Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Chris Rees
On 27 Feb 2012 22:53, "Doug Barton"  wrote:
>
> On 2/27/2012 12:04 PM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> > 2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
> >> On 2/27/2012 11:53 AM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> >>> What about a command line flag to ignore errors during backup package
> >>> creation?
> >>
> >> What about ... no. :)
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, portmaster is a great tool, reliable, and I'm
> > using it nearly daily.
> >
> > But why not, if there's a reason ? "potential foot shooting" ?
>
> It's a general philosophy thing that is common to mergemaster and
> portmaster. I feel *incredibly* strongly that it's important for key
> system management tools to *not* make unsafe assumptions. I (and by
> extension the tools that I write) have no way to know what changes are
> mission-critical to a given user. Therefore, I have *no business*
> merrily blowing stuff away that the user may have been depending on.
>
> In the particular case of creating backup packages, with or without the
> -b option, the default assumption is that those packages are being
> *relied* on by the user to roll back an update in case of catastrophe.
> For users that don't care about what happens with the backup packages
> there is already a command line option to disable creation of them. My
> assumption is that if the user is not using the option to disable them
> altogether that the backup packages must have value. (Also, a
> meta-issue, if the ports developers are doing their jobs then backup
> package creation failure should be an incredibly rare occurrence.)

+1

You could always email the maintainer with the OPTIONS you've used if you
get this error; it'll then get fixed!

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Mel Flynn
On 2/27/2012 11:18, Olivier Smedts wrote:

> Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
> backup package if there was a plist problem, and it will be really
> fine.

It's much easier to not use the feature and use -g as there's a greater
chance that the package created during a successful installation will
work for restoring purposes. Also, plist problems of past revisions are
not interesting, but plist problems of up-to-date packages should
generate PR's.

All in all, the backup feature is only useful as convenience for when an
install fails, but in my experience generates more noise then you're saving.

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/27/2012 12:04 PM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> 2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
>> On 2/27/2012 11:53 AM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>>> What about a command line flag to ignore errors during backup package
>>> creation?
>>
>> What about ... no. :)
> 
> Don't get me wrong, portmaster is a great tool, reliable, and I'm
> using it nearly daily.
> 
> But why not, if there's a reason ? "potential foot shooting" ?

It's a general philosophy thing that is common to mergemaster and
portmaster. I feel *incredibly* strongly that it's important for key
system management tools to *not* make unsafe assumptions. I (and by
extension the tools that I write) have no way to know what changes are
mission-critical to a given user. Therefore, I have *no business*
merrily blowing stuff away that the user may have been depending on.

In the particular case of creating backup packages, with or without the
-b option, the default assumption is that those packages are being
*relied* on by the user to roll back an update in case of catastrophe.
For users that don't care about what happens with the backup packages
there is already a command line option to disable creation of them. My
assumption is that if the user is not using the option to disable them
altogether that the backup packages must have value. (Also, a
meta-issue, if the ports developers are doing their jobs then backup
package creation failure should be an incredibly rare occurrence.)

OTOH, I got many requests from users to add a knob to bypass the warning
about failed package creation. Personally, I don't like this knob, and
would never use it. But in order to please the user base I added the
feature, but included it as an "expert" option that requires
configuration in an rc file.

Frequently the next response to this line of reasoning is to insist that
we're all grownups, and foot-shooting options should not be disallowed
by policy. Well, fine. :)  Go enable that option and blow off all the
toes you want. My point is that the kinds of people who want a knob like
that (expert users, frequent updaters, etc., and, not to hurt your
feelings, but you're a very small percentage of the userbase) are
precisely the same target audience that ought to be able to read the man
page and configure expert options.


hth,

Doug (bet you wondered how I was gonna work that in, didncha)

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Re: www/firefox and mail/thunderbird localization

