Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Will Erokan]

I run an experimental cable access show called Here Comes Everybody. We
screen in a number of cities* across the US, and we don't have submission
fees.
Please, do not hesitate to submit work.. Due to time restrictions we'd have
a hard time screening anything longer than 28 minutes, ideally we're
looking for pieces 0-10 minutes in length.
You can find our episodes archived on youtube here..
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyP_qMpFYsPugsG0t_wnH64OV3LmQYmlj
Send your links to hcet...@gmail.com

Likewise, if you're connected to a PEG channel and you'd like to run our
show.. Please let me know and I can start delivering episodes immediately.

-will erokan

*We broadcast regularly in Los Angeles, Portland OR, Waukegan IL, North
Liberty IA, Ithaca NY, etc

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:22 PM Adam Hyman  wrote:

> Yes, thank you.  That is what I was asking.
> We just had a great discussion about this at a panel of
> programmers/directors at Experiments in Cinema.
> In the US, there generally is not much government money on any level to
> support film festivals, let alone their prizes.  Thus, to compare a
> European festival to a US one is not so simple when it comes to funding,
> submission fees, awards, etc.
>
> Mind you, I don’t run a festival, but a weekly screening series, but back
> to Dominic’s original question, it is dependent on finding facilities,
> people, audiences, and money to make a festival longer.  Most people I know
> who run festivals are burned out after their current durations, so making
> it longer isn’t physically feasible.  Attendees also burn out.  Theaters
> want to get back to their regular programming.  Volunteers need to return
> to paying jobs.  It seems like most US festivals have a tough time raising
> enough money to put on the festivals that they currently have.  Even with
> submission fees increasing with the number of submissions (and it’s
> debatable whether those are proper anyway), that isn’t enough for all the
> requirements of a festival.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> From: FrameWorks  on behalf of
> Marcin Gizycki 
> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <
> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" 
> Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:54 PM
> To: "Experimental Film Discussion List " <
> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
> Adam,
>
> Are you asking where the money for our awards comes from? Mostly from the
> city of Poznan. Also from the Polish Film Institute and other public
> institutions.
>
> Best,
>
> Marcin
>
>
>
> *From:* FrameWorks  *On Behalf Of
> *Adam Hyman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:38 PM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List  <
> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> Paid for by whom?
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From: *FrameWorks  on behalf of
> Marcin Gizycki 
> *Reply-To: *"Experimental Film Discussion List <
> frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM
> *To: *"Experimental Film Discussion List "
> 
> *Subject: *Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> Ok., Tim,
>
> I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at
> Animator equals $15,000.
>
> Best,
>
> Marcin
>
>
>
> *From:* FrameWorks  *On Behalf Of
> *Dimitrije Martinovic
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to
> collaborator with anyone interested in trying this one.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran 
> wrote:
>
> Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious.
> Just saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival
> paradigm. DIY.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:
>
> Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time
> ago: Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix
> equals $1500 thousand dollars.
>
> Yours,
>
> Marcin
>
>
>
> *From:* FrameWorks  *On Behalf Of
> *Chris Lange
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury
> to do a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important
> work, which for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs
> configuration.  Though, it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the
> sometimes difficult and time-consuming work of assessing all of these
> films.
>
>
>
> If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not
> pay some of the artists?
>
>
>
> It also seems like this is a case-by-case.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
>
>
>
> Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Sen

Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Adam Hyman]

Yes, thank you.  That is what I was asking.
We just had a great discussion about this at a panel of
programmers/directors at Experiments in Cinema.
In the US, there generally is not much government money on any level to
support film festivals, let alone their prizes.  Thus, to compare a European
festival to a US one is not so simple when it comes to funding, submission
fees, awards, etc. 

Mind you, I don¹t run a festival, but a weekly screening series, but back to
Dominic¹s original question, it is dependent on finding facilities, people,
audiences, and money to make a festival longer.  Most people I know who run
festivals are burned out after their current durations, so making it longer
isn¹t physically feasible.  Attendees also burn out.  Theaters want to get
back to their regular programming.  Volunteers need to return to paying
jobs.  It seems like most US festivals have a tough time raising enough
money to put on the festivals that they currently have.  Even with
submission fees increasing with the number of submissions (and it¹s
debatable whether those are proper anyway), that isn¹t enough for all the
requirements of a festival.

