Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
Well it certainly would have been interesting to hear George Kuchar's take on WAVELENGTH. In my experience he always had these funny contrarian takes on avant-garde films. I never sat down and had discussions with him about this but he would often throw out these one-liners that were hilarious. For example, about Rose Lowder's Bouquet films, Oh. Really nice color in those movies. About a Nathaniel Dorsky film with lots of very dark shots, I'll have to bring my night vision goggles next time. About Jeffrey Skoller's The Malady of Death (relayed by Skoller): Whatever it is you did, Jeff, it couldn't have been that bad. Say these lines to yourself in your best G. Kuchar voice and you'll see what I'm talking. No doubt that George knew this stuff as well as anyone. But it is really his irreverence and his refusal to take anything in life too seriously that I find to be the most inspiring about this amazing man... Steve Polta --- On Sun, 3/4/12, gregg biermann mubba...@optonline.net wrote: From: gregg biermann mubba...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars To: Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 5:28 AM Yes, Yes. That was it. Thanks Gene. On 3/3/2012 3:06 PM, Gene Youngblood wrote: Gregg, the diary you’re thinking of is “Low Light Life” (1988). George walks into a room at SFAI where Ken Jacobs is conducting a seminar, looking for food. Ken is extremely rude to George, insulting him in front of the students, and George walks out. It’s an embarrassing scene, not unusual for Ken, but it’s nevertheless interesting since it was at Ken’s loft in NYC that the Kuchar brothers first showed their films to the New York underground crowd. Yes, George loved the films he caricatured, and his stance is never condescending (the same cannot be said for his pal John Waters, by way of comparison). George’s knowledge of Hollywood film history was amazing, and his film and soundtrack collections were legendary, but he loved all kinds of movies. A few years ago Film Comment asked some well known filmmakers to list their top ten favorite movies. On George’s list were titles you would expect, but he also included “Wavelength” and Antonioni’s “Eclipse.” From: gregg biermann Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:32 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars The other thing here is that George's position on the mainstream commercial cinema was not purely oppositional -- that there is also some sense of homage to it in his work. You could even argue that he was alienated to some degree when it came to the avant-garde film community -- even as it embraced him. I remember in one of his diary pieces he documents a little lecture by Ken Jacobs at SFAI that he attended and he ends up walking out with Ken yelling after him George, Come back here! Then he ends up at some party in Hollywood sitting on a couch with Nicolas Cage (or some star like that) and he ends up feeling uncomfortably out of place there as well. Cannot remember the title -- sometime around 1991. G On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, sc...@financialcleansing.com wrote: Sorry, Fred, here I disagree with you. I'm sure the Hollywood folks could have added many other people (many of them worthy) to the list of those recognized in that memorial moment, too. But that three of those recognized--George Kuchar, Tim Hetherington, and Ricky Leacock--are makers who worked outside Hollywood, as independents, is certainly cause for celebration. It means that, in a however limited way, independent filmmakers are being recognized more broadly, as they so rightly deserve. That Saint Mark Toscano, working at the Academy, has seen to the preservation not only of Brakhage's films but Robert Nelson's, and the work of so many other independents is part of that same recognition
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
When I asked him about Wavelength he claimed he didn’t remember even writing such a list. I don’t know which issue of Film Comment it was in, and a search of their back issues yields no results. Maybe Mike knows. I was often struck by the ambiguity of George’s comments, not sure if he was praising or dismissing. That was intentional no doubt. From: Steve Polta Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 11:08 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars Well it certainly would have been interesting to hear George Kuchar's take on WAVELENGTH. In my experience he always had these funny contrarian takes on avant-garde films. I never sat down and had discussions with him about this but he would often throw out these one-liners that were hilarious. For example, about Rose Lowder's Bouquet films, Oh. Really nice color in those movies. About a Nathaniel Dorsky film with lots of very dark shots, I'll have to bring my night vision goggles next time. About Jeffrey Skoller's The Malady of Death (relayed by Skoller): Whatever it is you did, Jeff, it couldn't have been that bad. Say these lines to yourself in your best G. Kuchar voice and you'll see what I'm talking. No doubt that George knew this stuff as well as anyone. But it is really his irreverence and his refusal to take anything in life too seriously that I find to be the most inspiring about this amazing man... Steve Polta --- On Sun, 3/4/12, gregg biermann mubba...@optonline.net wrote: From: gregg biermann mubba...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars To: Gene Youngblood ato...