Re: Waiting for approval on review.freebsd

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 11 March 2020 at 10:55:07 +0100, Gautier Wojda wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been waiting for a few days to be accepted on review.freebsd.org to
> report patches.
> Do any of you have the rights to validate my request?

chat@ is the wrong list to send this kind of message.  I'd point you
to a better place, but I don't understand what your problem is.  What
do you mean by "review.freebsd.org"?  It's not a valid IP address.
Are you waiting for registration, or are you waiting for a review to
be completed?

In general you'll get better results if you specify your issue in more
detail.  I'd suggest looking through the home page
https://www.freebsd.org/ and following relevant links.

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Re: What Larry McVoy (bitkeeper) got wrong ....

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Saturday, 23 July 2016 at 19:31:13 +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
> Pedro Giffuni  writes:
>> I was in the process of preparing a port of bitkeeper and I found this:
>>
>> https://github.com/bitkeeper-scm/bitkeeper
>>
>> "The BitKeeper history needs to be written up but the short version is
>> that it happened because Larry wanted to help Linux not turn into a
>> bunch of splintered factions like 386BSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD,
>> DragonFlyBSD, etc. He saw that the problem was one of tooling. ..."
>
> This may be poorly written, but what they're trying to say is that there
> was a serious risk of someone forking Linux solely because they were
> tired of the Linus bottleneck, and a DVCS would help avoid that.  That's
> not particularly shocking.

I'm left wondering about the accuracy of the statement, though.  I
didn't think that this was the reason lm wrote Bitkeeper.  I contacted
him, but he wasn't much help.

> Here's a real gem, though: "They stayed in it for three more years
> before moving to Git because BitKeeper wasn't open source."  Because
> clearly, McVoy throwing a hissy fit and revoking their license had
> nothing to do with it.

I think this is a nice way of glossing over the ugly facts.  I don't
see that it's wrong.

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Re: An Altair 8800 ... running FreeBSD ;)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Thursday, 20 August 2015 at  5:51:53 -0800, Royce Williams wrote:
 Why didn't anyone mention this port to me? ;)

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/151786056996

 The auction says It has not been started up - so maybe there's a
 Powered by FreeBSD sticker on the chassis or something ...

Yes, there's a photo of it.  It's peeling off.

Ah, that brings back the memories.

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Re: Analyze and Edit a Binary File

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Monday, 16 February 2015 at 18:37:08 -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote:

 I use some engineering software called Catia. The files produced by
 Catia encode a software version number. If the version number is
 greater than the version of the installed software, Catia refuses to
 open the file. This is annoying in the extreme. Especially if you want
 to share files in the spirit of open source. If the files that I create
 are newer than the Catia version of my audience, then my audience can't
 use my files.

 My question to my more knowledgeable computer geek friends: How do I
 analyze and edit an arbitrary binary file?

Those are two different questions, of course.  You know the version
number; if it's relatively complicated (2.2.7.1, for example), it may
be stored as character text.  In that case, there will be relatively
few false positives if you search for the text.  If it's simple (2,
for example), you'd need to run the software in a debugger and find
where it does the comparison.  That's much more difficult.

As for editing: Emacs, of course :-)

Seriously, it does work.  I've used it on occasion, and at least one
package I've seen asks you to edit binary files with Emacs as part of
the build process.  Just make very sure not to change the length of
the file.

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Re: Unified BSD?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Monday, 12 November 2012 at 21:37:41 +0100, Robin  Björklin wrote:

 First and foremost I'd like to present myself, I'm a young and naive
 junior sys admin that think people should be able to compromise and
 see the bigger picture and the good of the cause.

It shows :-)

 As all of you probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux
 these days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm
 wondering is why the BSD community which from what I can gather
 isn't as big as the Linux community have decided to split their
 resources into several different projects/forks/distributions. To me
 it seems *BSD would be in a more competitive shape if all developers
 would get in under one roof?

There's 20 years of history to explain that.  Where should I begin?
Should I begin?

- The initial split was between Bill Jolitz and the rest of the world.
  This was partially personality driven, partially goal driven.  Bill
  soon faded out, leaving just the NetBSD project.

- Next came the split between NetBSD and FreeBSD.  That was mainly
  goal driven, but there was also a fair amount of personality
  involved.

- Then came the Unix wars, where ATT sued BSDI (a commercial variant
  that no longer exists) over perceived copyright infringement.  The
  free BSDs weren't really directly involved, but the suit would have
  been just as relevant, and people were worried.

  This was the time that Linux was in the ascendancy.  Users had the
  choice of a free GPL system or one which might land them in
  trouble.  Most chose the safe option.

- Then OpenBSD split from NetBSD.  Mainly personality driven AFAICT.
  This doesn't imply any criticism of the founder of the new project.

  Round about this time I wrote a paper on the subject, which I
  presented in various conferences.  You can find numerous versions at
  http://www.lemis.com/grog/Papers/, including Why BSD is better than
  Linux, presented at the Linux.conf.au in Brisbane.

