Re: I Volunteer

2002-06-18 Thread Brandon D. Valentine

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Darren Pilgrim wrote:

>It's not exactly FreeBSD, but how about rewriting pine and uw-imap?
>Last I heard they could use a little work.

It would have to be a complete reimplementation thanks to the retarded
pine license.  Besides, pine has been surpassed and it's called mutt.
uw-imap has also been quite surpassed, it's called cyrus.

This message posted by a pine user via pine who's desperately been
trying for months to find enough hours in the day to learn mutt well
enough that he can migrate his primary email accounts over to it.

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Re: I Volunteer

2002-06-18 Thread John Nielsen

- Original Message -
From: "Evan Dower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:35 PM
Subject: I Volunteer


> I don't know who might have use of my services (or what my services might
be
> for that matter), but I hereby offer them up. I'm a student at the
> University of Washington and I'll be applying to the Computer Science
major
> in February. I'd like to get involved with the OS that is serving me so
> well. I'll do what I can to help with whatever. Just let me know if anyone
> needs a minion. I could use the experience.

Probably the best thing you can do for the project is to show some
initiative.  The problem reports database (accessible over the web at
 http://www.freebsd.org/prstats/index.html) can always use a good
looking-over.  Some reports are outdated and just need to be closed; some
have a working patch included but have fallen through the cracks; and
depending on your interests and level of coding ability, some could be
relatively easy to fix.  Do some work, make some noise, and express your
interests and then whoever wants you as a minion will be more likely to find
you.

Whether or not coding is your forte, you can support the project in other
ways as well.  FreeBSD has great documentation, but it can always be
improved or added to.  I tend to proofread everything I read, so I've sent
in a couple "bug" reports about manpage typos.  I've been pleasantly
surprised at both the promptness with which they were addressed and the
gratitude expressed for my filing the reports.

Evangelism and peer support are other great things you can do.  Educate
people at your school about FreeBSD and suggest ways that using FreeBSD
might improve a lab/program/service.  Answer questions on the -questions
mailing list and/or the comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc newsgroup.  FreeBSD is a
great platform with an even greater user/developer community, so letting
people know about it is always a good thing.

Just a few ideas from my own experience... :)

JN


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Re: I Volunteer

2002-06-18 Thread Darren Pilgrim

Evan Dower wrote:
> 
> I don't know who might have use of my services (or what my services might be
> for that matter), but I hereby offer them up. I'm a student at the
> University of Washington and I'll be applying to the Computer Science major
> in February. I'd like to get involved with the OS that is serving me so
> well. I'll do what I can to help with whatever. Just let me know if anyone
> needs a minion. I could use the experience.

It's not exactly FreeBSD, but how about rewriting pine and uw-imap?
Last I heard they could use a little work.

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I Volunteer

2002-06-18 Thread Evan Dower

I don't know who might have use of my services (or what my services might be 
for that matter), but I hereby offer them up. I'm a student at the 
University of Washington and I'll be applying to the Computer Science major 
in February. I'd like to get involved with the OS that is serving me so 
well. I'll do what I can to help with whatever. Just let me know if anyone 
needs a minion. I could use the experience.
Thanks,
Evan Dower
PS: This Hotmail account has kept the spam out of my primary accounts for 
years.

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Re: sbc/embedded FreeBSD friendly

2002-06-18 Thread M. Warner Losh

In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Danny Braniss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: for a lab course, we are looking for FreeBSD friendly boards, any suggestions
: are welcome,

We've had good luck with boards from Axiom, Teknor, Megatel, and
Adastra running FreeBSD.  The model numbers change with time, but the
first two were in the short ISA format, while the latter two were in
pc100, or variations thereof.

In fact, we've found very few boards that have issues with FreeBSD.
And none where the issues were promptly resolved by the vendor.

Warner

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Re: Wide Character Support

2002-06-18 Thread Tim Robbins

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 08:41:57PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am very interested in contributing in this area.
> Maybe you could point me to a starting place or person;
> as I have never contributed to FBSD as of yet. 

dec and kbyanc (both @freebsd.org) are apparently working on this area.


Tim

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Re: Wide Character Support

2002-06-18 Thread kevin

I am very interested in contributing in this area.
Maybe you could point me to a starting place or person;
as I have never contributed to FBSD as of yet. 

On Wed, 19 June 2002, Tim Robbins wrote

> 
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:38:05AM -0700, Kevin D.
Wooten wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to figure out what wide character
support
> > is available for FreeBSD; I am in need of the i/o
> > routines (i.e. swprintf). If they are not available
> > standard ( which they dont appear to be ) is there a
> > patch or a library that can provide this support??
> 
> We do plan to support wide-character stdio in the
(hopefully near) future.
> The alternatives are to use part or all of a
different libc: GNU, NetBSD, etc.
> 
> These links might be helpful:
> http://citrus.bsdclub.org/
> http://citrus.bsdclub.org/xpg4dl/
> 
> (I don't think their FreeBSD stuff is up-to-date)
> 
> 
> Tim

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Re: 8" floppy drive anyone ?

2002-06-18 Thread Brandon D. Valentine

On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

>I have a bunch of 8" floppies I need to try to recover contents
>from, is there anybody out there who has a 8" drive they'd be willing
>to part with for $$ ?