Best regards,

Adam 



From:  FrameWorks  on behalf of
Marcin Gizycki 
Reply-To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List
" 
Date:  Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:54 PM
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List "

Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Adam,
Are you asking where the money for our awards comes from? Mostly from the
city of Poznan. Also from the Polish Film Institute and other public
institutions. 
Best,
Marcin
 

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Adam
Hyman
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:38 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 

Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
 

Paid for by whom?

 

Best,

 

Adam

 

From: FrameWorks  on behalf of
Marcin Gizycki 
Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List
" 
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List "

Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

 

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at
Animator equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin
 
From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of
Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
 

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to
collaborator with anyone interested in trying this one.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran  wrote:
> 
> Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just
> saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival
> paradigm. DIY. 
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago:
>> Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals
>> $1500 thousand dollars.
>> Yours,
>> Marcin 
>>  
>> 
>> From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Chris
>> Lange
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>>  
>> Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to
>> do a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That¹s important work,
>> which for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.
>> Though, it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes
>> difficult and time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If they¹re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay
>> some of the artists?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It also seems like this is a case-by-case.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki >>  > wrote:
 
 I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not
 giving much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
 
 Marcin
 
  
 
 From: FrameWorks >>>  > On Behalf Of
 o...@thenowcorporation.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
 To: Experimental Film Discussion List >>>  >
 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
 
  
 festival scams.
 
 Owen
 
  
 
  
 
 
 On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street >>>  > wrote:
> 
> There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the
> breathless intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated
> me.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Street
> 
> www.markstreetfilm

Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

Adam,
Are you asking where the money for our awards comes from? Mostly from the city 
of Poznan. Also from the Polish Film Institute and other public institutions.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Adam 
Hyman
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 11:38 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List  

Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Paid for by whom?

Best,

Adam

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 on behalf of Marcin Gizycki mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>>
Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>" 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM
To: "Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>" 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at Animator 
equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to collaborator 
with anyone interested in trying this one.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just 
saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival 
paradigm. DIY.

Tim
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Chris Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That's important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they're making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.





On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of o...@thenowcorporation.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

A question to the community

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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Adam Hyman]

Paid for by whom?

Best,

Adam

From:  FrameWorks  on behalf of
Marcin Gizycki 
Reply-To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List
" 
Date:  Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM
To:  "Experimental Film Discussion List "

Subject:  Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at
Animator equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin
 
From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of
Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
 

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to
collaborator with anyone interested in trying this one.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran  wrote:
> 
> Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just
> saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival
> paradigm. DIY. 
> 
>  
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:
>> 
>> Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago:
>> Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals
>> $1500 thousand dollars.
>> Yours,
>> Marcin 
>>  
>> 
>> From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Chris
>> Lange
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>>  
>> Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to
>> do a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That¹s important work,
>> which for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.
>> Though, it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes
>> difficult and time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If they¹re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay
>> some of the artists?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It also seems like this is a case-by-case.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki >>  > wrote:
 
 I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not
 giving much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
 
 Marcin
 
  
 
 From: FrameWorks >>>  > On Behalf Of
 o...@thenowcorporation.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
 To: Experimental Film Discussion List >>>  >
 Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
 
  
 festival scams.
 
 Owen
 
  
 
  
 
 
 On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street >>>  > wrote:
> 
> There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the
> breathless intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated
> me.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark Street
> 
> www.markstreetfilms.com 
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame
> mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> 
>> Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number
>> of entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should
>> not the scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the
>> record numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the
>> festivals. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A question to the community
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Nicole Baker]

Wow Scott thank you. That was super informative! And fascinating.
So, just for the fun of it let me ask, what happens if you process
kodachrome in C41 chemistry? Anything? Mud?
I'm just starting out doing my own processing and I cannot get enough of
the chemistry.
Thanks again!


On Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:23 PM Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> Oh, you could probably get a K-14 line running.  Dwayne's Photo had one
> running a few years ago and still has the analytic chemist on staff
> although they don't have some of the other people on the line.
>
> The problem with K-14, which is also the wonderful thing about it, is
> that the dyes are not in the individual film layers.  So you have to
> develop it to B&W images, then bleach out the silver, then expose it to
> red light to get a positive latent image on the top red layer, develop
> it into B&W images, attach a red dye to the developed silver, bleach
> out the silver, expose it to green light to get a positive latent image
> on the green layer, develop it into B&W images, attach a green dye to
> the developed silver, bleach out the silver, expose it to blue light
> to get a positive latent image on the blue layer, develop it into B&W
> images, attach a blue due to developed silver, bleach out the silver,
> then remove all residual halides and harden the emulsion.
>
> This is leaving out all the stop baths and clearing baths.
>
> So you have three B&W developers involved, all of which are designed to
> have -slightly- different curves and which have to be kept under control
> by a chemist to make sure they hit the curves perfectly.  If you think
> crossover on E-6 is a nightmare, this is way worse because you have
> independent control over everything.
>
> Then you have three color re-exposures which have to be done precisely
> and cleanly.  The process control is very elaborate.  Very small changes
> can effect color a lot, so you are pretty much stuck with a big roller
> transport system and nitrogen burst agitation.  The one that Kodak had
> in Hawaii was over two miles long from end to end.
>
> With E-6 pretty much all the chemicals can be made up from common reagents
> except for the color developer.  With K-14 you have all kinds of dyes and
> dye couplers that have to be synthesized specifically for the K-14 lab.
> It's something that can be done, but it's nontrivial.
>
> Oh yeah... and to do all of that process control, you need not only to be
> able to do constant titration but also to run pc strips... and Kodak is not
> going to sell you brand new Kodachrome pc strips anymore.  I suspect that
> running out of strips is what finally got Duane's to shut their K-14 line
> down.
>
> The cool thing: because the dyes are added in after the fact and aren't
> part
> of the emulsion, you can use a much wider variety of possible dyes when you
> design the process.. dyes with a wider color gamut and much better
> stability
> than conventional Kodak-process color films.  This is why in the 21st
> century
> the one Kodak process that should have survived into the digital world is
> Kodachrome because it is so valuable as a long-term archiving material.
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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Marcin Gizycki]

Ok., Tim,
I understand. One correction to my previous email. The Grand Prix at Animator 
equals $15,000.
Best,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of 
Dimitrije Martinovic
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 8:39 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to collaborator 
with anyone interested in trying this one.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just 
saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival 
paradigm. DIY.

Tim
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Chris Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.





On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of o...@thenowcorporation.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

A question to the community

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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Dimitrije Martinovic]

I agree with you, DIY-start your own screenings,  I would love to
collaborator with anyone interested in trying this one.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 8:06 PM Tim Halloran  wrote:

> Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious.
> Just saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival
> paradigm. DIY.
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:
>
> Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time
> ago: Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix
> equals $1500 thousand dollars.
>
> Yours,
>
> Marcin
>
>
>
> *From:* FrameWorks  *On Behalf Of
> *Chris Lange
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury
> to do a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important
> work, which for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs
> configuration.  Though, it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the
> sometimes difficult and time-consuming work of assessing all of these
> films.
>
>
>
> If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not
> pay some of the artists?
>
>
>
> It also seems like this is a case-by-case.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
>
>
>
> Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki  wrote:
>
> I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not
> giving much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
>
> Marcin
>
>
>
> *From:* FrameWorks  *On Behalf
> Of *o...@thenowcorporation.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
> *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List 
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>
>
>
> festival scams.
>
> Owen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street  wrote:
>
> There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the
> breathless intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated
> me.
>
>
>
> Mark Street
>
> www.markstreetfilms.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame <
> dominic.anger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of
> entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not
> the scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record
> numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.
>
>
>
> A question to the community
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Scott Dorsey]

Oh, you could probably get a K-14 line running.  Dwayne's Photo had one 
running a few years ago and still has the analytic chemist on staff
although they don't have some of the other people on the line.

