 EACH!
> 
> By adding friends and maybe upping what organisations could buy you get this
> 
> 
> 1725 FW + 2 friends =                  5175
> 217 orgs on filmproj21                  2170    each org acting as 10 x
> 817 individuals + 3 friends            3268
> 
>                                        $10,613  still a lot.
> 
> And yes, im sure we'd all prefer to spend that much on film stock..
> 
> Anyway, something to do whilst stuck at home home schooling all day ever 
> day.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, FrameWorks Admin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Graeme,
>> There are 1725 subscribers on FrameWorks. Each one would have to put up 
>> $62,600 between s/he and their friends.
>> A hard slog. Especially when you consider that Kodak stock is not a great 
>> investment.
>> And considering that they will not boost profits by making more super-8 
>> film, the stock will go down and we will all lose.
>> However, if each of us bought $62,000 of Kodak film rather than Kodak stock, 
>> it would surely have more of an effect!
>> Their profits would soar and they would invest their wealth in making more 
>> film, so.
>> Pip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:37 PM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all. As its a numbers game perhaps we should start with some.
>>> 
>>> Pip, how many single subscribers to FW are there?
>>> 
>>> If each subscriber could also 'rally' a set of friends/contacts to bolster 
>>> numbers it might be a good excercise.
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[Dominic Angerame]

PS when u own shares with Robinhood as a shareholder u do not have any say in 
how the company is run or its marketing policies since Robinhood is a broker 
mostly for small investors.


D

> On Jan 28, 2021, at 3:14 AM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes indeed. I dont understand fully how stocks work but I thought holders can 
> make demands on companies. My playing around maths came up with this
> 
> 1725 FW + 1 friend =  2450
> 217 orgs on filmproj210217
> 817 individuals + 1 friend (filmprj21)1634
> 
>   4302
> 
> 108,000,000 divided by 4302 = $25,000 EACH!
> 
> By adding friends and maybe upping what organisations could buy you get this
> 
> 
> 1725 FW + 2 friends =   5175
> 217 orgs on filmproj21  2170  each org acting as 10 x
> 817 individuals + 3 friends 3268
> 
>$10,613  still a lot.
> 
> And yes, im sure we'd all prefer to spend that much on film stock..
> 
> Anyway, something to do whilst stuck at home home schooling all day ever 
> day.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, FrameWorks Admin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Graeme,
>> There are 1725 subscribers on FrameWorks. Each one would have to put up 
>> $62,600 between s/he and their friends.
>> A hard slog. Especially when you consider that Kodak stock is not a great 
>> investment.
>> And considering that they will not boost profits by making more super-8 
>> film, the stock will go down and we will all lose.
>> However, if each of us bought $62,000 of Kodak film rather than Kodak stock, 
>> it would surely have more of an effect!
>> Their profits would soar and they would invest their wealth in making more 
>> film, so.
>> Pip
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:37 PM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi all. As its a numbers game perhaps we should start with some.
>>> 
>>> Pip, how many single subscribers to FW are there?
>>> 
>>> If each subscriber could also 'rally' a set of friends/contacts to bolster 
>>> numbers it might be a good excercise.
>> 
>> 
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>> http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[Dominic Angerame]

Robinhood.com is a way to buy partial shares like game stock and Kodak etc.
this is what is driving up gamestock. Robinhood is for small investors
example is I own .34 of one stock. when a community gets together and buys
partial shares it can have an enormous impact on the stock price.

I know Kodak received an enormous amount from the past administration to
helpf fight Covid. Where those funds were spent, however, is a good
question.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:00 AM Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> > Yes indeed. I dont understand fully how stocks work but I thought
> holders
> > can make demands on companies.
>
> It doesn't take much money to do that.  Buy a single share, and you can
> introduce a shareholder proposal.  Whether it gets accepted or not depends
> on how many other shareholders you can convince it is a good idea.
>
> If I were to do that, I would suggest it would be a good idea for Kodak to
> set up a small prototype-volume production alley to permit them to keep
> small runs of unusual emulsions in short-run production in a profitable
> way.  It would not be cheap, but neither would losing market be.
> --scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[Scott Dorsey]

> Yes indeed. I dont understand fully how stocks work but I thought holders 
> can make demands on companies. 

It doesn't take much money to do that.  Buy a single share, and you can
introduce a shareholder proposal.  Whether it gets accepted or not depends
on how many other shareholders you can convince it is a good idea.

If I were to do that, I would suggest it would be a good idea for Kodak to
set up a small prototype-volume production alley to permit them to keep
small runs of unusual emulsions in short-run production in a profitable
way.  It would not be cheap, but neither would losing market be.
--scott


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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[graemehogg]

Yes indeed. I dont understand fully how stocks work but I thought holders 
can make demands on companies. My playing around maths came up with this


1725 FW + 1 friend =2450
217 orgs on filmproj21  0217
817 individuals + 1 friend (filmprj21)  1634

4302

108,000,000 divided by 4302 = $25,000 EACH!

By adding friends and maybe upping what organisations could buy you get 
this



1725 FW + 2 friends =   5175
217 orgs on filmproj21  2170each org acting as 10 x
817 individuals + 3 friends 3268

$10,613  still a lot.

And yes, im sure we'd all prefer to spend that much on film 
stock..


Anyway, something to do whilst stuck at home home schooling all day ever 
day.



