Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?

2012-07-03 Thread Remko Lodder

On Jul 3, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

> Doug Barton  writes:
>> The correct solution to this problem is to remove BIND from the base
>> altogether, but I have no energy for all the whinging that would happen
>> if I tried (again) to do that.
> 
> I don't think there will be as much whinging as you expect.  Times have
> changed.
> 
> I'm willing to import and maintain unbound (BSD-licensed validating,
> recursive, and caching DNS resolver) if you remove BIND.
> 
> DES
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> 

+1 for unbound :-)

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Re: "/var/log/messages" logs appear in the output of "sysctl -a"

2009-01-07 Thread Remko Lodder


You are looking at the kernel message buffer with 'sysctl -a'.  
(kern.msgbuf).


Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Interrupts issues

2008-09-21 Thread Remko Lodder
 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0
atkbd0:  irq 1 on atkbdc0
kbd0 at atkbd0
atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
atkbd0: [ITHREAD]
cpu0:  on acpi0
acpi_throttle0:  on cpu0
acpi_throttle0: CLK_VAL field overlaps THT_EN bit
device_attach: acpi_throttle0 attach returned 6
powernow0:  on cpu0
cpu1:  on acpi0
powernow1:  on cpu1
orm0:  at iomem 0xcd800-0xce7ff on isa0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
WARNING: ZFS is considered to be an experimental feature in FreeBSD.
Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec
ZFS filesystem version 6
ZFS storage pool version 6
ad4: 381554MB  at ata2-master SATA300
ad6: 381554MB  at ata3-master SATA300
SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched!
Trying to mount root from zfs:tank/root


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Re: abort?

2008-02-10 Thread Remko Lodder

Cihan Kömeçoğlu wrote:

Hello list

I cant understand why kill function is called two times to send
sigabort signal. One signal to send is enough, isn't it?

Thanks



void
abort(void) /* POSIX-style abort() function */
{
sigset_t   mask;
struct sigaction   action;

/*
 * Caller can't ignore SIGABRT, if so reset to default.
 */
sigaction(SIGABRT, NULL, &action);
if (action.sa_handler == SIG_IGN) {
action.sa_handler = SIG_DFL;
sigaction(SIGABRT, &action, NULL);
}
if (action.sa_handler == SIG_DFL)
fflush(NULL);   /* flush all open stdio streams */

/*
 * Caller can't block SIGABRT; make sure it's unblocked.
 */
sigfillset(&mask);
sigdelset(&mask, SIGABRT);  /* mask has only SIGABRT turned off */
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, &mask, NULL);
kill(getpid(), SIGABRT);/* send the signal */

  ^ kill 1


/*
 * If we're here, process caught SIGABRT and returned.
 */
fflush(NULL);   /* flush all open stdio streams */
action.sa_handler = SIG_DFL;
sigaction(SIGABRT, &action, NULL);  /* reset to default */
sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, &mask, NULL);  /* just in case ... */
kill(getpid(), SIGABRT);/* and one more time */

   kill 2


exit(1);/* this should never be executed ... */
}
 



Just a wild guess... but if you read the above you'll see two kill 
statements, without conditionals around it, so my guess is that

even when the signal had already been send (kill 1), the information
regarding the pid etc remains in memory, and when you traverse the code,
it sends it again (kill 2).

my E0.02

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Re: How to add wake on lan support for your card (was: Re: FreeBSD WOL sis on)

2007-11-28 Thread Remko Lodder

On Thu, November 29, 2007 12:01 am, Stefan Sperling wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:57:57PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote:
>> > Maybe we should add a wiki page about wake on lan?
>> > Reading http://wiki.freebsd.org/AboutWiki it seems that if
>> > I created an account there and someone added me to the
>> > ContributorsGroup for a new WakeOnLan page I would be good to go.
>>
>> This is right. If you tell us the name you registered (we have the
>> convention to use FirstnameLastname), I try to get the time to add you.
>
> OK, I've created an account in the wiki.
> My login is StefanSperling
>
> Thanks :)
>
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> 0xF59D25F0
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Hi Stefan,

I added you to the list.

Cheers
remko

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Re: How to add wake on lan support for your card

2007-11-28 Thread Remko Lodder
Stefan Sperling wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 05:13:28PM +0100, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>>> Well, I hope I haven't missed anything important, but I guess
>>> that's about it.
>> Wow ! seems like you spent a fair time assembling that lot,
> 
> About 2 hours.
> 
>> & it'd sure be a shame if it just got dusty in mail archives,
>> (OK apart from current readers who might latch it).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> Maybe you could send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] list or via send-pr &
>> suggest it be swallowed as an Annex to main docs ? Seems useful.
> 
> I guess the wiki would be more appropriate than the main docs.
> 
> Maybe we should add a wiki page about wake on lan?
> Reading http://wiki.freebsd.org/AboutWiki it seems that if
> I created an account there and someone added me to the
> ContributorsGroup for a new WakeOnLan page I would be good to go.
> 
> Another place I could add it to is the wake on lan PR, which is at
> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=kern/83807
> 
> Anyway, it's not lost in any case, because it's in the archives,
> and at least I know about it and can always link people there if
> they want to read it (or if they ask me to add support for
> their card, heheh).
> 