@comcast.net, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 5:28 AM Yes, Yes. That was it. Thanks Gene. On 3/3/2012 3:06 PM, Gene Youngblood wrote: Gregg, the diary you’re thinking of is “Low Light Life” (1988). George walks into a room at SFAI where Ken Jacobs is conducting a seminar, looking for food. Ken is extremely rude to George, insulting him in front of the students, and George walks out. It’s an embarrassing scene, not unusual for Ken, but it’s nevertheless interesting since it was at Ken’s loft in NYC that the Kuchar brothers first showed their films to the New York underground crowd. Yes, George loved the films he caricatured, and his stance is never condescending (the same cannot be said for his pal John Waters, by way of comparison). George’s knowledge of Hollywood film history was amazing, and his film and soundtrack collections were legendary, but he loved all kinds of movies. A few years ago Film Comment asked some well known filmmakers to list their top ten favorite movies. On George’s list were titles you would expect, but he also included “Wavelength” and Antonioni’s “Eclipse.” From: gregg biermann Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:32 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars The other thing here is that George's position on the mainstream commercial cinema was not purely oppositional -- that there is also some sense of homage to it in his work. You could even argue that he was alienated to some degree when it came to the avant-garde film community -- even as it embraced him. I remember in one of his diary pieces he documents a little lecture by Ken Jacobs at SFAI that he attended and he ends up walking out with Ken yelling after him George, Come back here! Then he ends up at some party in Hollywood sitting on a couch with Nicolas Cage (or some star like that) and he ends up feeling uncomfortably out of place there as well. Cannot remember the title -- sometime around 1991. G On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=sc...@financialcleansing.com wrote: Sorry, Fred, here I disagree with you. I'm sure the Hollywood folks could have added many other people (many of them worthy) to the list of those recognized in that memorial moment, too. But that three of those recognized--George Kuchar, Tim Hetherington, and Ricky Leacock--are makers who worked outside Hollywood, as independents, is certainly cause for celebration. It means that, in a however limited way, independent filmmakers are being recognized more broadly, as they so rightly deserve. That Saint Mark Toscano, working at the Academy, has seen to the preservation not only of Brakhage's films but Robert Nelson's, and the work of so many other independents is part of that same recognition. Like it or not, the Academy is one of few organizations devoted to cinema that has the clout to provide broad recognition, and I was thrilled to see their images on my TV screen on primetime Sunday night. Kudos to the Academy for recognizing Kuchar, Hetherington, and Leacock. Scott
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
Gregg, the diary you’re thinking of is “Low Light Life” (1988). George walks into a room at SFAI where Ken Jacobs is conducting a seminar, looking for food. Ken is extremely rude to George, insulting him in front of the students, and George walks out. It’s an embarrassing scene, not unusual for Ken, but it’s nevertheless interesting since it was at Ken’s loft in NYC that the Kuchar brothers first showed their films to the New York underground crowd. Yes, George loved the films he caricatured, and his stance is never condescending (the same cannot be said for his pal John Waters, by way of comparison). George’s knowledge of Hollywood film history was amazing, and his film and soundtrack collections were legendary, but he loved all kinds of movies. A few years ago Film Comment asked some well known filmmakers to list their top ten favorite movies. On George’s list were titles you would expect, but he also included “Wavelength” and Antonioni’s “Eclipse.” From: gregg biermann Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:32 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars The other thing here is that George's position on the mainstream commercial cinema was not purely oppositional -- that there is also some sense of homage to it in his work. You could even argue that he was alienated to some degree when it came to the avant-garde film community -- even as it embraced him. I remember in one of his diary pieces he documents a little lecture by Ken Jacobs at SFAI that he attended and he ends up walking out with Ken yelling after him George, Come back here! Then he ends up at some party in Hollywood sitting on a couch with Nicolas Cage (or some star like that) and he ends up feeling uncomfortably out of place there as well. Cannot remember the title -- sometime around 1991. G On 2/29/2012 8:43 AM, sc...@financialcleansing.com wrote: Sorry, Fred, here I disagree with you. I'm sure the Hollywood folks could have added many other people (many of them worthy) to the list of those recognized in that memorial moment, too. But that three of those recognized--George Kuchar, Tim Hetherington, and Ricky Leacock--are makers who worked outside Hollywood, as independents, is certainly cause for celebration. It means that, in a however limited way, independent filmmakers are being recognized more broadly, as they so rightly deserve. That Saint Mark Toscano, working at the Academy, has seen to the preservation not only of Brakhage's films but Robert Nelson's, and the work of so many other independents is part of that same recognition. Like it or not, the Academy is one of few organizations devoted to cinema that has the clout to provide broad recognition, and I was thrilled to see their images on my TV screen on primetime Sunday night. Kudos to the Academy for recognizing Kuchar, Hetherington, and Leacock. Scott Original Message Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars From: Fred Camper f...