[Not this year] Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-11-16 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 08:13:18PM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:19:57AM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:
  (cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)
  
  Hello,
  
  Last year FreeBSD qualified for Google Code-In 2011 event--contest for
  youngest open-source hackers in 13-17yr age range:
  
  http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012
  
  It was successful. We gained one more FreeBSD developer thanks to that
  (Isabell Long) We're pondering participating in the contest this year as
  well.
  
  For now we only have 25 ideas. We need at least 100.
  
  I felt all members of the FreeBSD community should help, so please submit
  your own Google Code-In 2012 ideas here:
  
  http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1
  
  Examples of previously completed tasks:
  
  http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2011Tasks
  
  Those of you who have Wiki access, please spent 2 more minutes and submit
  straight to Wiki:
  
  http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks
  
  I plan to send out next e-mail if there's any progress on this project.
  
  Help will be appreciated.
 
 Hello,
 
 This is last call for action. 
 
 As for now, we won't qualify. I suggest doc@ and ports@ and www@ and src@
 teams to try to come up with some ideas and add them to Wiki. Most of the
 ideas which we have so far are more GSOC-alike.
 
 Unless we have at least 80 tasks of the easy/medium type, we'll have to
 postpone participating in Code-In for next year.
 
 Thanks,

Hello,

We didn't make it this year.

I want to thank all the people who submitted (and keep submitting) ideas for
our Google Code-In wiki page:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

In total I got 61 ideas over e-mail from the web form (lessons learnt: for
GSOC, we should also have a web form) All of them should be on the Wiki now.

I suggest we keep collecting good ideas and try to make sure this years GSOC
will be successful.

On the other note--NetBSD guys are in Google Code-In..

Thanks,

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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-11-02 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:19:57AM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:
 (cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)
 
 Hello,
 
 Last year FreeBSD qualified for Google Code-In 2011 event--contest for
 youngest open-source hackers in 13-17yr age range:
 
   http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012
 
 It was successful. We gained one more FreeBSD developer thanks to that
 (Isabell Long) We're pondering participating in the contest this year as
 well.
 
 For now we only have 25 ideas. We need at least 100.
 
 I felt all members of the FreeBSD community should help, so please submit
 your own Google Code-In 2012 ideas here:
 
   http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1
 
 Examples of previously completed tasks:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2011Tasks
 
 Those of you who have Wiki access, please spent 2 more minutes and submit
 straight to Wiki:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks
 
 I plan to send out next e-mail if there's any progress on this project.
 
 Help will be appreciated.

Hello,

This is last call for action. 

As for now, we won't qualify. I suggest doc@ and ports@ and www@ and src@
teams to try to come up with some ideas and add them to Wiki. Most of the
ideas which we have so far are more GSOC-alike.

Unless we have at least 80 tasks of the easy/medium type, we'll have to
postpone participating in Code-In for next year.

Thanks,

-- 
Wojciech A. Koszek
wkos...@freebsd.czest.pl
http://FreeBSD.czest.pl/~wkoszek/
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Vale
fwiw, im about to start hacking away at bsd.ports.mk and alike for this 
exact reason (i'm trying to avoid doing so).  am i free/welcome/open to 
register this on Google SOC?  will anybody here mentor?


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vale

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:21 AM
To: Chuck Burns ; freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

yeah, 32-bit vs. 64, or mips, arm, etc etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Burns

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:04 AM
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Fw: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

On 10/24/2012 4:57 PM, Michael Vale wrote:



-Original Message- From: Michael Vale Sent: Thursday, October
25, 2012 8:57 AM To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In
2012? You can help too!
oh i only replied to you, not the thread.

I have some ideas though...

-Original Message- From: Adrian Chadd Sent: Thursday, October
25, 2012 8:29 AM To: Michael Vale Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In
2012? You can help too!
:-)

Cross-compiling ports is a big issue though. I'm going to smack people
over the head about it at MeetBSD.



That's a good idea, fix ports so that one can compile 32bit ports on
FreeBSD amd64.  If that's not what you meant, then ok.. but it's still a
good idea for a task. :P


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Eitan Adler li...@eitanadler.com wrote:
 On 24 October 2012 13:24, Fernando Apesteguía
 fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also related to that, what about writing a section about redports[1]
 in the porter's handbook[2]?

 This is a good documentation task... but we need more *coding* tasks as well.

What about improving bsd ctags by adding a recursive mode like in GNU ctags?