The problem with K-14, which is also the wonderful thing about it, is
that the dyes are not in the individual film layers.  So you have to 
develop it to B&W images, then bleach out the silver, then expose it to
red light to get a positive latent image on the top red layer, develop
it into B&W images, attach a red dye to the developed silver, bleach 
out the silver, expose it to green light to get a positive latent image 
on the green layer, develop it into B&W images, attach a green dye to 
the developed silver, bleach out the silver, expose it to blue light
to get a positive latent image on the blue layer, develop it into B&W
images, attach a blue due to developed silver, bleach out the silver,
then remove all residual halides and harden the emulsion.

This is leaving out all the stop baths and clearing baths.

So you have three B&W developers involved, all of which are designed to
have -slightly- different curves and which have to be kept under control
by a chemist to make sure they hit the curves perfectly.  If you think
crossover on E-6 is a nightmare, this is way worse because you have 
independent control over everything.

Then you have three color re-exposures which have to be done precisely
and cleanly.  The process control is very elaborate.  Very small changes
can effect color a lot, so you are pretty much stuck with a big roller
transport system and nitrogen burst agitation.  The one that Kodak had
in Hawaii was over two miles long from end to end.

With E-6 pretty much all the chemicals can be made up from common reagents
except for the color developer.  With K-14 you have all kinds of dyes and
dye couplers that have to be synthesized specifically for the K-14 lab.
It's something that can be done, but it's nontrivial.

Oh yeah... and to do all of that process control, you need not only to be
able to do constant titration but also to run pc strips... and Kodak is not
going to sell you brand new Kodachrome pc strips anymore.  I suspect that
running out of strips is what finally got Duane's to shut their K-14 line
down.

The cool thing: because the dyes are added in after the fact and aren't part
of the emulsion, you can use a much wider variety of possible dyes when you
design the process.. dyes with a wider color gamut and much better stability
than conventional Kodak-process color films.  This is why in the 21st century
the one Kodak process that should have survived into the digital world is
Kodachrome because it is so valuable as a long-term archiving material.  
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Ed Inman]

There have been some experiments along these lines, but the process is quite complicated and Eastman Kodak no longer supplies the chemistry. Wiki spells out the basic K-14 steps here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-14_process-Original Message-
From: Colin Brant 
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I would be curious to hear from anyone able to cast light on why Kodachrome can't be processed as intended. After years of hearing the simple "no" I'd be interested to know the more complicated, chemical reason. Anybody?


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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Tim Halloran]

Marcin, why did you assume I was being sarcastic? I was quite serious. Just 
saying we should stop crying about it and reimagine the whole festival 
paradigm. DIY.

Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of Chris Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.






On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
 On Behalf Of o...@thenowcorporation.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



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mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Colin Brant]

I would be curious to hear from anyone able to cast light on *why*
Kodachrome can't be processed as intended. After years of hearing the
simple "no" I'd be interested to know the more complicated, chemical
reason. Anybody?

*Ektachrome* -- as far as I know, the new formulation is only available in
the still 35mm and S8mm formats, while 16mm is still being promised for the
near future. But there is lots of old Ektachrome out there on ebay etc...

-cb

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 3:06 PM Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> Kodachrome cannot be processed to a color image any longer.  Not K-14, not
> K-12, no way, no how.
>
> You can process it to a B&W image but what you get is poorer quality than
> what you'd get if you'd just shot B&W film.
>
> However, there is now a usable 16mm Ektachrome stock if you like that
> reversal look.  It runs E-6.
> --scott
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[Marcin Gizycki]

Tim, sarcasm is not necessary here. I started such a festival long time ago: 
Animator in Poznan, Poland. We do not charge any fee and the Grad Prix equals 
$1500 thousand dollars.
Yours,
Marcin

From: FrameWorks  On Behalf Of Chris 
Lange
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.






On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran 
mailto:televis...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim
Sent from my iPad

On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki 
mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
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To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



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There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

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mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
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scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
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Maybe they should provide more money to the festival film viewers / jury to do 
a fully honest and cognizant job of selecting.  That’s important work, which 
for some festivals sometimes seems like a bit of a bs configuration.  Though, 
it is the festival viewer / critic that spends the sometimes difficult and 
time-consuming work of assessing all of these films.  

If they’re making more money and not expanding their festivals, why not pay 
some of the artists?

It also seems like this is a case-by-case.





> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:29 PM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
> 
> Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.
> 
> Tim
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Marcin Gizycki  > wrote:
> 
>> I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not 
>> giving much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
>> Marcin
>>  
>> From: FrameWorks > > On Behalf Of 
>> o...@thenowcorporation.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 5:52 PM
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List > >
>> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues
>>  
>> festival scams.
>> 
>> Owen
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street > > wrote:
>> 
>> There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
>> intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.
>>  
>> Mark Street
>> www.markstreetfilms.com 
>>  
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame > > wrote:
>> Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
>> entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
>> scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record 
>> numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals. 
>>  
>> A question to the community
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Brian Wilson]

As others have stated, Kodachrome may not be the best option, but the new 
Ektachrome would certainly be viable and give you something in the realm of 
what you’re looking for. 

Brian Wilson 

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> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Jon Behrens  wrote:
> 
> I would alike to help, but I think finding Kodachrome might be a stretch, but 
> not impossible , does it have to be Kodachrome?
> 
> Jon
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Ed Inman  wrote:
> 
>> Kodachrome has some silver content so it can be processed as black & white. 
>> I used to do this to Super 8 Kodachrome films in the 70s using a standard 
>> b/w reversal formula. 
>> The only person I'm aware of who claims to be able to process it in color is 
>> Kelly-Shane Fuller of Piratelogy Studios but only in still camera lengths. 
>> https://shootfilmco.com/blogs/shoot-film-co/kodachrome-processed-in-color-seriously
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Mark Street 
>> Sent: Apr 30, 2019 4:30 PM 
>> To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>> Subject: [Frameworks] Kodachrome 
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> My former teacher and friend Barbara Hammer asked me to finish a film for 
>> her; she gave me the material before she died.  She asked 4 of us to do so; 
>> I'm turning my attention to the project now.
>> 
>> I had a crazy idea of shooting some Kodachrome.  Any way to purchase this 
>> outdated stock?  Any way of processing it assuming I can find a roll or two?
>> 
>> all the best,
>> Mark Street
>> www.markstreetfilms.com
>> 
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[Tim Halloran]

Start your own filmmaker-friendly festivals.

Tim

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mailto:mgizy...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

From: FrameWorks 
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Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

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mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

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[Marcin Gizycki]

I am bothered more by the fact that festivals charge a lot of money not giving 
much in exchange. Most of them simply exploits filmmakers.
Marcin

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festival scams.
Owen



On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street 
mailto:mstreet...@gmail.com>> wrote:
There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
mailto:dominic.anger...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record numbers. 
Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Scott Dorsey]

Kodachrome cannot be processed to a color image any longer.  Not K-14, not
K-12, no way, no how.

You can process it to a B&W image but what you get is poorer quality than
what you'd get if you'd just shot B&W film.

However, there is now a usable 16mm Ektachrome stock if you like that
reversal look.  It runs E-6.
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[Jon Behrens]

I would alike to help, but I think finding Kodachrome might be a stretch, but 
not impossible , does it have to be Kodachrome?

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Ed Inman 
mailto:edin...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Kodachrome has some silver content so it can be processed as black & white. I 
used to do this to Super 8 Kodachrome films in the 70s using a standard b/w 
reversal formula.
The only person I'm aware of who claims to be able to process it in color is 
Kelly-Shane Fuller of Piratelogy Studios but only 
in still camera lengths.
https://shootfilmco.com/blogs/shoot-film-co/kodachrome-processed-in-color-seriously

-Original Message-
From: Mark Street
Sent: Apr 30, 2019 4:30 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List
Subject: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

Dear All,
My former teacher and friend Barbara Hammer asked me to finish a film for her; 
she gave me the material before she died.  She asked 4 of us to do so; I'm 
turning my attention to the project now.

I had a crazy idea of shooting some Kodachrome.  Any way to purchase this 
outdated stock?  Any way of processing it assuming I can find a roll or two?

all the best,
Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com


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festival scams.

