Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Helge Oldach: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tijl Coosemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have an old toshiba which also needs PNPBIOS in 4-STABLE and when I tried 5-CURRENT sound just worked. Of course that doesn't say anything about your setup... PNPBIOS is on by default (and non-optional) in 5.x. That's great, so my peculiar Compaq Deskpro EN scenario should be fine as well. I will try a FreeSBIE boot anyway to verify. Just to confirm: 5.x does recognize this on-board sound card properly (and a lot of other bogus PnP ressources :-)). Thanks to all for your comments! Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Hi, Narvi wrote on Sun, Mar 07, 2004 at 10:00:35PM +0200: [..] And you really want this to be something somebody new to FreeBSD and possibly unix has to go through to get sound working (afetr finding the documentation, of course)??? [..] I'm just saying how it works right now. Obviously a better way would be preferred. Hmm maybe I'll come up with a documentation patch... Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Agartim billiard bumba m'abdul in papejim twista - rumba rock n rolla. Leik'ab mai. Spirzon Heroin se'osit gaula. - - Marijuana esit gaula. Haschisch. Opis. - Daniel Lang * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:03:40PM +0100, Jorn Argelo wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? No, but it is also a reasonable expectation for the OS to autodetect and load support for common hardware - which includes most of the popular soundcards. [ I do not speak for the FreeBSD project. ] Brandon D. Valentine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geekpunk.net Pseudo-Random Googlism: march is great success ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Daniel Lang wrote: Hi, David Raistrick wrote on Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:27:56AM -0800: [..] kldload snd_driver is of course the correct way to do it. FWIW, kldunload snd_driver does /not/ unload all of the modules that kldload snd_driver loads. [..] snd_driver is a module that contains _all_ drivers, thus you have the best chance to get sound working. Unloading it, will of course unload the whole module with all drivers. There is no way to leave one of the drivers in the kernel. I agree, that there is not much documentation which driver module supports which sound device (or I was not successful to dig that up). However, you can determine the correct module, by subsequently loading and unloading each individual driver module. The one which attached to your sound device and actually works (check /dev/sndstat as well) is obviously the correct one. And you really want this to be something somebody new to FreeBSD and possibly unix has to go through to get sound working (afetr finding the documentation, of course)??? Not a very efficient way, but it works. :) Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - kommst du siehst du, gehst du hast du, weisst du, krass! - Daniel Lang * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:58:26 +0100 (MET), Helge Oldach wrote: So yes: some machines require a kernel with PNPBIOS even when sound modules can be kldload'ed. I presume these are typically boxen without knob to disable the PnP BIOS. Still I wonder whether sound on -CURRENT will do on such a box... I have an old toshiba which also needs PNPBIOS in 4-STABLE and when I tried 5-CURRENT sound just worked. Of course that doesn't say anything about your setup... ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 20:08:35 +0100 From: Tijl Coosemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:58:26 +0100 (MET), Helge Oldach wrote: So yes: some machines require a kernel with PNPBIOS even when sound modules can be kldload'ed. I presume these are typically boxen without knob to disable the PnP BIOS. Still I wonder whether sound on -CURRENT will do on such a box... I have an old toshiba which also needs PNPBIOS in 4-STABLE and when I tried 5-CURRENT sound just worked. Of course that doesn't say anything about your setup... That is almost certainly because of ACPI. It handles peripheral devices quite differently from the former mode and, if it works at all on a given system, should eliminate this Plug-n-Play mess when 5 goes STABLE! ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:49:45 -0500 John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 March 2004 04:31 pm, Randy Pratt wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:03:40 +0100 (CET) you wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. I think I've read more than one time about problems fitting the installation on the 1.44M floppies. That's no longer a problem in 5.x. I would like to see pcm(4) added back to GENERIC on 5.x. 4.x has been around long enough that its GENERIC can probably just stay the way it is. That being the case, then there's no reason not to have it in GENERIC in 5.x. Anyone that doesn't want/need it will be recompiling the kernel to remove other unused options. The less new (desktop) users have to do to get up and running is probably a good thing to do. Any concern I had is gone. Best regards, Randy -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dan Langille [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Dan Langille wrote: *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. In the same breath, someone needs to install a spell checker and verify the grammer. ^^^ Ain't that the truth! DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jamie Bowden [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It also presumes the end user has net access, which is not a given. The handbook is installed in /usr/share/doc, though it isn't updated when you build world. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Tijl Coosemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have an old toshiba which also needs PNPBIOS in 4-STABLE and when I tried 5-CURRENT sound just worked. Of course that doesn't say anything about your setup... PNPBIOS is on by default (and non-optional) in 5.x. DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Mar 05, Daniel Lang wrote: Hi, David Raistrick wrote on Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:27:56AM -0800: [..] kldload snd_driver is of course the correct way to do it. FWIW, kldunload snd_driver does /not/ unload all of the modules that kldload snd_driver loads. [..] snd_driver is a module that contains _all_ drivers, thus you have the best chance to get sound working. Unloading it, will of course unload the whole module with all drivers. There is no way to leave one of the drivers in the kernel. I agree, that there is not much documentation which driver module supports which sound device (or I was not successful to dig that up). However, you can determine the correct module, by subsequently loading and unloading each individual driver module. The one which attached to your sound device and actually works (check /dev/sndstat as well) is obviously the correct one. Not a very efficient way, but it works. :) David and Daniel, First let me say that on my 5.x machine, kldunload snd_driver does unload all the modules (and detaches the drivers when applicable). In regards to how hard it is to know which module provides the driver, I've just added to -current the following, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: CMedia CMI8738 at io 0xb800 irq 11 kld snd_cmi (1p/1r/0v channels duplex default) pcm1: Creative EMU10K1 at io 0xb400 irq 5 kld snd_emu10k1 (4p/2r/0v channels duplex) So the installation procedure is, as root. kldload snd_driver for each kld xxx in the output echo xxx_load=\YES\ /boot/loader.conf Does this seem reasonable? --Mat -- In general, a standard is very useful, whether it's de facto or du jour. - Microsoft's Greg Sullivan as misquoted by News.Com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tijl Coosemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have an old toshiba which also needs PNPBIOS in 4-STABLE and when I tried 5-CURRENT sound just worked. Of course that doesn't say anything about your setup... PNPBIOS is on by default (and non-optional) in 5.x. That's great, so my peculiar Compaq Deskpro EN scenario should be fine as well. I will try a FreeSBIE boot anyway to verify. BTW, why not make PNPBIOS on by default in 4-STABLE? Is this a danger of breaking things, aka POLA violation against prepare for 5.x upgrade case? Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mathew Kanner: I would like to note that kldload'ing the sound modules works very well and I would prefer that to be standard operating procedure for sound. The issue with kldloading is that you still need PNPBIOS for many on-board sound devices. Which means that you need to compile your own kernel anyway, or don´t you? Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:06, Helge Oldach wrote: The issue with kldloading is that you still need PNPBIOS for many on-board sound devices. Which means that you need to compile your own kernel anyway, or don´t you? I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard/BIOS where you HAD to compile it in the kernel.. I don't see why kldload'ing is different to static compilation WRT calling the BIOS.. (Then again I don't have any ISA hardware anymore :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On 3/4/2004, Brandon D. Valentine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:03:40PM +0100, Jorn Argelo wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? I guess that that is the main problem. Some newbies don't read any documentation at all. They think that installing and configuring FreeBSD is as easy as Bill's software is ... Anyway, I was merely suggesting something, but if the list disagrees with me, then it's alright with me. Thanks for all the responses though, it gave me some insight. Cheers, Jorn. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Daniel O'Connor: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:06, Helge Oldach wrote: The issue with kldloading is that you still need PNPBIOS for many on-board sound devices. Which means that you need to compile your own kernel anyway, or don´t you? I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard/BIOS where you HAD to compile it in the kernel.. I have a number of Compaq DeskPro EN K450 here. Rather decent machines for FreeBSD desktops, and for sure not uncommon hardware. But unfortunately the stupid Compaq BIOS doesn't have a knob to turn off PnP, so I have to rely on PNPBIOS to deal with what the Compaq BIOS had detected. With PNPBIOS: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: ESS 1869 DSP at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:0 bufsz 4096 (1p/1r/0v channels duplex) Without PNPBIOS: no pcm0. Latest BIOS revision, of course. I don't see why kldload'ing is different to static compilation WRT calling the BIOS.. It's not. But without PNPBIOS either won't work on these boxes. Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: Daniel O'Connor: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:06, Helge Oldach wrote: The issue with kldloading is that you still need PNPBIOS for many on-board sound devices. Which means that you need to compile your own kernel anyway, or don?t you? I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard/BIOS where you HAD to compile it in the kernel.. I have a number of Compaq DeskPro EN K450 here. Rather decent machines for FreeBSD desktops, and for sure not uncommon hardware. But unfortunately the stupid Compaq BIOS doesn't have a knob to turn off PnP, so I have to rely on PNPBIOS to deal with what the Compaq BIOS had detected. Helge, Are you required to compile sound in the kernel to get it to work? If so, then I will document the fact that in some unsual circumstances that including sound statcily in the kernel is needed, otherwise I intend to de-emphesize it. --Mat --Mat -- The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. - June Callwood ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:38, Helge Oldach wrote: I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard/BIOS where you HAD to compile it in the kernel.. I have a number of Compaq DeskPro EN K450 here. Rather decent machines for FreeBSD desktops, and for sure not uncommon hardware. But unfortunately the stupid Compaq BIOS doesn't have a knob to turn off PnP, so I have to rely on PNPBIOS to deal with what the Compaq BIOS had detected. With PNPBIOS: FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: ESS 1869 DSP at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1:0 bufsz 4096 (1p/1r/0v channels duplex) Without PNPBIOS: no pcm0. Ahh, I see.. Sorry I didn't realise you meant the PNPBIOS in the kernel.. duh :) -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from. -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Mathew Kanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you required to compile sound in the kernel to get it to work? No, he is required to compile a kernel with the PNPBIOS option (which is not in GENERIC). DES -- Dag-Erling Smørgrav - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Mathew Kanner: On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: Daniel O'Connor: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 19:06, Helge Oldach wrote: The issue with kldloading is that you still need PNPBIOS for many on-board sound devices. Which means that you need to compile your own kernel anyway, or don?t you? I don't think I've ever seen a motherboard/BIOS where you HAD to compile it in the kernel.. I have a number of Compaq DeskPro EN K450 here. Rather decent machines for FreeBSD desktops, and for sure not uncommon hardware. But unfortunately the stupid Compaq BIOS doesn't have a knob to turn off PnP, so I have to rely on PNPBIOS to deal with what the Compaq BIOS had detected. Are you required to compile sound in the kernel to get it to work? Yes, that is exactly correct. I am sorry, I just wasn't clear enough with my wording. To be safe, I just tested it: case a) options PNPBIOS and device pcm in the kernel config = works case b) options PNPBIOS in the kernel config and kldload snd_pcm = pcm isn't recognized, but the other PnP devices show up during probe case c) *no* options PNPBIOS but kldload snd_pcm = neither pcm nor other PnP devices are recognized Did I forget one variation? :-) If so, then I will document the fact that in some unsual circumstances that including sound statcily in the kernel is needed, otherwise I intend to de-emphesize it. I suppose the former is adequate. What strikes me is case b). It seems a kldload'ed module cannot recognize its devices when they were probed and attached by the PnP BIOS. Does that sound reasonable? This is 4.9-STABLE of some few days ago (right after the TCP re-assembly queue fix). How will it work with -CURRENT which doesn't have a PNPBIOS option? Can I use sound at all? Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Helge Oldach wrote: case b) options PNPBIOS in the kernel config and kldload snd_pcm = pcm isn't recognized, but the other PnP devices show up during probe case c) *no* options PNPBIOS but kldload snd_pcm = neither pcm nor other PnP devices are recognized Did I forget one variation? :-) Have you tried kldload snd_driver instead of snd_pcm? This should load all modules, instead of just the pcm module. Unless you're certian that snd_pcm is the correct module for support for your sound card? kldload'ing snd_pcm never did enough to make sound work on my systems, I always needed to load snd_driver. --- david raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Helge Oldach wrote: This is 4.9-STABLE of some few days ago (right after the TCP re-assembly queue fix). How will it work with -CURRENT which doesn't have a PNPBIOS option? Can I use sound at all? Ahh, I was refering to 5.x. I've never tried to kldload any pcm drivers in -STABLE. --- david raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[...Just noticed that we are posting to multiple groups. Sorry everyone, though I not ready to drop them...] On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: Mathew Kanner: On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: Yes, that is exactly correct. I am sorry, I just wasn't clear enough with my wording. To be safe, I just tested it: case a) options PNPBIOS and device pcm in the kernel config = works case b) options PNPBIOS in the kernel config and kldload snd_pcm = pcm isn't recognized, but the other PnP devices show up during probe case c) *no* options PNPBIOS but kldload snd_pcm = neither pcm nor other PnP devices are recognized Did I forget one variation? :-) Helge, kldloading snd_pcm isn't enough. You need to load the driver for your particular card (the module dependacies should load snd_pcm for you). I think you are going to have to retry your tests. --Mat -- We peer so suspiciously at each other that we cannot see that we Canadians are standing on the mountaintop of human wealth, freedom and privilege. - Pierre Elliott Trudeau ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? pcm(4) only explains the technical details, as well as partially covering the reboot-to-make-it-work scenario. It doesn't cover the kdlload scenario to bring sound online without rebooting. If pcm(4) or the handbook, or something, would give a more end-user oriented (for those who are new to 5.x or new to freebsd entirely) approach, this would be very helpful. pcm(4) also provides no detail on how to determine what foo should be for your soundcard. snd_foo_load (``NO'') If set to ``YES'', load driver for card/chipset foo. For example, I have an ALC650 soundcard in my XPC. Where do I look to find out what snd_foo_load I need to enable the sound? I've still not found this information. I use snd_driver_load=YES which loads /all/ of the pcm drivers, but I cannot tell from kldstat which driver I'm actually using, so I could avoid loading the others. Providing detail on how to kldload snd_driver_load or snd_foo_load would be nice, so users can test this without rebooting their systems. kldload snd_driver is of course the correct way to do it. FWIW, kldunload snd_driver does /not/ unload all of the modules that kldload snd_driver loads. All of this of course assumes that the modules are even built and installed in /boot/kernel/ which may or may not be the case (in my experiance) with a fresh installation. You may need to make install these... ~shrug~ ...david --- david raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Mathew Kanner: On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: Mathew Kanner: On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: case b) options PNPBIOS in the kernel config and kldload snd_pcm = pcm isn't recognized, but the other PnP devices show up during probe kldloading snd_pcm isn't enough. You need to load the driver for your particular card (the module dependacies should load snd_pcm for you). I think you are going to have to retry your tests. Bingo! kldload snd_ess does in fact also load snd_sbc and snd_pcm, and it all works. Apologies, I was mislead by the fact that in the kernel just has options pcm without any further fuzz. So yes: some machines require a kernel with PNPBIOS even when sound modules can be kldload'ed. I presume these are typically boxen without knob to disable the PnP BIOS. Still I wonder whether sound on -CURRENT will do on such a box... Thanks all for sharing! Helge ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, David Raistrick wrote on Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 08:27:56AM -0800: [..] kldload snd_driver is of course the correct way to do it. FWIW, kldunload snd_driver does /not/ unload all of the modules that kldload snd_driver loads. [..] snd_driver is a module that contains _all_ drivers, thus you have the best chance to get sound working. Unloading it, will of course unload the whole module with all drivers. There is no way to leave one of the drivers in the kernel. I agree, that there is not much documentation which driver module supports which sound device (or I was not successful to dig that up). However, you can determine the correct module, by subsequently loading and unloading each individual driver module. The one which attached to your sound device and actually works (check /dev/sndstat as well) is obviously the correct one. Not a very efficient way, but it works. :) Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - kommst du siehst du, gehst du hast du, weisst du, krass! - Daniel Lang * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * +49 89 289 18532 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