Let me know the accountname and I can arrange that you can access it :)

cheers
remko

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Re: Welcome to Hell / Mysterious networking troubles on FreeBSD

2007-11-24 Thread Remko Lodder
Joel V. wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> A big thanks to everyone who contacted me. FreeBSD really has the best
> community one could help for.
> 
> Now, it has been confirmed by the backbone manager that we're dealing with a
> DDOS attack. However, the ISP seems to be as clueless as a headless sheep,
> and we haven't been able to contact their technical staff yet (of course one
> can't be 100% sure that they even have a technical staff, judging by the
> level of their response).
> 
> Hopefully the situation will be fixed soon. One final question though: are
> there any quick steps one can take to protect their server from DDOS attacks
> like these?
> 
> Again, thanks to everyone who helped out.
> 
> Joel V.
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel V. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM
> To: 'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'
> Subject: RE: Welcome to Hell / Mysterious networking troubles on FreeBSD
> 
> As a lot of people recommended using tcpdump, here it is. The only thing
> that stands out, are hundreds and thousands of lines like this:
> 
> 13:45:49.991592 IP 82.165.252.222.36887 > ns1.galandrex.ee.43077: UDP,
> length 9216
> 13:45:49.996482 IP 82.165.252.222.36887 > ns1.galandrex.ee.33803: UDP,
> length 9216
> 13:45:50.001174 IP 82.165.252.222.36887 > ns1.galandrex.ee.63574: UDP,
> length 9216
> 13:45:50.005955 IP 82.165.252.222.36887 > ns1.galandrex.ee.36618: UDP,
> length 9216
> 13:45:50.010749 IP 82.165.252.222.36887 > ns1.galandrex.ee.48231: UDP,
> length 9216 
> 
> That IP resolves to u15194704.onlinehome-server.com. Seems to be a german
> ISP. After five seconds the capture.out file was already 2.8MB. You can see
> the file here: https://89.219.136.126/capture.out
> 
> Thank you again to all the nice people who contacted me. And again, it would
> be nice if you could send me a copy of your reply, because I'm not a member
> of the list (either reply or cc to [EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks!
> 
> Joel V.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel V. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:00 AM
> To: 'freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org'
> Subject: Welcome to Hell / Mysterious networking troubles on FreeBSD
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm not experiencing this problem, my friend is. He's simply too pissed off
> to write here and I'm afraid he's going to set his office on fire if he
> doesn't solve the problem soon, so without further ado, here's the problem:
> 
> He has two fbsd boxes, main server running 6.1 and dns server running 4.3.
> He has 4 public IPs which he can use and the main server is running on
> x.x.x.122. He's main box is NOT acting as a gateway/NAT box in the office.
> Today he noticed that net is getting awfully slow. Sometimes there would be
> 50% pl when pinging, sometimes pinging would be all OK, but SSH is dead-slow
> and the webpages running on the main server are not displaying. E-mails are
> not going through. He calls the ISP, who say that his network is showing
> major uploading activity. He switches off networking services one by one in
> the main box but situation does not improve. He disconnects the main server
> and puts a windows xp box instead, which seems to run fine. He puts back the
> freebsd box, disables all networking services again except for SSH and
> connects the network: instant 100% networking slow-down. He tried to change
> the switch, thinking it's faulty. He disconnect every other computer in the
> office from the network: nothing. He put the public IP address on the
> second, internal network NIC: same thing. Now it gets really mysterious: he
> puts the old dns server with the x.x.x.122 IP and instantly it becomes slow
> as death. The logical conclusion would be that someone is flooding that IP?
> Only the windows xp box seemed to work fine and the ISP guy said it was
> upload bandwidth that was excessive...
> 
> Netstat -a doesn't show anything interesting, arp -a doesn't show any
> incomplete addresses He tried to build and install a new fresh kernel.
> Nothing. This is the most creepy networking problem I've heard of. Can YOU
> help? Any ideas where to start looking?
> 
> I'm not in the freebsd-hackers list, so if you want the e-mail to reach me,
> send a copy to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> Joel
> 

If someone wants to flood your network connection with packets there is
nothing you can do about it, your line can only handle so much packets
even if you just drop them or something.

You'll just have to wait till the ISP can resolve it or the attack
stops :(

Cheers
remko

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Re: Any hope to have things requested by NVidia in FreeBSD-7?

2007-11-16 Thread Remko Lodder
Yuri wrote:
> I read long time ago that the reason that NVidia can't have their driver on
> 64-bit platform is that FreeBSD kernel lacks some functionality.
> 
> Is this functionality present in 7.0? Or when to expect this to be done?
> 
> I have NVidia card but still run 32-bit system because of lack of driver.
> 
> Yuri

Hello,

This discussion gets over and over again actually, no the required
support is not yet there. There is a wiki page which denotes what
is required to get this going.

http://wiki.freebsd.org/NvidiaFeatureRequests

If you desperately need this, then consider funding someone
(this has popped up before, it's interesting to arrange something
like this because you need a trustable intermediating party that
can arrange this, the FreeBSD Foundation is currently not able
to do so as far as I can recall); who will do the work for you
or do it yourself.

