Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Nate Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an out-of-the-box configuration. I remap many of the keybindings, as well as have it setup to deal with procmail filtered email, which works very well. I can only second Nate: I use procmail to filter all incoming mail in seperate folders (mailinglists, admin-mails, ...), use SpamBouncer (procmail script; http://www-new.hrweb.org/spambouncer/) to filter out spam and Emacs/VM to read my mails. Together, these tools do a _very_ good job in organizing my mails. This approach at least halved the time I need to wade through mails every day. Regarding configurability: If SpamBouncer doesn't get all spam, a simple "Z" in VM will mail all postmasters/abuse-accounts on the mailpath, informing them about abuse. You can do this and essentially every other task by using the provided 'hooks'. Ok, it takes a bit of lisp programming ... Another benefit of this approach is, that I can process mails further, without leaving Emacs. Say, if someone mailed me sourcecode, I can edit it, compile, run and delete it - all in Emacs. :-) But then, I'm an Emacs addict (typing this in GNUS, the Emacs newsreader). :-) -Walter [knowing that he's starting a holy war!] -- Dr. Walter Hafner Tel: 089/289-28187 WWW-Beauftragter, TU Muenchen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.tum.de/~hafner/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. I have looked at (and disliked in one way or another) xfmail, tkrat, kmail, balsa, netscape mail, M (Mahogany), Empath (looks promising, unfortunately vapourware at this time), Postillion (nextstep clone of tkrat), "Ultimate mail tool" I have only briefly looked at the various emacs mail options. -- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]WWW Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as [EMAIL PROTECTED] So I have e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For each of those addresses I create .qmail-listname files that sort it in different mailboxes: .qmail-freebsd-hackers: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/hackers/ .qmail-freebsd-net: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/net/ .qmail-freebsd-scsi: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/scsi/ 3. thread topic support The best threading mail reader that I've come across is mutt, but that might be too traditional for your option 1. I think mutt works really great with qmail. With the above I have in my .muttrc mailboxes /home/maex/Maildir/incoming \ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/hackers\ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/net\ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/scsi \ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/stable # freebsd-scsi folder-hook lists/freebsd/scsi \ 'my_hdr From: "Markus Stumpf" [EMAIL PROTECTED]' save-hook ~hmaex-lists-freebsd-scsi =lists-archives/freebsd/scsi I have switched from ELM to mutt and qmail and with the above setup I have noticed that the time I need for reading my emails dramatically decreased. I have also a .qmail-default file which controls all addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] that do not have explicit controls files. If I HAVE to use an email address somewhere out in the web e.g., I use addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I ever get spam via those addresses I can identify where they got the address from and block/bounce/discard it via an appropriate control file. \Maex -- SpaceNet GmbH | http://www.Space.Net/ | Yeah, yo mama dresses Research Development| mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | you funny and you need Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0| a mouse to delete files D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using XEmacs 19.16, from the dark ages...) Mime handling works, but is clumsy, and HTML is almost non-existent. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
If memory serves me right, Marc van Kempen wrote: Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people ca n talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. I weigh in with the exmh crowd. We've been hoping to cut a 2.1.0 release Real Soon Now for most of the (Northern Hemisphere) summer, I think we'll get there Real Soon Now. 2.1.0 will have better PGP and GPG support, among other things. I fear it may be starting to suffer from feeping creaturitis. I've actually been pretty happy with the way that exmh deals with MIME and HTML, so I'd be interested to hear what you think needs improvement (maybe by private email if you don't want to clog the list any more than it is already). (For the record, the other mailers I've used before exmh were /usr/bin/mail and VM.) Bruce. PGP signature
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, that's arguably the way qmail wants it to be, but not helpful if you want your mailing list traffic to come through the one ISP-provided pop account. (Costs less that way, with my current ISP.) -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