2012-02-27 Thread Beat Gätzi
On Feb 20, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Has anything changed recently regarding Firefox and Thunderbird
> localization / global extensions ?
> 
> Since Firefox 10.0 I don't have localized menus anymore.
> % ls /var/db/pkg/ | grep firefox
> firefox-10.0.1,1
> firefox-i18n-10.0.1
> % grep 'WITH_' /var/db/ports/firefox-i18n/options
> WITH_LANG_FR=true
> % grep 'general.useragent.locale' ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/prefs.js
> user_pref("general.useragent.locale", "fr-FR");
> 
> But Firefox still has english menus. It has been working since Firefox
> 3 through Firefox 9, and the localization stopped working with Firefox
> 10.0. It did not come back with Firefox 10.0.1. The same thing applies
> for Thunderbird 10. I also tried with the switcher extension, no luck.
> Tried with a new profile, with different values (like "fr" only) for
> general.useragent.locale, with 'firefox -UILocale "fr-FR"' or 'firefox
> -UILocale "fr"'... nothing made it. I found no xpi, they seem to be
> extracted.
> 
> % find /usr/local/ -name \*.xpi | wc -l
>   0
> % ll /usr/local/lib/xpi/
> total 1
> drwxr-xr-x   3 root  wheel   5 14 fév 12:37 langpack...@firefox.mozilla.org
> drwxr-xr-x   3 root  wheel   5 14 fév 12:38 
> langpack...@thunderbird.mozilla.org
> drwxr-xr-x   7 root  wheel  11 14 fév 12:17 lightn...@thunderbird.mozilla.org
> drwxr-xr-x  12 root  wheel  12 14 fév 12:38 symlinks
> 
> Any advice ?

I had some time to take a look at it. When extracting the content of the
xpi into the corresponding directory in /usr/local/lib/xpi/ the langpacks
are working again. In the past we created a jar file out of the locale
directory because the content differs between each langpack and it was a
very time-consuming task to update all the langpacks:
${LOCALBASE}/bin/zip -r ../$$lang.jar locale; \

Unfortunately it looks like this does no longer work…

Currently I'm looking for a solution to extract the xpi as it is and
dynamically generating the plist in the ports Makefile.

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Please set a real message for 20120220 in UPDATING

2012-02-27 Thread David Demelier

Hello,

[quote]

  libungif is obsolete, please deinstall it and rebuild all ports using
  it with graphics/giflib.

[/quote]

This is not easy for people who don't know how to reinstall a port with 
a new origin, and more difficult when a shared library bump in the same 
time, please append something like that:


# portmaster -o graphics/giflib graphics/libungif
# portmaster -r giflib

or

# portupgrade -o graphics/giflib graphics/libungif
# portupgrade -rf giflib

Thanks :)

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
> On 2/27/2012 11:53 AM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>> What about a command line flag to ignore errors during backup package
>> creation?
>
> What about ... no. :)

Don't get me wrong, portmaster is a great tool, reliable, and I'm
using it nearly daily.

But why not, if there's a reason ? "potential foot shooting" ?

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/27/2012 11:53 AM, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> What about a command line flag to ignore errors during backup package
> creation?

What about ... no. :)

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
> On 2/27/2012 9:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
>> from portmaster.rc
>
> FYI, I specifically avoid *giving* people these kinds of answers because
> I want them to  wait for it ...
>
> read
> the
> man
> page.
>
>
> :)

What about a command line flag to ignore errors during backup package
creation ? Rationale : to have a non-interrupted upgrade process
(that's why I always use "-d") without using obscure environment
variables or going through the process of creating a config file. No
pun intended.

Do you want me to... submit a patch ?

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Re: Please update lang/cmucl to 20c

2012-02-27 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Michel Talon  wrote:
>> any chance to see cmucl-20c (including cmucl-extras) in ports,
>> while at the same time keeping the current lang/cmucl as, say,
>> lang/cmucl19, because that version still supports non-SSE2
>> CPUs?
>
> The sse2 version is indeed much faster, and works on quite old computers
> nowadays
>
> so i am not sure that the generic version is still useful.

Well, it is: I have a couple of machines that don't have SSE2
instruction set (e.g. VIA C3 and some older Pentiums), that
are really dependent on at least one working CL implementation
that doesn't require SSE2. I really have nothing against a version
with SSE2 support -- I love Clozure CL for example despite it
being SSE2-only --, but I can't replace all pre-SSE2 boxes right
now, just to accommodate the new CMUCL.

>> And while I'm asking for it, could the cmucl port include
>> the sources (perhaps from the source release tar ball or
>> as part of the building-from-source process?) in such a
>> way that it is available from within lisp itself?
>
>
> In fact the exact position of the source code from which the binary has been
> compiled
>
> is annotated in the binary, so the only solution to make debugging, etc.
> work is to
>
> avoid completely moving the source code after compilation. So practically
> you have to compile
>
> cmucl (or sbcl) in your home and live it here. The ports system is useless
> here.