Got rid of anything this ancient years ago, but I'd suggest checking
with the local university to see if they keep surplus electronics
onhand.  I know that my employer here in the states. Vanderbilt
University, keeps a rather large warehouse of surplused electronics
equipment because it's illegal for them to dispose of it in landfills
and their waste disposal contractor would cancel their contract if they
did.  These types of facilities are a goldmine for finding old, obscure
equipment.  I've heard of numerous professors scrounging complete test
apparatus out of that warehouse.

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Re: Does FreeBSD have a problem with some AMD processors?

2002-06-18 Thread Jud

6/18/2002 5:49:48 PM, Morsal Rodbay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 10:17:57PM +0200, Morsal Rodbay wrote:
>> > Someone mentioned this MTRR problem earlier, I even tried a 
patch but it was
>> > unsuccessful. I think I'll make a new try with FreeBSD 4.6, maybe 
things
>> > will be more successful then.
>> 
>> The particular problem seems to be with some (not all) ASUS
>> boards.  I had the problem and it has been fixed with 4.6
>
>Glad to hear that, going to install 4.6 soon.

I don't think it's to do with MTRR.  From on and off-list correspondence 
with folks trying to get FreeBSD running on the A7V333 (on which I'm 
happily running 4-STABLE), it's Soeren Schmidt's ATA driver 
improvements which allow FreeBSD to work with the PDC20276 
controller chip.  These were committed after 4.5-RELEASE.

Jud



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Re: 8" floppy drive anyone ?

2002-06-18 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey

On Wednesday, 19 June 2002 at  1:16:26 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
> I have a bunch of 8" floppies I need to try to recover contents
> from, is there anybody out there who has a 8" drive they'd be willing
> to part with for $$ ?

Sure, I have a pile of them (DSDD) somewhere.

> If it comes with the magic SA800-PC cable it would be just perfect.

What's that?

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Re: 8" floppy drive anyone ?

2002-06-18 Thread Terry Lambert

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> I have a bunch of 8" floppies I need to try to recover contents
> from, is there anybody out there who has a 8" drive they'd be willing
> to part with for $$ ?
> 
> If it comes with the magic SA800-PC cable it would be just perfect.

You might try contacting this guy:

http://www.imsai.net/

He may or may not have it, but he certainly has contact who would.


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Re: Wide Character Support

2002-06-18 Thread Tim Robbins

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 11:38:05AM -0700, Kevin D. Wooten wrote:

> I am trying to figure out what wide character support
> is available for FreeBSD; I am in need of the i/o
> routines (i.e. swprintf). If they are not available
> standard ( which they dont appear to be ) is there a
> patch or a library that can provide this support??

We do plan to support wide-character stdio in the (hopefully near) future.
The alternatives are to use part or all of a different libc: GNU, NetBSD, etc.

These links might be helpful:
http://citrus.bsdclub.org/
http://citrus.bsdclub.org/xpg4dl/

(I don't think their FreeBSD stuff is up-to-date)


Tim

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Re: jail with multiple IPs (patch)

2002-06-18 Thread Hans Zaunere


--- Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Michael Alyn Miller wrote:
> 
> > Hi, folks,
> [...]
> patch for multi addresses in jail.
> 
> I apreciate that you have done this work, but I have a question
> "why would it be useful?" Do you have a need for it or is this
> an aesthetic issue?

I've asked my jail server provider numerous times for multiple IPs and
he always said "next release".

By the way, can anyone recommend a good jailed server provider that is
cheap (I pay $5 a month - but up to $20-$40 is good).

Thanks,

Hans



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Re: jail with multiple IPs (patch)

2002-06-18 Thread Chad Ziccardi

begin quote from Julian Elischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> written 2002-06-18:

>
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Michael Alyn Miller wrote:
>
> > Hi, folks,
> [...]
> patch for multi addresses in jail.
>
> I apreciate that you have done this work, but I have a question
> "why would it be useful?" Do you have a need for it or is this
> an aesthetic issue?

If they are perhaps providing IP-based hosting services, and wanted them to
all run within the jail?



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Re: jail with multiple IPs (patch)

2002-06-18 Thread Julian Elischer



On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Michael Alyn Miller wrote:

> Hi, folks,
[...]
patch for multi addresses in jail.

I apreciate that you have done this work, but I have a question
"why would it be useful?" Do you have a need for it or is this
an aesthetic issue?


thanks

Julian




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jail with multiple IPs (patch)

2002-06-18 Thread Michael Alyn Miller

Hi, folks,

I recently became interested in the jail code and have been very
impressed with what I have seen so far.  The one thing I found a
bit surprising was the lack of support for multiple IP addresses
in jail environments.  I did some research into the issue, and I
found the various posts discussing why this decision was made.

While a ``true'' multiple IP address implementation (INADDR_ANY,
loopback, etc.) may be rather involved, getting more than one IP
address into the jailed environment might be much simpler.  Here
is my proposal:

Rather than specifying a single IP address when constructing the
jail, supply an IP address and netmask.  The kernel can then use
the IP address in conjunction with the netmask to determine what
range of addresses are allowed in the jail without having to run
through an actual list of addresses.

This approach is similar to how ISPs assign CIDR blocks to their
customers.  It has various advantages and disadvantages over the
method of providing a list of allowed addresses.  I consider its
primary advantage to be that it is extremely simple to implement
(as can be seen by the attached diff) and does not affect jail's
runtime performance.

