Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-04 Thread Warren Cockerham
Chris,

If you're interested in short works by white, American males that work at
undoing traditional visual ethnography, maybe take a look at Steve Reinke's
THE MENDI (2006) https://vimeo.com/68059870 and Ben Russell's RIVER RITES
(2011) https://vimeo.com/25532189

- Warren

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Freeman 
christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've seen them by independent filmmakers at micro cinema screenings.  I
 mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
 that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but then
 ask 'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some, how
 come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



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 Subject: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

  Whenever I see an ethnographic travelogue or some study of the other
 by a white male at a screening, there's always a collective eye roll of
 great, another white male putting minorities on the screen.  I know the
 trope, but I don't actually know any of those specific cliche films.
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2015-05-04 Thread Francisco Torres
I was born and have lived most of my life in a 3rd world country and I will
tell you that I have never seen a documentary film about it (of any kind)
that tells me anything about it that is interesting or valid. That applies
to films made by natives or foreigners. Cinema is a very poor medium for
such discussions. It was made for delirium. I would rather watch any
fiction film about my country, even the most formula Hollywoiod fare, over
any ethnographic documentary about it. At least I know the Hollywood bias
from the get go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfAuPXpu1TI



2015-05-04 11:25 GMT-04:00 Warren Cockerham warrencocker...@gmail.com:

 Chris,

 If you're interested in short works by white, American males that work at
 undoing traditional visual ethnography, maybe take a look at Steve Reinke's
 THE MENDI (2006) https://vimeo.com/68059870 and Ben Russell's RIVER RITES
 (2011) https://vimeo.com/25532189

 - Warren

 On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Chris Freeman 
 christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've seen them by independent filmmakers at micro cinema screenings.  I
 mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
 that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but then
 ask 'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some, how
 come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



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Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-02 Thread Dennis Doros
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On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Chuck Kleinhans
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 Ethnographic films, more



 Thanks to everyone contributing to this interesting thread.

 Some further thoughts from my own teaching and research and mediamaking:




 There’s a very long history of visual representations of The Other that 
 predates cinema.  Slide shows of exotic places and peoples were common in the 
 19th century combining entertainment and edification.  A trip to “The Holy 
 Land” was a perennial favorite.  As a kid I saw a quick sketch artist do this 
 sort of thing in a church setting, so it probably predates photography.



 It’s probably useful to be aware that there’s an overlap but sometimes a 
 difference between “anthropological film” and “ethnographic film” by 
 understanding ethnography as a form of investigation that is also used by 
 sociologists, cultural analyists, etc., not just people in the field of 
 anthro.



 There’s a very well developed discussion in the field of Visual Anthropology 
 over the past 30 years or so.  If you have access to a university library, 
 it’s worth some time browsing the shelves for that category, and the journals.



 Sol Worth and John Adair’s Through Navaho Eyes—a classic, giving the camera 
 to the people to make their own films



 Scott Macdonald, American Ethnographic Film and Personal Documentary: The 
 Cambridge Turn (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2013),  Outstanding 
 book on the Harvard/MIT works of Gardner, Marshall, Pincus, etc.



 Mirzoeff, Nicholas, ed. The Visual Culture Reader. Excellent collection of 
 pertinent essays.



 Catherine Russell, Experimental Ethnography



 All the works of Trinh (already mentioned)



 Jim Lane, Autobiographical Documentary in America (mostly on straight white 
 guys, but there’s also a very interesting development of autobiography in 
 feminist and gay movement media)



 Barbach and Taylor, Cross-cultural Filmmaking

 Taylor, Visualizing Theory



 Unthinking Eurocentrism: Multiculturalism and the Media (Sightlines)

 by Ella Shohat and Robert Stam





 Race in Translation: Culture Wars around the Postcolonial AtlanticMay 28, 2012

 by Robert Stam and Ella Shohat





 The links to colonialism and imperialism have been dramatically underlined by 
 more recent research and criticism.  I’d suggest:

 Dream Factories of a Former Colony: American Fantasies, Philippine Cinema

 by José B. Capino.  Almost all the cinematic record of Philippine life as a 
 US colony was made by Americans and ended up in the US.  This young scholar 
 recovered these lost records for the native audience.



