Re: [Frameworks] Food

2013-03-19 Thread Dennis Doros 
Sorry, but it's at home so I just don't have it in front of me.

Dennis

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Ryan Marino  wrote:

> What's the name of the Matta-Clark documentary?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:
>
>> "Bob Fiore" 
>>
>> Bob has also done a good documentary on Matta-Clark.
>>
>> And one of his very first jobs in film, PORTRAIT OF JASON, re-opens on
>> April 19th!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Dennis Doros
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>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chris Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Fiore has beautiful prints of many of Smithson's films. Don't know
>>> if he has this one. I'll try and suss out his contact. Scott B?
>>>
>>>
>>> > You can find it at EAI here .
>>> And the
>>> > Robert Frank collection is at the Houston MFA.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Dennis Doros
>>> > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>>> > PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>>> > Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
>>> > Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
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>>> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, graeme hogg
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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Re: [Frameworks] Food

2013-03-19 Thread Ryan Marino 
What's the name of the Matta-Clark documentary?

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> "Bob Fiore" 
>
> Bob has also done a good documentary on Matta-Clark.
>
> And one of his very first jobs in film, PORTRAIT OF JASON, re-opens on
> April 19th!
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
> Visit our new websites!  www.shirleyclarkefilms.com,
> www.comebackafrica.com  www.ontheboweryfilm.com
>  
> Support "Milestone Film" on 
> Facebook
>  and Twitter !
>
> See the website: Association of Moving Image 
> Archivists and
> like them on 
> Facebook
> AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 
> 5-9!
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chris Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Robert Fiore has beautiful prints of many of Smithson's films. Don't know
>> if he has this one. I'll try and suss out his contact. Scott B?
>>
>>
>> > You can find it at EAI here . And
>> the
>> > Robert Frank collection is at the Houston MFA.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Dennis Doros
>> > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
>> > PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
>> > Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
>> > Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
>> > Visit our new websites!  www.shirleyclarkefilms.com,
>> > www.comebackafrica.com
>> >   www.ontheboweryfilm.com
>> > 
>> > Support "Milestone Film" on
>> > Facebook
>> >  and Twitter !
>> >
>> > See the website: Association of Moving Image
>> > Archivists and
>> > like them on
>> > Facebook<
>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717
>> >
>> > AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November
>> > 5-9!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, graeme hogg
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
>> >> http://www.bristol-channel.**org/skomer<
>> http://www.bristol-channel.org/skomer>
>> >> http://www.cubecinema.com/
>> >> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Re: [Frameworks] Food

2013-03-19 Thread Dennis Doros 
"Bob Fiore" 

Bob has also done a good documentary on Matta-Clark.

And one of his very first jobs in film, PORTRAIT OF JASON, re-opens on
April 19th!

Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Chris Kennedy  wrote:

> Robert Fiore has beautiful prints of many of Smithson's films. Don't know
> if he has this one. I'll try and suss out his contact. Scott B?
>
>
> > You can find it at EAI here . And
> the
> > Robert Frank collection is at the Houston MFA.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Dennis Doros
> > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> > PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> > Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> > Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
> > Visit our new websites!  www.shirleyclarkefilms.com,
> > www.comebackafrica.com
> >   www.ontheboweryfilm.com
> > 
> > Support "Milestone Film" on
> > Facebook
> >  and Twitter !
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> > See the website: Association of Moving Image
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> > like them on
> > Facebook<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivists/86854559717
> >
> > AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November
> > 5-9!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, graeme hogg
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
> >> http://www.bristol-channel.**org/skomer<
> http://www.bristol-channel.org/skomer>
> >> http://www.cubecinema.com/
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Re: [Frameworks] Food

2013-03-19 Thread Chris Kennedy 
Robert Fiore has beautiful prints of many of Smithson's films. Don't know
if he has this one. I'll try and suss out his contact. Scott B?


> You can find it at EAI here . And the
> Robert Frank collection is at the Houston MFA.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Dennis Doros
> Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
> PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640
> Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com
> Visit our main website!  www.milestonefilms.com
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> www.comebackafrica.com
>   www.ontheboweryfilm.com
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> Support "Milestone Film" on
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> See the website: Association of Moving Image
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> AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November
> 5-9!
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>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, graeme hogg
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone know who holds 16mm copies of Matta-Clarks 'Food'?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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[Frameworks] Save Lolita: new film urges release of captive killer whale

2013-03-19 Thread Sandra Maliga 

http://news.mongabay.com/2013/0122-hance-lolita.html


Through his new 90-second PSA,Save Lolita, filmmaker Daniel Azarian wanted to 
connect people to the plight of Lolita on a deeply human level; the only 
problem: Lolita is an orca, also known as a killer whale. But the stark, moving 
PSA succeeds, given the sociability of an individual—human or orca—who was 
stolen from her family and held in captivity for the past 42 years at Miami's 
Seaquarium.