Granted, this method does not solve the INADDR_ANY and localhost
issues, but any solution to that side of the jail puzzle is sure
to be an invasive one.

The attached diff is based on 4.6-RELEASE.  To use it, build and
install the jail binary and a new kernel.  By default, this diff
results in a jail binary that acts the same as before.  Adding a
``/ne.tm.as.k'' to the jail call will allow the jail to allocate
any of the IP addresses in the netmask.  For example..

  jail /home/jail myhost 10.20.30.8/255.255.255.248 /bin/sh

..would allow the jail to use all of the following addresses..

  10.20.30.8
  10.20.30.9
  10.20.30.10
  10.20.30.11
  10.20.30.12
  10.20.30.13
  10.20.30.14
  10.20.30.15

INADDR_ANY and 127.0.0.1 still use the first address.  I changed
jail's version number (from 0 to 1) as this affects the syscall.

I look forward to your comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc.

Thank you for your time!

Michael Alyn Miller


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*** sys/kern/kern_jail.c.orig   Thu Aug 16 18:00:26 2001
--- sys/kern/kern_jail.cTue Jun 18 13:52:27 2002
***
*** 62,68 
error = copyin(uap->jail, &j, sizeof j);
if (error)
return (error);
!   if (j.version != 0)
return (EINVAL);
MALLOC(pr, struct prison *, sizeof *pr , M_PRISON, M_WAITOK);
bzero((caddr_t)pr, sizeof *pr);
--- 62,68 
error = copyin(uap->jail, &j, sizeof j);
if (error)
return (error);
!   if (j.version != 1)
return (EINVAL);
MALLOC(pr, struct prison *, sizeof *pr , M_PRISON, M_WAITOK);
bzero((caddr_t)pr, sizeof *pr);
***
*** 70,75 
--- 70,76 
if (error) 
goto bail;
pr->pr_ip = j.ip_number;
+   pr->pr_mask = j.ip_mask;
  
ca.path = j.path;
error = chroot(p, &ca);
***
*** 111,117 
*ip = htonl(p->p_prison->pr_ip);
return (0);
}
!   if (p->p_prison->pr_ip != tmp)
return (1);
return (0);
  }
--- 112,119 
*ip = htonl(p->p_prison->pr_ip);
return (0);
}
!   if ((p->p_prison->pr_mask & p->p_prison->pr_ip)
!   != (p->p_prison->pr_mask & tmp))
return (1);
return (0);
  }
*** sys/netinet/in_pcb.c.orig   Wed May  1 19:36:50 2002
--- sys/netinet/in_pcb.cTue Jun 18 13:52:15 2002
***
*** 1028,1034 
  {
if (!p->p_prison)
return (0);
!   if (ntohl(inp->inp_laddr.s_addr) == p->p_prison->pr_ip)
return (0);
return (1);
  }
--- 1028,1035 
  {
if (!p->p_prison)
return (0);
!   if ((p->p_prison->pr_mask & ntohl(inp->inp_laddr.s_addr))
!   == (p->p_prison->pr_mask & p->p_prison->pr_ip))
return (0);
return (1);
  }
*** sys/sys/jail.h.orig Wed Nov  1 09:58:06 2000
--- sys/sys/jail.h  Tue Jun 18 13:33:28 2002
***
*** 18,23 
--- 18,24 
char*path;
char*hostname;
u_int32_t   ip_number;
+   u_int32_t   ip_mask;
  };
  
  #ifndef _KERNEL
***
*** 40,45 
--- 41,47 
int pr_ref;
charpr_host[MAXHOSTNAMELEN];
u_int32_t   pr_ip;
+   u_int32_t   pr_mask;
void*pr_linux;
  };
  
*** usr.sbin/jail/jail.c.orig   Mon Jul 30 03:19:54 2001
--- usr.sbin/jail/jail.cTue Jun 18 14:28:36 2002
***
*** 24,40 
struct jail j;
int i;
struct in_addr in;
  
if 

Re: 8" floppy drive anyone ?

2002-06-18 Thread Julian Elischer

hard or soft sectorred?
what OS?
what format?
double or single sided?
I have leads in AUS if that helps..


On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

> 
> I have a bunch of 8" floppies I need to try to recover contents
> from, is there anybody out there who has a 8" drive they'd be willing
> to part with for $$ ?
> 
> If it comes with the magic SA800-PC cable it would be just perfect.
> 
> Poul-Henning
> 
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8" floppy drive anyone ?

2002-06-18 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp


I have a bunch of 8" floppies I need to try to recover contents
from, is there anybody out there who has a 8" drive they'd be willing
to part with for $$ ?

If it comes with the magic SA800-PC cable it would be just perfect.

Poul-Henning

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Re: LINT CPU features table

2002-06-18 Thread Giorgos Keramidas

On 2002-06-16 22:38 -0500, Mike Silbersack wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002, Lucky Green wrote:
> > If only a few CPU's would benefit from the CPU-specific options,
> > creating a table of CPU options for those few CPU's should be all the
> > simpler. What I am I missing?
>
> IMHO, the performance benefits are so small, that it's best to not even
> concern people with making cpu-specific kernels.
>
> CPU-specific compiler options might actually make a difference, but those
> tend to create kernels that crash.