@fredcamper.com Date: Tue, February 28, 2012 7:44 pm To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. Oh, why not Hollis Frampton, and Stan Brakhage, and Gregory J. Markopoulos? Or Oscars to Ernie Gehr and Bruce Baillie, who are among the living? Or, one might ask, how likely is any of that? In all seriousness, am I the only one who finds the many posts in this thread a little bizarre? I thought it was nice when Brakhage was briefly acknowlwedged in the Oscar montage, and it's nice when other experimental filmmakers are acknowledged too. But when we start talking about awards, have we forgotten what the Oscars are, and what values they represent, and how different the values of avant-garde film are? Why should we expect, or even want, more than a passing nod from the Academy as it is currently constituted? It's really great that the money from the Oscar-cast goes to film preservation, including of avant-garde work. Is there any reason to expect more? Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4848 - Release Date: 03/03/12
Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
Sorry, Fred, here I disagree with you.I'm sure the Hollywood folks could have added many other people (many of them worthy) to the list of those recognized in that memorial moment, too. But that three of those recognized--George Kuchar, Tim Hetherington, and Ricky Leacock--are makers who worked outside Hollywood, as independents, is certainly cause for celebration. It means that, in a however limited way, independent filmmakers are being recognized more broadly, as they so rightly deserve. That Saint Mark Toscano, working at the Academy, has seen to the preservation not only of Brakhage's films but Robert Nelson's, and the work of so many other independents is part of that same recognition.Like it or not, the Academy is one of few organizations devoted to cinema that has the clout to provide broad recognition, and I was thrilled to see their images on my TV screen on primetime Sunday night. Kudos to the Academy for recognizing Kuchar, Hetherington, and Leacock.Scott Original Message Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars From: "Fred Camper" f...@fredcamper.com Date: Tue, February 28, 2012 7:44 pm To: "Experimental Film Discussion List" frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. Oh, why not Hollis Frampton, and Stan Brakhage, and Gregory J. Markopoulos? Or Oscars to Ernie Gehr and Bruce Baillie, who are among the living? Or, one might ask, how likely is any of that? In all seriousness, am I the only one who finds the many posts in this thread a little bizarre? I thought it was nice when Brakhage was briefly acknowlwedged in the Oscar montage, and it's nice when other experimental filmmakers are acknowledged too. But when we start talking about awards, have we forgotten what the Oscars are, and what values they represent, and how different the values of avant-garde film are? Why should we expect, or even want, more than a passing nod from the Academy as it is currently constituted? It's really great that the money from the Oscar-cast goes to film preservation, including of avant-garde work. Is there any reason to expect more? Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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i was happy to see it - to a degree it reminded me of brakhage and i miss his light and i remember how he could have used more funding to make more films - of course and i am mad at the film world for not being more supportive in his lifetime at least scorsese does some archive funding dont know if he does any funding of people that are alive worhal does in death they fund the living it seems and the living fund the dead On 2/28/12, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: Chuck Braverman did the Condensed Cream of Beatles thing, and was known for his rapid-fire montages of the '60s, at least a few of which appeared on the Smothers Brothers show. I don't believe Chuck Workman ever cuts the memorial segment, though. The one year I talked to the folks doing it (2004), it was two guys whose names I can't remember, but who weren't working with Chuck. Chuck Workman frequently cuts montages for the Oscars, though. But so do other folks, including Penelope Spheeris and Errol Morris, among others. Mark From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimac...@gmail.com AIM carismachet Skype carimachet - 646-652-6434 Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Twitter: @carimachet https://twitter.com/carimachet Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissimination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Hi, Also, two years ago at least Chuck Workman took the year off from the Oscars. Not sure if he did this year. Best, Adam On 2/27/12 11:53 PM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: Chuck Braverman did the Condensed Cream of Beatles thing, and was known for his rapid-fire montages of the '60s, at least a few of which appeared on the Smothers Brothers show. I don't believe Chuck Workman ever cuts the memorial segment, though. The one year I talked to the folks doing it (2004), it was two guys whose names I can't remember, but who weren't working with Chuck. Chuck Workman frequently cuts montages for the Oscars, though. But so do other folks, including Penelope Spheeris and Errol Morris, among others. Mark From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I preferred his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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BTW, here is a link to the in memoriam montage from Saturday's Oscars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxpN3xjDrQ0 . George's little clip is toward the end, plus the sound is awful, but at least it's up. It was funny, because I talked to one of my parents and they said an experimental filmmaker was on the Oscars. I was kind of mystified at first, but then saw this and it made sense. The fact that