 And as a side question, shouldn't some (or all) of these tasks be
 listed also in JuniorTasks[3]?

 I'll link the page: good point.
 --
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Stefan Esser
Am 25.10.2012 00:01, schrieb Michael Vale:
 Another idea, how about reducing the size of libc, porting bionic back
 to freebsd and/or porting musl libc (http://www.musl-libc.org) to FreeBSD?

I did not try to run any programs linked with musl under FreeBSD,
but it builds flawlessly with GCC and CLANG on my amd64 -CURRENT
system. The only change required was to teach GNU configure about
amd64 (they expected x86_64).

Making a real port is trivial bbut clearly a task for a junior
programmer ...

Regards, STefan
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Vale



-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vale

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:02 AM
To: Stefan Esser
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

yeah it builds fine as it has no dependencies.

currently it only has syscalls for linux (emulation) and any binary app you
build against it has to be brandelf'd Linux.

I would like to see the freebsd syscalls, mutex/futexes coded into it so it
could be a drop in replacement for the bsd toolchain when cross-compiling
for mips / zrouter.org.

plus i believe the mips kernel doesn't have linux emulation. (i could be
wrong).  but yeah, a native port would require kernel hacking skills.

re,

michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Stefan Esser

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 12:55 AM
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Cc: Michael Vaile
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

Am 25.10.2012 00:01, schrieb Michael Vale:

Another idea, how about reducing the size of libc, porting bionic back
to freebsd and/or porting musl libc (http://www.musl-libc.org) to FreeBSD?


I did not try to run any programs linked with musl under FreeBSD,
but it builds flawlessly with GCC and CLANG on my amd64 -CURRENT
system. The only change required was to teach GNU configure about
amd64 (they expected x86_64).

Making a real port is trivial bbut clearly a task for a junior
programmer ...

Regards, STefan 


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Vale
in it's current state it makes sense to install it into /compat/linux(/lib) 
and build ports with USE_LINUX_PREFIX etc on


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vale

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:03 AM
To: Stefan Esser ; freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!



-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vale

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:02 AM
To: Stefan Esser
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

yeah it builds fine as it has no dependencies.

currently it only has syscalls for linux (emulation) and any binary app you
build against it has to be brandelf'd Linux.

I would like to see the freebsd syscalls, mutex/futexes coded into it so it
could be a drop in replacement for the bsd toolchain when cross-compiling
for mips / zrouter.org.

plus i believe the mips kernel doesn't have linux emulation. (i could be
wrong).  but yeah, a native port would require kernel hacking skills.

re,

michael.

-Original Message- 
From: Stefan Esser

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 12:55 AM
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Cc: Michael Vaile
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

Am 25.10.2012 00:01, schrieb Michael Vale:

Another idea, how about reducing the size of libc, porting bionic back
to freebsd and/or porting musl libc (http://www.musl-libc.org) to FreeBSD?


I did not try to run any programs linked with musl under FreeBSD,
but it builds flawlessly with GCC and CLANG on my amd64 -CURRENT
system. The only change required was to teach GNU configure about
amd64 (they expected x86_64).

Making a real port is trivial bbut clearly a task for a junior
programmer ...

Regards, STefan 


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Michael Vale mas...@internode.on.net wrote:

 -Original Message- From: Michael Vale
 Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:02 AM
 To: Stefan Esser

 Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

 yeah it builds fine as it has no dependencies.

 currently it only has syscalls for linux (emulation) and any binary app you
 build against it has to be brandelf'd Linux.

 I would like to see the freebsd syscalls, mutex/futexes coded into it so it
 could be a drop in replacement for the bsd toolchain when cross-compiling
 for mips / zrouter.org.

 plus i believe the mips kernel doesn't have linux emulation. (i could be
 wrong).  but yeah, a native port would require kernel hacking skills.

Only x86 has Linux compat support (amd64. i386, and pc98), and
true amd64 (64-bit, biarch) Linux compat is missing, FYI. It's a
doable task, but there would need to be some fudging done with the
syscall table (I committed a script in LTP which groks unistd.h for
this info on Linux), you'd need to add architecture dependent
syscalls, and do some other fun tasks.
Cheers,
-Garrett
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-25 Thread Michael Vale
yeah i'm aware of most of these good points you raise, however would not 
know how to implement my first syscall, i've been saving/bookmarking 
resources which i believe could be helpful.  i would definately need a 
mentor on this project.  it would be great also to see freebsd/zrouter on 
300% more mips devices as most only have 4MB flash and this is one thing we 
really need to get the filesizes down (don't forget bionic (derived from bsd 
libc for android) bionics libc is very small, smaller infact than musl, 
however i'm not sure how complete, and i believe much of the same work is 
required as android uses the linux kernel.