 For an outstanding critique of Robert Gardner’s Forest of Bliss:  Jyotsna 
 Kapur, “The Art of Ethnographic Film and the Politics of Protesting 
 Modernity: Robert Gardner’s Forest of Bliss.  Visual Anthropology, vol 9, 
 167-185.







 And some work worth viewing again and thinking about:



 Basil Wright, Song of Ceylon



 Kubelka’s Our Trip to Africa



 TV and video ranging from:

 Anthony Bourdain food/travel reality format shows (CNN, Food Channel, Travel 
 Channel)  (and along the same lines, Andrew Zimmer’s shows on bizarre foods)



 Lonely Planet and other hipster travel docs, usually featuring a physically 
 appealing young (blond) visitor to the developing world’s more exotic 
 locations



 Gonzo porn visits to foreign brothels






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Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-02 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
Ethnographic films, more

 

Thanks to everyone contributing to this interesting thread.

Some further thoughts from my own teaching and research and mediamaking:


 

There’s a very long history of visual representations of The Other that 
predates cinema.  Slide shows of exotic places and peoples were common in the 
19th century combining entertainment and edification.  A trip to “The Holy 
Land” was a perennial favorite.  As a kid I saw a quick sketch artist do this 
sort of thing in a church setting, so it probably predates photography.

 

It’s probably useful to be aware that there’s an overlap but sometimes a 
difference between “anthropological film” and “ethnographic film” by 
understanding ethnography as a form of investigation that is also used by 
sociologists, cultural analyists, etc., not just people in the field of anthro.

 

There’s a very well developed discussion in the field of Visual Anthropology 
over the past 30 years or so.  If you have access to a university library, it’s 
worth some time browsing the shelves for that category, and the journals.

 

Sol Worth and John Adair’s Through Navaho Eyes—a classic, giving the camera to 
the people to make their own films

 

Scott Macdonald, American Ethnographic Film and Personal Documentary: The 
Cambridge Turn (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2013),  Outstanding 
book on the Harvard/MIT works of Gardner, Marshall, Pincus, etc.

 

Mirzoeff, Nicholas, ed. The Visual Culture Reader. Excellent collection of 
pertinent essays.

 

Catherine Russell, Experimental Ethnography

 

All the works of Trinh (already mentioned)

 

Jim Lane, Autobiographical Documentary in America (mostly on straight white 
guys, but there’s also a very interesting development of autobiography in 
feminist and gay movement media)

 

Barbach and Taylor, Cross-cultural Filmmaking

Taylor, Visualizing Theory

 

Unthinking Eurocentrism: Multiculturalism and the Media (Sightlines)

by Ella Shohat and Robert Stam

 

 

Race in Translation: Culture Wars around the Postcolonial AtlanticMay 28, 2012

by Robert Stam and Ella Shohat

 

 

The links to colonialism and imperialism have been dramatically underlined by 
more recent research and criticism.  I’d suggest:

Dream Factories of a Former Colony: American Fantasies, Philippine Cinema

by José B. Capino.  Almost all the cinematic record of Philippine life as a US 
colony was made by Americans and ended up in the US.  This young scholar 
recovered these lost records for the native audience.

 

For an outstanding critique of Robert Gardner’s Forest of Bliss:  Jyotsna 
Kapur, “The Art of Ethnographic Film and the Politics of Protesting Modernity: 
Robert Gardner’s Forest of Bliss.  Visual Anthropology, vol 9, 167-185.

 

 

 

And some work worth viewing again and thinking about:

 

Basil Wright, Song of Ceylon

 

Kubelka’s Our Trip to Africa

 

TV and video ranging from:

Anthony Bourdain food/travel reality format shows (CNN, Food Channel, Travel 
Channel)  (and along the same lines, Andrew Zimmer’s shows on bizarre foods)

 

Lonely Planet and other hipster travel docs, usually featuring a physically 
appealing young (blond) visitor to the developing world’s more exotic locations

 

Gonzo porn visits to foreign brothels

 

 


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Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-01 Thread nicky . hamlyn
You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but then ask 
'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some, how come you 
can't identify them?

Nicky. 
 

