Re: IBM ATA Deskstars *without* tagged queueing?

2002-09-27 Thread Bruce M Simpson

On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 08:07:27PM +0200, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:
 Exactly the same thing happened here with a IC35L020AVER07-0; it did not
 do tagging and i bought it (and many other IBM drives) because of that.
[snip]
 It turned out that the drive i bought had DELL firmware in it [ :- ]
 so they sent me an updated DELL firmware, but that did not enable tagged
 support. I asked for a cross update program to get IBM firmware; they
 had none. They wrote one :-), i got it and now my drive does tagged 
 command queueing.
 
 And all this for a dirt cheap drive ...

This is exactly the sort of thing I'd suspected. If you look at that article
(URL in previous post) then as you can see they've significantly changed the
manufacturing process (even made at a different plant).

Are there any shortcuts to dealing with IBM OEM support or any aspects of
their process? It would be helpful to know before I start the same dialogue
with them re: my DeskStar 120GXP.

If you could send myself as well as Soren a copy of the firmware you received
in the end, too, that would be great. :-)

Many thanks for unraveling this mystery!
BMS

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IBM ATA Deskstars *without* tagged queueing?

2002-09-26 Thread Bruce M Simpson

Guys,

I bought a Deskstar 120GXP that *doesn't* appear to do tagged queueing. I
was wondering if anyone else had encountered such a thing. It's somewhat
annoying; generally I buy IBM drives for precisely the reason that they're
meant to support tagging.

The device model ID is IC35L040AVVN07-0. There's more information about
these OEM drives here:
http://www.digit-life.com/articles/digests/hddreview-0602-ibm.html

The kernel reports it as (note no 'tagging' keyword):-
atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66 controller port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 31.1 on pci0
ad0: 39266MB IC35L040AVVN07-0 [79780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66

I'd expect the UDMA66 as the drive is UDMA100 capable, but the board is
i810 ICH, not ICH0/ICH2.

uname -a:
FreeBSD sulaco.dollah.com 4.7-RC FreeBSD 4.7-RC #0: Wed Sep 25 18:57:20 BST 2002 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/SULACO  i386

Any ideas?
BMS

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Re: IBM ATA Deskstars *without* tagged queueing?

2002-09-26 Thread Mikko Työläjärvi

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Bruce M Simpson wrote:

 I bought a Deskstar 120GXP that *doesn't* appear to do tagged queueing. I
 was wondering if anyone else had encountered such a thing. It's somewhat
 annoying; generally I buy IBM drives for precisely the reason that they're
 meant to support tagging.

 The device model ID is IC35L040AVVN07-0. There's more information about
 these OEM drives here:
 http://www.digit-life.com/articles/digests/hddreview-0602-ibm.html

I've got the 60GB model x 2.  Since 4.6 the system won't even boot
with tagging enabled :-(

 The kernel reports it as (note no 'tagging' keyword):-
 atapci0: Intel ICH ATA66 controller port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 31.1 on pci0
 ad0: 39266MB IC35L040AVVN07-0 [79780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66

Do you have hw.ata.tags=1 in /boot/loader.conf?  It is 0 by
default (check with sysctl hw.ata.tags). See ata(4).

  $.02,
  /Mikko




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Re: IBM ATA Deskstars *without* tagged queueing?

2002-09-26 Thread Hellmuth Michaelis

Bruce M Simpson wrote:

 I bought a Deskstar 120GXP that *doesn't* appear to do tagged queueing. I
 was wondering if anyone else had encountered such a thing. It's somewhat
 annoying; generally I buy IBM drives for precisely the reason that they're
 meant to support tagging.

Exactly the same thing happened here with a IC35L020AVER07-0; it did not
do tagging and i bought it (and many other IBM drives) because of that.

I spend some time verifying that it really was the drive that did not do
tagging (rests: http://people.freebsd.org/~hm/misc/atacontrol.c) and when
i was shure i called IBM technical support.

This was one of the best support i ever got: the guy on the other side
understood what i meant, he called back without me remebering him to call
back, i got feedback, test software, and so on ...

It turned out that the drive i bought had DELL firmware in it [ :- ]
so they sent me an updated DELL firmware, but that did not enable tagged
support. I asked for a cross update program to get IBM firmware; they
had none. They wrote one :-), i got it and now my drive does tagged 
command queueing.

And all this for a dirt cheap drive ...

hellmuth (Cc trimmed down to -hackers)
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Hellmuth MichaelisHamburg, Europe[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.kts.org
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Re: IBM ATA Deskstars *without* tagged queueing?

2002-09-26 Thread Soeren Schmidt

It seems Hellmuth Michaelis wrote:
 support. I asked for a cross update program to get IBM firmware; they
 had none. They wrote one :-), i got it and now my drive does tagged 
 command queueing.

Well, I've always liked IBM's as well, anyhow do you still have the
update program ? I'd like to add that to my collection.
(One of these days I really should find out how they do the
firmware download)...

-Søren

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