-Original Message- 
From: Garrett Cooper

Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:10 AM
To: Michael Vale
Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Michael Vale mas...@internode.on.net 
wrote:


-Original Message- From: Michael Vale
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 3:02 AM
To: Stefan Esser

Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

yeah it builds fine as it has no dependencies.

currently it only has syscalls for linux (emulation) and any binary app 
you

build against it has to be brandelf'd Linux.

I would like to see the freebsd syscalls, mutex/futexes coded into it so 
it

could be a drop in replacement for the bsd toolchain when cross-compiling
for mips / zrouter.org.

plus i believe the mips kernel doesn't have linux emulation. (i could be
wrong).  but yeah, a native port would require kernel hacking skills.


   Only x86 has Linux compat support (amd64. i386, and pc98), and
true amd64 (64-bit, biarch) Linux compat is missing, FYI. It's a
doable task, but there would need to be some fudging done with the
syscall table (I committed a script in LTP which groks unistd.h for
this info on Linux), you'd need to add architecture dependent
syscalls, and do some other fun tasks.
Cheers,
-Garrett
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Lars Engels
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:59:07PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote:
 On 23 October 2012 12:54, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
  On Tue, October 23, 2012 10:39, Fbsd8 wrote:
 
  The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at
  creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was
  15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation.
  I would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a
  lot of simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that
  young coders would find more interesting.
 
  It would depend on what one's interests were.
 
 Google code-in is aimed at *coders* and there is an expectation of
 people writing *code*.
 
 The biggest complaint for GCI last year was not enough coding tasks

What about creating a new port? That is some kind of coding. If we can
find some software that isn't ported, yet and not too hard to port (e.g.
the wanted ports page in the wiki) we could make a task proposal of it.
And one generic create a port for a piece of software that hasn't been
ported, yet.
Feel free to add me as a mentor for such a task.


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Eitan Adler
On 24 October 2012 13:24, Fernando Apesteguía
fernando.apesteg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also related to that, what about writing a section about redports[1]
 in the porter's handbook[2]?

This is a good documentation task... but we need more *coding* tasks as well.

 And as a side question, shouldn't some (or all) of these tasks be
 listed also in JuniorTasks[3]?

I'll link the page: good point.
-- 
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Fernando Apesteguía
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Lars Engels lars.eng...@0x20.net wrote:
 On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 03:59:07PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote:
 On 23 October 2012 12:54, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
  On Tue, October 23, 2012 10:39, Fbsd8 wrote:
 
  The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at
  creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was
  15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation.
  I would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a
  lot of simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that
  young coders would find more interesting.
 
  It would depend on what one's interests were.

 Google code-in is aimed at *coders* and there is an expectation of
 people writing *code*.

 The biggest complaint for GCI last year was not enough coding tasks

 What about creating a new port? That is some kind of coding. If we can
 find some software that isn't ported, yet and not too hard to port (e.g.
 the wanted ports page in the wiki) we could make a task proposal of it.
 And one generic create a port for a piece of software that hasn't been
 ported, yet.
 Feel free to add me as a mentor for such a task.

Also related to that, what about writing a section about redports[1]
in the porter's handbook[2]?

And as a side question, shouldn't some (or all) of these tasks be
listed also in JuniorTasks[3]?

Just my two cents.

[1] https://redports.org/
[2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/book.html
[3] http://wiki.freebsd.org/JuniorJobs
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Vale
Another idea, how about reducing the size of libc, porting bionic back to 
freebsd and/or porting musl libc (http://www.musl-libc.org) to FreeBSD?


-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Chadd 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:29 AM 
To: Michael Vale 
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too! 


:-)

Cross-compiling ports is a big issue though. I'm going to smack people
over the head about it at MeetBSD.


adrian

On 24 October 2012 14:22, Michael Vale mas...@internode.on.net wrote:

for the 18yo+ i'd be happy to finish the zrouter ports cross-compiler and
port it to freebsd.

-Original Message- From: Adrian Chadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:46 AM
To: Wojciech A. Koszek
Cc: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org ; freebsd-current@freebsd.org ;
freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!


That wiki site has a distinct lack of help about:

* what is required from us;
* what the target is (kids, right?)
* some examples of good and bad projects.

