so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? Well, I sure can't go back to him and tell him that there was only one company who contacted me back who said that they used VMware in production systems, with FreeBSD guest os. If there isn't anyone else with VMware problems, and I really want to be clear: VMware is a 'for profit' company, so, small numbers won't impress them, but if there are any companies (aside from the one that contacted me.. you don't have to again, I have your email). If no one else, I'll call him back on the phone and apologize for bothering him. I was really hoping to get some of the virtual nic issues, and hgfs issues worked out, but, I guess there isn't enough commercial interest. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o: 561-999-5000 d: 561-948-2259 >*| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Best Mobile Solutions Product of 2011 * Best Intrusion Prevention Product * Hot Company Finalist 2011 * Best Email Security Product * Certified SNORT Integrator ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 Michael Scheidell articulated: > I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him > there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more > that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix > some device drivers). > > He asked "how many"? I have experienced the same exact problem when contacting various companies regarding drivers suitable for FreeBSD. Virtually none of them are interested in developing and maintaining drivers for what they consider a niche environment. One such company did what yours did, asked to to name other users of the device I was inquiring about. I felt rather embarrassed to admit that I could not name a single one. At least you had one. Good luck! -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
Hi, I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. On Sunday 22 January 2012 04:10:24 Jerry wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 > Michael Scheidell articulated: > > > I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him > > there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more > > that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix > > some device drivers). > > > > He asked "how many"? > I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their machines. Erich > I have experienced the same exact problem when contacting various > companies regarding drivers suitable for FreeBSD. Virtually none of > them are interested in developing and maintaining drivers for what they > consider a niche environment. One such company did what yours did, > asked to to name other users of the device I was inquiring about. I > felt rather embarrassed to admit that I could not name a single one. At > least you had one. > > Good luck! > > -- > Jerry ♔ > > Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. > Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. > > ___ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:12:53 -0600, Michael Scheidell wrote: I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? Well, I sure can't go back to him and tell him that there was only one company who contacted me back who said that they used VMware in production systems, with FreeBSD guest os. If there isn't anyone else with VMware problems, and I really want to be clear: VMware is a 'for profit' company, so, small numbers won't impress them, but if there are any companies (aside from the one that contacted me.. you don't have to again, I have your email). If no one else, I'll call him back on the phone and apologize for bothering him. I was really hoping to get some of the virtual nic issues, and hgfs issues worked out, but, I guess there isn't enough commercial interest. My company uses FreeBSD on VMware in production quite extensively. We've had a support case open with VMware for almost two years about guest crashes that occur randomly (basically, guests just completely stop responding and require reboot. We've had this happen on different hardware, multiple storage backends, multiple FreeBSD versions, multiple different VMware clusters), and frequently enough to cause serious complaints from users. VMware has yet to give us any answers, other than "enable additional debug logging". I don't believe they've taken our issue seriously, it hasn't been escalated, and it has gone on far too long without any solution. The benefits of their product still outweigh the drawbacks (though we've moved the most critical systems back to native hardware), but it's gotten to the point in which as soon as a competitor has the features we need, we're gone. ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
.. maybe the correct(er) solution would be "We've got a couple of companies who would love to take on the responsibility of hacking on and testing the vmware driver support for FreeBSD, please consider negotiating an NDA to get whatever source opened up?" Adrian On 21 January 2012 12:12, Michael Scheidell wrote: > I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was > a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if > just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). > > He asked "how many"? > > Well, I sure can't go back to him and tell him that there was only one > company who contacted me back who said that they used VMware in production > systems, with FreeBSD guest os. > > If there isn't anyone else with VMware problems, and I really want to be > clear: VMware is a 'for profit' company, so, small numbers won't impress > them, but if there are any companies (aside from the one that contacted > me.. you don't have to again, I have your email). > > If no one else, I'll call him back on the phone and apologize for > bothering him. > > I was really hoping to get some of the virtual nic issues, and hgfs issues > worked out, but, I guess there isn't enough commercial interest. > > -- > Michael Scheidell, CTO > o: 561-999-5000 > d: 561-948-2259 > >*| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation > > * Best Mobile Solutions Product of 2011 > * Best Intrusion Prevention Product > * Hot Company Finalist 2011 > * Best Email Security Product > * Certified SNORT Integrator > > -- > This mail is for the internal use of the FreeBSD project committers, > and as such is private. This mail may not be published or forwarded > outside the FreeBSD committers' group or disclosed to other unauthorised > parties without the explicit permission of the author(s). > > ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
