Re: Games
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:48:50 EST, Rod Taylor wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD
source tree?
Politics and hysterical raisins. If you don't want the gamey games,
apply the diffs below to your source.
Caio,
Sheldon.
Index: Makefile.inc1
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v
retrieving revision 1.65
diff -u -d -r1.65 Makefile.inc1
--- Makefile.inc1 1999/03/01 01:09:06 1.65
+++ Makefile.inc1 1999/03/01 09:26:18
@@ -828,9 +828,6 @@
.endif
.for d in \
bin/sh \
- ${_adventure} \
- ${_hack}\
- ${_phantasia} \
gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc_tools \
lib/libmytinfo \
${_linux} \
Index: games/Makefile
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/games/Makefile,v
retrieving revision 1.15
diff -u -d -r1.15 Makefile
--- Makefile1998/08/30 20:58:16 1.15
+++ Makefile1999/03/02 14:57:30
@@ -2,44 +2,19 @@
# $Id: Makefile,v 1.15 1998/08/30 20:58:16 gpalmer Exp $
# XXX missing: chess ching monop [copyright]
-SUBDIR= adventure \
- arithmetic \
- atc \
- backgammon \
- battlestar \
+SUBDIR= \
bcd \
- bs \
caesar \
- canfield \
- cribbage \
- dm \
factor \
- fish \
fortune \
grdc \
- hack \
- hangman \
- larn \
- mille \
morse \
number \
- phantasia \
- piano \
pig \
pom \
ppt \
primes \
- quiz \
- rain \
random \
- robots \
- rogue \
- sail \
- snake \
- trek \
- wargames \
- worm \
- worms \
- wump
+ \
.include bsd.subdir.mk
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Re: Games
On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are broken in the absense of fortune. If I remember correctly .cshrc contains [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] ... so this shouldn't be an issue. BTW.: My /usr/games contains nothing (3.1-Stable install, cvsup to current and make world with NOGAMES=YES). The only thing I've noticed is: hack istn't there anymore, but thats expected. Bye, Alexander. -- http://netchild.home.pages.de A.Leidinger @ wurzelausix.cs.uni-sb.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
Alexander Leidinger wrote: On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are broken in the absense of fortune. If I remember correctly .cshrc contains [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] ... so this shouldn't be an issue. Well, some people seem to be able to survive without fortune, but that's probably the exception to the rule... :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
RE: Games
-Original Message- From: Daniel C. Sobral [SMTP:d...@newsguy.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 1999 1:14 PM To: Alexander Leidinger Cc: curr...@freebsd.org; tr49...@rcc.on.ca Subject: Re: Games Alexander Leidinger wrote: On 1 Apr, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are broken in the absense of fortune. If I remember correctly .cshrc contains [ -x /usr/games/fortune ] ... so this shouldn't be an issue. Well, some people seem to be able to survive without fortune, but that's probably the exception to the rule... :-) [ML] Oh, I can live without fortune(6), but pom(6) was invaluable in software malfunction diagnosis: luser: My program fails when I do this or that. me: types pom No wonder, the moon is 73% full. /Marino -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD source tree? For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into ports only? I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to function. (Not like IE for windows ;) As far as I am concerned, things like fortune, pom, pig and banner have been included with BSD-ish systems for ages... Tradition... I wouldn't feel the same if I didn't get my fortune every login. also, don't you have the option to not have the games? -Jason J. Horton ja...@intercom.com Senior Network Systems Engineer Intercom Online Inc. 212.378.2202 | http://www.intercom.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, Jason J. Horton wrote: also, don't you have the option to not have the games? The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people consider useful. The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) rip out the games and leave behind the utilities, where words in quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, Jason J. Horton wrote: also, don't you have the option to not have the games? The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people consider useful. The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) rip out the games and leave behind the utilities, where words in quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. You stripped DM, which has it's uses. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org nothing better than the ability to perform cunning linguistics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
On 01-Apr-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:43:51 EST, Jason J. Horton wrote: also, don't you have the option to not have the games? The problem with NOGAMES is that it strips things that some people consider useful. The diffs I posted earlier today (same subject line) rip out the games and leave behind the utilities, where words in quotes are subjective matters, and hence not worth discussing. They aren't exactly huge either, my /usr/obj/usr/src/games only has 4 Meg in it, and that's including all the object files in addition to the executables. Ciao, Sheldon. --- John Baldwin jobal...@vt.edu -- http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/ PGP Key: http://members.freedomnet.com/~jbaldwin/pgpkey.asc Power Users Use the Power to Serve! - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Rod Taylor wrote: Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD source tree? For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into ports only? I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to function. (Not like IE for windows ;) As far as I am concerned, things like fortune, pom, pig and banner have been included with BSD-ish systems for ages... Tradition... I wouldn't feel the same if I didn't get my fortune every login. also, don't you have the option to not have the games? It's not just a matter of turning them off though. A few of the games in the distro are trademark infringements. While the product I'm developing that uses FreeBSD doesn't have the games installed, it brought up the comment from our lawyers What else are they infringing on that we *are* using? (see trek, mille, boggle, tetris, wargames) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
:It's not just a matter of turning them off though. A few of the games in the :distro are trademark infringements. While the product I'm developing that :uses FreeBSD doesn't have the games installed, it brought up the comment :from our lawyers What else are they infringing on that we *are* using? : :(see trek, mille, boggle, tetris, wargames) : :Kevin Tetris hasn't been in the distribution for a while. Your lawyers need a dose of reality if they think the existance of the other games in a distribution could ever come back to haunt you or your company. Tell them to screw their heads on straight and try again. If your really worried, just delete them. -Matt Matthew Dillon dil...@backplane.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
:It's not just a matter of turning them off though. A few of the games in the :distro are trademark infringements. While the product I'm developing that :uses FreeBSD doesn't have the games installed, it brought up the comment :from our lawyers What else are they infringing on that we *are* using? : :(see trek, mille, boggle, tetris, wargames) : :Kevin Tetris hasn't been in the distribution for a while. Oops, i did an 'ls /usr/games' on a machine that's been around since 2.2.2. Ok, forget tetris. Your lawyers need a dose of reality if they think the existance of the other games in a distribution could ever come back to haunt you or your company. Tell them to screw their heads on straight and try again. If your really worried, just delete them. That wasn't really the issue though. It's that FreeBSD is infringing on trademarks in the games distribution, so what's to make them think that the vm system isn't an infringement? (i.e. They're the type of people who don't care about trademarks/copyrights. How can we trust this code?) It also probably doesn't help things that i'm working for a video game company. /usr/games is deleted here, anyway. :) Kevin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
Rod Taylor wrote: Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD source tree? For a group of people that was so worried about including dhcp because it's extra code, don't you think it's time to make those games into ports only? I say this under the assumption that they're not required for FreeBSD to function. (Not like IE for windows ;) Well, first of all, .profile, .cshrc and signature scripts are broken in the absense of fortune. Aside from that, because that's the BSD heritage. It was once suggested taking them out if they could be made into ports. But, then, the first issue came up. :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) d...@newsguy.com d...@freebsd.org Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
Re: Games
In message 370308c1.9b908...@rcc.on.ca, Rod Taylor writes: Just out of curiosity, why are there games included in the FreeBSD source tree? because: 1. They've always been there. 2. Every now and then factor comes handy. 3. Fortune is cool. 4. Deleting games is something people without humour does. -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member p...@freebsd.org Real hackers run -current on their laptop. FreeBSD -- It will take a long time before progress goes too far! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message