Yes, that's the problem.

Maybe these ports could be compiled *outside* the ports tree? I.E. move
the sources to their final destination and then only bootstrap lisp and
compile a core image from there? That's not the Canonical Way of ports,
but as a workaround, it could be enabled e.g. as an OPTION. Just a
humble suggestion though... it's up to the port maintainers to decide and
figure out a way to do it.

> Michel Talon
> ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr

Regards,
-cpghost.

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Re: CFT: pkgng support for tinderbox

2012-02-27 Thread Beat Gätzi
On Feb 21, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Andrey Zonov wrote:
> On 22.02.2012 0:24, Andrey Zonov wrote:
>> On 16.02.2012 1:07, Beat Gätzi wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> pkgng support for tinderbox (written by bapt@) is ready and is looking
>>> for
>>> some review and testers. The patch is against tinderbox HEAD:
>>> 
>>> http://tmp.chruetertee.ch/tinderbox-pkgng.patch
>> 
>> 
>> One more fix:
>> 
> 
> And more:
> 
> --- lib/buildscript.prev2012-02-22 00:44:58.0 +0400
> +++ lib/buildscript 2012-02-22 00:45:18.0 +0400
> @@ -323,7 +323,7 @@
>   fi
>   add_pkg ${TD}
>   if [ "$use_pkgng" = "yes" ]; then
> - pkg info -qa | sort > /tmp/pkgs_pre_test
> + pkg info -qa | sort > /tmp/pkgs_post_test
>   else
>  pkg_info | awk '{print $1}' | sort > /tmp/pkgs_post_test
>   fi

Thanks! I've updated the patch with your fixes and the hook to create a pkg
repo:
http://tmp.chruetertee.ch/tinderbox-pkgng-v2.patch

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 2/27/2012 9:33 AM, Eitan Adler wrote:
> from portmaster.rc

FYI, I specifically avoid *giving* people these kinds of answers because
I want them to  wait for it ...

read
the
man
page.


:)

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Re: Please update lang/cmucl to 20c

2012-02-27 Thread Michel Talon
> any chance to see cmucl-20c (including cmucl-extras) in ports,
> while at the same time keeping the current lang/cmucl as, say,
> lang/cmucl19, because that version still supports non-SSE2
> CPUs?

The sse2 version is indeed much faster, and works on quite old computers 
nowadays
so i am not sure that the generic version is still useful.

> And while I'm asking for it, could the cmucl port include
> the sources (perhaps from the source release tar ball or
> as part of the building-from-source process?) in such a
> way that it is available from within lisp itself?

In fact the exact position of the source code from which the binary has been 
compiled
is annotated in the binary, so the only solution to make debugging, etc. work 
is to
avoid completely moving the source code after compilation. So practically you 
have to compile
cmucl (or sbcl) in your home and live it here. The ports system is useless here.



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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/2/27 Eitan Adler :
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Olivier Smedts  wrote:
>> 2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
>>> On 02/27/2012 02:18, Olivier Smedts wrote:
 Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
 backup package if there was a plist problem
>>>
>>> That's in the man page. :)
>>
>> Sorry, but I really don't find it... I don't want to prevent the
>> backup packages' creation (-B), I just want to reply "ignore" when the
>> backup package is created and, for example, a file in plist is missing
>> in the filesystem. In this case, "ignore" continues with backup
>> package creation.
>
> from portmaster.rc
>
> # Do not prompt the user for failed backup package creation
> PM_IGNORE_FAILED_BACKUP_PACKAGE=pm_ignore_failed_backup_package

Thanks for the answer. I was searching for a command line flag, but
this time it seems I'll have to create a config file :)

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Eitan Adler
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Olivier Smedts  wrote:
> 2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
>> On 02/27/2012 02:18, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>>> Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
>>> backup package if there was a plist problem
>>
>> That's in the man page. :)
>
> Sorry, but I really don't find it... I don't want to prevent the
> backup packages' creation (-B), I just want to reply "ignore" when the
> backup package is created and, for example, a file in plist is missing
> in the filesystem. In this case, "ignore" continues with backup
> package creation.

from portmaster.rc

# Do not prompt the user for failed backup package creation
PM_IGNORE_FAILED_BACKUP_PACKAGE=pm_ignore_failed_backup_package


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Re: Libreoffice fails with /usr/ports/www/py-utidy port

2012-02-27 Thread Michael Scheidell



On 2/27/12 11:26 AM, Christopher Watson wrote:

Attempting to build Libreoffice fails. Apparently the python lib utidy
is no where to be found. Nor can you fetch the package. Suggestions?