There is currently no other way to get the support you want.

Thanks,
remko

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Re: Nvidia amd64

2007-09-28 Thread Remko Lodder
On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 09:58:38AM +0200, Giulio Ferro wrote:
>  Sam Fourman Jr. wrote:
> >
> > if there was a bounty system for FreeBSD I would pledge $100 USD for
> > work that would help amd64 nvidia... heck I would even settle for
> > someone that wants to take lead and setup a paypal collection.
> >
> > Sam Fourman Jr.
> >   
> 
>  I completely agree. Some guy here went as far as saying that nobody gives a
>  damn about nvidia drivers, but from what  I see (here and on nvidia forum)
>  the opposite is true.

Hello,

Hopefully you are not pointing to me in this case?

> 
>  Ok, let's see how we can fund this project. First of all the interested 
>  developers
>  should assess the bulk of work to do and how long it will take them to 
>  complete
>  it. Then we can think about how many people are interested in opening their
>  wallet to see it come into being.

Lets do it the other way around ,lets see what people are willing to pay for
this, so that the person applying for this knows what he can expect. Pay by
feature instead of pay by time.

Cheers
remko

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Re: Nvidia amd64

2007-09-27 Thread Remko Lodder
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 04:05:28PM +0200, Giulio Ferro wrote:
>  Remko Lodder wrote:
> > without that, do notice that people do this in their own free time, which
> > could either take some time before it's there, or might not be interesting
> > enough to work on currently (because of other things at work, private life
> > other code etc).
> >
> >   
>  To say that there isn't enough interest in the nvidia driver would
>  be outrageous. The lack of a amd64 nvidia driver currently the first
>  cause that makes desktop users like myself prefer other operating
>  systems to freebsd. I'm still using fb, of course, because on the whole
>  it's still worth it. But I'm not happy about it (the nv driver doesn't work
>  on the 8600M GT, so I'm forced to use the dumb vesa driver)...
> 
>  There's a lot of projects going on, and I appreciate it, but I can't help
>  thinking that maybe some developers should consider this a priority as much
>  as many of us users do...


Well the problem here imo (I am speaking for myself here, as well as in my
previous reply) is that -you- cannot set the priorities for our developers
unless you pay the developer to just that what you want to have. For you the
AMD64 driver of the Nvidia GPU's might be interesting for someone else it
isn't, you might or might not like that but interests can go a whole round
and every step in that circle means a different interest.

You and indeed a lot of others think it would be beneficial to have, but
so far nobody stepped up who had enough time or interest or whatever to
do this, if you all make a bounty for this or try something else to get
this covered, I am pretty sure at least someone will do it (sometime).

It's unfair from you to -demand- something from a volunteer project with
software that you are free to use, or rather from developers' free time
while you are seemingly not willing to spend your own free time on it
(I would get the same reponse from you if I were to ask you to paint my
entire house for nothing (and you are the one paying for the paint)
where the house is a huge castle).

So, if you want this really bad, and others as well, consider my above
reasoning, till that time, we (including myself indeed) can only hope that
at some point somebody has enough time and interest to start and finish
this project.

Cheers
remko

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Re: Nvidia amd64

2007-09-27 Thread Remko Lodder
On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 03:07:42PM +0200, Giulio Ferro wrote:
>  Sam Fourman Jr. wrote:
> >>> There is no driver.
> >>>   
> >> I sort of surmised that already...
> >>
> >>
> >> So, we are still years away from seeing a working nvidia driver,
> >> by the look of it...
> >> 
> >
> > I guess what I am confused about, is there someone actively working on
> > the Nvidia requests, or does a capable individual need to take the
> > lead on this project?
> >
> >   
>  And that's exactly what I'd very much like to know...
>  ___

>From what I know and what I can see; there is nobody actively working in
this region to get the things fixed to get this far. Ofcourse like rsync.net
you are free to sponsor these items if they are really important to you,
without that, do notice that people do this in their own free time, which
could either take some time before it's there, or might not be interesting
enough to work on currently (because of other things at work, private life
other code etc).

It's not a matter of a capable individual taking the lead, it's a matter
of having someone capable enough working on this for some time, which can
be achieved by sponsoring that capable person for example.

Cheers
remko
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Re: Attansic L1 Gigabit LAN Controller

2007-09-18 Thread Remko Lodder
Hello Alex,

PErhaps you can start by submitting a boot -v and pciconf -vl from the
machine to identify the card? if it's a common thing we use at the moment
already; the addition -could- be trivial... but without any information
this is difficult.

Remember that something which is important for you might not be important
for others; demanding work from others is interesting every now and then;
so if you -urgently- and -really- need it, you could consider funding this
part :-)

Cheers
remko

On Tue, September 18, 2007 1:32 pm, Alex Lukin wrote:
> Hi, FreeBSD gurus!
>
> Is anybody working on driver for ${subj} ?
>
> Linux 2.6.22 has driver  for this card ( Attansic L1) under GNU license,
> so we
> can port it to FreeBSD. Some smart guy  bought ASUS MB with this addapter
> on
> board for my university and I need to run FreeBSD so... I badly need the
> driver.
>
> This driver is  Intel's e1000 so it won't be much difficult to port.
> I do not have any expirience to write BSD network drivers so please guys
> take
> this task for 7.0
>
> If no one interested so let it be, it will my first net driver for FreeBSD
> :)
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Re: i am facing these issues after my FreeBSD 6.2 installation.

