RE: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
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Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
On 10/01/06, Wayne Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.icemodchip.com/index.php It must be bogas: a) Lots of spelling mistakes together with flashy website. b) Amongs other things, the website says: "Previous pictures that were posted wasdue to a falling out between the team webmaster, and the team lead. Those pictures are confirmed fake, and not a prototype whatsoever, please delete them. The final version will have nothing to do with those pictures whatsoever, and will be composed of an actel chip placed on a pcb board." sure. the webmaster went and faked them due to a falling out c) They say: 20-30 wires (Depending On M$ Kernal Version) : I don't think there are that many versions of xbox 360, you say kernel and the problem is pre kernel, not sure what exactly do they mean here. However: a) They show a video (which would be trivial to fake by, e.g. have another xbox hidden somewhere) b) They have contacted infinity mods: this guys will disclose them in a second if it doesn't work. my best guess is that they want to earn on preorders and disappear. anze c)
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
100% bogus. a) No team and I mean none, would do things as badly as they do. b) Features are um funny unlock/lock hd for 3rd party drives? what for if the hds aren't locked in first place? c) From the chat log Heinrich had, I didn't get why remove pictures of the chip ( that were fake ) from the webserver because of fear that the chip will get copied? d) Pricing in the chat log was again badly thought. Wouldn't the price policy be more better done if they had meeting with divineo for example? e) The picture from the OS was horrible looking fake. I say we are facing 1-2 fellows that are young hoaxters. If you identify them. Spank them for all the wasted minutes. :) Br: Antti --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe " in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
Please, no discussion about this on the mailing list. Even if It would be true, it’d only support booting backups which is NOT our goal in this project. If you want to know more about the “chip” just check X-S forum. //Altsi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anze Slosar Sent: 10. tammikuuta 2006 12:10 To: Wayne Osborne Cc: free60-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas? On 10/01/06, Wayne Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.icemodchip.com/index.php It must be bogas: a) Lots of spelling mistakes together with flashy website. b) Amongs other things, the website says: "Previous pictures that were posted wasdue to a falling out between the team webmaster, and the team lead. Those pictures are confirmed fake, and not a prototype whatsoever, please delete them. The final version will have nothing to do with those pictures whatsoever, and will be composed of an actel chip placed on a pcb board." sure. the webmaster went and faked them due to a falling out c) They say: 20-30 wires (Depending On M$ Kernal Version) : I don't think there are that many versions of xbox 360, you say kernel and the problem is pre kernel, not sure what exactly do they mean here. However: a) They show a video (which would be trivial to fake by, e.g. have another xbox hidden somewhere) b) They have contacted infinity mods: this guys will disclose them in a second if it doesn't work. my best guess is that they want to earn on preorders and disappear. anze c)
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
Mod chips are legal in many countries and could be of significant use to those seeking to legally change the functionality of their Xbox 360. The potential value of the kiosk disc due to it's lack of a media flag is obvious. A mod chip potentially allows all media to shed it's media flag so may be a tool through which Linux finds it's way to the 360. I don't see any reason to avoid legitimate discussion of mod chips or booting backups. Admittedly, when most people talk of 'booting backups' it is a thinly veiled attempt at renaming piracy, however, making and using backups IS still legal under most fair use laws. This chip is most certainly a fake, however when chips do appear it would be prudent to evaluate their usefulness in achieving our goals even if they 'only support booting backups.' Anyone see anything wrong with third party chips in an Xbox1 using Cromwell? Of course, I'm all for dropping the conversation about this 'team' and their 'chip' as they seem far from legitimate. My $.02 Joni Aaltonen wrote: Please, no discussion about this on the mailing list. Even if It would be true, it’d only support booting backups which is NOT our goal in this project. If you want to know more about the “chip” just check X-S forum. //Altsi *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Anze Slosar *Sent:* 10. tammikuuta 2006 12:10 *To:* Wayne Osborne *Cc:* free60-devel@lists.sourceforge.net *Subject:* Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas? On 10/01/06, *Wayne Osborne* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: http://www.icemodchip.com/index.php It must be bogas: a) Lots of spelling mistakes together with flashy website. b) Amongs other things, the website says: "Previous pictures that were posted wasdue to a falling out between the team webmaster, and the team lead. Those pictures are confirmed fake, and not a prototype whatsoever, please delete them. The final version will have nothing to do with those pictures whatsoever, and will be composed of an actel chip placed on a pcb board." sure. the webmaster went and faked them due to a falling out c) They say: 20-30 wires (Depending On M$ Kernal Version) : I don't think there are that many versions of xbox 360, you say kernel and the problem is pre kernel, not sure what exactly do they mean here. However: a) They show a video (which would be trivial to fake by, e.g. have another xbox hidden somewhere) b) They have contacted infinity mods: this guys will disclose them in a second if it doesn't work. my best guess is that they want to earn on preorders and disappear. anze c) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id865&op=click -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe " in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
The potential value of the kiosk disc due to it's lack of a media flagis obvious. A mod chip potentially allows all media to shed it's media flag so may be a tool through which Linux finds it's way to the 360. Hi, sorry for being slow, but could someone explain me what makes this kiosk disc working on any xbox 360? Is it digitally signed or how it is authorised? I've heard that there are unsigned application that actually get executed from the disc (is this true?) and if this is the case wouldn't be 'trivial' to put our code in there? Are the standard games just a different filesystem or do they actually use a different technology (i.e. would you need an updated driver in the PC an updated firmware and a completelly different drive to read them?) (feel free to tell me to f* off, but please point me to a wiki or discussion...) regards, a.