===>   Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===>   License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE
=>  uTidylib-0.2.zip doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
=>  Attempting to fetch http://download.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip
fetch: http://download.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip: Moved
Temporarily

it appears the owner of that program moved it.
(hence 'Moved Temporarily')

a quick google find it.

http://prdownload.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip

you can manually put this into /usr/ports/distfiles and go about your 
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Libreoffice fails with /usr/ports/www/py-utidy port

2012-02-27 Thread Christopher Watson
Attempting to build Libreoffice fails. Apparently the python lib utidy
is no where to be found. Nor can you fetch the package. Suggestions?

===>  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===>  License check disabled, port has not defined LICENSE
=> uTidylib-0.2.zip doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/.
=> Attempting to fetch http://download.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip
fetch: http://download.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip: Moved
Temporarily
=> Attempting to fetch http://download2.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip
fetch: http://download2.berlios.de/utidylib/uTidylib-0.2.zip: Moved
Temporarily
=> Attempting to fetch
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/uTidylib-0.2.zip
fetch:
ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/uTidylib-0.2.zip: No
address record
=> Couldn't fetch it - please try to retrieve this
=> port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/ and try again.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/ports/www/py-utidy.
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Re: No working IDE in FreeBSD!

2012-02-27 Thread Max Brazhnikov
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:48:36 +0100, O. Hartmann wrote:
> Codelite looks nice. But why is codelite setup in editors/codelite and
> not in devel/codelite as other IDEs?
Perhaps it started as advanced editor and then grew up to the IDE :)

> By the way, do all IDEs supported by FreeBSD suffer from being outdated
> and aged eons? CodeLite 3.5 is at this very moment the most recent
> version and claims to provide a much better LLVM/CLANG support.

Take a look at devel/qtcreator. At least you couldn't say that it's outdated, 
I've just updated it to the latest version :)

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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
2012/2/27 Doug Barton :
> On 02/27/2012 02:18, Olivier Smedts wrote:
>> Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
>> backup package if there was a plist problem
>
> That's in the man page. :)

Sorry, but I really don't find it... I don't want to prevent the
backup packages' creation (-B), I just want to reply "ignore" when the
backup package is created and, for example, a file in plist is missing
in the filesystem. In this case, "ignore" continues with backup
package creation.
Maybe that's a pkg_create(1) option, but in that case I don't know how
to pass options from portmaster to pkg_create either.

Any hint ? :-)

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Re: graphics/png does not build with lang/gcc

2012-02-27 Thread Gautam
Hi,

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Jakub Lach  wrote:

> To be precise, I'm user of lang/gcc46, but since long before lang/gcc
> creation, so it shouldn't really matter.
>
>
Still didnt work for me -- did another buildworld and retried to check if
there was something else messed up.

I am moving back to base gcc for now. Waiting for redports lang/gcc backend
to come up ;) and will check this again on 8-stable as well.

Thanks
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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/27/2012 07:30, Mark Felder wrote:
> On that note, does portmaster at least provide a way to keep track of
> libraries it kept due to the usage of -w ?

No. We need a tool to prune unused libs, but I don't have time to write
one. Several people have promised to work on it, but nothing has come of
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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Doug Barton
On 02/27/2012 02:18, Olivier Smedts wrote:
> Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
> backup package if there was a plist problem

That's in the man page. :)


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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Mark Felder
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:18:12 -0600, Olivier Smedts   
wrote:



-w : save old shared libraries before deinstall



Won't this leave a lot of cruft behind over time? I don't see the point in  
keeping ancient shared libraries around for years and not knowing with  
confidence what versions your ports are linked to. I'd rather just follow  
UPDATING and make sure everything is properly linked against the newest.


On that note, does portmaster at least provide a way to keep track of  
libraries it kept due to the usage of -w ?