 

 

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2015-05-01 Thread Chris Freeman
I've seen them by independent filmmakers at micro cinema screenings.  I
mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



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2015-05-01 Thread Andy Ditzler
 cinema screenings.  I
 mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
 that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but then
 ask 'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some, how
 come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



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2015-05-01 Thread Dennis Doros
 the cliche uncomplicatedly
 (though I'm sure we can come up with more examples of that), but that much
 of documentary filmmaking practice to this day replicates the conditions of
 early anthropological (colonialist) uses of photography and film.
 Non-diegetic music (usually a giveaway), slow-motion reaction shots
 currently in vogue (of a subject saddened by tragedy, for instance),
 secret filming (often staged as such, of course) - all of these
 contribute to othering and other forms of exploitation (often ostensibly
 with the opposite goal, but nonetheless...).

 Some of the most shocking current videos are those made for the social
 experiment trend on Youtube, such as:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiWxrpikWgs or
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1VT7YRJ5I. As with most things at this
 level of toxicity, it would take awhile to unpack the interlocking
 oppressions, both formal and societal, behind these videos and their
 success. I will just note here that the self-reflexive techniques developed
 by many 60s/70s ethnographic and documentary filmmakers in order to
 critically examine the filmmaker's relation to subjects, are here deployed
 for the opposite purpose. As I say, pretty toxic stuff.

 Regarding Jean Rouch, I might disagree with Jonathan that Rouch turns the
 'other-izing' gaze of the ethnographic documentary to a group of white
 Parisians in Chronicle of a Summer. I think Chronicle is not about turning
 the tables particularly, but about applying Rouch's concept of shared
 anthropology in Paris rather than among the Songhay. If any tables are
 turned in the film, it's on the filmmakers themselves, as evidenced by the
 movie's final scene. Rouch's Petit a Petit (I think that's the one) does
 have a hilarious scene in which Rouch's African collaborators take the
 camera and mic out on the streets of Paris, turning the tables and treating
 Parisians as anthropological subjects. They even take measurements of their
 subjects on camera, in a parody of 19th-century anthropological
 photography.

 I would agree that if you're looking for films that merit the collective
 eye-roll, Flaherty, Rouch, Gardner, Mead, Asch, Marshall et al are not
 where I'd turn.

 Andy Ditzler


 On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu
 wrote:

 Jean Rouch and Robert Garnder come to mind. Both were prolific
 ethnographic filmmakers, but for Rouch I’d recommend *Chronicle of a
 Summer* (1960), *The Mad Masters* (1955), and *Jaguar* (1967), and for
 Garnder *Dead Birds* (1964). Chronicle is especially interesting because
 Rouch turns the “other-izing” gaze of the ethnographic documentary to a
 group of white Parisians.

 There are plenty of others, but Rouch and Garnder stand as the major
 figures of ethnographic documentary, at least as far as white male
 filmmakers are concerned (obviously Trinh Minh-ha and Germaine Dieterlen,
 among others, are important filmmakers in this canon, not to mention
 Margaret Mead). But I wouldn’t say that their films deserve a collective
 eye roll; if the genre has declined into cliche (I’m not saying it has,
 just that I don’t know) I wouldn’t fault these filmmakers. Certainly when
 the representatives of one culture make films about another there are all
 sorts of potential pitfalls, but Rouch and Garnder approached the task
 knowingly and reflexively. I don’t believe they worked under the assumption
 that their acts of “putting minorities onscreen” was a simple matter (and
 are the African men and women in many of their films “minorities?” They
 would be a members of a racial minority in the U.S. or Europe, but not in
 Africa, I’d say).

 Hope this helps.
 Jonathan

 Dr. Jonathan Walley
 Associate Professor
 Department of Cinema
 Denison University
 wall...@denison.edu


 On May 1, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Chris Freeman 
 christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've seen them by independent filmmakers at micro cinema screenings.  I
 mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
 that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but then
 ask 'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some, how
 come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



  -Original Message-
 From: Chris Freeman christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com
 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
 Sent: Fri, 1 May 2015 13:15
 Subject: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

  Whenever I see an ethnographic travelogue or some study of the other
 by a white male at a screening, there's always a collective eye roll of
 great, another white male putting minorities on the screen.  I know the
 trope, but I don't actually know any of those specific cliche films.
 What are some?

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Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-01 Thread Andy Ditzler
 after them here in the U.S. The legacy continues.

 Also look at Bunuel's Land Without Bread for a very wicked and very
 early parody of exactly what you're describing.