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[Frameworks] More animal abuse -- can films be effective at stopping this?

2013-03-19 Thread Sandra Maliga 
> From a list serve I read: America2.0

Wit's End writes:
> 
> No animal has ever committed suicide.
> 
> This is debatable.  You can easily find numerous stories along this line:
> 
> http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/are-bears-purposely-committing-suicide-to-protest-the-horror-of-bile-f
> 
> and also, Ric O'Barry, who spent many years capturing and training dolphins, 
> became a dolphin rescuer and protector after Lolita died purposely in his 
> arms (all sections of the video embedded here:  
> http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2012/02/blue-planet-prize-absolutely.html
> 
> I don't know if it's true but it seems pretty convincing if you watch it).
> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?

2013-03-19 Thread J Vent 
Just watched, very nice. thanks for the share!

JV


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:28 AM, peter humble  wrote:

> A profile of an artist in Australia active in this area:
> https://vimeo.com/36617488
>
> Regards,
> Peter
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Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM

2013-03-19 Thread kenneth curwood 
Edison and Topsy, the salad days of cinema.


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Brecht Debackere
wrote:

> 'Unsere Afrika Reise' by Peter Kubelka is a wonderful experimental film
> leaving behind a bitter taste and a feeling of disgust for people killing
> for fun in Africa;
> I'm not sure if there's elephants in there, but maybe it brings your love
> for experimental films and preservation together.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATUUtoipuc
>
> Brecht.
>
> ___
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>
>
> On 19 Mar 2013, at 15:33, David Baker wrote:
>
> I need to be clear and then I'll be quiet.
>
> I am not interested in thinking of ways to kill elephants.
>
> I stand in awe and wonder in front of all animals endangered and otherwise,
> I love all the living creatures of this planet.
> Right now today the Elephant is being wiped out with a brutality and
> efficacy
> not seen since we Americans destroyed the buffalo.
>
> A tiny group of human beings think that by making films
> about what is happening they may be able to educate
> those who would kill the elephants and those who buy ivory to the horror
> and stop the killing.
>
> The people who make the films are here:
>
> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
>
> African Environmental Film Foundation.
>
> ( As a point of information, in the African Elephants I am specifically
> speaking about,
> both male and female have tusks.)
>
> -DB
>
> PS:  where is Chris Marker when I need him?
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Sandra Maliga wrote:
>
> Not "advocating".  I don't want to see any elephants killed. I have no
> interest in ivory. I can't understand how there could be people who do not
> understand that elephants should never be killed. BUt there are. There are
> people who lie for money and people who listen to them.  Moreover people
> who like ivory have no respect for the law. And the laws are not enforced.
>
>  So what can be done?
>
> As I understand the Chinese, they are pretty pragmatic, if I can
> generalize. Maybe taking action to propose a way to get legitimate ivory
> could deflect some of the interest in illegal ivory.   Prohibition leads to
> crime, legalizing and controlling is better.
>
> When elephants could live and flourish in the wild there were natural
> deaths that left tusks.  If a herd was provided with space to thrive tusks
> could occasionally be found.  If the space was limited humans might be able
> to reverently "cull " the herd by painlessly killing "extra" males and
> gathering their tusks. A mother with young would never be killed by
> rational "keepers."
>
> Poachers are not concerned with keeping elephants alive; they care only
> for short term profit.  Poaching must be illegal.  Murdering mother
> elephants must be illegal.
>
> Perhaps another possibility is to pressure the Chinese government to
> enforce the laws.  I went to the Chinese news in English - CCTV site
> http://passport.cntv.cn/app_pass/verify/english/new/login.jsp?errtype=-5#
>
>  and they have articles about the threats to elephants.   So some Chinese
> are aware.  How do THEY propose to get the word out to those who buy ivory?
>
> - Sandy
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sandra Maliga  wrote:
>
> This is tragic and infuriating.
>
> Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If
> elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in
> China? Get the word out.
>
> Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd?
> They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd
> needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price
> ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior.
>
>  Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save
> animals.   How about showing some documentaries in China?  How about a
> message on every cell phone in China?  I'd give money for that.
>
> - Sandy Maliga
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker  wrote:
>
> Esteemed cohorts everyone,
>
> What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
> I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
> I love the complexity of elephant societies.
>
> Something amazing to read is:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
>
> Something important to see is:
> National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
>
> I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to
> these animals right now, today.
> More Elephants are being killed
> than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
> The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
> Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
> The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a
> frenzy.
> Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating whole herds.
> China is the

Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM

2013-03-19 Thread Brecht Debackere 
'Unsere Afrika Reise' by Peter Kubelka is a wonderful experimental film leaving 
behind a bitter taste and a feeling of disgust for people killing for fun in 
Africa; 
I'm not sure if there's elephants in there, but maybe it brings your love for 
experimental films and preservation together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SATUUtoipuc

Brecht.

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On 19 Mar 2013, at 15:33, David Baker wrote:

> I need to be clear and then I'll be quiet.
> 
> I am not interested in thinking of ways to kill elephants.
> 
> I stand in awe and wonder in front of all animals endangered and otherwise,
> I love all the living creatures of this planet. 
> Right now today the Elephant is being wiped out with a brutality and efficacy
> not seen since we Americans destroyed the buffalo.
> 
> A tiny group of human beings think that by making films 
> about what is happening they may be able to educate 
> those who would kill the elephants and those who buy ivory to the horror and 
> stop the killing.
> 
> The people who make the films are here:
> 
> http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate
> 
> African Environmental Film Foundation.
> 
> ( As a point of information, in the African Elephants I am specifically 
> speaking about,
> both male and female have tusks.)
> 
> -DB
> 
> PS:  where is Chris Marker when I need him?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Sandra Maliga wrote:
> 
>> Not "advocating".  I don't want to see any elephants killed. I have no 
>> interest in ivory. I can't understand how there could be people who do not 
>> understand that elephants should never be killed. BUt there are. There are 
>> people who lie for money and people who listen to them.  Moreover people who 
>> like ivory have no respect for the law. And the laws are not enforced.
>> 
>>  So what can be done?  
>> 
>> As I understand the Chinese, they are pretty pragmatic, if I can generalize. 
>> Maybe taking action to propose a way to get legitimate ivory could deflect 
>> some of the interest in illegal ivory.   Prohibition leads to crime, 
>> legalizing and controlling is better.
>> 
>> When elephants could live and flourish in the wild there were natural deaths 
>> that left tusks.  If a herd was provided with space to thrive tusks could 
>> occasionally be found.  If the space was limited humans might be able to 
>> reverently "cull " the herd by painlessly killing "extra" males and 
>> gathering their tusks. A mother with young would never be killed by rational 
>> "keepers."  
>> 
>> Poachers are not concerned with keeping elephants alive; they care only for 
>> short term profit.  Poaching must be illegal.  Murdering mother elephants 
>> must be illegal.
>> 
>> Perhaps another possibility is to pressure the Chinese government to enforce 
>> the laws.  I went to the Chinese news in English - CCTV site   
>> http://passport.cntv.cn/app_pass/verify/english/new/login.jsp?errtype=-5#
>> 
>>  and they have articles about the threats to elephants.   So some Chinese 
>> are aware.  How do THEY propose to get the word out to those who buy ivory? 
>> 
>> - Sandy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sandra Maliga  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is tragic and infuriating.
>>> 
>>> Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are threatened? If 
>>> elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY. Don't they have media in 
>>> China? Get the word out. 
>>> 
>>> Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own herd? They 
>>> could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory when the herd 
>>> needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory will drive the price 
>>> ever higher. They could promote "homegrown" ivory as superior.
>>> 
>>>  Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but don't save 
>>> animals.   How about showing some documentaries in China?  How about a 
>>> message on every cell phone in China?  I'd give money for that.
>>> 
>>> - Sandy Maliga
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker  wrote:
>>> 
 Esteemed cohorts everyone,
 
 What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
 I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the wild.
 I love the complexity of elephant societies.
 
 Something amazing to read is:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition
 
 Something important to see is:
 National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)
 
 I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is happening to 
 these animals right now, today.
 More Elephants are being killed
 than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the earth.
 The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
 Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
 The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it as a 
 frenzy.
>>>

Re: [Frameworks] ELEPHANTS AND FILM

2013-03-19 Thread David Baker 

I need to be clear and then I'll be quiet.