Or do not work flawlessly across hardware upgrades.  I have an
installation here at home that has gone through many hardware upgrades
(motherboard, cpu, or other vital parts) and has worked like a charm,
compiling worlds since 3.2-RELEASE from source.  Having a userland or
kernel that is 486-specific would have been a major PITA when I
changed the cpu to a Pentium, with a new PITA waiting at the next
corner, when I switched to a Celeron, etc.

I feel that it's very nice that "uname -p" and "uname -m" still print
"i386" in their output :-]

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Re: Does FreeBSD have a problem with some AMD processors?

2002-06-18 Thread Morsal Rodbay

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 05:24:38PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 10:17:57PM +0200, Morsal Rodbay wrote:
> > Someone mentioned this MTRR problem earlier, I even tried a patch but it was
> > unsuccessful. I think I'll make a new try with FreeBSD 4.6, maybe things
> > will be more successful then.
> 
> The particular problem seems to be with some (not all) ASUS
> boards.  I had the problem and it has been fixed with 4.6

Glad to hear that, going to install 4.6 soon.

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Re: Retrieving interface MAC address

2002-06-18 Thread Kenneth D. Merry

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 13:41:02 -0700, Kevin D. Wooten wrote:
> Robert Watson wrote:
> >I tend to retrieve address information about interfaces using
> >getifaddrs(), which will (among other things) retrieve the link layer
> >addresses of an interface.  It might be overkill for your application,
> >however.
> >
> >Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Network Associates Laboratories
> >
> >On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Kevin D. Wooten wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>How can I go about retrieving the MAC address for an interface? Since 
> >>SIOCGHWADDR doesn't seem to be implemented. Can anyone help??
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>Kevin Wooten
> >>
> >>
> Thanks getifaddrs() works great, just one more thing is there a simple 
> way to tell the difference between "real" interfaces and virtual ones? I 
> could obviously exclude the easy ones ( i.e. lo, lp, faith, ... ) by 
> looking at the name, but I am not sure how many different virtual 
> interfaces there are ( or will be ).

You could cross-reference the interfaces returned by getifaddrs() with the
list of PCI devices from the PCIOCGETCONF ioctl.  (see pci(4))

It would only work for PCI NICs, but would be better than nothing.

There are probably other ways to do it as well.

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Re: Retrieving interface MAC address

2002-06-18 Thread Kevin D. Wooten

Robert Watson wrote:

>I tend to retrieve address information about interfaces using
>getifaddrs(), which will (among other things) retrieve the link layer
>addresses of an interface.  It might be overkill for your application,
>however.
>
>Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Network Associates Laboratories
>
>On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Kevin D. Wooten wrote:
>
>  
>
>>How can I go about retrieving the MAC address for an interface? Since 
>>SIOCGHWADDR doesn't seem to be implemented. Can anyone help??
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Kevin Wooten
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Thanks getifaddrs() works great, just one more thing is there a simple 
way to tell the difference between "real" interfaces and virtual ones? I 
could obviously exclude the easy ones ( i.e. lo, lp, faith, ... ) by 
looking at the name, but I am not sure how many different virtual 
interfaces there are ( or will be ).

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Re: Does FreeBSD have a problem with some AMD processors?

2002-06-18 Thread Morsal Rodbay

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 09:16:25PM -0400, Scott wrote:
> At 10:26 2002/05/31 +0930, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> >On Friday, 31 May 2002 at  2:31:32 +0200, Morsal Rodbay wrote:
> > > I recenetly bought an Athlon XP 1800+... and it turned out that it wouldnt
> > > run XFree. Everything worked well besides X. Since a workstation without X
> > > is useless I was forced to switch to WinXP and it's very stable so there is
> > > nothing wrong with the hardware which means it's a FreeBSD issue.
> 
> Out of curiosity, is it an ASUS MB?  There was a problem with some ASUS 
> boards and X, which has been fixed--that is, if you do a cvsup, make world 
> and recompile the kernel, X will work.

Yes, Asus A7V333.. was this fix added to the stable tree?
 
> If that was the problem well, then you could say the problem ~was~ with 
> FreeBSD, but--it's been fixed.  :)

I hope so. :-)

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Re: Does FreeBSD have a problem with some AMD processors?

2002-06-18 Thread Morsal Rodbay

Someone mentioned this MTRR problem earlier, I even tried a patch but it was
unsuccessful. I think I'll make a new try with FreeBSD 4.6, maybe things
will be more successful then.

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 05:53:07PM -0700, Jordan K Hubbard wrote:
> I'll bet you wouldn't have any trouble running -stable on it.  There was a
> problem with MTRR support which still needs a little fixing in order to
> shut down properly but that's nowhere near as bad as X not running.  Fix
> should be in FreeBSD 4.6 as well.
> 
> - Jordan
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 17:31 US/Pacific, Morsal Rodbay wrote:
> 
> > I recenetly bought an Athlon XP 1800+... and it turned out that it wouldnt
> > run XFree. Everything worked well besides X. Since a workstation without X
> > is useless I was forced to switch to WinXP and it's very stable so there is
> > nothing wrong with the hardware which means it's a FreeBSD issue.
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Re: Does FreeBSD have a problem with some AMD processors?