Owen



> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:31 PM, Mark Street  wrote:
> 
> There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the breathless 
> intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated me.
> 
> Mark Street
> www.markstreetfilms.com
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
>>  wrote:
>> Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of 
>> entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not the 
>> scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record 
>> numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals. 
>> 
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Re: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Ed Inman]

Kodachrome has some silver content so it can be processed as black & white. I used to do this to Super 8 Kodachrome films in the 70s using a standard b/w reversal formula. The only person I'm aware of who claims to be able to process it in color is Kelly-Shane Fuller of Piratelogy Studios but only in still camera lengths. https://shootfilmco.com/blogs/shoot-film-co/kodachrome-processed-in-color-seriously-Original Message-
From: Mark Street 
Sent: Apr 30, 2019 4:30 PM
To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
Subject: [Frameworks] Kodachrome

Dear All,My former teacher and friend Barbara Hammer asked me to finish a film for her; she gave me the material before she died.  She asked 4 of us to do so; I'm turning my attention to the project now.I had a crazy idea of shooting some Kodachrome.  Any way to purchase this outdated stock?  Any way of processing it assuming I can find a roll or two?all the best,Mark Streetwww.markstreetfilms.com

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[Frameworks] Kodachrome

[Mark Street]

Dear All,
My former teacher and friend Barbara Hammer asked me to finish a film for
her; she gave me the material before she died.  She asked 4 of us to do so;
I'm turning my attention to the project now.

I had a crazy idea of shooting some Kodachrome.  Any way to purchase this
outdated stock?  Any way of processing it assuming I can find a roll or two?

all the best,
Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Mark Street]

There's not good way to hear "we didn't take your film".  But the
breathless intro  "We got 5 million entries!..." has always irritated
me.

Mark Street
www.markstreetfilms.com

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 5:11 PM Dominic Angerame 
wrote:

> Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of
> entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not
> the scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record
> numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.
>
> A question to the community
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[Frameworks] Film Festival Blues

[Dominic Angerame]

Every film festival is telling me that they have received record number of
entries from hundreds to thousands. If entries are increasing should not
the scope and duration of the festivals increase to accommodate the record
numbers. Increased entries also mean increased income to the festivals.

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Re: [Frameworks] LightPress Grants July 2019

[kirstenl]

Jon, Yes that does help. Thank you for the quick response. Kirsten

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:04 PM Jon Behrens  wrote:

> Hi Kirsten
> The application is for one filmmaker, that can use it for what ever they
> choose
> It is a 3 hour session at LightPress
>
> Hope that helps
> Jon
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, kirstenl  wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> Thank you for sharing this exciting opportunity. I am working with a
> filmmaker to help her revive a couple of her legacy titles that originated
> on film back in the 1980s. She has two films (a print & interpolative, I
> believe) that need scanning. Does the lightpress grant allow for more than
> one application from the same applicant in a single grant round? Or should
> she just apply for one for this grant round and then potentially apply for
> another through the next grant cycle?
>
> Thank you and please let me know if I should send this question to anyone
> else at Interbay Cinema Society.
>
> Best regards,
> Kirsten Larvick
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:23 AM Jon Behrens  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Frameworkers ! These LightPress grants that we have been doing are
>> becoming very popular ! You have until June 1st to apply for the next
>> round of LightPress grants to be given out July 1st apply now!
>>
>> *LIGHTPRESS GRANTS*
>> One of the things that ICS does are the LightPress grants, 10 of these
>> are giving out twice a year -  January 1st and July 1st.These are 3 hour
>> vouchers to use at LightPress to have really nice 2 and 4K scans of your 16
>> & 35mm films made. These are a $1200 value. Since July 2016 ICS have given
>> out $58,000 in these grants.
>> visit us online
>> interbaycinemasociety.org
>> 
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] LightPress Grants July 2019

[Jon Behrens]

Hi Kirsten
The application is for one filmmaker, that can use it for what ever they choose
It is a 3 hour session at LightPress

Hope that helps
Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 30, 2019, at 9:47 AM, kirstenl 
mailto:kirstene...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Jon,

Thank you for sharing this exciting opportunity. I am working with a filmmaker 
to help her revive a couple of her legacy titles that originated on film back 
in the 1980s. She has two films (a print & interpolative, I believe) that need 
scanning. Does the lightpress grant allow for more than one application from 
the same applicant in a single grant round? Or should she just apply for one 
for this grant round and then potentially apply for another through the next 
grant cycle?

Thank you and please let me know if I should send this question to anyone else 
at Interbay Cinema Society.