 It's not so much that a given film personifies the cliche uncomplicatedly
 (though I'm sure we can come up with more examples of that), but that much
 of documentary filmmaking practice to this day replicates the conditions of
 early anthropological (colonialist) uses of photography and film.
 Non-diegetic music (usually a giveaway), slow-motion reaction shots
 currently in vogue (of a subject saddened by tragedy, for instance),
 secret filming (often staged as such, of course) - all of these
 contribute to othering and other forms of exploitation (often ostensibly
 with the opposite goal, but nonetheless...).

 Some of the most shocking current videos are those made for the social
 experiment trend on Youtube, such as:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiWxrpikWgs or
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1VT7YRJ5I. As with most things at this
 level of toxicity, it would take awhile to unpack the interlocking
 oppressions, both formal and societal, behind these videos and their
 success. I will just note here that the self-reflexive techniques developed
 by many 60s/70s ethnographic and documentary filmmakers in order to
 critically examine the filmmaker's relation to subjects, are here deployed
 for the opposite purpose. As I say, pretty toxic stuff.

 Regarding Jean Rouch, I might disagree with Jonathan that Rouch turns
 the 'other-izing' gaze of the ethnographic documentary to a group of white
 Parisians in Chronicle of a Summer. I think Chronicle is not about turning
 the tables particularly, but about applying Rouch's concept of shared
 anthropology in Paris rather than among the Songhay. If any tables are
 turned in the film, it's on the filmmakers themselves, as evidenced by the
 movie's final scene. Rouch's Petit a Petit (I think that's the one) does
 have a hilarious scene in which Rouch's African collaborators take the
 camera and mic out on the streets of Paris, turning the tables and treating
 Parisians as anthropological subjects. They even take measurements of their
 subjects on camera, in a parody of 19th-century anthropological
 photography.

 I would agree that if you're looking for films that merit the collective
 eye-roll, Flaherty, Rouch, Gardner, Mead, Asch, Marshall et al are not
 where I'd turn.

 Andy Ditzler


 On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu
 wrote:

 Jean Rouch and Robert Garnder come to mind. Both were prolific
 ethnographic filmmakers, but for Rouch I’d recommend *Chronicle of a
 Summer* (1960), *The Mad Masters* (1955), and *Jaguar* (1967), and for
 Garnder *Dead Birds* (1964). Chronicle is especially interesting
 because Rouch turns the “other-izing” gaze of the ethnographic documentary
 to a group of white Parisians.

 There are plenty of others, but Rouch and Garnder stand as the major
 figures of ethnographic documentary, at least as far as white male
 filmmakers are concerned (obviously Trinh Minh-ha and Germaine Dieterlen,
 among others, are important filmmakers in this canon, not to mention
 Margaret Mead). But I wouldn’t say that their films deserve a collective
 eye roll; if the genre has declined into cliche (I’m not saying it has,
 just that I don’t know) I wouldn’t fault these filmmakers. Certainly when
 the representatives of one culture make films about another there are all
 sorts of potential pitfalls, but Rouch and Garnder approached the task
 knowingly and reflexively. I don’t believe they worked under the assumption
 that their acts of “putting minorities onscreen” was a simple matter (and
 are the African men and women in many of their films “minorities?” They
 would be a members of a racial minority in the U.S. or Europe, but not in
 Africa, I’d say).

 Hope this helps.
 Jonathan

 Dr. Jonathan Walley
 Associate Professor
 Department of Cinema
 Denison University
 wall...@denison.edu


 On May 1, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Chris Freeman 
 christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've seen them by independent filmmakers at micro cinema screenings.  I
 mean what are the big ones that have come over the last 100 years of cinema
 that have made it a trope?  I only know Nanook of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but
 then ask 'what are some (of these films)'? If you know you've seen some,
 how come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



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 Subject: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

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Re: [Frameworks] Ethnographic films / studies of The Other

2015-05-01 Thread Dennis Doros
 of the North.



 On Friday, May 1, 2015, nicky.ham...@talktalk.net wrote:

 You seem to contradict yourself: you say 'whenever I see' etc, but
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 how come you can't identify them?

 Nicky.



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2015-05-01 Thread Chris Freeman
Whenever I see an ethnographic travelogue or some study of the other by a
white male at a screening, there's always a collective eye roll of great,
another white male putting minorities on the screen.  I know the trope,
but I don't actually know any of those specific cliche films.  What are
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