2007-03-14 Thread Remko Lodder
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 08:47:50PM +0100, Roger Olofsson wrote:
> Hello Ajay,
> 
> 2. May I suggest that you get the source code for vim and compile it? 
> It's available at the wonderful Vi lovers homepage at -> 
> http://thomer.com/vi/vi.html
> 
> 3. You could, for instance, create a small file containing the startx 
> command, make sure that file is executable by doing chmod ugo+x 
>  and place that file in /usr/local/etc/rc.d.

That is a very bad advise imo. rc.d scripts are started by root and unless
the daemons started drop privileges, you will be running X as root, which
is not something you want to persue. Additionally; there are far better
alternatives then using these kind of solutions.

That said; Thanks for the willingness to help someone out! It is really
appriciated and shows the power of the FreeBSD Community!

Cheers,
Remko

> 
> 5. The sources are available as a package. Just install them using csup 
> or any other method you prefer.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
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Re: can't connect to cvsup.freebsd.org

2006-12-06 Thread Remko Lodder
I dont have any problems here, get a maximum connections exceeded message 
though.

Hope this helps!

On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:34:32PM -0500, Steven Friedrich wrote:
> but I'm able to connect to cvsup5 and cvsup6.
> 
> The main ftp site says: Cannot connect to data port: Connection refused
> 
> This started around the time of the cut-overs.
> 
> -- 
> i386 FreeBSD 4.11-STABLE
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> then, the others.

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Re: Tracing binaries statically linked against vulnerable libs

2006-10-06 Thread Remko Lodder
Hello,

The thing I would do with known applications that are linked statically
to a vulnerable version of ${Application} is bumping the version of the
port.

Why do i do that? If ffmpeg in this case is being updated and the
PORTREVISION of gstreamer as well, people get informed that they should
update, I would also mark it vulnerable (the version with the lower
PORTREVISION) so that people are "forced" to reinstall the application
which causes the link to reoccur with hopefully the fixed version.

We did that with xpdf as well as far as i can recall. and yes that was
like hell, but it has to be done to protect our user base.

Does this give enough hands and feeds to help you?

Cheers,
remko
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> I wonder if there is a way to deal with statically linked binaries,
> which use vulnerable libraries.
>
> There's this advisory:
> http://www.vuxml.org/freebsd/964161cd-6715-11da-99f6-00123ffe8333.html
>
> But mplayer and libxine are linked statically against ffmpeg,
> as are reportedly many other apps like gstreamer. Of course
> I can install every port that requires ffmpeg directly, look for
> "lavc" strings and compare it to ldd output, but it sounds like
> a nightmare.
>
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Re: Bind within src-contrib

2005-10-12 Thread Remko Lodder

Johnson David wrote:

From: Frank Laszlo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


How would you like a system with no host(1), dig(1), or nslookup(1)? I 
personally consider these tools essential for a freebsd system.



Are these utilities used anywhere else in FreeBSD, such as the startup
scripts? Are they something required by the vast majority of users? If not,
I wouldn't consider them "essential". That doesn't mean I would move them to
ports, as there's a lot of other non-essential software in the base system
(biff, indent, etc.).

David


Imo this discussion does not belong here but on hackers@
so i changed the CC line for that.

I will only reply on the part: "not having host, dig and nslookup
available", since there might be other tools that can do the
resolving part as well which i do not currently know.

A system without resolver libraries and applications simply is not
maintainable by default. If you have no resolving applications in your
base system you will not be able to install a port or anything at all
that requires remote access. Why? because your machine cannot map the
www.freebsd.org host (example) to an ip address. Without being able to
do so, it simply cannot find the ip address of the host where the
files might live resulting in a failre to obtain the files. And well
without files it will be difficult to install something...

I hope this helps a bit in why resolving capabilities are needed in the
base system.

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Re: HEADS UP! KSE needs more attention

2004-06-06 Thread Remko Lodder
Hey all,
Daniel Eischen wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:

On Sun, Jun 06, 2004 at 02:31:56PM -0600, Scott Long wrote:


Not to take away from the tremendous effort that jake had done for
sparc64, but it should really take more than one or two supporting
developers to obtain tier 1 support.  People come and go, and
tierness should take that into account.
We shouldn't keep an arch at tier 1 just to save face.  Better to just
lower it to tier 2 and be done with it.  My $.02, FWIW.
I agree with Daniel, although i am not developping for freebsd (lack of 
knowledge). I think that what Daniel says is true, you cannot say that 
you support a product in a tier 1 status, while you have way to less 
people to resolve things.

In my opinion it's also better to lower it then, and perhaps upgrade it 
again when more supporters are available to resolve issues.