Right now I have absolutely no idea what would constitute a good or
bad coding project. :/



adrian
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Vale

yeah, 32-bit vs. 64, or mips, arm, etc etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Burns 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:04 AM 
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org 
Subject: Re: Fw: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too! 


On 10/24/2012 4:57 PM, Michael Vale wrote:



-Original Message- From: Michael Vale Sent: Thursday, October
25, 2012 8:57 AM To: Adrian Chadd Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In
2012? You can help too!
oh i only replied to you, not the thread.

I have some ideas though...

-Original Message- From: Adrian Chadd Sent: Thursday, October
25, 2012 8:29 AM To: Michael Vale Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In
2012? You can help too!
:-)

Cross-compiling ports is a big issue though. I'm going to smack people
over the head about it at MeetBSD.



That's a good idea, fix ports so that one can compile 32bit ports on 
FreeBSD amd64.  If that's not what you meant, then ok.. but it's still a 
good idea for a task. :P



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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-24 Thread Michael Vale
P.s. - for what it's worth -  Google are interested in porting bionic back 
to *BSD, i've seen some discussion on the NetBSD lists.


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Vale

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:01 AM
To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

Another idea, how about reducing the size of libc, porting bionic back to
freebsd and/or porting musl libc (http://www.musl-libc.org) to FreeBSD?

-Original Message- 
From: Adrian Chadd

Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:29 AM
To: Michael Vale
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

:-)

Cross-compiling ports is a big issue though. I'm going to smack people
over the head about it at MeetBSD.


adrian

On 24 October 2012 14:22, Michael Vale mas...@internode.on.net wrote:

for the 18yo+ i'd be happy to finish the zrouter ports cross-compiler and
port it to freebsd.

-Original Message- From: Adrian Chadd
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 5:46 AM
To: Wojciech A. Koszek
Cc: freebsd-hack...@freebsd.org ; freebsd-current@freebsd.org ;
freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!


That wiki site has a distinct lack of help about:

* what is required from us;
* what the target is (kids, right?)
* some examples of good and bad projects.

Right now I have absolutely no idea what would constitute a good or
bad coding project. :/



adrian
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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Fbsd8

Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:19:57AM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:

(cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)

Hello,

Last year FreeBSD qualified for Google Code-In 2011 event--contest for
youngest open-source hackers in 13-17yr age range:

http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012

It was successful. We gained one more FreeBSD developer thanks to that
(Isabell Long) We're pondering participating in the contest this year as
well.

For now we only have 25 ideas. We need at least 100.

I felt all members of the FreeBSD community should help, so please submit
your own Google Code-In 2012 ideas here:

http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1

Examples of previously completed tasks:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2011Tasks

Those of you who have Wiki access, please spent 2 more minutes and submit
straight to Wiki:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

I plan to send out next e-mail if there's any progress on this project.

Help will be appreciated.



Update:

It looks pretty bad so far. Page:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

Has 38 tasks so far out of which:

~30 would qualify.

Consider this e-mail to be the last call for action. Otherwise we'll have to
pull back and concentrate our efforts on GSOC instead.



The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at 
creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was 
15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation. 
I would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a 
lot of simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that 
young coders would find more interesting.


Such as kern/170090
or
replacing the Freebsd Ipfilter v4.1.28 version with the current Ipfilter 
  version 5.1.2. This is just reusing the tools used last time ipfilter 
was ported over.


Just my 2 cents.

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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
On 23 October 2012 07:39, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote:

 The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at
 creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was
 15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation. I
 would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a lot of
 simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that young coders
 would find more interesting.

 Such as kern/170090
 or
 replacing the Freebsd Ipfilter v4.1.28 version with the current Ipfilter
 version 5.1.2. This is just reusing the tools used last time ipfilter was
 ported over.

 Just my 2 cents.

So where are examples of what other successful open source projects have done?



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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Eitan Adler
On 23 October 2012 12:54, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote:
 On Tue, October 23, 2012 10:39, Fbsd8 wrote:

 The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at
 creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was
 15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation.
 I would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a
 lot of simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that
 young coders would find more interesting.

 It would depend on what one's interests were.

Google code-in is aimed at *coders* and there is an expectation of
people writing *code*.

The biggest complaint for GCI last year was not enough coding tasks


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Eitan Adler
On 23 October 2012 13:11, Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org wrote:

 So where are examples of what other successful open source projects have done?