[ Whoa, Nelly. Cc: trimmed. ] On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 05:33:47PM +0100, Helge Oldach wrote: This is 4.9-STABLE of some few days ago (right after the TCP re-assembly queue fix). How will it work with -CURRENT which doesn't have a PNPBIOS option? Can I use sound at all? If you wish to test this you might burn and boot a FreeSBIE LiveCD, which is based on FreeBSD 5.2.1. This should tell you whether ACPI in the 5.x kernel handles your BIOS quirk. HTH, Brandon D. Valentine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geekpunk.net Pseudo-Random Googlism: spring is in the air whether he's pausing for an outdoor lunch or enjoying a bounce ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Mar 05, Helge Oldach wrote: [..snip..] Bingo! kldload snd_ess does in fact also load snd_sbc and snd_pcm, and it all works. Apologies, I was mislead by the fact that in the kernel just has options pcm without any further fuzz. Yes, this is a confusing aspect. It should be a little better soon. --Mat -- The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. - Pierre Elliott Trudeau ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 04:31 pm, Randy Pratt wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:03:40 +0100 (CET) you wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. I think I've read more than one time about problems fitting the installation on the 1.44M floppies. That's no longer a problem in 5.x. I would like to see pcm(4) added back to GENERIC on 5.x. 4.x has been around long enough that its GENERIC can probably just stay the way it is. -- John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ Power Users Use the Power to Serve = http://www.FreeBSD.org ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:26:47PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? They would first have to know to read man pcm(4). All the have to do is look at the handbook. And if they can't find the link on the *front page* of freebsd.org, under the clearly labelled catagory of Support, then there is very little we can or should do to help them. After a point, enough is enough. If the user isn't prepared to educate themselves, your attempts will ultimately fail. -- Avleen Vig Systems Administrator Personal: www.silverwraith.com EFnet:irc.mindspring.com (Earthlink user access only) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Avleen Vig wrote: On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:26:47PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? They would first have to know to read man pcm(4). All the have to do is look at the handbook. And if they can't find the link on the *front page* of freebsd.org, under the clearly labelled catagory of Support, then there is very little we can or should do to help them. After a point, enough is enough. If the user isn't prepared to educate themselves, your attempts will ultimately fail. *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. -- Dan Langille - BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Dan Langille wrote: *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. In the same breath, someone needs to install a spell checker and verify the grammer. -- Dan Langille - BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:58:52PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: All the have to do is look at the handbook. And if they can't find the link on the *front page* of freebsd.org, under the clearly labelled catagory of Support, then there is very little we can or should do to help them. After a point, enough is enough. If the user isn't prepared to educate themselves, your attempts will ultimately fail. *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. Maybe if I say this here, having it in the archives will help *SOMEONE* at *SOME* point in the future :-) 95% of the questions I see asked about FreeBSD can be answered by reading the Handbook (http://freebsd.org/handbook/) Everyone newbie with a problem should first go there. Hell I'm not even a newbie (haven't been for almost 7 years) but I still go there. -- Avleen Vig Systems Administrator Personal: www.silverwraith.com EFnet:irc.mindspring.com (Earthlink user access only) ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Dan Langille wrote: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Avleen Vig wrote: All the have