Re: mailing lists

2007-12-14 Thread Daniel O'Connor
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Brian wrote:
  Filter on the Sender header.  That is controlled by the list
  manager and doesn't have duplicate names.  For -questions, the
  Sender is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 This is just the kind of thing we should avoid, we're choosing to
 make the more difficult on user route because???

Filter on List-Id.

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Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files src/sys/netinet tcp_ofld.c ?tcp_ofld.h tcp_var.h toedev.h src/sys/sys socket.h

2007-12-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
David Schultz wrote:
  Julian Elischer wrote:
   sys/netinet  tcp_ofld.c tcp_ofld.h toedev.h
 Log:
 Add driver independent interface to offload active established TCP 
 connections
 
 Reviewed by: silby
 
 Revision  ChangesPath
 1.1256+1 -0  src/sys/conf/files
 1.1   +126 -0src/sys/netinet/tcp_ofld.c (new)
 1.1   +198 -0src/sys/netinet/tcp_ofld.h (new)
   
   I think I'd have just gone for
   tcp_offload.c
   it's not the longest filename in the system.

I agree with Julian here.  This isn't DOS where we need
to fit filenames in 8.3 characters.  There's no reason
to abbreviate that way.

  I don't think
  src/contrib/bind9/doc/draft/draft-ietf-dnsext-signed-nonexistence-requirements-01.txt
  should really count because it's a vendor source, though.
  We do, however, have
  src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_compression_compress.c

Just out of curiosity I made a small survery on the src tree.
First in src/sys only (this is a RELENG_6 machine):

$ cd /sys
$ find * | awk -F/ '{print length($NF)}' | sucs -k2
  92 2
 316 3
 251 4
 508 5
 503 6
 587 7
1506 8
 816 9
 919 10
 678 11
 629 12
 499 13
 348 14
 224 15
 153 16
  85 17
  58 18
  48 19
  25 20
  24 21
   6 22
  11 23
   5 24
   5 25
   3 26
   1 29
   1 33

As you can see, the maximum of the count graph of filenames'
lengths is at 8 characters.  The median is 9, the average is
9.4 chars.  18% of the filenames are 13 characters or longer,
therefore tcp_offload.[ch] wouldn't be that unusual at all.

When you look at C source files only (find * -name \*.c),
then the average even reaches 10.6.

By the way, sucs is an alias:  sort | uniq -c | sort -n
(I use that often.)

It's not much different when you look at /usr/src which
includes the 3d party contrib stuff (I grouped some of the
lines for brevity):

$ cd /usr/src
$ find * | awk -F/ '{print length($NF)}' | sucs -k2
  14 1
 437 2
1173 3
1603 4
2489 5
3228 6
3442 7
6647 8
4173 9
3951 10
3370 11
2855 12
1921 13
1565 14
1062 15
 841 16
 752 17
 430 18
 446 19
 707 20 - 24
 250 25 - 29
  95 30 - 34
  51 35 - 39
  12 40 - 44
  11 45 - 49
   1 50
   1 51
   1 52
   1 57

The maximum is at 8 again, the median is 9 again, and the
average is 9.7 (just slightly longer than in /sys).  When
only looking at C source files, the average is 10.2.

Best regards
   Oliver  Mr. Statistics

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Re: mailing lists

2007-12-14 Thread Dan Langille

Brian wrote:

Jason C. Wells wrote:

 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Brian wrote:

The fact that each mailing list exists as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] makes me need to make 2 filters for each 
list I subscribe to.  Can I suggest that if this is going to 
continue, that the server shows one format for all the messages that 
go out?


Filter on the Sender header.  That is controlled by the list manager 
and doesn't have duplicate names.  For -questions, the Sender is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




This is just the kind of thing we should avoid, we're choosing to make 
the more difficult on user route because???


I filter on sender. Have done so for years.  No problem at all.

As for difficult, I understand the list alias exists to make things 
EASIER for users.  They can use either list name.