It takes more time to recover from "failed support" then by honestly 
saying that you don't have the manpower to support it in a tier 1 branch.

Besides that i can understand that this will hit certain people, 
depending on the sparc64 tier 1 status, but perhaps they can support as 
well.. We need to resolve this with all of us, and if we cannot find 
enough people to help , then it should -sadly enough- be degraded in 
tier status.

my $0.02 :)
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Re: ADI AD1980 6-channel audio

2004-04-19 Thread Remko Lodder
> Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Because I do not trust 5.x yet. There are way, way too many problems
>> reported with it, daily, on the freebsd-questions list, for me to touch
>> it
>> with the proverbial ten-foot pole. :)
>
> I really think you should do yourself a favor and try it out before
> dismissing it out of hand.  It's a lot better than its reputation.

I Stick with DES here, i did not meet up any real troubles yet with the 5
Branch, the minor problems i had where from my own hand. So indeed like
DES says, don't follow the rest like a sheep, be the black sheep, test it
yourself before following the rest.

Cheers!!

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Re: [Freebsd-hackers] test

2004-03-18 Thread Remko Lodder
a root, now lets send some bogus stuff to your client, perhaps we can 
obtain some evil privileges...

in short: Dont email as root, not even when you test

Cheers

root wrote:

test
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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Call for FreeBSD Bi-Monthly Status Reports

2004-03-08 Thread Remko Lodder
Hi,

Scott replied with a corrected url:

http://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-sample.xml

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Laar
Verzonden: maandag 8 maart 2004 11:56
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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Call for FreeBSD Bi-Monthly Status
Reports


On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 07:20, Scott Long wrote:
> All,
>
> It's time for the Jan-Feb 2004 FreeBSD status report.  It hasn't been
quite
> two months since the last report, but I'm trying to get back onto the
normal
> 2-month cycle.  Please submit your report to [EMAIL PROTECTED] by March
13,
> 2004.  The template for the report is at
> http://www.freebsd.org/status/reports-sample.xml

I get a 404 error.
Is there another place I can download it?

regards,

Roland

> Scott Long


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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] ed0 problems

2004-02-23 Thread Remko Lodder
Checkout dmesg | more
See if your network card is listed there, with it's interface name and
correct your commands :)


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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] ed0 problems


hi,

FreeBSD beginner here.
planning to connect my FreeBSD box and my RedHat 9 box
at home, so that telnet into the FreeBSd box cause I
have just one monitor.

anyway,
I tried this:
/sbin/ifconfig ed0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0

error returned was ed0 : no such interface.

There is also no 'ed0' under /dev. How do I setup
networking between two nodes?

Please help.

Thanks in advance,
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currently running on Shrike with GNOME 2.4 (SVG rokx)

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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network cardproblem in FreeBSD 5.2-current

2004-02-16 Thread Remko Lodder
Alright,

the module is already compiled into the kernel, or the driver is already
loaded.
Strange, because i yesterday build in the same nic on my machine.


uname -a
FreeBSD luca.elvandar.org 5.2.1-RC2 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RC2 #2: Sun Feb 15
19:44:28 CET 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/freebsd52/src/sys/i386/compile/ELVANDAR  i386


em0:  port
0xa000-0xa03f mem 0xde00-0xde01,0xde80-0xde81 irq 12 at
device 10.0 on pci0
em0:  Speed:N/A  Duplex:N/A


Could it be a bios setting (note that i am guessing now) ?, onboard nic
enabled..

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Verzonden: maandag 16 februari 2004 12:16
Aan: Remko Lodder
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Onderwerp: RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network
cardproblem in FreeBSD 5.2-current


When I try to load if_em.ko module /var/log/messages says:

Feb 16 19:08:41 mnao1 kernel: module_register: module pci/em already exists!
Feb 16 19:08:41 mnao1 kernel: Module pci/em failed to register: 17


Ganbold

At 07:07 PM 16.02.2004, you wrote:
>What happends when you load the module if_em.ko
>
>kldload if_em.ko
>
>Cheers,
>
>--
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Remko Lodder
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>hackerscene
>
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>
>-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven
>Hartland
>Verzonden: maandag 16 februari 2004 11:54
>Aan: Mike Silbersack; Ganbold
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network
>cardproblem in FreeBSD 5.2-current
>
>
>Not wishing to point out the obvious but there's no EM controller there?
> Steve
>- Original Message -
>From: "Ganbold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mike Silbersack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network card problem in FreeBSD
>5.2-current
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Following is the output of pciconf -lv command:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x00171166
> > rev=0x32 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'CMIC-SL'
> >  class= bridge
> >  subclass = HOST-PCI
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:1:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x00171166
> > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'CMIC-SL'
> >  class= bridge
> >  subclass = HOST-PCI
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0:   class=0x02 card=0x9207103c chip=0x1213 rev=0x10
> > hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'Accton Technology Corporation'
> >  device   = 'EN-1207D Fast Ethernet Adapter'
> >  class= network
> >  subclass = ethernet
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:0:class=0x03 card=0x01351028 chip=0x47521002
> > rev=0x27 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ATI Technologies'
> >  device   = 'Rage XL PCI'
> >  class= display
> >  subclass = VGA
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:0:   class=0x06 card=0x02011166 chip=0x02011166
> > rev=0x93 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'CSB5 PCI to ISA Bridge'
> >  class= bridge
> >  subclass = HOST-PCI
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:1:  class=0x01018a card=0xc1351028 chip=0x02121166
> > rev=0x93 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'CSB5 PCI EIDE Controller'
> >  class= mass storage
> >  subclass = ATA
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:2:class=0x0c0310 card=0x02201166 chip=0x02201166
> > rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'OSB4 OpenHCI Compliant USB Controller'
> >  class= serial bus
> >  subclass = USB
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:3:class=0x060100 card=0x02301166 chip=0x02251166
> > rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
> >  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
> >  device   = 'CSB5 PCI Bridge'
> >  class= bridge
> >  subclass = PCI-ISA
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:16:0:   clas

RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network cardproblem in FreeBSD 5.2-current

2004-02-16 Thread Remko Lodder
What happends when you load the module if_em.ko

kldload if_em.ko

Cheers,

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Verzonden: maandag 16 februari 2004 11:54
Aan: Mike Silbersack; Ganbold
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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network
cardproblem in FreeBSD 5.2-current


Not wishing to point out the obvious but there's no EM controller there?
Steve
- Original Message -
From: "Ganbold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mike Silbersack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Intel PRO/1000 MT onboard network card problem in FreeBSD
5.2-current


> Hi,
>
> Following is the output of pciconf -lv command:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x00171166
> rev=0x32 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CMIC-SL'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = HOST-PCI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:1:class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x00171166
> rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CMIC-SL'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = HOST-PCI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0:   class=0x02 card=0x9207103c chip=0x1213 rev=0x10
> hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'Accton Technology Corporation'
>  device   = 'EN-1207D Fast Ethernet Adapter'
>  class= network
>  subclass = ethernet
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:14:0:class=0x03 card=0x01351028 chip=0x47521002
> rev=0x27 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ATI Technologies'
>  device   = 'Rage XL PCI'
>  class= display
>  subclass = VGA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:0:   class=0x06 card=0x02011166 chip=0x02011166
> rev=0x93 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CSB5 PCI to ISA Bridge'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = HOST-PCI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:1:  class=0x01018a card=0xc1351028 chip=0x02121166
> rev=0x93 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CSB5 PCI EIDE Controller'
>  class= mass storage
>  subclass = ATA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:2:class=0x0c0310 card=0x02201166 chip=0x02201166
> rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'OSB4 OpenHCI Compliant USB Controller'
>  class= serial bus
>  subclass = USB
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:15:3:class=0x060100 card=0x02301166 chip=0x02251166
> rev=0x00 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CSB5 PCI Bridge'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = PCI-ISA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:16:0:   class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x01011166
> rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CIOB-X2'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = HOST-PCI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:16:2:   class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x01011166
> rev=0x05 hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'ServerWorks (Was: Reliance Computer Corp)'
>  device   = 'CIOB-X2'
>  class= bridge
>  subclass = HOST-PCI
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:4:0:  class=0x01 card=0x01351028 chip=0x00301000 rev=0x07
> hdr=0x00
>  vendor   = 'LSI Logic (Was: Symbios Logic, NCR)'
>  device   = 'LSI53C1020/1030 PCI-X to Ultra320 SCSI Controller'
>  class= mass storage
>  subclass = SCSI


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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] What kind of a crash is this ? (kernel ? userland?)

2004-02-01 Thread Remko Lodder
i dont think it's a crash.

i think there processess sucking up your cpu / memory etc.
that is why your login prompt does not get any cpu cycli's
therefor never giving you a prompt...

I had it when i had a nice little .kshrc file which did a id,pwd,
and stuff like that to give me the nice little
remko:machine [path]$ banner,
but that took so many proces space etc, that the computer stopped
responding.


Hope thishelped you a little :)

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userland?)


Hello,

I have become familiar with certain FreeBSD crashes - namely, I can tell the
difference between the kernel crashing, and the userland crashing.

If the machine is down, but I can still ping it, then the userland has
crashed - the kernel is still running, which is why it responds to pings.

But if it crashes and just reboots itself, then the kernel has crashed.
Oversimplified I know, but I am leading up to:

What kind of a crash is it if:

I can ssh to the system, it gives me the BSD copyright and the uname
message, but never ever gives me a prompt.  What is going on in this
scenario ?  What kind of things have you seen that cause a crash like this ?

thanks.


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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Yes, send-pr results in virus emails

2004-01-27 Thread Remko Lodder
right,

and perhaps the pr stuff is on a archive somewhere, since it gets forwarded
to
freebsd-bugs for example, then gets fetched by a virus/worm or something
and you still get slained by it,

What i try to say is that there are many ways in which your mail address
might be
snooped, and since there are quite a lot of users on this list, and there
shall
always be an infected machine, makes it quite hard to track all those
persons down,
personally i dont think there is that much time,

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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Yes, send-pr results in virus emails


  OK, on January 23 I sent in a PR from a development-only machine
using the send-pr command.  This machine happens to actually receive
mail because I'm testing mail server software on it, but I have never
used it to send mail, and I have never gotten mail on that machine
other than via sending test messages to myself.  So this address did
*not* exist in anybody's address book before I sent a PR from it, OK?