Best regards,
Kirsten Larvick


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:23 AM Jon Behrens 
mailto:bolex...@msn.com>> wrote:


Hi Frameworkers ! These LightPress grants that we have been doing are becoming 
very popular ! You have until June 1st to apply for the next round of 
LightPress grants to be given out July 1st apply now!

LIGHTPRESS GRANTS
One of the things that ICS does are the LightPress grants, 10 of these are 
giving out twice a year -  January 1st and July 1st.These are 3 hour vouchers 
to use at LightPress to have really nice 2 and 4K scans of your 16 & 35mm films 
made. These are a $1200 value. Since July 2016 ICS have given out $58,000 in 
these grants.
visit us online
interbaycinemasociety.org

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[Frameworks] New noise work

[Jaime Cleeland]

https://archive.org/details/OLDSCHOOLNOISE

Enjoy,
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Re: [Frameworks] Critics, curators based in Germany

[Chris G]

Hi Pablo,

It might interest you to know that there’s a new group of film-related people 
in Germany: http://www.hvcinephilie.de who are basically working towards 
developing a greater dynamic in film curation, criticism, festival programming, 
public film funds, etc...

Sarah Adam is someone that comes to mind, she leads the experimental section of 
the Hamburg Short Film Festival and is involved with other festivals and 
institutions. 

Cheers,
Christopher

> On Apr 28, 2019, at 15:46, Pablo Marin  wrote:
> 
> Hello frameworkers,
> 
> For a project I would love to know more about critics, curators and 
> researchers of experimental film based in Germany. Preferably in Berlin but 
> all Germany is good too.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks a lot for your time,
> Pablo Marín
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Re: [Frameworks] LightPress Grants July 2019

[kirstenl]

Jon,

Thank you for sharing this exciting opportunity. I am working with a
filmmaker to help her revive a couple of her legacy titles that originated
on film back in the 1980s. She has two films (a print & interpolative, I
believe) that need scanning. Does the lightpress grant allow for more than
one application from the same applicant in a single grant round? Or should
she just apply for one for this grant round and then potentially apply for
another through the next grant cycle?

Thank you and please let me know if I should send this question to anyone
else at Interbay Cinema Society.

Best regards,
Kirsten Larvick


On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:23 AM Jon Behrens  wrote:

>
>
> Hi Frameworkers ! These LightPress grants that we have been doing are
> becoming very popular ! You have until June 1st to apply for the next
> round of LightPress grants to be given out July 1st apply now!
>
> *LIGHTPRESS GRANTS*
> One of the things that ICS does are the LightPress grants, 10 of these are
> giving out twice a year -  January 1st and July 1st.These are 3 hour
> vouchers to use at LightPress to have really nice 2 and 4K scans of your 16
> & 35mm films made. These are a $1200 value. Since July 2016 ICS have given
> out $58,000 in these grants.
> visit us online
> interbaycinemasociety.org
> 
>
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[Frameworks] looking for super8 and 16mm Film Developing Machine

[franco base]

Hi all
In Unzalab/Milan we are looking for a
super8 and a 16mm Film Developing Machine.
Is There anyone can help us?

Thanks
Francesco
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Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or Experimental Media

[Alex Morelli]

Hi Albert,

I have one more for you: *Minotaur *(1998) by Daniel Sousa,
https://vimeo.com/44050358

Best of luck!

-Alex

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:42 AM Albert Alcoz  wrote:

> Thank you very much for all for the valuable information i have received
> concerning labyrinths and experimental film.
>
> I will check all those links with time in order to write an essay about
> the ideas behind this connection.
>
> All the best,
> Albert
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:13 PM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
> wrote:
>
>> Claes Söderquist - Labyrinth (2013)
>> Excerpt: https://vimeo.com/112068727
>>
>>
>> Daniel A. Swarthnas
>> Filmmaker / Curator / Writer
>> Cinema Parenthèse
>> swarth...@mail.com
>> +46(0)705778603
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 at 8:50 PM
>> *From:* "Nicole Baker" 
>> *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" > >
>> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or
>> Experimental Media
>> Thanks! I'll check it out
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 3:48 PM Dinorah  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Nicole,
>>>
>>> The project blog is at elusivelandscape.blogspot.com and my website is
>>> at solislandmediaworks.com. you can find press on the piece on the
>>> Press page. thank you for your interest in my work.
>>>
>>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>>> Multimedia Artist
>>>
>>> El abr. 28, 2019, a la(s) 6:34 p. m., Seth Pimlott <
>>> seth.piml...@network.rca.ac.uk> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>> Slight tangent but William English’s recent film ‘it’s my own invention’
>>> is a brilliant film about getting lost in a kind of labyrinth of the mind:
>>>
>>> https://lux.org.uk/work/its-my-own-invention
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 11:01, Albert Alcoz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 I'm doing a research about the presence of the labyrinth on films and
 videos