to do is look at the handbook. And if they can't find the link on the *front page* of freebsd.org, under the clearly labelled catagory of Support, then there is very little we can or should do to help them. After a point, enough is enough. If the user isn't prepared to educate themselves, your attempts will ultimately fail. *That* explanation is vast difference to saying they have to read man pcm(4). The difference is sigficicant. It also presumes the end user has net access, which is not a given. Jamie Bowden -- It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold Hunter S Tolkien Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur Iain Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:03:40 +0100 (CET) you wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. I think I've read more than one time about problems fitting the installation on the 1.44M floppies. Definitely a bikeshed discussion but adding to the documentation regarding kldload or a knob in sysinstall to turn on all sound modules is preferable to adding to the kernel. Best regards, Randy ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Randy Pratt wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:03:40 +0100 (CET) you wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. I think I've read more than one time about problems fitting the installation on the 1.44M floppies. Definitely a bikeshed discussion but adding to the documentation regarding kldload or a knob in sysinstall to turn on all sound modules is preferable to adding to the kernel. Actually, pcm was in GENERIC for a while, but was removed because it caused hangs on boot with a common line of Dell Latitude notebooks at the time. The problem is likely now fixed, and I'd certainly not object to it being in GENERIC as long as there are no similar widespread issues now. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
Robert Watson wrote: [pcm in GENERIC] Actually, pcm was in GENERIC for a while, but was removed because it caused hangs on boot with a common line of Dell Latitude notebooks at the time. The problem is likely now fixed, and I'd certainly not object to it being in GENERIC as long as there are no similar widespread issues now. Isn't there also an issue with some of the sound code being GPL'd (the stuff in sys/gnu/dev/sound/pci, ie the emu10k1 and maestro stuff)? If this goes into a GENERIC kernel that's redistributed, the whole kernel has to be distributed under the GPL. Rahul ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Mar 04, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Randy Pratt wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:03:40 +0100 (CET) you wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. I think I've read more than one time about problems fitting the installation on the 1.44M floppies. Definitely a bikeshed discussion but adding to the documentation regarding kldload or a knob in sysinstall to turn on all sound modules is preferable to adding to the kernel. Actually, pcm was in GENERIC for a while, but was removed because it caused hangs on boot with a common line of Dell Latitude notebooks at the time. The problem is likely now fixed, and I'd certainly not object to it being in GENERIC as long as there are no similar widespread issues now. Hello All, I would like to note that kldload'ing the sound modules works very well and I would prefer that to be standard operating procedure for sound. I have a patch for the PCM man page that includes this tid-bit. --Mat -- In general, a standard is very useful, whether it's de facto or du jour. - Microsoft's Greg Sullivan as misquoted by News.Com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:03:40PM +0100, Jorn Argelo wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? [ I do not speak for the FreeBSD project. ] Brandon D. Valentine -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geekpunk.net Pseudo-Random Googlism: march is great success ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Standard sbc and pcm support in GENERIC kernel?
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Brandon D. Valentine wrote: On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 05:03:40PM +0100, Jorn Argelo wrote: I've been on the question list for some time, and I have noticed that many people do not know how to get sound support up and running in FreeBSD 5.X. I know that re-compiling the kernel is easy enough, but there are still people not willing to do so, as I have noticed on the list. Therefor I thought it might be an idea to put sound support in the GENERIC kernel configuration, so that newbies will no longer find themselves stuck with that. If they'd read pcm(4) they'd know how to get sound support up and running without recompiling their kernel. Is there something wrong with requiring that a new user bother to read the documentation? They would first have to know to read man pcm(4). -- Dan Langille - BSDCan: http://www.bsdcan.org/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