> I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on > their machines. i do, servers in tokyo and seattle. and am quite happy. i know a bunch of folk who do. i am trying to understand the relationship between $subject, end of net predicted, and the op calling vmware and being asked how many users. randy ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
Am 22.01.2012 02:15, schrieb Erich Dollansky: > Hi, > > I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. > > On Sunday 22 January 2012 04:10:24 Jerry wrote: >> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 >> Michael Scheidell articulated: >> >>> I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him >>> there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more >>> that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix >>> some device drivers). >>> >>> He asked "how many"? >> > I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their > machines. I dual-boot FreeBSD, either bare-bones, or into a virtual machine - BUT that is VirtualBox with the PUEL'ed extension pack, on a 64-bit Linux amd64 host. And I don't care about VMWare at all since they took VMWare server 1.x off the market. I've seen their pricing policies since the early days of VMWare Workstation 1.X many a year ago, and it's ridiculous (meaning way overpriced), and there are more reasons... ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
on 22/01/2012 16:12 Matthias Andree said the following: > Am 22.01.2012 02:15, schrieb Erich Dollansky: >> Hi, >> >> I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. >> >> On Sunday 22 January 2012 04:10:24 Jerry wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 >>> Michael Scheidell articulated: >>> I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? >>> >> I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their >> machines. > > I dual-boot FreeBSD, either bare-bones, or into a virtual machine - BUT > that is VirtualBox with the PUEL'ed extension pack, on a 64-bit Linux > amd64 host. > > And I don't care about VMWare at all since they took VMWare server 1.x > off the market. > I've seen their pricing policies since the early days of VMWare > Workstation 1.X many a year ago, and it's ridiculous (meaning way > overpriced), and there are more reasons... I appreciate your and Erich's urge to speak out in this thread, but the thread-starter asked about something different. -- Andriy Gapon ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On 2012-01-21 21:12, Michael Scheidell wrote: > I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a > lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just > VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). > > He asked "how many"? > > Well, I sure can't go back to him and tell him that there was only one > company who contacted me back who said that they used VMware in production > systems, with FreeBSD guest os. > > If there isn't anyone else with VMware problems, and I really want to be > clear: VMware is a 'for profit' company, so, small numbers won't impress > them, but if there are any companies (aside from the one that contacted me.. > you don't have to again, I have your email). > > If no one else, I'll call him back on the phone and apologize for bothering > him. > > I was really hoping to get some of the virtual nic issues, and hgfs issues > worked out, but, I guess there isn't enough commercial interest. count +1 from me. Except my private test/build machine I run everything on ESX clusters ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On 2012-01-22 15:12, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 22.01.2012 02:15, schrieb Erich Dollansky: >> Hi, >> >> I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. >> >> On Sunday 22 January 2012 04:10:24 Jerry wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 >>> Michael Scheidell articulated: >>> I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? >>> >> I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their >> machines. > > I dual-boot FreeBSD, either bare-bones, or into a virtual machine - BUT > that is VirtualBox with the PUEL'ed extension pack, on a 64-bit Linux > amd64 host. > > And I don't care about VMWare at all since they took VMWare server 1.x > off the market. > I've seen their pricing policies since the early days of VMWare > Workstation 1.X many a year ago, and it's ridiculous (meaning way > overpriced), and there are more reasons... Private and enterprise are two different things (also in prising) If our devs need a machine for testing or a project I can deploy a new machine in short time at one of our data-centers which is not doable with bare metal. For private you can use the free ESXi and small corporates can use the foundation version ( less then 1000,- for three servers including VCenter ). Most companies I know run everything virtual, one of the big plus is having all servers the same (virtual) HW platform, load balancing, failover ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On 1/22/2012 9:12 AM, Matthias Andree wrote: > Am 22.01.2012 02:15, schrieb Erich Dollansky: >> Hi, >> >> I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. >> >> On Sunday 22 January 2012 04:10:24 Jerry wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:12:53 -0500 >>> Michael Scheidell articulated: >>> I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? >>> >> I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their >> machines. > > I dual-boot FreeBSD, either bare-bones, or into a virtual machine - BUT > that is VirtualBox with the PUEL'ed extension pack, on a 64-bit Linux > amd64 host. > > And I don't care about VMWare at all since they took VMWare server 1.x > off the market. > I've seen their pricing policies since the early days of VMWare > Workstation 1.X many a year ago, and it's ridiculous (meaning way > overpriced), and there are more reasons... FWIW, I have around a dozen FreeBSD machines in production under VMWare ESXi for network telemetry and caching name servers. -Vinny ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
FWIW, we're running a number of fbsd servers under vmware here at missouri.edu. Aside from ntpd issues, remedied by running ntpdate from cron, there have been no problems that I'm aware of. I can forward a 8.2 kernel config to anyone who's interested. It's nothing special though. Rich ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. There is some Dell Blade Hardware that I could not get to run FreeBSD 8. So I installed ESXi and installed FreeBSD as a VM so I didn't have to switch providers. It works OK. I do not know anybody who runs FreeBSD in a VM. All run it native on their machines. I run two. But I use ESXi (the free version); I only have paid for VMware Fusion. --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