they used a clip from Hold Me While I'm Naked I found heartwarming when I saw this. Enjoy! -charles On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: Hi, Also, two years ago at least Chuck Workman took the year off from the Oscars. Not sure if he did this year. Best, Adam On 2/27/12 11:53 PM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: Chuck Braverman did the Condensed Cream of Beatles thing, and was known for his rapid-fire montages of the '60s, at least a few of which appeared on the Smothers Brothers show. I don't believe Chuck Workman ever cuts the memorial segment, though. The one year I talked to the folks doing it (2004), it was two guys whose names I can't remember, but who weren't working with Chuck. Chuck Workman frequently cuts montages for the Oscars, though. But so do other folks, including Penelope Spheeris and Errol Morris, among others. Mark -- *From:* Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I preferred his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Check my myspace page for my streaming films and info - www.myspace.com/chadwickfilms or facebook for updates on my upcoming screenings, etc. - www.facebook.com/chadwickfilms ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I agree. I was surprised to see Kuchar's picture up there. They missed Theo Angelopoulos, though. CC On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net wrote: It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Caryn Cline Filmmaker and Teacher New York City and Seattle, WA vimeo.com/carynyc ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Well, I don't think it's enough or fair to mention Kuchar in this montage. They should have given him an honorary Oscar or something. Give him some credit while still alive. Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:46:22 +0100 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com From: framewo...@re-voir.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. On 2/28/12 5:47 PM, Jorge Lorenzo Flores Garza jorgelore...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I don't think it's enough or fair to mention Kuchar in this montage. They should have given him an honorary Oscar or something. Give him some credit while still alive. Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:46:22 +0100 To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com From: framewo...@re-voir.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. Oh, why not Hollis Frampton, and Stan Brakhage, and Gregory J. Markopoulos? Or Oscars to Ernie Gehr and Bruce Baillie, who are among the living? Or, one might ask, how likely is any of that? In all seriousness, am I the only one who finds the many posts in this thread a little bizarre? I thought it was nice when Brakhage was briefly acknowlwedged in the Oscar montage, and it's nice when other experimental filmmakers are acknowledged too. But when we start talking about awards, have we forgotten what the Oscars are, and what values they represent, and how different the values of avant-garde film are? Why should we expect, or even want, more than a passing nod from the Academy as it is currently constituted? It's really great that the money from the Oscar-cast goes to film preservation, including of avant-garde work. Is there any reason to expect more? Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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So right about this, Fred. Beverly O'Neill Los Angeles On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Fred Camper wrote: Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. Oh, why not Hollis Frampton, and Stan Brakhage, and Gregory J. Markopoulos? Or Oscars to Ernie Gehr and Bruce Baillie, who are among the living? Or, one might ask, how likely is any of that? In all seriousness, am I the only one who finds the many posts in this thread a little bizarre? I thought it was nice when Brakhage was briefly acknowlwedged in the Oscar montage, and it's nice when other experimental filmmakers are acknowledged too. But when we start talking about awards, have we forgotten what the Oscars are, and what values they represent, and how different the values of avant-garde film are? Why should we expect, or even want, more than a passing nod from the Academy as it is currently constituted? It's really great that the money from the Oscar-cast goes to film preservation, including of avant-garde work. Is there any reason to expect more? Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I do have to admit that I cannot think of anyone else in the underground, experimental, avant-garde, what-ever-you-want-to-call-it filmmaking scene that has had more intense, wide reaching and personal influence then the Kuchar Brothers. Brakhage, too, but in a way his work still seems kind of distanced and separate from most regular cinema, movies if you will. Brakhage's work is closer to art then movies for me (not that I like to segregate or label in that way). George and Mike really influenced many generations of filmmakers and made them passionate about *making* films. Mike told me once that he met George Lucas and Lucas shook his hand and told him that he was a big fan of their work. Something about them really brought movie making down to a regular level and that empowered so many people. It's always great to hear about and I will miss George a lot. Because of this I think it would make more sense to give George and Mike extra recognition then anyone else I can think of within this.area, I guess you could say, of cinema. But hey, who am I? I sure as heck am not on the Academy list. Never made or worked on a movie that an Academy member even saw, probably... On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Beverly O'Neill bev...