2002-06-18 Thread Morsal Rodbay

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 08:38:23PM -0400, Chad Leigh -- Shire. Net LLC wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, May 30, 2002, at 08:31 , Morsal Rodbay wrote:
> 
> > I recenetly bought an Athlon XP 1800+... and it turned out that it 
> > wouldnt
> > run XFree. Everything worked well besides X. Since a workstation 
> > without X
> > is useless I was forced to switch to WinXP and it's very stable so 
> > there is
> > nothing wrong with the hardware which means it's a FreeBSD issue.
> 
> Not necesarily.  What video card did you have.  Is it on the supported 
> list for xfree?  Is it on the well supported list or the 
> take-your-chances list?  Was your kernel and or xfree compiled with AMD 
> optimizations turned on in gcc?  Lots of questions can be asked.

GeForce 2 MX 200
 
CPU_TYPE = k7

> I have some servers running Athlon XP 1800+ processors and the kernel 
> was compiled with -march=k6 since I specified a k7 processor in the 
> make.conf.  The machines would hang every few days.  Once I recompiled 
> the kernel with no -march flag (just straight x86) I have not had a 
> problem (so far, knock on wood).  I do not know where it was hanging up, 
> since the machines are 4000km away from me right now, but  they have not 
> had a problem since I did that -- maybe you have a similar issue?

Thanks for the tip, I'll try it.

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Brandon D. Valentine

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Brett Glass wrote:

>You actually make some good points about the nastiness of some people
>in the FreeBSD community. Alas, you discredit yourself by posting
>pseudonymously and by doing a great deal of flaming yourself.

Perhaps you should qualify your definition of "good points".  I saw no
evidence behind any accusations made.  I saw ad hominem attacks calling
FreeBSD developers assholes and drunkards.  Any points made by the
author were merely begging the question.  He gave no evidence that any
of the attitudes of the people he mentioned were in some way detrimental
to the project, he merely asserts that this must be true.  He is also
committing the sin of a /post hoc ergo propter hoc/ argument.  The
attitudes of a few developers within the FreeBSD community, if they are
indeed causing a problem, may not be in any way related to the effects
the poster was trying to justify cause for.  Argument without substance
is not argument at all.  It's wasted breath and/or keystrokes.

Brett, I've been reading your postings long enough to know you're an
argumentative sort and also that your mien seems to be self-perpetuating
because people now approach you as if to have an argument.  Please
understand I am not trying to argue with you.  I am pointing out
fallacies in someone else's opinions which I think you may have
overlooked.  I wish neither to defend the developers attacked by the
poster nor defend the poster himself.  Replies challenging me to do so
will be directed to /dev/null.

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Colin Percival

At 13:48 18/06/2002 -0600, Brett Glass wrote:
>At 02:39 AM 6/18/2002, Bill Flamerola wrote:
> >[snip]
>
>You actually make some good points about the nastiness of some people
>in the FreeBSD community.

   I don't understand this.  Where does all this nastiness happen?

   Maybe it's on -core.  I don't read that.  But in the year or so that 
I've been reading -security, -stable, and -hackers, I haven't seen any 
nastiness.  I've seen people who disagree with each other, and I've seen 
people get annoyed when the same issues are brought up over and over again, 
but I really haven't seen anything which I'd call *nasty*.

   Can't we all be a bit more tolerant and get along with each other?

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Brett Glass

At 02:39 AM 6/18/2002, Bill Flamerola wrote:
  
>Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given the current 
>situation in the FreeBSD camp.
>
>Let's see, some weeks ago a couple of people dropped their ports maintainership, why 
>did this happen? Sergey dropped his ports because David O'Brien is an asshole. Yes, 
>no news, we all know that. Asmodai resigned some days ago, why? Because fucking Bill 
>Fumerola is a royal asshole. Has fucking Bill Fumerola ever done any worthwhile work 
>for FreeBSD? NO. He prefers to spend his time flaming other people. FUCK YOU FUMEROLA!

You actually make some good points about the nastiness of some people
in the FreeBSD community. Alas, you discredit yourself by posting
pseudonymously and by doing a great deal of flaming yourself.

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Brandon D. Valentine

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Alfred Perlstein wrote:

>All I really have to say about the matter is that nothing says "lack of
>genitalia" like an anonymous hotmail account. :)

You have a way with words there, Alfred.

To add insult to injury nothing says "lack of grey matter" like:
"X-Originating-IP: [195.235.247.100]"

[bandix@dallben ~]% whois 195.235.247.100
[snip]
% This is the RIPE Whois server.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
% Please visit http://www.ripe.net/rpsl for more information.
% Rights restricted by copyright.
% See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyright.html

inetnum:  195.235.247.96 - 195.235.247.111
netname:  ALFONSOXELSABIO
descr:Universidad Alfonso X El Sabio
descr:Internet Public Addresses
country:  ES
admin-c:  RM5475-RIPE
tech-c:   RM5475-RIPE
status:   ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by:   MAINT-AS3352
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20010924
source:   RIPE

route:195.235.0.0/16
descr:Telefonica Data Espan~a
origin:   AS3352
mnt-by:   MAINT-AS3352
mnt-routes:   MAINT-AS3352
mnt-lower:MAINT-AS3352
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20010308
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  20020118
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  20020313
source:   RIPE

person:   Raul Morata
address:  Universidad Alfonso X El Sabio
address:  Universidad, 1
address:  Villanueva de la Canada 28691 (Madrid)
address:  SPAIN
phone:+34 91 8105000
nic-hdl:  RM5475-RIPE
mnt-by:   MAINT-AS3352
changed:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19991207
source:   RIPE

Anyone know who this might be?  Probably wouldn't hurt for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] to draft a polite email asking the admin on the
other end of this pipe to LART his lame user.