- Then DragonflyBSD split from FreeBSD.  Mainly personality driven
  AFAICT.  Again, this doesn't imply any criticism of the founder of
  the new project.

And that's where we are.  We have 4 different BSD kernels which
regularly borrow from each other.  Some projects, such as PCBSD, take
these kernels and package them differently.

Looking across the fence, I see that there is no distribution of Linux
with a completely standard kernel (I think), and lots of different
distributions with significantly different interfaces.  On the whole,
I'd say that BSD is more uniform than Linux.

 Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four
 largest BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of
 each and create a Unified BSD?

Maybe not, but there are many reasons it won't happen.  One is the
structure of the individual projects, and another is that the current
system works well.  If you only have one kernel, you don't have people
implementing different solutions for a problem, so you don't find out
which is better.

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Re: Development interface and editor

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 31 March 2010 at 13:36:02 -0600, Jorge Biquez wrote:
 Hello all.
 This not only FreeBsd related so I decided to post it here.

 - Can you comment about what GUI interface do you use (if any) for
 PHP Development?

For a lot of us, the terms GUI and editor are mutually exclusive.
You need to be able to type in an editor.

 - Can you comment on what editor do you use for PHP development?
 (yes i know is a matter of what you like but since I do not use any
 other that simple notepad looking for better options).

I use Emacs.  In a deviation from the typical editor wars scenario, I
find it seriously suboptimal for PHP (or any other mixed-syntax
language), since it can't tell what's HTML and what's PHP.  I'm told
that vi does better here, but I've been using Emacs for 30 years, and
my fingers are conditioned to it.  If you're new to editors, I'd
recommend that you find one editor that you can do everything with.
For me, that would still be Emacs, despite the problems with PHP.  It
does fine as long as there's no HTML in there.

 Another told me to get anold product for developing web pages that
 has its own editor and ready for php. The advantage is that has
 syntax checking and a help included with php syntax uses, examples,
 etc.

The disadvantage is that you probably can't use it for much else.

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Re: Oracle buys Sun

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 17:16:33 +0200, Dag-Erling Smrgrav wrote:
 Greg 'groggy' Lehey g...@freebsd.org writes:
 Jayton Garnett jayton.garn...@gmail.com writes:
 I just can not help but feel that buying Sun had something to do
 with MySQL's demise and possibly ceasing funding for any of it's
 development.

 Where do you get that idea from?  Sun hasn't ceased funding--quite the
 contrary.

 Think future, not past.

That doesn't fit Jayton's original statement.  Sun is in the past in
this scenario.

 Why would Oracle want to finance the development of one of their
 main competitors?

If they buy them, they're not a competitor.

Thinking future means forgetting the lessons of history.  Why did
Oracle buy InnoBase, which only runs on MySQL?  Admittedly, we at
MySQL did a lot of head-scratching about that at the time, but it
certainly didn't look like they were trying to close things down.
FWIW, during my time at MySQL, Oracle continued active development of
InnoDB.

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Bill Joy's contribution (was: BSD)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 20:07:54 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
 Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
 On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +, Rick N wrote:
   (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's
 (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the
 BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun
 Microsytems in the late '70's.

 This is more than a slight understatement.  Bill Joy created BSD, more
 or less single-handedly.

 Suppose this could be true, but it's not what I read ... that it
 started with the 4 folks in the CSRG, but began (pretty early on)
 getting contributions from all over the globe.  I wouldn't want to
 minimize what Bill Joy did, but saying he did it more of less
 singlehandedly seems to be an unfair exaggeration.

The CSRG came much later.  There's some relatively accurate info in
Wikipedia.  First, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bsd :

  Other universities became interested in the software at Berkeley,
  and so in 1977 Bill Joy, then a graduate student at Berkeley,
  assembled and sent out tapes of the first Berkeley Software
  Distribution (1BSD).

At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Systems_Research_Group :

  In 1980 Professor Fabry signed a contract with the Defense Advanced
  Research Projects Agency to develop UNIX even further to accommodate
  the specific requirements of the ARPAnet. With the funding of DARPA,
  Fabry created the Computer Systems Research Group.

Clearly Bill Joy didn't do all the work over the years, but he started
it off (created it).  Once CSRG came along, he was only one of many.
Of course, the real person to state the question is mckusick@, who
described the whole thing in Twenty Years of Berkeley Unix
(http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html).

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BSD (was: Oracle buys Sun)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +, Rick N wrote:

   (Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's
 (and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the
 BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun
 Microsytems in the late '70's.

This is more than a slight understatement.  Bill Joy created BSD, more
or less single-handedly.

[trailing garbage omitted]

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Can anybody terminate an IP-IP tunnel for me?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

In a few weeks' time I'll be moving house, and it looks as if the new
address currently doesn't have ADSL, so I'll be forced to use
satellite again.  I've done some investigation, and the costs don't
look too prohibitive, but almost nobody is prepared to route my /24
net block (192.109.197.0/24).