If this is the biggest problem in your life, consider yourself 
fortunate.  :)


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Re: Wine compatibility and performance on FreeBSD 7

2007-12-14 Thread David King
Do you honestly think that you're going to convince each other of  
anything? Can you at least move it off-list please?



On 13 Dec 2007, at 15:54, Russell Jackson wrote:


Chuck Robey wrote:

Marc Spitzer wrote:

On Dec 12, 2007 11:35 PM, Tom Wickline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Dec 12, 2007 10:30 PM, Marc Spitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

One of the interesting things about socialism, in all in many evil
forms(including gnu/fsf), is that they simply must lie about their
program or no one of average intelligence would be stupid enough  
to
sign up for it.  It just goes to show you that without G_d  
religion

gets much much worse.

marc


That one gave me a chuckle :D

Your just pissed because GPL makes people give back there  
changes! And

from the way it looks you and a couple others
here are mad because you cant go use others work and not have to
contribute. You want the freedom to rob, steal pillage others
hard work for your own good... And now you call this socialism  
because

you cant do it?



This sort of idea is entirely common among the folks who push GPL.   
They

assign their encumbrances to their licenses, THEN they claim (just to
take the attention off the fact that their license, alone, has those
encumbrances) that are mad because you cant go use others  
work (that's
your quote, sir, look above if you disagree).  The BSD license, in  
fact,


Seems like you left off the more important part of the quote, ...  
and not have to
contribute. That is to say that you're free to do what you will  
with the code as long as

you redistribute your changes. It's a simple requirement. Tat for tat.

Stallman believes, rightly, that the freedom of the user is  
ultimately preserved through
the freedom of the code; hence, there are restrictions on  
redistribution in order to
guarantee the former. His writings are quite clear on this point.  
Nobody is lying; you are

just willfully refusing to understand.

DOES allow any user to use the code in any damn way they please,  
all it
means is that folks lose the ability to force anyone else to also  
public

their work.  That's the reason that a huge portion of the commercial
world is actually direclty violating the GPL, and just relying on the
fact that no one has the dollars to go after them (thank god).  BSD
licensed code allows anyone, anywhere, to do whatever they like with
their work, unlike GPL, which is as directly communist/socialist as  
the

definition allows.

The GPLeres always shift attention away from that fact.  Just like  
you
did above.  What about the fact that the BSD license is about 15  
lines

long, while the GPL license is one of the most evilly legalistically
worded documents I;'ve ever seen ... worst that the worst emplyment
document I have ever been asked to sign.  Of course, you're just  
going

to ignore that.

No I am not, the gpl is a thing and I save my spleen for people.
The

thing that pisses me off is that the FSF and their minions
deliberately and knowingly lie about what the terms and conditions  
are

on the license they falsely call free.  Face it when you redefine
common words in the English language to mean something that is found
in no dictionary or daily use and in point of fact contradicts at
least one of the main uses of the word, ie meaning with out cost or
encumbrance, you are willingly lieing through your fucking teeth and
you know it.

I am not compelled to do do anything as I avoid the entire family of
gnu licenses except as an end user, so they get nothing and I can
still use their software hahaha

umm this is s freebsd list and freebsd has done quite well by having
faith in the inherent decency of people in general, netgraph and  
BASM
come to mind.  Further  more oh yea of little history unix, and  
linux,

would not have grown to the degree it did if the berkley code was
gpled, OS/Kernel features were competitive advantage back then,
because I could not keep the code closed and it would have  
conflicted

with ATT's license as well.


hahahaha What a crock of shit!

stop projecting.

marc


Tom








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7.0 BETA4, RC1 and everything after

2007-12-14 Thread Robert Atkinson
I've noticed that the 7.0 BETA4 schedule has not been updated but that
builds are available?
RC1 was anticipated to begin Dec. 12th.

Anyone with a better bird's eye than I able to give some thought on the
overall progress toward RC1?
I've looked at commits, problem reports and the like but thought I'd throw
the question out there.

I know the simple answer is: When it's ready. I'm just curious about the
progress

Oh, and kudos all that have worked hard on 7.0. I'm impressed more now than
I was when I first tried 4.X.

Thanks,
Robert
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