  About 8 minutes after the PR acknowledgment from GNATS I got the
first virus response of Worm/Gibe.F, originating from
cpe-138-217-67-84.vic.bigpond.net.au [138.217.67.84].  I've totalled 20
virus emails in the past few days, from around the world.  Not
horrendous, but annoying and "bad press".

  I don't think there need be any more doubt that PRs are being
forwarded to virus-infected clients.  I have no idea who to take this
up with, but I would really appreciate it if somebody could track
these folks down and unsubscribe them until they can get their
machines cleaned up.  Rather than harass all the readers with the
list, I've compiled one and I'll send it to an appropriate
administrator for the PR list when I find one.

  -- Clifton

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FW: [Freebsd-hackers] 5.2 install hangs

2004-01-22 Thread Remko Lodder
Forgot to include this in the List,

my apologies

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Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2004 13:11
Aan: Socketd
Onderwerp: RE: [Freebsd-hackers] 5.2 install hangs


Perhaps some devices use the same IRQ or something like that,

I had something similiar, 2 nics that used IRQ 10 and the IDE device 
used that also (Don't know if it's the correct IRQ but, for reference
it should be ok ;p)

Check that out beacause they might lock eachother out.

Cheers

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Verzonden: donderdag 22 januari 2004 13:12
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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] 5.2 install hangs


Hi all

I'm trying to install FreeBSD 5.2-release on my:

i386
1 Ghz
384 mb ram
60 gb harddisk
120 mb floppy disk

It's running 4.9-release now btw.

I've downloaded the iso for disc1 and made a cd. I have used that cd to
install 5.2 on my laptop, test computer and my server, but when trying
to install it on my main workstation I get:

ad0: 58644 mb  [119150/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100
GEOM: create disk afd0 dp=0xc3f1bb6c
afd0: REMOVABLE  at ata0-slave PIO3

I've tried removing the floppy drive, but the it just hangs after:
ad0: 58644 mb  [119150/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100

Any ideas?

br
socketd
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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: FreeBSD 5.1 Installation probelms

2004-01-11 Thread Remko Lodder
Excuse me, that is what i ment, (the logical drives)
As said with Avinash, we could not access that as well,
and he used to program he replied with (will be posted to this list
when the admin approves :) ) to restore it's data. But perhaps that makes it
also able to modify it a little to make it accessible by freebsd
fdisk/disklabel (not sysinstall
i think, since i think it calles fdisk or disklabel).

Anyway i am not sure this will work and does the job, but perhaps you can
have a look at it,
Though i never had your problem, as said i just plugged in a little extra
harddrive (450mb was
my first and it worked perfect :) )

and i do know the l33t language, but i prefer the 'normal' language :)

please to meet you toufeeq
and success with your harddrive/freebsd and your test.


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Van: 70uf33q Hu5541n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zondag 11 januari 2004 23:35
Aan: Remko Lodder
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Onderwerp: RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: FreeBSD 5.1 Installation probelms


hey Remko,

the FreeBSD sysinstall (i think) program does identify
the extended partitions but not the logical drives
contained in it.

and yes, I've not introduced myself yet. :D
btw,
I'm Toufeeq from Chennai,India.
20 yrs old doing my Engineering final year.

Been a linux user for 4 years now. FreeBSD , well I
was interested more in the way the history/development
of the OS took place and that got me hooked on and so
I wanted to give it a try.

Sadly though, my hard disk is causing problems.Though
that wont stop me ;)

btw, name uses wat some people call 'lewt' speak
its just replacing alphabets with numbers, like 3 = e
and a = 4.
so 70uf33q is actually Toufeeq.

love to explain more but its 4 am and I got a test on
Monday.

cheers,
toufeeq
--- Remko Lodder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry to interupt,
>
> but i think that person x, since he has a weird name
> ;-) ,
> means that the partitioning device of freebsd cannot
> access the extended
> partition
> at all.
>
> I had this with a friend of mine, and we could not
> access the devices
> anymore since it was
> packed inside another partition (we migrated from
> linux to freebsd)
> We needed to use a bit of software that could
> re-enable our partition.
> Perhaps Avinash can reply with the software name/
>
> Also it is possible that your partition is held
> inside another one,
>
> how to resolve? No idea, i always started with a
> clean hdd, or a new one
> when the current on needed to be saved.
>
> Hope it helped a little.
> Cheers
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping
> newcomers on the
> hackerscene
>
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>
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> Daan Vreeken
> [PA4DAN]
> Verzonden: zondag 11 januari 2004 14:07
> Aan: 70uf33q Hu5541n
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: FreeBSD 5.1
> Installation probelms
>
>
> On Sunday 11 January 2004 11:29, 70uf33q Hu5541n
> wrote:
> > hey guys,
> >
> > Just got my copy of FreeBSD 5.1.
> > Spent about an hour going through the BSD Handbook
> and
> > preparing a Installation checklist.
> >
> > ok here's my problem.
> >
> > I have a WD 40 GB HDD
> > the primary partition is 10 GB, with the extended
> > partition 28 GB.(the rest 2 GB is in WD's bank).
> >
> > OK , the extended partition has 3 logical drives.
> > To create a slice for BSD, I resized one of the
> > logical drives to free up some space. About 1.2
> > GB,cause that's all I can spare.
> >
> > When I run the installation through CDROM, and the
> > point where I'm to creat the Freebsd slice,the new
> > partition is not displayed in the "FDISK" utility.
> >
> > All I get is the primary (10GB) and the whole
> Extended
> > (28 GB).
> > The freespace I guess is "locked into" the
> Extended
> > Partiton. Not sure though.
> Indeed you first have to resize the extended
> partition before you can use
> the
> space to create slices. The "fdisk" program that
> comes with Windows has no
> way to do this (except deleting all logicle drives
> in the extended partition
> and re-creating them). Have a look at the program
> "Partition Magic". It can
> resize partitions and it has a nice user interface.
>
> grtz,
> Daan
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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: FreeBSD 5.1 Installation probelms

