Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique
useful doc，greate job！ find a mybe copy/past mistake in 16.7.1： *exec.stop* This is the normal script used to *start *the jail. should be： *exec.stop* This is the normal script used to *stop *the jail. regards, 2013/3/19 Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com To all interested parties; I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's handbook Chapter 16 on Jails. Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better. All feedback welcomed. Use this URL to access it http://www.jails.a1poweruser.**com/http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/ Thank You. __**_ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**currenthttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscribe@** freebsd.org freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Jov blog: http:amutu.com/blog http://amutu.com/blog ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique
Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? This will help keep the noise down. On Mar 18, 2013, at 12:57 PM, Fbsd8 wrote: To all interested parties; I have completed the final draft of the total rewrite of FreeBSD's handbook Chapter 16 on Jails. Before submitting my work for submission to the documentation group for insertion in the handbook I am looking for critique of the work to find errors in concept, wrong use of words, or anything to make it better. All feedback welcomed. Use this URL to access it http://www.jails.a1poweruser.com/ Thank You. Wow, overall that's really quite cool. - Do you have a rough timeframe for when you want feedback? (I would like to give this the time it deserves). -- Feedback right off the bat, (please tell me if I'm off track here): - After a short skim- I do not believe the qjail utilities referenced are appropriate for the FreeBSD handbook. There are many 3rd party approaches to handling/managing jails, some of them with quite long histories and loyal user bases- it is impractical and not appropriate to try to cover any/all of them here. - The Jail Cell vocabulary is a serious departure- and may create some confusion- I'll read thoroughly to get your context right. In what I understand to be the majority of uses, it's confusing to think of the hardware host as the 'jail' and the jailed instance as the 'cell'. - The references and history cite some works, but do not cite the original (and possibly most important) document on jailing, http://docs.freebsd.org/44doc/papers/jail/jail.ps.gz - There are a number of common lexical errors right off the bat, (There instead of Their), etc… -- I look foreword to reading this on my subway commute this week- Best, .ike ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique
Isaac (.ike) Levy writes: Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? This will help keep the noise down. It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to that list. Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Handbook Jail Chapter rewrite available for critique
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Isaac (.ike) Levy writes: Pretty heavy cross-posting here, could you perhaps reign this in to the freebsd-jail@ list, where it can be discussed in-context? This will help keep the noise down. It will also keep down the signal from people who use or are interested in jails, but do not (and do not plan to) subscribe to that list. Respectfully, Robert Huff Great! There really was a need to modernize the handbook with regards to jails. Since I'm not a native English speaker I'll leave grammar and spelling for those who are ;) My first impressions are along the lines: To much scripts, to few examples/scenarios. Our users are smart, show them what can be accomplished with high-level config, leave minutiae to some part of the appendix. Also the exclusion of zfs and vnet is surprising, as those really make jails shine, imo ( although jails really need to be thought about the gray area visa-vi networking in rc-scripts that vnet provides ). How about the resource control, which further makes jails really spiffy. I would have preferred top-level separation of the different methods, ie after the introduction there was one track manual, one for old-school rc-, one for new-school rc- and one for jail.conf-style jails. More specifically I agree with Isaac Levy's, especially in regards to the jail cell terminology: 16.1 Synopsis: the term jail cell is used, long before being defined. 16.2 Introduction: Mentioning jail cells in a historic contest is imho a blatant lie ( they were never known as such ). As far as I know, no official documentation has called them cells, either. That does not mean that it's not an appropriate term, though. As a contrast there is Solaris vocabulary of zones ( cells ) and global zone ( jail system ). In this regard I prefer the solaris one. Most importantly, a large chunk of 16.2 would imo fit much better as a history-appendix. Current and new users don't need to know and consider the limitations of earlier implementations. The generations talked about could perhaps be quantified with a release version :) There are, as stated by Isaac Levy, many (good) utils for managing jails. Why the focus on qjail? I also think that most of the strong points of jails are rendered moot without, in order, zfs and vimage. Linux jails might also interest quite a few people. Best regards Andreas ___ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-current-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