On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, FrameWorks Admin wrote:


Hi Graeme,
There are 1725 subscribers on FrameWorks. Each one would have to put up $62,600 
between s/he and their friends.
A hard slog. Especially when you consider that Kodak stock is not a great 
investment.
And considering that they will not boost profits by making more super-8 film, 
the stock will go down and we will all lose.
However, if each of us bought $62,000 of Kodak film rather than Kodak stock, it 
would surely have more of an effect!
Their profits would soar and they would invest their wealth in making more 
film, so.
Pip





On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:37 PM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:


Hi all. As its a numbers game perhaps we should start with some.

Pip, how many single subscribers to FW are there?

If each subscriber could also 'rally' a set of friends/contacts to bolster 
numbers it might be a good excercise.



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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[FrameWorks Admin]

Hi Graeme,
There are 1725 subscribers on FrameWorks. Each one would have to put up $62,600 
between s/he and their friends.
A hard slog. Especially when you consider that Kodak stock is not a great 
investment.
And considering that they will not boost profits by making more super-8 film, 
the stock will go down and we will all lose.
However, if each of us bought $62,000 of Kodak film rather than Kodak stock, it 
would surely have more of an effect! 
Their profits would soar and they would invest their wealth in making more 
film, so.
Pip




> On Jan 28, 2021, at 7:37 PM, graemeh...@irational.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi all. As its a numbers game perhaps we should start with some.
> 
> Pip, how many single subscribers to FW are there?
> 
> If each subscriber could also 'rally' a set of friends/contacts to bolster 
> numbers it might be a good excercise.


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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[graemehogg]

Hi all. As its a numbers game perhaps we should start with some.

Pip, how many single subscribers to FW are there?

If each subscriber could also 'rally' a set of friends/contacts to bolster 
numbers it might be a good excercise.


We could tap the FilmLabs list and the Kino Climates ones also, as well as 
any other lists people know off


So I am 1 subscriber. I think I could rally between 4 and 10 others.

Hard to put fiscal numbers on it, but we could be talking between $100 - 
several hundred each person.












































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On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, FrameWorks Admin wrote:


Hi Mike,
There is already an article about this from yesterday, because the price of 
Kodak shares jumped from $9 to $14 yesterday
before sliding down to $12 where it is now.
https://investorplace.com/2021/01/kodk-stock-11-things-to-know-about-kodak-today-as-shares-continue-to-climb/
9 million shares changed hands yesterday, so we would need $108 million between 
us experimental filmmakers to make a
difference. Any chance we can rally a buy?
The next annual Kodak stock shareholders meeting will take place on or around 
May 20. 
Pip


  On Jan 28, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Mike Morris  wrote:
Has anyone previously proposed filmmakers invested in celluloid filmmaking 
collectively purchase Kodak stock so that a
voting block could be formed to vote to have the company prioritize film 
production? I don't actually know if this is
possible or if there are enough of us to pull something like that off, but 
maybe there is someone here who knows a bit
more about how stocks work that could provide some insight? I've held a small 
amount of Kodak stock in my (meager)
retirement fund for a little while, and have wondered what involvement in the 
company this might look like.



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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[Nicole Baker Peterson]

I would be very interested in joining in on something like this.
Please keep me posted.
I don't have $108 million, but I have some hundreds.

Nicole Elaine Baker Peterson
Founder & Head Programmer, Media Monsters
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On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 2:53 PM FrameWorks Admin 
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
> There is already an article about this from yesterday, because the price
> of Kodak shares jumped from $9 to $14 yesterday before sliding down to $12
> where it is now.
>
> https://investorplace.com/2021/01/kodk-stock-11-things-to-know-about-kodak-today-as-shares-continue-to-climb/
> 9 million shares changed hands yesterday, so we would need $108 million
> between us experimental filmmakers to make a difference. Any chance we can
> rally a buy?
> The next annual Kodak stock shareholders meeting will take place on or
> around May 20.
> Pip
>
>
> On Jan 28, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Mike Morris  wrote:
> Has anyone previously proposed filmmakers invested in celluloid filmmaking
> collectively purchase Kodak stock so that a voting block could be formed to
> vote to have the company prioritize film production? I don't actually know
> if this is possible or if there are enough of us to pull something like
> that off, but maybe there is someone here who knows a bit more about how
> stocks work that could provide some insight? I've held a small amount of
> Kodak stock in my (meager) retirement fund for a little while, and have
> wondered what involvement in the company this might look like.
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Gamestop Kodak?

[FrameWorks Admin]

Hi Mike,
There is already an article about this from yesterday, because the price of 
Kodak shares jumped from $9 to $14 yesterday before sliding down to $12 where 
it is now.
https://investorplace.com/2021/01/kodk-stock-11-things-to-know-about-kodak-today-as-shares-continue-to-climb/
9 million shares changed hands yesterday, so we would need $108 million between 
us experimental filmmakers to make a difference. Any chance we can rally a buy?
The next annual Kodak stock shareholders meeting will take place on or around 
May 20. 
Pip


> On Jan 28, 2021, at 5:32 PM, Mike Morris  wrote:
> Has anyone previously proposed filmmakers invested in celluloid filmmaking 
> collectively purchase Kodak stock so that a voting block could be formed to 
> vote to have the company prioritize film production? I don't actually know if 
> this is possible or if there are enough of us to pull something like that 
> off, but maybe there is someone here who knows a bit more about how stocks 
> work that could provide some insight? I've held a small amount of Kodak stock 
> in my (meager) retirement fund for a little while, and have wondered what 
> involvement in the company this might look like. 

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