One alternative would be to route the block through an IP-IP tunnel
from somewhere else in the Internet.  I see a couple of potential
problems with this approach:

* I need somebody to provide the service.  Do you know of anybody who
  can help here, for a reasonable price, or can you help yourself?
  Somewhere in Australia would be better, but given the satellite
  delay it could be almost anywhere in the world.  I'd be looking to
  route about 2 GB a month, and the download speed of the satellite
  link is limited to 1 MB/s.

* How do I terminate the IP-IP tunnel at my end?  The last time I used
  it, I had a static IP address for the end of the link, and another
  for the end of the tunnel, which implies routing that address.  This
  won't work in the scenario I'm looking at.  Is it possible to route
  the tunnel to the same address as the external interface IP address?
  Alternatively, is there another way to handle this issue?

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Re: Penske or Budget?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 18 April 2007 at 23:42:27 -0400, Dan Langille wrote:
 If you had to rent a 10' or 16' truck for a 1500 mile trip, would you
 pick Penske or Budget?

No, I don't think so.

I suppose the real question is whether you leave the state or not.
There are plenty of el cheapo rental companies, but many won't let you
go interstate.

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Re: what can i do with a 486?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 17 January 2007 at 23:21:00 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you install FreeBSD on a 486 machine?

Sure.  I use one to brew my beer.
http://www.lemis.com/grog/brewing/temperature-control.html

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Daemon story (was: Only in Texas)

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Tuesday, 24 October 2006 at  8:18:18 -0500, Kenneth P. Stox wrote:
 http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html

(The Are you a satanist quote).

This has been in the preface to The Complete FreeBSD since the
zeroth edition (24 February 1996).  I got it from Rob Kolstad, who got
it from Linda Brannigan.

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Re: Lunch and...

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Wednesday, 17 May 2006 at 13:58:17 -0400, Diane Bruce wrote:
 On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 06:35:26PM +0100, Liam J. Foy wrote:
 I was having lunch and decided to run the toilet. I was happy to
 see beastie joined me too:

 http://netbsd.org/~liamjfoy/sweet.jpg

 Thats a condom machine, by the way. I think there are multiple
 ones popping up all over. I have seen about three to date in three
 different restaurants/bars.

 I saw a photo of one these on the net a year or two back, I e-mailed
 Kirk then. I don't know if he did anything about it.

IIRC this has been around there, and Kirk knows about it.  It looks
like he hasn't been able to eradicate the abuse :-(

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In Stockholm this week

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

I'm spending this week (14 November) and the beginning of the
following week with the MySQL cluster team in Stockholm.  If anybody's
interested in getting together, please contact me.  When not at work,
I'll be staying in the Crystal Plaza Hotel in the Birger Jarlsgatan
(Phone 08 406 88 00).  I'll also have my mobile phone with me (see
headers), but that's a very expensive alternative.

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In Athens this week

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

I'll be in Athens for a company meeting from tomorrow (Tuesday 8
November) until Sunday, 13 November.  I'll be pretty busy, but
Saturday might be quieter.  If anybody wants to get together, please
let me know.  I'll be staying at the Divani Caravel Hotel, phone 210
7207000, but I should be on the net most of the time.  In case of
emergency, you should also be able to get me on my mobile phone,
+61-418-838-708.

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Re: What Happened to the Newbies Mailing List?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Saturday, 15 October 2005 at 21:36:00 -0700, Annelise Anderson wrote:

 I have just noticed (yes, I've been a little out of touch)

Welcome back!  It's been a while.

 that the newbies mailing list disappeared in March or April of this
 year.

 This is, probably, a good decision (technical questions
 were being asked, and often badly answered) but I'm just
 curious who decided and why.

I had been suggesting it for a long time, for exactly the reasons you
mentioned, but in the end, I think it was the Core Team.

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Daemon image with a beer mug?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

I'm just putting the finishing touches on a paper that I'll present at
the AUUG 2005 conference (see http://www.auug.org.au/ for details).
The paper is about using FreeBSD to control the fermentation process.

Normally I put a beastie image at the bottom right of the slides (see
http://www.lemis.com/SMPng/AUUG2001/slides.pdf for an example), but in
this case it would seem appropriate to have the beastie holding a mug
of beer.  I seem to remember having seen something like that once, but
I can't trace it.  If you know where there is one, please let me know.

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Re: Ottawa colo recommendations?

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Thursday, 14 July 2005 at  8:31:17 -0400, Dan Langille wrote:
 Hey folks,

 I'm looking to relocated a colo box in the Ottawa area.

 My preferences: cheap, 100% uptime is not required, doesn't have to
 be a blisteringly fast connection.  I don't need 24-hour access to
 the box.  I don't need a support line I can call at any hour of the
 day.

JOOI, why does it need to be local?  My web server is in Canberra,
mainly for hysterical raisins, but I had also considered Germany at
the time when they were selling them at bargain basement prices.

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