Re: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Vermillion
They all laughed on Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 13:32  when Mike Meyer said:
 
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sergey Babkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> > >From: Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > has some
> > >color vision problem.  Mine is a bit more than others.   Everytime
> > >I get called to work on a Linux system, I have to go in and disable
> > >the colors as the reds and other colors become very hard to see
> > >against a dark background.   The problem is the luminance value of
> > >colors such a red is quite low compared to others. 
> > The problem with Linux colors is that they have been
> > designed to be used on the white background which is
> > the xterm's default (and which I hate as it's tough
> > on my eyes). Since I usually use the black background, 
> > I disable them too.
> 
> So where do linux's blasted ls colors come from? It prints some file
> type as green. Green on white is simply bad news, whether or not you
> have vision problems. I always have to go disable them (and some linux
> distros make them *hard* to disable).

I just checked in on one Linux machine I admin - SuSE 9.2 - and the
colors are set with the variable LS_OPTIONS.   

I've set LS_OPTIONS to '-N --color=none -T 0'

And looking at the .bashrc there is also a test for the binary
dircolors, and then looks for user files .dir_colors

I also notice that as shipped the .bashrc has a comment line
that says   If LS_COLROS is set but empty the terminal has no
colors.

It is spelled COLROS not COLORS - but that's just cosmetic and
sloppy.

Bill
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Re: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC

2006-04-19 Thread Bill Vermillion
"Ang utong ko ay sasabog sa sarap!" exclaimed Sergey Babkin
while reading this message on Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 12:18  
and then responded with:

> >From: Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> has some
> >color vision problem.  Mine is a bit more than others.   Everytime
> >I get called to work on a Linux system, I have to go in and disable
> >the colors as the reds and other colors become very hard to see
> >against a dark background.   The problem is the luminance value of
> >colors such a red is quite low compared to others. 

> The problem with Linux colors is that they have been
> designed to be used on the white background which is
> the xterm's default (and which I hate as it's tough
> on my eyes). Since I usually use the black background, 
> I disable them too.

> When I have time and patience to mess around, I set the
> LS_COLORS and such variables to the complementary
> bitmasks of what they've been, and that fixes the
> problem with contrast on the black background.

Well I run in 80x24 text mode almost all the time, and when I need
some graphics/web stuff I hit the KVM and move to an XP machine.

I use vidcontrol to set my screen

/home/bv/.profile:vidcontrol green black
/home/bv/.profile:vidcontrol -b blue
/home/bv/.profile:vidcontrol -c blink

That gives me green on black, with a blue border defining the edge
of the screen.  With my vision it works very well.

I got to something with white on black and I find it too bright
to use, except on dying monitors :-)  [I've had some clients
with really bad server monitors - typically SCO.  On those
I'd set the white to bright white to make them readable]

Bill
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Re: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC

2006-04-19 Thread Mike Meyer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sergey Babkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> typed:
> >From: Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> has some
> >color vision problem.  Mine is a bit more than others.   Everytime
> >I get called to work on a Linux system, I have to go in and disable
> >the colors as the reds and other colors become very hard to see
> >against a dark background.   The problem is the luminance value of
> >colors such a red is quite low compared to others. 
> The problem with Linux colors is that they have been
> designed to be used on the white background which is
> the xterm's default (and which I hate as it's tough
> on my eyes). Since I usually use the black background, 
> I disable them too.

So where do linux's blasted ls colors come from? It prints some file
type as green. Green on white is simply bad news, whether or not you
have vision problems. I always have to go disable them (and some linux
distros make them *hard* to disable).

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Re: Re: [PATCH] Fancy rc startup style RFC

2006-04-19 Thread Sergey Babkin
>From: Bill Vermillion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

has some
>color vision problem.  Mine is a bit more than others.   Everytime
>I get called to work on a Linux system, I have to go in and disable
>the colors as the reds and other colors become very hard to see
>against a dark background.   The problem is the luminance value of
>colors such a red is quite low compared to others. 

The problem with Linux colors is that they have been
designed to be used on the white background which is
the xterm's default (and which I hate as it's tough
on my eyes). Since I usually use the black background, 
I disable them too.

When I have time and patience to mess around, I set the
LS_COLORS and such variables to the complementary
bitmasks of what they've been, and that fixes the
problem with contrast on the black background.

-SB
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