In the last episode (Sep 10), Andrew Reilly said: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even "easier" :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, that's arguably the way qmail wants it to be, but not helpful if you want your mailing list traffic to come through the one ISP-provided pop account. (Costs less that way, with my current ISP.) If your ISP runs sendmail (possibly other MTAs), you can use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] syntax. All mail is sent to the "user" mailbox, but filters like procmail see the "detail" portion too, and can filter on it. -- Dan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi! On 09-Sep-99 Andrew Reilly wrote: XFMail isn't acceptable, because I've got 130M of mbox mail boxes in a deep directory hierarchy, and I'd like to keep them that way. The last time I looked at XFMail it insisted on an un-nested mh-directory style of mailbox. Is it still the case? Nope (at least in version 1.3). Also support of regular unix mailboxes is less efficient than that of mh. Unfortunately (due to the lack of time mostly) i had to stop working on XFMail. Hope to get back to it someday. Best regards. Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: Gennady Sorokopud g...@netvision.net.il PGP public key is available through PGP keyserver. This message was sent at 09-Sep-99 08:49:56 by XFMail To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Nate Williams n...@mt.sri.com writes: Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an out-of-the-box configuration. I remap many of the keybindings, as well as have it setup to deal with procmail filtered email, which works very well. I can only second Nate: I use procmail to filter all incoming mail in seperate folders (mailinglists, admin-mails, ...), use SpamBouncer (procmail script; http://www-new.hrweb.org/spambouncer/) to filter out spam and Emacs/VM to read my mails. Together, these tools do a _very_ good job in organizing my mails. This approach at least halved the time I need to wade through mails every day. Regarding configurability: If SpamBouncer doesn't get all spam, a simple Z in VM will mail all postmasters/abuse-accounts on the mailpath, informing them about abuse. You can do this and essentially every other task by using the provided 'hooks'. Ok, it takes a bit of lisp programming ... Another benefit of this approach is, that I can process mails further, without leaving Emacs. Say, if someone mailed me sourcecode, I can edit it, compile, run and delete it - all in Emacs. :-) But then, I'm an Emacs addict (typing this in GNUS, the Emacs newsreader). :-) -Walter [knowing that he's starting a holy war!] -- Dr. Walter Hafner Tel: 089/289-28187 WWW-Beauftragter, TU Muenchen Email: haf...@in.tum.de WWW: http://www.tum.de/~hafner/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. I have looked at (and disliked in one way or another) xfmail, tkrat, kmail, balsa, netscape mail, M (Mahogany), Empath (looks promising, unfortunately vapourware at this time), Postillion (nextstep clone of tkrat), Ultimate mail tool I have only briefly looked at the various emacs mail options. -- Marc van Kempen BowTie Technology Email: m...@bowtie.nlWWW Databases tel. +31 40 2 43 20 65 fax. +31 40 2 44 21 86 http://www.bowtie.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. It's even easier :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as maex-listn...@space.net So I have e.g. maex-freebsd-hack...@space.net maex-freebsd-...@space.net maex-freebsd-s...@space.net For each of those addresses I create .qmail-listname files that sort it in different mailboxes: .qmail-freebsd-hackers: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/hackers/ .qmail-freebsd-net: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/net/ .qmail-freebsd-scsi: ./Maildir/lists/freebsd/scsi/ 3. thread topic support The best threading mail reader that I've come across is mutt, but that might be too traditional for your option 1. I think mutt works really great with qmail. With the above I have in my .muttrc mailboxes /home/maex/Maildir/incoming \ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/hackers\ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/net\ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/scsi \ /home/maex/Maildir/lists/freebsd/stable # freebsd-scsi folder-hook lists/freebsd/scsi \ 'my_hdr From: Markus Stumpf maex-lists-freebsd-s...@space.net' save-hook ~hmaex-lists-freebsd-scsi =lists-archives/freebsd/scsi I have switched from ELM to mutt and qmail and with the above setup I have noticed that the time I need for reading my emails dramatically decreased. I have also a .qmail-default file which controls all addresses like maex-anyth...@space.net that do not have explicit controls files. If I HAVE to use an email address somewhere out in the web e.g., I use addresses like maex-net-access-...@space.net If I ever get spam via those addresses I can identify where they got the address from and block/bounce/discard it via an appropriate control file. \Maex -- SpaceNet GmbH | http://www.Space.Net/ | Yeah, yo mama dresses Research Development| mailto:maex-...@space.net | you funny and you need Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 | Tel: +49 (89) 32356-0| a mouse to delete files D-80807 Muenchen | Fax: +49 (89) 32356-299 | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote:
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote:
Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA,
I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's
really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER
block.
It's even easier :-)
[cut long explanations]
My .procmailrc-entry:
:0:
* ^Sender:.owner-freebsd-\/[...@]+@FreeBSD.ORG
{
LISTNAME=${MATCH}
:0
* LISTNAME??^\/[...@]+
FreeBSD-lists/${MATCH}
}
My .muttrc-entry:
mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/FreeBSD-lists/*`
(at least that's the part for the FreeBSD lists, that line in my
.muttrc of course contains my other mailfolders as well).
Yours has the great advantage of being able to see from where
your email-address got leaked to a spammer etc., mine doesn't do
that :).
bye,
Harold
--
Shabby Sleep is an abstinence syndrome wich occurs due to lack of caffein.