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Eric Anderson


Lets stop the thread now please.



Hiten Pandya wrote:
> 
> --- Bill Flamerola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm talking to you, fucking Hiten Pandya, damned asshole. And I'm talking
> > to you, stupid Alfred Perlstein. Alfred is an interesting person. He seems
> 
> I know this address of yours is shit, but I know you read this list.
> 
> I think you are making nice fun out of your fucking self; I think you should
> go and screw yourself in a big tub of water.  If you are so inclined on
> judging people, please do so that with people who are stupid enough to listen
> to you.
> 
> > Matthew Dillon is one of the few hackers worth his salt, what does he get
> > in return? A 5 day commit bit suspension. Matt, please, join NetBSD, they
> > need help in the SMP code, and leave all these hypocrites alone.
> 
> Get your facts right!
> 
> > David O'Brien -> good hacker but a total asshole
> > Dag-Erling Smorgrav -> a total asshole
> > Alfred Perlstein -> drunktard and hypocrite
> > Bill Fumerola -> The überasshole, FUCK FUMEROLA
> > Kris Kennaway -> Hyprocrite
> 
> > Hiten Pandya -> an IMBECILE, grow up fucking moron
> 
> I think you are the IMBECILE MORON!  I think you should be the one who
> should apologise to all the people you have just said bad things about.
> 
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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Hiten Pandya

--- Bill Flamerola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm talking to you, fucking Hiten Pandya, damned asshole. And I'm talking 
> to you, stupid Alfred Perlstein. Alfred is an interesting person. He seems

I know this address of yours is shit, but I know you read this list.

I think you are making nice fun out of your fucking self; I think you should
go and screw yourself in a big tub of water.  If you are so inclined on 
judging people, please do so that with people who are stupid enough to listen
to you.

> Matthew Dillon is one of the few hackers worth his salt, what does he get
> in return? A 5 day commit bit suspension. Matt, please, join NetBSD, they 
> need help in the SMP code, and leave all these hypocrites alone.

Get your facts right!

> David O'Brien -> good hacker but a total asshole
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav -> a total asshole
> Alfred Perlstein -> drunktard and hypocrite
> Bill Fumerola -> The überasshole, FUCK FUMEROLA
> Kris Kennaway -> Hyprocrite

> Hiten Pandya -> an IMBECILE, grow up fucking moron

I think you are the IMBECILE MORON!  I think you should be the one who
should apologise to all the people you have just said bad things about.

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Wide Character Support

2002-06-18 Thread Kevin D. Wooten

I am trying to figure out what wide character support
is available for FreeBSD; I am in need of the i/o
routines (i.e. swprintf). If they are not available
standard ( which they dont appear to be ) is there a
patch or a library that can provide this support??

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Septic Tank Information 3572Uzd-7

2002-06-18 Thread customerservice3673s64

Warning
Unable to process data: 
multipart/mixed;boundary="=_NextPart_000_00D3_31D76A2E.A0376D28"




Re: Retrieving interface MAC address

2002-06-18 Thread Robert Watson


I tend to retrieve address information about interfaces using
getifaddrs(), which will (among other things) retrieve the link layer
addresses of an interface.  It might be overkill for your application,
however.

Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects
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On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Kevin D. Wooten wrote:

> How can I go about retrieving the MAC address for an interface? Since 
> SIOCGHWADDR doesn't seem to be implemented. Can anyone help??
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin Wooten
> 
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Retrieving interface MAC address

2002-06-18 Thread Kevin D. Wooten

How can I go about retrieving the MAC address for an interface? Since 
SIOCGHWADDR doesn't seem to be implemented. Can anyone help??

Thanks,
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Re: Couple of issues with TGIF and HylaFax

2002-06-18 Thread Sergey A. Osokin

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 10:27:26AM -0500, Peter Elsner wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just installed HylaFax on our FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE machine.
> 
> Couple of small issues.
> 
> First with regards to TGIF (in particular netpbm).
> 
> 1) I created a fax cover sheet/page using the TGIF program.
> First problem with this is that the netpbm port that is required to 
> properly install TGIF is apparently not functioning.
> make runs fine, but I get the following error when I try to do a make 
> install in /usr/ports/graphics/tgif
> 
> spxdev:root# make install
> ===>  Installing for tgif-4.1.41
> ===>   tgif-4.1.41 depends on executable: giftopnm - not found
> ===>Verifying install for giftopnm in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm
> ===>  Extracting for netpbm-9.24
> >> Checksum mismatch for netpbm-9.24.tgz.
> Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file 
> (/usr/ports/graphics/netpbm/distinfo)
> are up to date.  If you are absolutely sure you want to override this
> check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]".
> *** Error code 1

[skip]

AFAIK portstree now containes tgif-4.1.42 and netpbm-9.25_1,
try to resup ports and rebuild tgif/netpbm.