2012/1/22 Vinny Abello : > FWIW, I have around a dozen FreeBSD machines in production under VMWare > ESXi for network telemetry and caching name servers. Would be interested in running some on ESXi at work if driver support is quite good. -- Olivier Smedts _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) e-mail: oliv...@gid0.org - against HTML email & vCards X www: http://www.gid0.org - against proprietary attachments / \ "Il y a seulement 10 sortes de gens dans le monde : ceux qui comprennent le binaire, et ceux qui ne le comprennent pas." ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
Hi, On Monday 23 January 2012 11:44:56 Peter Beckman wrote: > On Sun, 22 Jan 2012, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > I wonder why I should run FreeBSD under VMware. > > There is some Dell Blade Hardware that I could not get to run FreeBSD 8. > So I installed ESXi and installed FreeBSD as a VM so I didn't have to > switch providers. It works OK. > I never thought of this. Erich ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012, Michael Scheidell wrote: I reached out to a high level sr engineer at VMware and told him there was a lot of companies using FreeBSD on VMware, and a lot more that would, if just VMware gave us some love (fixed, or helped us fix some device drivers). He asked "how many"? Well, I sure can't go back to him and tell him that there was only one company who contacted me back who said that they used VMware in production systems, with FreeBSD guest os. If there isn't anyone else with VMware problems, and I really want to be clear: VMware is a 'for profit' company, so, small numbers won't impress them, but if there are any companies (aside from the one that contacted me.. you don't have to again, I have your email). If no one else, I'll call him back on the phone and apologize for bothering him. I was really hoping to get some of the virtual nic issues, and hgfs issues worked out, but, I guess there isn't enough commercial interest. Hi Michael: I can't speak to your specific experience, but I do know that some VMWare folk contacted the FreeBSD release engineering team late in the 9.0 cycle to ask whether the ISO images appearing on our FTP site were the final versions they should use for qualification work or not. We advised them to wait until the release announcement was out, just in case. Robert ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Robert Watson wrote: I can't speak to your specific experience, but I do know that some VMWare folk contacted the FreeBSD release engineering team late in the 9.0 cycle to ask whether the ISO images appearing on our FTP site were the final versions they should use for qualification work or not. We advised them to wait until the release announcement was out, just in case. Oh, one other data point. Last I checked, NetApp used VMWare as a training/development platform with OnTap GX, which is FreeBSD-derived. I believe that may include shipping training VMs to customers, but you'd want to check their web site and confirm that before passing that on. I don't know if NetApp has shipped with VMWare in products; if that is the case, you might not want to bring up NetApp's work on bHyve :-). Robert ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On the plus side, we have dozens of production FreeBSD VM's running on a mid-size vSphere 4 development. On the minus side this is down significantly from this time last year. We are migrating to FreeBSD-on-KVM as fast as we can because VMware's support for FreeBSD is as others have described (i.e. bad), and KVM is coming along nicely. This is especially egregious when you take into account their steadily increasing pricing models. OTOH it's worth taking a closer look at http://callfortesting.org/bhyve/ Doug -- It's always a long day; 86400 doesn't fit into a short. Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
On 1/26/12 2:56 AM, Doug Barton wrote: On the plus side, we have dozens of production FreeBSD VM's running on a mid-size vSphere 4 development. On the minus side this is down significantly from this time last year. We are migrating to FreeBSD-on-KVM as fast as we can because VMware's support for FreeBSD is as others have described (i.e. bad), and KVM is coming along nicely. This is especially egregious when you take into account their steadily increasing pricing models. OTOH it's worth taking a closer look athttp://callfortesting.org/bhyve/ precisely the 'kick in the pants' we want to give them. if they want FreeBSD based business, they need to give us some love. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO o: 561-999-5000 d: 561-948-2259 >*| *SECNAP Network Security Corporation * Best Mobile Solutions Product of 2011 * Best Intrusion Prevention Product * Hot Company Finalist 2011 * Best Email Security Product * Certified SNORT Integrator ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: so, FreeBSD on VMware is dead, right?
FreeBSD on ESX here. Unfortunately our boss wants us to move to Citrix Xen even though they don't* support VMotion type features on FreeBSD because we've spent upwards of $50,000 USD in support/licensing on VMWare over the last year and it's been over a year without a fix to our crash bug directly related to bad behavior in their I/O virtualization layer. (ESX 4.1) So besides the few VMs that crash ~weekly, it runs great, and we have a ton of FreeBSD VMs which will never be changed to another OS. FreeBSD needs more love from VMWare, but I don't think it's dead.. However, it's rather disappointing to hear their techs say. "FreeBDS?[sic] What is that, some kind of Linux?" * Citrix NetScaler product is based on a fork of FreeBSD 6.x and Citrix offers a VM appliance that runs on Xen and does support their VMotion equivalent. Why they won't port or give us the Xen Tools that exist on that appliance is a mystery. I've considered taking their trial appliance, dissecting it, and trying to make it run on stock FreeBSD with compat6x and what other hacks are necessary, but I'm sure they have kernel modules that definitely will not work on 8.x or 9.x without being recompiled ___ freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