I am not interested in thinking of ways to kill elephants.

I stand in awe and wonder in front of all animals endangered and  
otherwise,

I love all the living creatures of this planet.
Right now today the Elephant is being wiped out with a brutality and  
efficacy

not seen since we Americans destroyed the buffalo.

A tiny group of human beings think that by making films
about what is happening they may be able to educate
those who would kill the elephants and those who buy ivory to the  
horror and stop the killing.


The people who make the films are here:

http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate

African Environmental Film Foundation.

( As a point of information, in the African Elephants I am  
specifically speaking about,

both male and female have tusks.)

-DB

PS:  where is Chris Marker when I need him?




On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:06 AM, Sandra Maliga wrote:

Not "advocating".  I don't want to see any elephants killed. I have  
no interest in ivory. I can't understand how there could be people  
who do not understand that elephants should never be killed. BUt  
there are. There are people who lie for money and people who listen  
to them.  Moreover people who like ivory have no respect for the  
law. And the laws are not enforced.


 So what can be done?

As I understand the Chinese, they are pretty pragmatic, if I can  
generalize. Maybe taking action to propose a way to get legitimate  
ivory could deflect some of the interest in illegal ivory.
Prohibition leads to crime, legalizing and controlling is better.


When elephants could live and flourish in the wild there were  
natural deaths that left tusks.  If a herd was provided with space  
to thrive tusks could occasionally be found.  If the space was  
limited humans might be able to reverently "cull " the herd by  
painlessly killing "extra" males and gathering their tusks. A mother  
with young would never be killed by rational "keepers."


Poachers are not concerned with keeping elephants alive; they care  
only for short term profit.  Poaching must be illegal.  Murdering  
mother elephants must be illegal.


Perhaps another possibility is to pressure the Chinese government to  
enforce the laws.  I went to the Chinese news in English - CCTV  
site   http://passport.cntv.cn/app_pass/verify/english/new/login.jsp?errtype=-5#


 and they have articles about the threats to elephants.   So some  
Chinese are aware.  How do THEY propose to get the word out to those  
who buy ivory?


- Sandy



On Mar 18, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Sandra Maliga  wrote:


This is tragic and infuriating.

Why can't anyone tell the Chinese people that elephants are  
threatened? If elephants are extinct there will be NO MORE IVORY.  
Don't they have media in China? Get the word out.


Why don't the Chinese import some elephants and start their own  
herd? They could manage them carefully and eventually harvest ivory  
when the herd needs thinning. No matter the cost; demand for ivory  
will drive the price ever higher. They could promote "homegrown"  
ivory as superior.


 Documentaries shown in the US and Europe make us feel bad but  
don't save animals.   How about showing some documentaries in  
China?  How about a message on every cell phone in China?  I'd give  
money for that.


- Sandy Maliga




On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:02 AM, David Baker  wrote:


Esteemed cohorts everyone,

What I really love besides Experimental Film are Elephants.
I LOVE all Elephants but especially those that live free in the  
wild.

I love the complexity of elephant societies.

Something amazing to read is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_cognition

Something important to see is:
National Geographic - Battle For The Elephants (2013)

I hope everybody on this forum is aware of the horror that is  
happening to these animals right now, today.

More Elephants are being killed
than are being born. They are being wiped out, expunged from the  
earth.

The numbers of those massacred are crazy.
Last year 30,000 elephants were murdered.
The killing rate is accelerating. The New York Times describes it  
as a frenzy.
Horribly helicopters and machine guns do the job annihilating  
whole herds.

China is the problem.
The CHINESE demand the elephant's ivory tusks to make ludicrous  
carved luxury goods.


If there is hope it might be through FILM.

Apparently, ridiculously the burgeoning Chinese middle class  
thinks elephant tusks fall out naturally.

They call them elephant teeth.
Using film to educate in Africa and China may be the elephants  
last best hope.


The Experimental Film community can contribute importantly and  
make a difference.
Kickstarter it isn't, but If you want to help or know of a  
cognizant compassionate human being who does

please go here:


http://africanenvironmentalfilms.squarespace.com/donate

or here

http://www.savetheelephants.org/home.html


If you are a teacher please share this with your students.
T

Re: [Frameworks] Anyone else like me out there?

2013-03-19 Thread peter humble 
A profile of an artist in Australia active in this area:
https://vimeo.com/36617488

Regards,
Peter

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