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Alfred Perlstein

* Randall Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020618 04:13] wrote:
> 
> right...
> and to bring all these VILE people to public knowledge...you use a hotmail
> addr and a name that we are supposed to see as 'witty' or 'clever'.
> 
> please don't take the silence from the people on the respeced boards you
> decided to spam your email the wrong wayI'm sure most of us are shocked
> into silence from the profound and insightful statements you have made.
> 
> well...that..or none of us really care what anonymous posters have to say.
> duck that identity...make full use of the internet to hide the source of
> your venting.
> 
> bill...alfred..was some kid denied a port or something to warrent this silly
> temper tantrum? :)

All I really have to say about the matter is that nothing says "lack of
genitalia" like an anonymous hotmail account. :)

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Dan Langille

On 18 Jun 2002 at 10:21, Christopher Schulte wrote:

> At 08:39 AM 6/18/2002 +, Bill Flamerola wrote:
> >Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given
> >the current situation in the FreeBSD camp.
> 
> OMG R U SERIOUS?  Thx for the warning, I'll ditch FreeBSD and load NetBSD
> right now.

I wonder if NetBSDDiary is available...
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Couple of issues with TGIF and HylaFax

2002-06-18 Thread Peter Elsner

Hi all,
I just installed HylaFax on our FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE machine. 

Couple of small issues.  
First with regards to TGIF (in particular netpbm).
1) I created a fax cover sheet/page using the TGIF program.  
First problem with this is that the netpbm port that is required to
properly install TGIF is apparently not functioning.
make runs fine, but I get the following error when I try to do a make
install in /usr/ports/graphics/tgif
spxdev:root# make install
===>  Installing for tgif-4.1.41
===>   tgif-4.1.41 depends on executable: giftopnm - not
found
===>    Verifying install for giftopnm in
/usr/ports/graphics/netpbm
===>  Extracting for netpbm-9.24
>> Checksum mismatch for netpbm-9.24.tgz.
Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file
(/usr/ports/graphics/netpbm/distinfo)
are up to date.  If you are absolutely sure you want to override
this
check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]".
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/graphics/netpbm.
*** Error code 1
spxdev:root#
Commenting out the 
RUN_DEPENDS=   
giftopnm:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/netpbm
line in Makefile allows tgif to be installed fine, with the exception
that I can not import gif/jpg/png graphics.

2)  The HylaFax problem I have is that the to-company and regarding
fields to not appear on my cover page.
I'm calling sendfax with the following example:
sendfax -d"name@faxnumber" -x "company name" -r
"subject/regarding" filename
The fax sends fine, and uses my default cover page, 
but the Company:  and Re: fields are blank as if sendfax didn't pass
the variables at all.
I decided to try the default cover page (Silicon Graphics logo and
all)... And noticed that the
Company and Re: fields are blank there as well.  So it would appear
that there's a bug in HylaFax for FreeBSD.
I have tried this on a Linux box and it works fine.  

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this problem and has perhaps a fix
for it?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Christopher Schulte

At 08:39 AM 6/18/2002 +, Bill Flamerola wrote:
>Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given 
>the current situation in the FreeBSD camp.

OMG R U SERIOUS?  Thx for the warning, I'll ditch FreeBSD and load NetBSD 
right now.

>_
>Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. 
>http://www.hotmail.com

Ahh yes, using a respected hotmail address...  *giggle* thanks for the 
morning laugh.

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Thanks Developers (Was The problem with FreeBSD)

2002-06-18 Thread Thomas D. Dean

Please ignore the rhetoric from the anonymous poster...

Thanks developers for good work.

tomdean

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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Bosko Milekic


  Bill H., is that you?

On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 08:39:57AM +, Bill Flamerola wrote:
> Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given the 
> current situation in the FreeBSD camp.
[...useless stuff...]

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Re: mmap and MAP_NOSYNC

2002-06-18 Thread Andy Sporner

joy ganguly wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Hi,
>
>I want to use mmap as a means of doing IPC between
>unrelated processes. I do *not* want the data to hit
>the disk. So this is what I do :-
>
>fd = open(file, O_RDWR);
>p = mmap(fd, MAP_NOSYNC | MAP_SHARED);
>mlock(p, len);
>
>/* Whack around with shmem */
>
>
>Now my question is , once I have wired the shared
>memory region, is it possible that the data still hits
>the disk ? One would think the pager will not look at
>wired pages. Is that correct ?
>

Is there some reason not to use SYSV shared memory???

Andy



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mmap and MAP_NOSYNC

2002-06-18 Thread joy ganguly

Hi all,

Hi,

I want to use mmap as a means of doing IPC between
unrelated processes. I do *not* want the data to hit
the disk. So this is what I do :-

fd = open(file, O_RDWR);
p = mmap(fd, MAP_NOSYNC | MAP_SHARED);
mlock(p, len);

/* Whack around with shmem */


Now my question is , once I have wired the shared
memory region, is it possible that the data still hits
the disk ? One would think the pager will not look at
wired pages. Is that correct ?

Thanks in advance.

