Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
--- Thomas Sparrevohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 28 June 2007 14:44:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Thomas Sparrevohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ... I have Vista Home edition ruinning any FreeBSD without any problems and without having to do anything special - That is on CURRENT Hmm... Installation order is important, perhaps you already had FreeBSD before installing Vista? In my case Vista Premium came preinstalled, there was also a FAT partition (with diagnostic stuff) and an NTFS for rescue purposes. No - The originally came with XP - I nuked that and installed FreeBSD - However I did nuke the XP totally before upgrading to Vista - It does overwrite the FreeBSD MBR - I just rebooted using a CD and added the mbr again Of course getting the new computer without Vista was not really an option :(, but MS went too far this time, they removed postcript type1 font support and they crippled OpenGL enough that major CAD packages don't work easily or have something like 85% performance penalty. Pedro. --- Hi, this may not be the correct place to ask - but it is related. Has anyone been able to get Vista running on qemu? Cheers, Tim. Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
On Thursday 28 June 2007 03:08:34 Garrett Cooper wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. Microsoft basically declared the war on alternative OSs so it seems vista doesn't like: - bootloaders different than the one used by Vista. - Making a non Vista partition active. I did what I used to do with XP: I resized the Windows partition with a liveCD and QTparted, Installed FreeBSD with booteasy.. and surprise... Windows Vista won't run again. I then rescued the Vista installation with the install CD (good thing they included that this time, and not only the preinstalled OS!), and looked on the -net for something called EasyBCD, which looks like it will solve the problem by reconfiguring the Vista bootloader. cheers, Pedro. Their excuse is probably to keep (some of the less intelligent) users out there from booting using their own media or alternate means. M$ really must have something important in their bootloader... -Garrett I have Vista Home edition ruinning any FreeBSD without any problems and without having to do anything special - That is on CURRENT ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. Microsoft basically declared the war on alternative OSs so it seems vista doesn't like: ... Actually, NetBSD can criple FreeBSD MBR too ! Detail http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/hardware/laptops/#netbsd (I tried Net in desperation as FreeBSD-6.2 useless w. 16 bit pcmcia PLIP) (I reported MBR to [EMAIL PROTECTED] got just 1 response, not a solution). So many OS' cripple other OS's MBR - Sigh ! -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com HTML mail unseen. Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
Ivan Voras wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. vista doesn't like: - bootloaders different than the one used by Vista. - Making a non Vista partition active. I can confirm this - messing with the boot sector will make Vista unbootable, but it can be repaired with the installer (of course, you lose FreeBSD at that point). It seems Vista uses registry or some other binary format to store boot info (as opposed to WinXP which uses a text file...) and it protects the boot loader for DRM reasons. This has been SOP at Microsoft for almost a decade. If you want to dual-boot Windows, the solution is to use the established methods for adding additional boot options to the built-in Windows boot-loader. For Vista, this means using the BCDEdit command-line tool to manipulate the Boot Configuration Data in the system registry rather than Notepad to edit boot.ini. BCDEdit and its options are detailed on MSDN: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa468636.aspx A slightly more useful discussion of BCDedit on bsdforums.org: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48405 It specifies Linux, but this is a tutorial for adding a non-Windows boot option to the Vista Boot Manager: http://port25.technet.com/archive/2006/10/13/Using-Vista_2700_s-Boot-Manager-to-Boot-Linux-and-Dual-Booting-with-BitLocker-Protection-with-TPM-Support.aspx -- Darren Pilgrim ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
On Thursday 28 June 2007 11:33:39 Julian H. Stacey wrote: I have Vista Home edition ruinning any FreeBSD without any problems and without having to do anything special - That is on CURRENT ruinning: No such word ruining: Wrecking, destroying running: Working acceptably - I guess you probably mean this ? LOL - Yes the last - ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
--- Thomas Sparrevohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ... I have Vista Home edition ruinning any FreeBSD without any problems and without having to do anything special - That is on CURRENT Hmm... Installation order is important, perhaps you already had FreeBSD before installing Vista? In my case Vista Premium came preinstalled, there was also a FAT partition (with diagnostic stuff) and an NTFS for rescue purposes. Of course getting the new computer without Vista was not really an option :(, but MS went too far this time, they removed postcript type1 font support and they crippled OpenGL enough that major CAD packages don't work easily or have something like 85% performance penalty. Pedro. ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
On Thursday 28 June 2007 14:44:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Thomas Sparrevohn [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ... I have Vista Home edition ruinning any FreeBSD without any problems and without having to do anything special - That is on CURRENT Hmm... Installation order is important, perhaps you already had FreeBSD before installing Vista? In my case Vista Premium came preinstalled, there was also a FAT partition (with diagnostic stuff) and an NTFS for rescue purposes. No - The originally came with XP - I nuked that and installed FreeBSD - However I did nuke the XP totally before upgrading to Vista - It does overwrite the FreeBSD MBR - I just rebooted using a CD and added the mbr again Of course getting the new computer without Vista was not really an option :(, but MS went too far this time, they removed postcript type1 font support and they crippled OpenGL enough that major CAD packages don't work easily or have something like 85% performance penalty. Pedro. ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
Hi; FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. Microsoft basically declared the war on alternative OSs so it seems vista doesn't like: - bootloaders different than the one used by Vista. - Making a non Vista partition active. I did what I used to do with XP: I resized the Windows partition with a liveCD and QTparted, Installed FreeBSD with booteasy.. and surprise... Windows Vista won't run again. I then rescued the Vista installation with the install CD (good thing they included that this time, and not only the preinstalled OS!), and looked on the -net for something called EasyBCD, which looks like it will solve the problem by reconfiguring the Vista bootloader. cheers, Pedro. ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. Microsoft basically declared the war on alternative OSs so it seems vista doesn't like: - bootloaders different than the one used by Vista. - Making a non Vista partition active. I did what I used to do with XP: I resized the Windows partition with a liveCD and QTparted, Installed FreeBSD with booteasy.. and surprise... Windows Vista won't run again. I then rescued the Vista installation with the install CD (good thing they included that this time, and not only the preinstalled OS!), and looked on the -net for something called EasyBCD, which looks like it will solve the problem by reconfiguring the Vista bootloader. cheers, Pedro. Their excuse is probably to keep (some of the less intelligent) users out there from booting using their own media or alternate means. M$ really must have something important in their bootloader... -Garrett ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MS Vista vs FreeBSD's bootloader
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi; FWIW, if you just got your new computer with Windows Vista installed and were hoping to dual boot FreeBSD on it, let me tell you that FreeBSD's bootloader will screw things up. Microsoft basically declared the war on alternative OSs so it seems vista doesn't like: - bootloaders different than the one used by Vista. - Making a non Vista partition active. I can confirm this - messing with the boot sector will make Vista unbootable, but it can be repaired with the installer (of course, you lose FreeBSD at that point). It seems Vista uses registry or some other binary format to store boot info (as opposed to WinXP which uses a text file...) and it protects the boot loader for DRM reasons. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