@earthlink.netwrote: So right about this, Fred. Beverly O'Neill Los Angeles On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Fred Camper wrote: Yes Owen Land, Ricky Leacock, and Jordan Belson as well. Oh, why not Hollis Frampton, and Stan Brakhage, and Gregory J. Markopoulos? Or Oscars to Ernie Gehr and Bruce Baillie, who are among the living? Or, one might ask, how likely is any of that? In all seriousness, am I the only one who finds the many posts in this thread a little bizarre? I thought it was nice when Brakhage was briefly acknowlwedged in the Oscar montage, and it's nice when other experimental filmmakers are acknowledged too. But when we start talking about awards, have we forgotten what the Oscars are, and what values they represent, and how different the values of avant-garde film are? Why should we expect, or even want, more than a passing nod from the Academy as it is currently constituted? It's really great that the money from the Oscar-cast goes to film preservation, including of avant-garde work. Is there any reason to expect more? Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- hypnotic visions - huckleberrylain.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars
It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Sorry i missed it. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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They seem to fit in one Avant-garde person each year. Well, at least they had Brakhage. There are avant-garde sympathetic folks at the Academy... On 2/27/12 6:12 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry i missed it. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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does anyone know if that section is on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: They seem to fit in one Avant-garde person each year. Well, at least they had Brakhage. There are avant-garde sympathetic folks at the Academy... On 2/27/12 6:12 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry i missed it. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- hypnotic visions - huckleberrylain.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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This is how myths begin... -JH From: Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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It¹s the memorial sequence, and happened near the end of the show, but before the Actor Actress awards. It ended with Elizabeth Taylor. On 2/27/12 7:21 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: does anyone know if that section is on youtube? http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Adam Hyman a...@lafilmforum.org wrote: They seem to fit in one Avant-garde person each year. Well, at least they had Brakhage. There are avant-garde sympathetic folks at the Academy... On 2/27/12 6:12 PM, Matt Helme dcinema2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry i missed it. Matt http://www.youtube.com/user/oscarthepug1234 http://www.youtube.com/user/matthelme007 From: Scott Stark sst...@hi-beam.net To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:35 PM Subject: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark From: Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars This is how myths begin... -JH From: Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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That's what I thought at first cause he was so influential, but someone just told me that you did it. Sorry for the misinformation and rumor-ville. On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Mark Toscano fiddy...@yahoo.com wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark -- *From:* Jason Halprin jihalp...@yahoo.com *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 7:22 PM *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars This is how myths begin... -JH -- *From:* Huckleberry Lain huckleberryl...@gmail.com** I just heard that was solely because of Mark Toscano. So, cheers to Mark! Thanks for having the world remember such a wonderful man. ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- hypnotic visions - huckleberrylain.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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In a message dated 2/27/2012 5:36:27 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, sst...@hi-beam.net writes: It was a pleasant surprise to see George Kuchar in the memorial sequence in last night's Oscars. -s Yes, and Leacock too. Although I wish they'd shown film of the people in action. That's always very touching.___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
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Chuck Braverman did the Condensed Cream of Beatles thing, and was known for his rapid-fire montages of the '60s, at least a few of which appeared on the Smothers Brothers show. I don't believe Chuck Workman ever cuts the memorial segment, though. The one year I talked to the folks doing it (2004), it was two guys whose names I can't remember, but who weren't working with Chuck. Chuck Workman frequently cuts montages for the Oscars, though. But so do other folks, including Penelope Spheeris and Errol Morris, among others. Mark From: Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Kuchar on the Oscars I understood that Chuck Workman always cuts together the Oscar montage - and as he just made the feature-length Visionaries on the experimental filmmakers around Anthology, he does know them all. (Though I prefered his Condensed Cream of Beatles!) -Pip At 20:50 -0800 27/02/12, Mark Toscano wrote: Exactly. I didn't have anything to do with it! Which is all the better, as it suggests that his influence has indeed permeated enough to be on the radar of folks cutting together Oscars montages. Mark ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
