Re: DeCSS

[Chuck Robey]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Chris Costello wrote:

> On Monday, February 21, 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> > You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you?
> 
>You're one of those people who out words, aren't you? :)

Hey!  I got some cream pies, you two want to go at it?  We'll all cheer!

> 
> 


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Re: DeCSS

[Chris Costello]

On Monday, February 21, 2000, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you?

   You're one of those people who out words, aren't you? :)

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Re: DeCSS

[Bill Fumerola]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2000 at 10:31:35PM -0500, Sergey Babkin wrote:

> > I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you
> > see the page.  (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors)
> > 
> > http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/
> > 
> > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think.
> 
> I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA
> is missing the point completely: why would
> someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ?
> A copy is a copy and it appears to me that
> the encrypted bits written on the disk surface
> could be copied just exactly as well as the
> decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they
> start this activity is because otherwise they
> would lose some kind of royalties from the 
> DVD-players manufacturers.

You're one of those people who follows instructions, are you?

I'll restate what Peter said.

> > Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think.

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Re: DeCSS

[Sergey Babkin]

Peter Wemm wrote:
> 
> I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you
> see the page.  (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors)
> 
> http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/
> 
> Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think.

I can't help keeping wondering if this MAA
is missing the point completely: why would
someone need the decryption to make a _copy_ ?
A copy is a copy and it appears to me that
the encrypted bits written on the disk surface
could be copied just exactly as well as the
decrypted bits. Probably the real reason they
start this activity is because otherwise they
would lose some kind of royalties from the 
DVD-players manufacturers.

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RE: DeCSS

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Thomas Uhrfelt wrote:

> It's a wonderful idea! I would gladly install the port just for the sake of
> the cause.

cd /usr/ports/www/decss && make install clean && enjoy :-)

Kris


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Re: Multipath routing

[zaph0d]

I would also be interested in knowing the same, if numbers of people
wanting it make a difference : )



On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Vinod Balakrishnan wrote:

> 
> hi,
> 
> I have been trying to access the mpath patch at
> ftp://ftp.flirble.org/pub/unix/hacks/FreeBSD/mpath.b3.tgz
> 
> but the hacks directory does not seem to exist.
> 
> Is multi-path routing supported in FreeBSD 3.0 or later. If so could
> someone give a pointer as to how to enable multipath routing.
> 
> thanks,
> -Vinod
> 
> 
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Multipath routing

[Vinod Balakrishnan]

hi,

I have been trying to access the mpath patch at
ftp://ftp.flirble.org/pub/unix/hacks/FreeBSD/mpath.b3.tgz

but the hacks directory does not seem to exist.

Is multi-path routing supported in FreeBSD 3.0 or later. If so could
someone give a pointer as to how to enable multipath routing.

thanks,
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Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

[Daniel C. Sobral]

Marco van de Voort wrote:
> 
> > They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance
> > under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to
> > obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a
> > contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link with the ruling
> > did not have the complete ruling for some reason. I don't know how the
> > trademark thing was ruled.
> 
> Afaik, this story is illegal in Europe too. You may reverse engineer to create
> a substitute, but you may not distribute, let alone sell it (as a gamecreator
> will probably do)

Read again. It's not illegal, it's legal.

Reverse engineering is LEGAL in the US and most (all?) of Europe. That
had NOTHING to do with the case.

The case centered on the fact that _copies_ of the disassembled object
code had been made, to enable the reverse engineering.

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empty lists in for

[Max Khon]

hi, there!

I'm trying to port FreeBSD ports subsystem to Solaris and Linux
(for our company internal needs).
many for's in bsd.port.mk are expanded into for's with empty word list
(e.g.: for i in ; do smth; done).

bash and ksh complain about unexpected ';'.
/bin/sh (FreeBSD) thinks it's ok and does nothing.
Which behaviour is more POSIXly correct?

/fjoe



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RE: DeCSS

[Thomas Uhrfelt]

> I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become
> obvious once you
> see the page.  (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors)
>
> http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/
>
> Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think.
>
> Cheers,
> -Peter

It's a wonderful idea! I would gladly install the port just for the sake of
the cause.

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Re: Defending against buffer overflows.

[Bill C Riemers]

"Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
> 
> My attention has just been called to:
> 
>http://immunix.org/StackGuard/mechanism.html
> 
> Given all of the buffer overrun vulnerabilities that have been found in
> various network daemons over time, this seems like a worthwhile sort of
> technique to apply when compiling, in particular, network daemons and/or
> servers.
> 
> I don't entirely agree with this fellow's approach however.  I think that
> the ``canary'' word should be located at the bottom end of the current
> stack frame, i.e. in a place where no buffer overrun could possibly clobber
> it.
> 
> Seems to me that this would be a nice and useful little enhancement for gcc.
> I wouldn't mind having something like a -fbuffer-overrun-checks option for
> gcc, and I would definitely use it when compiling network daemons.
> 
> Anybody else got an opinion?


Most tools like, electric fens, purify, ...  Do the same type of trick.
It does slightly change the behavior of the code, so some bugs that appear
without doing such a trick won't appear with it, and of course visa versa.
The most significant effect is the changes as to when 'really' will not
be able to grow the buffer...

Overall, I think it is a good idea.  It definitely should not be done
behind a user's back, but a compiler option to enable it as part of debugging
is probably a good idea.

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NETGRAPH patches (proposal)

[Maksim Yevmenkin]

Hello All,

Here are some small patches for NETGRAPH. 
These are against -current cvsup'ed yesterday around 8:30pm EST.

http://home.earthlink.net/~evmax/ng.tar.gz

It also includes small test program (based on nghook).
Compile and run it like: 

# ./a.out -a iface_name: divert

NETGRAPH option in kernel config file is required.