Joy



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Re: The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Randall Hamilton

> Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given
the
> current situation in the FreeBSD camp.
>
> Let's see, some weeks ago a couple of people dropped their ports
> maintainership, why did this happen? Sergey dropped his ports because
David
> O'Brien is an asshole. Yes, no news, we all know that. Asmodai resigned
some
> days ago, why? Because fucking Bill Fumerola is a royal asshole. Has
fucking
> Bill Fumerola ever done any worthwhile work for FreeBSD? NO. He prefers to
> spend his time flaming other people. FUCK YOU FUMEROLA!
>
> Jordan Hubbard left, Mike Smith left. Why? Because a large number of the
> people involved in FreeBSD are either assholes or hypocrites. What's the
> prefered game in #bsdcode? Right, flaming Terry Lambert. Terry may not be
> perfect, but he has *never* insulted anyone, he's a nice person to talk
to,
> and pretty often comes up with nice ideas. I'm talking to you, fucking
Hiten
> Pandya, damned asshole. And I'm talking to you, stupid Alfred Perlstein.
> Alfred is an interesting person. He seems to be drunk most of the time,
has
> never contributed anything important to the project, yet he likes to flame
> around all the time.
>
> Matthew Dillon is one of the few hackers worth his salt, what does he get
in
> return? A 5 day commit bit suspension. Matt, please, join NetBSD, they
need
> help in the SMP code, and leave all these hypocrites alone.
>
> David O'Brien -> good hacker but a total asshole
> Dag-Erling Smorgrav -> a total asshole
> Alfred Perlstein -> drunktard and hypocrite
> Bill Fumerola -> The überasshole, FUCK FUMEROLA
> Kris Kennaway -> Hyprocrite
> Hiten Pandya -> an IMBECILE, grow up fucking moron
>
> You all owe Terry Lambert an apology, stupid hypocrites.
>
> To the rest of the people, jump shit now, and join NetBSD while you can.
> FreeBSD is not worth the hassle.

right...
and to bring all these VILE people to public knowledge...you use a hotmail
addr and a name that we are supposed to see as 'witty' or 'clever'.

please don't take the silence from the people on the respeced boards you
decided to spam your email the wrong wayI'm sure most of us are shocked
into silence from the profound and insightful statements you have made.

well...that..or none of us really care what anonymous posters have to say.
duck that identity...make full use of the internet to hide the source of
your venting.

bill...alfred..was some kid denied a port or something to warrent this silly
temper tantrum? :)

--randy


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Re: sbc/embedded FreeBSD friendly

2002-06-18 Thread dirkx


The soekris.com boxes work very well for me.

Dw.
-- 
Dirk-Willem van Gulik

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Danny Braniss wrote:

> for a lab course, we are looking for FreeBSD friendly boards, any suggestions
> are welcome,
>
> thanks,
>
>   danny
>
>
>
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Re: sbc/embedded FreeBSD friendly

2002-06-18 Thread Terry Lambert

Danny Braniss wrote:
> for a lab course, we are looking for FreeBSD friendly boards, any suggestions
> are welcome,

Depends on quantity.

My favorite boards for this kind of thing are laptop motherboards,
since they have the connections for a built in UPS, automatic
software controlled power management, and the majority of the cost
is in the display, with most of the rest of it being in the micro
mechanicals that you don't need in an embedded system (PCMCIA slots,
keyboard, tiny floppy, docking crap, speakers, microphone, expansion
bays for CDROM, etc.).  If you can get them, they make for cheap
little boxes.

-- Terry

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sbc/embedded FreeBSD friendly

2002-06-18 Thread Danny Braniss

for a lab course, we are looking for FreeBSD friendly boards, any suggestions
are welcome,

thanks,

danny



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The problem with FreeBSD

2002-06-18 Thread Bill Flamerola

Okay, this is not really intended as a flame, but kinda necessary, given the 
current situation in the FreeBSD camp.

Let's see, some weeks ago a couple of people dropped their ports 
maintainership, why did this happen? Sergey dropped his ports because David 
O'Brien is an asshole. Yes, no news, we all know that. Asmodai resigned some 
days ago, why? Because fucking Bill Fumerola is a royal asshole. Has fucking 
Bill Fumerola ever done any worthwhile work for FreeBSD? NO. He prefers to 
spend his time flaming other people. FUCK YOU FUMEROLA!

Jordan Hubbard left, Mike Smith left. Why? Because a large number of the 
people involved in FreeBSD are either assholes or hypocrites. What's the 
prefered game in #bsdcode? Right, flaming Terry Lambert. Terry may not be 
perfect, but he has *never* insulted anyone, he's a nice person to talk to, 
and pretty often comes up with nice ideas. I'm talking to you, fucking Hiten 
Pandya, damned asshole. And I'm talking to you, stupid Alfred Perlstein. 
Alfred is an interesting person. He seems to be drunk most of the time, has 
never contributed anything important to the project, yet he likes to flame 
around all the time.

Matthew Dillon is one of the few hackers worth his salt, what does he get in 
return? A 5 day commit bit suspension. Matt, please, join NetBSD, they need 
help in the SMP code, and leave all these hypocrites alone.

David O'Brien -> good hacker but a total asshole
Dag-Erling Smorgrav -> a total asshole
Alfred Perlstein -> drunktard and hypocrite
Bill Fumerola -> The überasshole, FUCK FUMEROLA
Kris Kennaway -> Hyprocrite
Hiten Pandya -> an IMBECILE, grow up fucking moron

You all owe Terry Lambert an apology, stupid hypocrites.

To the rest of the people, jump shit now, and join NetBSD while you can. 
FreeBSD is not worth the hassle.



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Re: Help need please--Kernel Panic... 2nd post....

2002-06-18 Thread Doug Barton

[ You should post questions about 5.0-current on the freebsd-current
mailing list first, for future reference. ]

Andy Sporner wrote:
> 
> Hi Hackers,
> 
> I am using FreeBSD 5.0-20020302-PREVIEW and have the following panic.

This is actually a pretty good time to cvsup your sources and build the
latest -current. Numerous problems have been fixed in the last two
months.

Good luck,

Doug

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