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 05:57:24PM +0100, Anze Slosar wrote: > I've heard that there are unsigned application that actually get > executed from the disc (is this true?) and if this is the case wouldn't be > 'trivial' to put our code in there? No, the xex's themselves are signed, but they use data that isnt signed - i.e. shaders and flash files - additionally its not legal to use it, because the disc isnt officially avaible and just copies are used. -mxn --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe " in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
Anze Slosar wrote: The potential value of the kiosk disc due to it's lack of a media flag is obvious. A mod chip potentially allows all media to shed it's media flag so may be a tool through which Linux finds it's way to the 360. Hi, sorry for being slow, but could someone explain me what makes this kiosk disc working on any xbox 360? Is it digitally signed or how it is authorised? I've heard that there are unsigned application that actually get executed from the disc (is this true?) and if this is the case wouldn't be 'trivial' to put our code in there? Are the standard games just a different filesystem or do they actually use a different technology (i.e. would you need an updated driver in the PC an updated firmware and a completelly different drive to read them?) (feel free to tell me to f* off, but please point me to a wiki or discussion...) regards, a. The executables are still signed, however the media files (music, video, etc) are not. There is the potential for a buffer overflow given the ability to change those files (ala 'softmod' hacks for the Xbox1). Another interesting hack has been the execution of custom instructions in the GPU's shader. This seems to have little value given that the shader cannot access system memory. Martin replied before I sent this (damn RL job :) but in regards to his comment about use of the kiosk disc not being legal; it would depend on who is using it. More than one kiosk Xbox has been sold (accounts on various blogs) some of which have included the disc. While likely a contractual violation between Microsoft and the retailer, it is not illegal to sell it. There is at least one individual who obtained a copy of Microsoft's 'testing' disc when his 360 was returned from repair. Has anyone seen any information about that disc? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe " in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:09:59AM -0700, Nathan Nottingham wrote: > This seems to have > little value given that the shader cannot access system memory. afaik that *is* possible via the memexport function. > > Martin replied before I sent this (damn RL job :) but in regards to > his comment about use of the kiosk disc not being legal; it would > depend on who is using it. More than one kiosk Xbox has been sold > (accounts on various blogs) some of which have included the disc. > While likely a contractual violation between Microsoft > and the retailer, it is not illegal to sell it. oh, news for me :) but are you sure that its also legal to create and run modified copies? I unfortunately dont have much knowledge on legal things. -mxn --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe " in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Free60-Devel] bogas?
>oh, news for me :) but are you sure that its also legal to create and>run modified copies? I unfortunately dont have much knowledge on legal>things.I believe so. As long as you do not claim any of the files M$ on thier are yours, it should be legal. Think of it like modding a game or making custom maps.On 10/01/06, Martin Heistermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 11:09:59AM -0700, Nathan Nottingham wrote: > This seems to have> little value given that the shader cannot access system memory.afaik that *is* possible via the memexport function.>> Martin replied before I sent this (damn RL job :) but in regards to > his comment about use of the kiosk disc not being legal; it would> depend on who is using it. More than one kiosk Xbox has been sold> (accounts on various blogs) some of which have included the disc. > While likely a contractual violation between Microsoft> and the retailer, it is not illegal to sell it.oh, news for me :) but are you sure that its also legal to create andrun modified copies? I unfortunately dont have much knowledge on legal things.-mxn---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK!http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7637&alloc_id=16865&op=click --To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe "in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Giles