2004-01-11 Thread Remko Lodder
Sorry to interupt,

but i think that person x, since he has a weird name ;-) ,
means that the partitioning device of freebsd cannot access the extended
partition
at all.

I had this with a friend of mine, and we could not access the devices
anymore since it was
packed inside another partition (we migrated from linux to freebsd)
We needed to use a bit of software that could re-enable our partition.
Perhaps Avinash can reply with the software name/

Also it is possible that your partition is held inside another one,

how to resolve? No idea, i always started with a clean hdd, or a new one
when the current on needed to be saved.

Hope it helped a little.
Cheers


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Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

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Verzonden: zondag 11 januari 2004 14:07
Aan: 70uf33q Hu5541n
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: FreeBSD 5.1 Installation probelms


On Sunday 11 January 2004 11:29, 70uf33q Hu5541n wrote:
> hey guys,
>
> Just got my copy of FreeBSD 5.1.
> Spent about an hour going through the BSD Handbook and
> preparing a Installation checklist.
>
> ok here's my problem.
>
> I have a WD 40 GB HDD
> the primary partition is 10 GB, with the extended
> partition 28 GB.(the rest 2 GB is in WD's bank).
>
> OK , the extended partition has 3 logical drives.
> To create a slice for BSD, I resized one of the
> logical drives to free up some space. About 1.2
> GB,cause that's all I can spare.
>
> When I run the installation through CDROM, and the
> point where I'm to creat the Freebsd slice,the new
> partition is not displayed in the "FDISK" utility.
>
> All I get is the primary (10GB) and the whole Extended
> (28 GB).
> The freespace I guess is "locked into" the Extended
> Partiton. Not sure though.
Indeed you first have to resize the extended partition before you can use
the
space to create slices. The "fdisk" program that comes with Windows has no
way to do this (except deleting all logicle drives in the extended partition
and re-creating them). Have a look at the program "Partition Magic". It can
resize partitions and it has a nice user interface.

grtz,
Daan
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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Where is FreeBSD going?

2004-01-06 Thread Remko Lodder
Mark,

You are totally right with the stuff that is starting to stick.

Let us all be happy and continue to support the freebsd.org core team.
Internal fights are pretty common, no one can ever be happy with other's
choices.
But i think it's a shame that one would have to resign or worse the freebsd
project
hangs and perhaps gets killed by this foolish actions.

Keep hanging tight guys!!!

Regards,

Remko Lodder

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Verzonden: maandag 5 januari 2004 23:23
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On Monday 05 Jan 2004 22:01, Remko Lodder wrote:

> I Never ever noticed that these things are playing within freebsd.org
> I See a healthy and good working organisation behind freebsd.org
> I think they are really productional and give out releases a lot of times.

Sorry yeah, I didn't phrase that all that well. I also fully support the
people putting hours of their time into producing a great OS. I just think
that with all of this mud being thrown, some of it is starting to stick.

Mark
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RE: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Where is FreeBSD going?

2004-01-06 Thread Remko Lodder
Hi all freebsd users,

I Never ever noticed that these things are playing within freebsd.org
I See a healthy and good working organisation behind freebsd.org
I think they are really productional and give out releases a lot of times.

I also think that's very sad news to recieve on these days, why are people
sending this,

But then again, i am a loyal freebsd.org fan, i will stick some of my
machines with freebsd os'es,
and i am sure the freebsd.org crew can handle this.

You have my vote!!

Cheers
Remko Lodder

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Verzonden: maandag 5 januari 2004 21:41
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Onderwerp: [Freebsd-hackers] Re: Where is FreeBSD going?


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On Monday 05 Jan 2004 20:33, Maxim Hermion wrote:
> by now, it's
> pretty obvious to most people that RELENG_5 is a dead end, and FreeBSD
> has lost most
> of it's appeal.


I don't think thats the case _yet_, but, IMHO a lot of credibility is on the
line now. If 5.3 does not become 5-STABLE, it will be lost.

Just my 2p

Mark
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