Re: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975 kodachrome II

[Kevin Rice]

Hello Johannes & Milena,

There's no secret to it -- Kodachrome, like any modern mono-pack color film
stock, is three layers of spectrally sensitized silver gelatin (i.e. black
and white) emulsions. Any of these stocks can be processed as black and
white negative or reversal using whatever developer you desire, including
color developers in the case of Kodachrome which has no dye couplers to
bond with the oxidized agents of a color developer. Really, the only
"adjustment" one might make to the process is the addition of bromide (e.g.
potassium bromide [KBr]) to the developer of your choice in an attempt to
restrain some of the inevitable fogging that will occur due to the films
age. For now, though, I won't go into detail about this particular
procedure as it's a long discussion concerning how the film was stored, how
old it is, how it was exposed, etc...but what I will say is that we
recently processed a roll of expired super-8 Kodachrome II (Type A) as B&W
negative using an unmodified D-19 recipe @ 38 degrees Celsius across 4
minutes with a standard agitation profile, and it gave good results. After
development, just fix to completion and remove the RemJet in the same way
as with your K40 and K25 films...

Hope this helps!

Kevin Rice
processreversal.org
pcn03031989.com
(720) 270.3857



> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Johannes Schrems 
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Cc:
> Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 08:55:25 +0100
> Subject: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975 kodachrome II
>  hi, we had the same remjet coating on the k40 and k25 films too and
> removed them easy after developing by hand.
> we do not mind the diy look afterwards.
> to all of you:
> i think there must be a way to develop kodachrome 2 in b&w negativ.
> rocky mountain film lab and filmrescue.com are develping this film.
> anyone knowing someone working there how could ask for their secret?
> no one ever done this?
> pleace help!
> best regards
> johannes and milena
>
>
> Am 27.01.2014 22:01, schrieb Roger Wilson:
>  Doesn't Kodachrome 2 have the remjet antihalation on it? Did you remove
> it first? I think then you just process it like regular b&w but I've not
> done it myself so I can't say for sure.
>
>  However, here is a list of chemicals that you use to make the remjet
> removal. I use this recipe for colour processing and it removes the remjet
> completely with no extra work. I use a morse G3 tank and run it through
> this recipe for 4 minutes max.
> This is the one from kodak ECN-2:
>
> WATER (27-38ºC) - 800ml
> BORAX - 20g
> SODIUM SULFATE (anhydrous) - 100g
> SODIUM HYDROXIDE - 1g
> WATER to complete - 1 litre
>
>
>
> Roger D. Wilson
> Film Scientist
> 613 324 - 7504
> rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca
> http://www.rogerdwilson.ca
>
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Re: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975 kodachrome II

[Roger Wilson]

Hi Johannes,
I have a friend who has notes on how to process this film as b&w but he is in 
Africa until the end of next week, once he gets back I will get them from him 
and forward them to you.
Roger

Roger D. WilsonFilm Scientist613 324 - 
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Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process and my 
career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I welcome it as it 
pushes me forward as an artist to try something different, something new. 

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2014 20:44:28 +0100
From: johannesschr...@gmail.com
To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
Subject: Re: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975 kodachrome II


  

  
  
hi, roger,  thanx for your answer. we had the same remjet coating on
the k40 and k25 films too and removed them easy after developing by
hand.

we do not mind the diy look afterwards.

to all of you:

i think there must be a way to develop kodachrome 2 in b&w
negativ.

rocky mountain film lab and filmrescue.com are develping this film.
anyone knowing someone working there how could ask for their secret?

no one ever done this? 

pleace help!

best regards

johannes and milena





Am 27.01.2014 22:01, schrieb Roger
  Wilson:



  

Doesn't
Kodachrome 2 have the remjet antihalation on it? Did you
remove it first? I think then you just process it like
regular b&w but I've not done it myself so I can't say
for sure. 
  


  However, here is a
  list of chemicals that you use to make the remjet removal.
  I use this recipe for colour processing and it removes the
  remjet completely with no extra work. I use a morse G3
  tank and run it through this recipe for 4 minutes max.


This is
  the one from kodak ECN-2:

WATER
  (27-38ºC) - 800ml
BORAX -
  20g
SODIUM
  SULFATE (anhydrous) - 100g
SODIUM
  HYDROXIDE - 1g
WATER
  to complete - 1 litre
  

  

  

  Roger D. Wilson
  Film Scientist
  613 324 - 7504
  rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca
  http://www.rogerdwilson.ca

  
  

  Without failure you can never
  achieve success. I have based my process and my career
  as an experimental film artist on this statement; and
  I welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to
  try something different, something new. 
  

  

  > Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:50:00 +0100

> From: j...@gmx.at

> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com

> Subject: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975

> 

> hi,

> 

> is there anyone who knows how to develop a
kodachrome 2 in b&w negative 

> or reversal?

> the process originally was k11 or k12.

> 

> i developed the kodachrome 40 and 25 with the foma
chemie in b&w 

> reversal and it worked well.

> but foma did not work with the old kodachrome 2.

> i tried to develop the kodachrome2 with b+w neg.
process with ilfosol 

> developer and the film was completely black, also
on the edges!

> 

> thanx for hints!

> 

> best regards

> johannes

> filmkoop wien

> 

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Re: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975 kodachrome II

[Johannes Schrems]

hi, roger,  thanx for your answer. we had the same remjet coating on the 
k40 and k25 films too and removed them easy after developing by hand.

we do not mind the diy look afterwards.
to all of you:
i think there must be a way to develop kodachrome 2 in b&w negativ.
rocky mountain film lab and filmrescue.com are develping this film. 
anyone knowing someone working there how could ask for their secret?

no one ever done this?
pleace help!
best regards
johannes and milena


Am 27.01.2014 22:01, schrieb Roger Wilson:
Doesn't Kodachrome 2 have the remjet antihalation on it? Did you 
remove it first? I think then you just process it like regular b&w but 
I've not done it myself so I can't say for sure.


However, here is a list of chemicals that you use to make the remjet 
removal. I use this recipe for colour processing and it removes the 
remjet completely with no extra work. I use a morse G3 tank and run it 
through this recipe for 4 minutes max.


This is the one from kodak ECN-2:

WATER (27-38ºC) - 800ml
BORAX - 20g
SODIUM SULFATE (anhydrous) - 100g
SODIUM HYDROXIDE - 1g
WATER to complete - 1 litre



Roger D. Wilson
Film Scientist
613 324 - 7504
rogerdwil...@sympatico.ca
http://www.rogerdwilson.ca 

Without failure you can never achieve success. I have based my process 
and my career as an experimental film artist on this statement; and I 
welcome it as it pushes me forward as an artist to try something 
different, something new.



> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:50:00 +0100
> From: j...@gmx.at
> To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com
> Subject: [Frameworks] kodachrome 2 exp. 1975
>
> hi,
>
> is there anyone who knows how to develop a kodachrome 2 in b&w negative
> or reversal?
> the process originally was k11 or k12.
>
> i developed the kodachrome 40 and 25 with the foma chemie in b&w
> reversal and it worked well.
> but foma did not work with the old kodachrome 2.
> i tried to develop the kodachrome2 with b+w neg. process with ilfosol
> developer and the film was completely black, also on the edges!
>
> thanx for hints!
>
> best regards
> johannes
> filmkoop wien
>
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