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Please update lang/cmucl to 20c

2012-02-27 Thread C. P. Ghost
Hi,

any chance to see cmucl-20c (including cmucl-extras) in ports,
while at the same time keeping the current lang/cmucl as, say,
lang/cmucl19, because that version still supports non-SSE2
CPUs?

There's an x86-binary release for FreeBSD 8.2 on
http://www.cons.org/cmucl/download.html

And while I'm asking for it, could the cmucl port include
the sources (perhaps from the source release tar ball or
as part of the building-from-source process?) in such a
way that it is available from within lisp itself?

What I mean: when asking for example for
(describe 'car)
you get among others:
On Thursday, 4/23/09 03:28:55 am [-2] it was compiled from:
target:code/list.lisp
So it would be nice to have the symbolic directory target: point
to something like /usr/local/share/cmucl-20c/src/code/list.lisp

TIA,
-cpghost.

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Current unassigned ports problem reports

2012-02-27 Thread FreeBSD bugmaster
(Note: an HTML version of this report is available at
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr-summary.cgi?category=ports .)

The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users.
These represent problem reports covering all versions including
experimental development code and obsolete releases.


S Tracker  Resp.  Description

o ports/165500Weechat port broken on 9.0-RELEASE
o ports/165499[MAINTAINER] www/piwik: update to 1.7.1
o ports/165497[MAINTAINER] sysutils/lsof: update to 4.86B
f ports/165494[UPDATE] devel/geany-plugins: update to 0.21
f ports/165490[UPDATE] devel/srecord to 1.5.9
o ports/165483[patch] graphics/sane-backends creates a circular rcor
f ports/165482sysutils/lsof: lsof-4.86A,6 refuses to build on 8.3 pr
o ports/165474[MAINTAINER] databases/pecl-mysqlnd_qc: [SUMMARIZE CHA
o ports/165468New port: mail/notmuch
f ports/165464x11-drivers/input-wacom is broken [patch]
o ports/165462graphics/kphotoalbum should depend on marblewidget.12 
o ports/165430[maintainer update] port sysutils/modules upgrade
o ports/165412www/sarg: the download report only showed the host nam
o ports/165409[UPDATE] www/MT: update to 5.13
f ports/165398[PATCH] sysutils/bacula-server: upgrade to 5.2.6
o ports/165380[patch] Unbreak net/msend on 9.0 + add rc script
o ports/165361x11-wm/e17-module-mem counts memory incorrectly
s ports/165353ports-mgmt/portupgrade can't parse date anymore
o ports/165337new port: sysutils/fusefs-mp3fs http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports
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Re: portupgrade -> portmaster Rosetta Stone?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
Hello,

2012/2/25 Royce Williams :
> To ease the transition, does anyone know of a Rosetta Stone table, or
> "portmaster for native speakers of portupgrade"?

I was a "portupgrade -a" user, now I use "portmaster -adw" :
-d : always clean distfiles (doesn't stop each time a port is upgraded)
-w : save old shared libraries before deinstall (you should also read
/usr/ports/UPDATING, check the output of "pkg_libchk" from
sysutils/bsdadminscripts sometimes, and clean the dust in
/usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/)

Now I only need to find a way to "ignore" the errors when creating a
backup package if there was a plist problem, and it will be really
fine. portmaster tells you what it will do before doing it, and it
will also show you all the "config" dialogs before the upgrade and not
during it, unlike portupgrade.

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Re: [x11/xkeyboard-config] x11/xkbcomp not a RUN_DEPENDS ?

2012-02-27 Thread Olivier Smedts
Hello,

Le 26 février 2012 16:37, Olivier Cochard-Labbé  a écrit :
> Hi all,
>
> On my system (9.0-amd64), if I install x11/xorg-minimal from port,
> It's work great but if I install my self generated xorg-minimal
> package, it didn't start: Xorg complain about missing xkbcomp in its
> log file.
> Looking the dependency tree, I've seen that x11/xkeyboard-config
> include x11/xkbcomp as a BUILD_DEPENDS only (this why using the
> package method didn't install x11/xkbcomp).
> Should it be fix as RUN_DEPENDS ?

I've got this problem too, maybe because I'm not using the default
xkblayout ? From my /etc/X11/xorg.conf :
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard"
Driver  "kbd"
Option  "XkbLayout" "fr"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc105"
EndSection

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