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Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. VM doesn't do HTML/MIME very well, although I understand in later versions of XEmacs they've incorporated some packages that handle things better. (I'm still using XEmacs 19.16, from the dark ages...) Mime handling works, but is clumsy, and HTML is almost non-existent. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
If memory serves me right, Marc van Kempen wrote: Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people ca n talk about usability and ease of software. Just to toss in my 0.02 cents, I've been using exmh for a while and am on one hand very satisfied with it, on the other hand it's handling of mime and html is not good, so I'd be very interested in discussing this topic too. I weigh in with the exmh crowd. We've been hoping to cut a 2.1.0 release Real Soon Now for most of the (Northern Hemisphere) summer, I think we'll get there Real Soon Now. 2.1.0 will have better PGP and GPG support, among other things. I fear it may be starting to suffer from feeping creaturitis. I've actually been pretty happy with the way that exmh deals with MIME and HTML, so I'd be interested to hear what you think needs improvement (maybe by private email if you don't want to clog the list any more than it is already). (For the record, the other mailers I've used before exmh were /usr/bin/mail and VM.) Bruce. pgprgCtL3BzK0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even easier :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as maex-listn...@space.net Well, that's arguably the way qmail wants it to be, but not helpful if you want your mailing list traffic to come through the one ISP-provided pop account. (Costs less that way, with my current ISP.) -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
In the last episode (Sep 10), Andrew Reilly said: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:09PM +0200, Markus Stumpf wrote: On Thu, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:08:01PM +1000, Andrew Reilly wrote: really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER It's even easier :-) I subscribe new mailing lists (and resubscribed old ones) as maex-listn...@space.net Well, that's arguably the way qmail wants it to be, but not helpful if you want your mailing list traffic to come through the one ISP-provided pop account. (Costs less that way, with my current ISP.) If your ISP runs sendmail (possibly other MTAs), you can use the user+det...@host.com syntax. All mail is sent to the user mailbox, but filters like procmail see the detail portion too, and can filter on it. -- Dan Nelson dnel...@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 05:43:17PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: 3. Needlessly cross-posted (watch your cc lines, loser! :). On a different topic, does anyone know of a good X mailer (currently I am using exmh) : There aren't any. :-) (depends on your value of "good") 1. user friendly 2. filtering capability I've decided that threading isn't the mailer's job. I don't want to have to wade through a mailbox full of lists when I'm connecting from off site, and have shut down my on-site mailer. Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. 3. thread topic support The best threading mail reader that I've come across is mutt, but that might be too traditional for your option 1. If you find a pretty, lightweight X-based MUA that does a good job with threads (and MIME, and PGP), I'd like to know about it too. XFMail isn't acceptable, because I've got 130M of mbox mail boxes in a deep directory hierarchy, and I'd like to keep them that way. The last time I looked at XFMail it insisted on an un-nested mh-directory style of mailbox. Is it still the case? Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an out-of-the-box configuration. I remap many of the keybindings, as well as have it setup to deal with procmail filtered email, which works very well. For more information, talk to me offline. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Have Fun Guys -- Amancio Hasty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
RE: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi! On 09-Sep-99 Andrew Reilly wrote: XFMail isn't acceptable, because I've got 130M of mbox mail boxes in a deep directory hierarchy, and I'd like to keep them that way. The last time I looked at XFMail it insisted on an un-nested mh-directory style of mailbox. Is it still the case? Nope (at least in version 1.3). Also support of regular unix mailboxes is less efficient than that of mh. Unfortunately (due to the lack of time mostly) i had to stop working on XFMail. Hope to get back to it someday. Best regards. Gennady B. Sorokopud - System programmer at NetVision Israel. E-Mail: Gennady Sorokopud [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP public key is available through PGP keyserver. This message was sent at 09-Sep-99 08:49:56 by XFMail To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message
X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
On Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 05:43:17PM -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: 3. Needlessly cross-posted (watch your cc lines, loser! :). On a different topic, does anyone know of a good X mailer (currently I am using exmh) : There aren't any. :-) (depends on your value of good) 1. user friendly 2. filtering capability I've decided that threading isn't the mailer's job. I don't want to have to wade through a mailbox full of lists when I'm connecting from off site, and have shut down my on-site mailer. Lots of folk use procmail, but since I'm using qmail as an MTA, I thought I'd see if I could use it's native methods, and it's really easy, with a shell script that's just a case $SENDER block. 3. thread topic support The best threading mail reader that I've come across is mutt, but that might be too traditional for your option 1. If you find a pretty, lightweight X-based MUA that does a good job with threads (and MIME, and PGP), I'd like to know about it too. XFMail isn't acceptable, because I've got 130M of mbox mail boxes in a deep directory hierarchy, and I'd like to keep them that way. The last time I looked at XFMail it insisted on an un-nested mh-directory style of mailbox. Is it still the case? Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? -- Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Nate: it's a while since I looked at VM on XEmacs. I found its layout cluttered and it's key sequences awkward. How configurable is it, really? Do you use it as it comes out of the box? Really configurable, and no, I don't use it in an out-of-the-box configuration. I remap many of the keybindings, as well as have it setup to deal with procmail filtered email, which works very well. For more information, talk to me offline. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
Re: X mailers (was Re: ANNOUNCE: Linux ABI/SDK standards for OpenGL/Mesa)
Hi Nate, Somewhere , theres got to be a nice little email place where Unix people can talk about usability and ease of software. Have Fun Guys -- Amancio Hasty ha...@rah.star-gate.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-hackers in the body of the message