There are tasks done by the winner last year:
https://www.google-melange.com/gci/student_tasks/google/gci2011/dragooon

Here are all the tasks last year:
https://www.google-melange.com/gci/tasks/google/gci2011


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread David Magda
On Tue, October 23, 2012 10:39, Fbsd8 wrote:

 The subject is Google Code-In and all the posted tasks are directed at
 creating documentation. Not one deals with coding any programs. If I was
 15-17 years old I sure would not be interested in writing documentation.
 I would want to use and develop my coding skills. To that end there a
 lot of simple PR's waiting for attention. This is an target area that
 young coders would find more interesting.

It would depend on what one's interests were. I've known a few technical
writers over the years, and even if that is not one's long-term career
objective, being paid to simply write is something a lot of people
wouldn't mind doing.

It's just that most writers don't hang out on Unix mailing lists. :)


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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Adrian Chadd
Right, lots of PHP coding. Attractive to a student.




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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-23 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek

Dnia 23-10-2012 o 14:05:43 Adrian Chadd adr...@freebsd.org napisał(a):


Right, lots of PHP coding. Attractive to a student.



Nobody prevents students from serving FreeBSD by writing stuff in attractive, 
well documented (books, translations) technologies. We just need to craft a 
task list around things which people consider attractive.

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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-22 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:19:57AM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:
 (cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)
 
 Hello,
 
 Last year FreeBSD qualified for Google Code-In 2011 event--contest for
 youngest open-source hackers in 13-17yr age range:
 
   http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012
 
 It was successful. We gained one more FreeBSD developer thanks to that
 (Isabell Long) We're pondering participating in the contest this year as
 well.
 
 For now we only have 25 ideas. We need at least 100.
 
 I felt all members of the FreeBSD community should help, so please submit
 your own Google Code-In 2012 ideas here:
 
   http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1
 
 Examples of previously completed tasks:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2011Tasks
 
 Those of you who have Wiki access, please spent 2 more minutes and submit
 straight to Wiki:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks
 
 I plan to send out next e-mail if there's any progress on this project.
 
 Help will be appreciated.
 

Update:

It looks pretty bad so far. Page:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

Has 38 tasks so far out of which:

~30 would qualify.

Consider this e-mail to be the last call for action. Otherwise we'll have to
pull back and concentrate our efforts on GSOC instead.

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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-22 Thread Adrian Chadd
That wiki site has a distinct lack of help about:

* what is required from us;
* what the target is (kids, right?)
* some examples of good and bad projects.

Right now I have absolutely no idea what would constitute a good or
bad coding project. :/



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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-22 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:46:21AM -0700, Adrian Chadd wrote:
 That wiki site has a distinct lack of help about:
 
 * what is required from us;
 * what the target is (kids, right?)
 * some examples of good and bad projects.
 
 Right now I have absolutely no idea what would constitute a good or
 bad coding project. :/
 

I updated the Wiki with Sample ideas section:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

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Re: FreeBSD in Google Code-In 2012? You can help too!

2012-10-16 Thread Wojciech A. Koszek
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 10:19:57AM +, Wojciech A. Koszek wrote:
 (cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)
 
 Hello,
 
 Last year FreeBSD qualified for Google Code-In 2011 event--contest for
 youngest open-source hackers in 13-17yr age range:
 
   http://www.google-melange.com/gci/homepage/google/gci2012
 
 It was successful. We gained one more FreeBSD developer thanks to that
 (Isabell Long) We're pondering participating in the contest this year as
 well.
 
 For now we only have 25 ideas. We need at least 100.
 
 I felt all members of the FreeBSD community should help, so please submit
 your own Google Code-In 2012 ideas here:
 
   http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1
 
 Examples of previously completed tasks:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2011Tasks
 
 Those of you who have Wiki access, please spent 2 more minutes and submit
 straight to Wiki:
 
   http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks
 
 I plan to send out next e-mail if there's any progress on this project.
 
 Help will be appreciated.

Hi,

(cross-posted message; please keep discussion on freebsd-hackers@)

I made a mistake -- the web form didn't have Contributor's name, thus I
don't know who of you guys contributed first 9 ideas; e-mail me which ideas
are yours, so that your name can be mentioned on Wiki:

http://wiki.freebsd.org/GoogleCodeIn/2012Tasks

I made slight adjustments to the form to make some fields more precise:

http://www.emailmeform.com/builder/form/4aU93Obxo4NYdVAgb1

Sorry and thanks,

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