Here is the description. ng_ether node has two hooks ``divert'' and
``orphan''.
It is possible to connect to the one of the hooks and intercept row Ethernet
frames. But there is no clean way to intercept frame, do something and
return it back to kernel.

This patch provides additional hook ``divertin'' (mmm... name is not good,
i think) for each ng_ether node. 

Implementation issues

This will not work for ``orphan'' frames. Since kernel drops it anyway, i
decided to leave it as it is. But is is possible to intercept ``orphan''
packets, 
change it, and write back to ``divertin''.

Thanks,
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Re: (forw) Re: readdir_r thread safe?

[Sheldon Hearn]

On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:16:28 PST, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

> Ugh, I should have brought this up before the code freeze but...

Before feature freeze, in fact.  Fight the madness. :-)

Ciao,
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Re: My daughter bought Digital Research USB Card

[Kris Kennaway]

On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Beverly H Barnhart wrote:

> The book said she could get the driver off of Windows 98 CD or
> www.microsoft.com but I could not get the driver from any of those
> places any ideas?

Which version of FreeBSD is she using?

Kris

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RE: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

[Koster, K.J.]

> 
> Afaik the only way to circumvent this is, (and this is a wild 
> guess, I'm not a lawyer)
> is if the r-e is done within an organisation. (e.g. GNU), and 
> all users donate a penny 
> to GNU to become a member. And members may use the driver.
> 
Does buying a FreeBSD cdrom count as becoming a member? Anyone against
raising the price of the cdroms with a penny (plus tax).

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Re: kernel

[Alfred Perlstein]

* José Luís Faria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [000221 03:25] wrote:
> Hello 
> 
> I'm creating a litle update to a freebsd 3.4 kernel.
> My program is for account some data: number of
> packets by class, number of packets dropped by class, etc.
> Now I need to pass this values to another program wich in X-Window
> display this values on-line. After, I want to save this values
> in a file.
> 
> I need some docs about how I can do this.
> Which are the primitives in the kernel to do this.
> I use the printf to put this data in /var/log/messages.
> This inappropriate, I dont want this. This is only for testing now.
> 
> Can you help me ?

Perhaps you'd like to use sysctl nodes as counters, they allow a 
pretty clean exporting of kernel internal variables.

try "man sysctl" and looking at various other uses of sysctls in 
the kernel as counters.

good luck,
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Re: yamaha japan relationships anyone?

[Marco van de Voort]

> > I've heard nothing about that.
> > 
> > Was this done in relation to the whole controversy about the DVD decrypt
> > software?
> 
> No, it was wrt to Playstation, Nintendo, Sega or something like that.
> M... I thinking it was probably wrt to SEGA, because there was also
> a trademark dispute related to a small string. :-) An american company
> tried to get a license to distribute games for the game console, but the
> japanese company only licensed under the terms "We'll hold exclusive
> distribution rights to all games you produce", which was deemed
> unacceptable. So, the company went ahead and did a straight clean-room
> reverse engineering. They were later sued for the following (roughly):
> 
> * Trademark violation. Later versions of the console required the string
> with it's trademarked name to be located at a certain point in the
> game's memory; this string was then displayed for a couple of seconds on
> the string.
> 
> * Copyright violation. The company used a some hardware to sniff the
> object code, then disassembled and produced printouts of it.
> 
> They lost on a lower instance, but have just won on a higher instance
> under the merit of "fair use", since they had no legal alternative to
> obtain the specifications to the console (other than engaging in a
> contract deemed unacceptable). Unfortunately, the link with the ruling
> did not have the complete ruling for some reason. I don't know how the
> trademark thing was ruled.

Afaik, this story is illegal in Europe too. You may reverse engineer to create
a substitute, but you may not distribute, let alone sell it (as a gamecreator
will probably do)

This could be the case for reverse engineering drivers too. So probably drivers
which contain information collected with reverse engineering may not be distributed,
and are for personal use of the one that did the reverse-engineering (r-e) only.

Afaik the only way to circumvent this is, (and this is a wild guess, I'm not a lawyer)
is if the r-e is done within an organisation. (e.g. GNU), and all users donate a penny 
to GNU to become a member. And members may use the driver.
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kernel

[José Luís Faria]

Hello 

I'm creating a litle update to a freebsd 3.4 kernel.
My program is for account some data: number of
packets by class, number of packets dropped by class, etc.
Now I need to pass this values to another program wich in X-Window
display this values on-line. After, I want to save this values
in a file.

I need some docs about how I can do this.
Which are the primitives in the kernel to do this.
I use the printf to put this data in /var/log/messages.
This inappropriate, I dont want this. This is only for testing now.

Can you help me ?

Thank you very much.


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Re: looking for victims, err, uh, 'volunteers'

[Jason K. Fritcher]

On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote:
> I haven't even looked at the SMART stuff.  Got any pointers to specs?

Here is a link to Quantum's white paper.

http://www.quantum.com/src/whitepapers/wp_smart_toc.htm

In the paper, it mentions the standard is published in Small Form Factor
Committee document SFF-8035. I tried some web searched and guessed at some
URLs but couldn't find if the SFFC has a web page.

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Re: DeCSS

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Peter Wemm wrote:

> I would love to make a port of this, for reasons that become obvious once you
> see the page.  (Think of all the mailing list archives and mirrors)
> 
> http://www.totse.com/DeCSS/
> 
> Be sure to read it before commenting, it's not what you might think.

Port committed :-)

Kris


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