 I was wondering if someone can give me some references wether they are
 movies or books or articles or exhibitions.

 There are some really known works like the ending of *The Shinning*
 (1980) or *Labyrinth* (1986) but i'm more interested on artist
 practices.

 Right now i have managed to list this titles:

 *LABYRINTH* (1962) Jan Lenica
 *Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB* (1967) George Lucas
 *In the Labyrinth* (1967) Colin Low, Roman Kroitor, Hugh O'Connor
 (project at Expo 67)
 *Reading of an Extract from Labyrinths by J.L. Borges* (1970) David
 Lamelas
 *Labyrinthe* (1979) Veronique Mori
 *Meikyu-tan* (1975) Terayama Shūji
 *Withershings* (1995) Gary Hill (installlation)
 *Labyrinth* (2012) Yves-Marie Mah

 Any suggestion will be welcomed.

 All the best,
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Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or Experimental Media

[Albert Alcoz]

Thank you very much for all for the valuable information i have received
concerning labyrinths and experimental film.

I will check all those links with time in order to write an essay about the
ideas behind this connection.

All the best,
Albert





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On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 11:13 PM Daniel A. Swarthnas 
wrote:

> Claes Söderquist - Labyrinth (2013)
> Excerpt: https://vimeo.com/112068727
>
>
> Daniel A. Swarthnas
> Filmmaker / Curator / Writer
> Cinema Parenthèse
> swarth...@mail.com
> +46(0)705778603
>
>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 at 8:50 PM
> *From:* "Nicole Baker" 
> *To:* "Experimental Film Discussion List" 
> *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Labyrinths and Avant-Garde Cinema or
> Experimental Media
> Thanks! I'll check it out
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2019, 3:48 PM Dinorah  wrote:
>
>> Hello Nicole,
>>
>> The project blog is at elusivelandscape.blogspot.com and my website is
>> at solislandmediaworks.com. you can find press on the piece on the Press
>> page. thank you for your interest in my work.
>>
>> Dinorah de Jesús Rodriguez
>> Multimedia Artist
>>
>> El abr. 28, 2019, a la(s) 6:34 p. m., Seth Pimlott <
>> seth.piml...@network.rca.ac.uk> escribió:
>>
>>
>> Slight tangent but William English’s recent film ‘it’s my own invention’
>> is a brilliant film about getting lost in a kind of labyrinth of the mind:
>>
>> https://lux.org.uk/work/its-my-own-invention
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 11:01, Albert Alcoz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I'm doing a research about the presence of the labyrinth on films and
>>> videos
>>>
>>> I was wondering if someone can give me some references wether they are
>>> movies or books or articles or exhibitions.
>>>
>>> There are some really known works like the ending of *The Shinning*
>>> (1980) or *Labyrinth* (1986) but i'm more interested on artist
>>> practices.
>>>
>>> Right now i have managed to list this titles:
>>>
>>> *LABYRINTH* (1962) Jan Lenica
>>> *Electronic Labyrinth: THX 1138 4EB* (1967) George Lucas
>>> *In the Labyrinth* (1967) Colin Low, Roman Kroitor, Hugh O'Connor
>>> (project at Expo 67)
>>> *Reading of an Extract from Labyrinths by J.L. Borges* (1970) David
>>> Lamelas
>>> *Labyrinthe* (1979) Veronique Mori
>>> *Meikyu-tan* (1975) Terayama Shūji
>>> *Withershings* (1995) Gary Hill (installlation)
>>> *Labyrinth* (2012) Yves-Marie Mah
>>>
>>> Any suggestion will be welcomed.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Albert
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