Re: Can't mount cd9660 file system.

2004-03-06 Thread Gary W. Swearingen
If you have doubts about your CD (but you probably shouldn't),
this should help:

iso_file="backup.iso"

blocksize=2048
## *** WARNING *** DVDs might be different *** WARNING ***
## Block size of ISO CDs. Nothing else will work (esp,in dd command).
blocks=$(( $(ls -l ${iso_file} | awk '{print $5;}') / ${blocksize} ))
bytes=$(( ${blocks} * ${blocksize} ))
if dd if=/dev/acd0 count=${blocks} bs=${blocksize} | diff - ${iso_file}; then
echo "NOTICE: Comparison OK.  The CD seems OK."
else
echo "ERROR: The CD and file differred."
fi
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ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:45, Rishi Chopra wrote:
> I have two machines in my loft (a FreeBSD server and a Win2k box) 
> connected via CAT5 crossover cable.
> 
> I connect to the FreeBSD machine via SSH, and use secure file transfer 
> to upload/download from the machine.
> 
> In the last week, the FreeBSD machine has dropped my connection on 3 
> seperate occasions.  I'll queue up some work and leave the machine 
> unattended, only to return at a later time and find that the connection 
> has been closed.
> 
> No one else has physical access to the area when this occurs; can anyone 
> tell me what's going on or what I need to do in order to keep from being 
> disconnected in the future?
> 
> Unfortunately the file transfer client portion of SSH Secure Shell is 
> very poor at resuming queued work, so this is starting to cause me an 
> inconvinience.

I've been having a similar problem, afaict since I moved my server to
5.2-RELEASE from 4.8-RELEASE and to a EPIA 5000 board (from a Pentium
system).

I've not had a disconnection while I've been actively using the
connection but most connections that are left idle get disconnected
after a while (seems to be around 10 to 15 minutes). This happens
consistently at the moment from my development system which can be
running any of 5.2-RELEASE, Windows 98SE or Windows 2000 and has been
seen to occur on another couple of systems. My suspicions currently lie
with the on-board network adapter on the EPIA board using the vr driver
but I have no direct evidence to support it, other than I don't recall
ever seeing it with my old server.


Wayne


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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Rishi Chopra
Wayne,

I would not suspect the hardware.  My suspicion is this has something to 
do with SSH configuration.  Is there a setting within the FreeBSD SSH 
configuration files that specifies disconnection of idle connections?

I didn't think my connection was idle since file transfer was occuring, 
but since there was no activity in the SSH terminal window, I could see 
how that could be taken as 'idle'; at any rate, there must be a setting 
that specifies number of minutes for an idle connection, and/or a way of 
turning off automatic idle disconnects.

A little help from the longbeards please? Arrgh!

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http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rchopra
Wayne Sierke wrote:

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:45, Rishi Chopra wrote:

I have two machines in my loft (a FreeBSD server and a Win2k box) 
connected via CAT5 crossover cable.

I connect to the FreeBSD machine via SSH, and use secure file transfer 
to upload/download from the machine.

In the last week, the FreeBSD machine has dropped my connection on 3 
seperate occasions.  I'll queue up some work and leave the machine 
unattended, only to return at a later time and find that the connection 
has been closed.

No one else has physical access to the area when this occurs; can anyone 
tell me what's going on or what I need to do in order to keep from being 
disconnected in the future?

Unfortunately the file transfer client portion of SSH Secure Shell is 
very poor at resuming queued work, so this is starting to cause me an 
inconvinience.


I've been having a similar problem, afaict since I moved my server to
5.2-RELEASE from 4.8-RELEASE and to a EPIA 5000 board (from a Pentium
system).
I've not had a disconnection while I've been actively using the
connection but most connections that are left idle get disconnected
after a while (seems to be around 10 to 15 minutes). This happens
consistently at the moment from my development system which can be
running any of 5.2-RELEASE, Windows 98SE or Windows 2000 and has been
seen to occur on another couple of systems. My suspicions currently lie
with the on-board network adapter on the EPIA board using the vr driver
but I have no direct evidence to support it, other than I don't recall
ever seeing it with my old server.
Wayne



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Re: /root file system full

2004-03-06 Thread Alex de Kruijff
On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 04:50:32PM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote:
> > Good Morning,
> > 
> > I have recently installed FreeBSD 4.9  and have thoroughly enjoyed my first
> > foray into the BSD world. Indeed my first foray into any non-windows OS. So
> > far I have encountered quite a few problems but have always managed to find
> > an answer in the handbook or by searching through the extensive resources
> > available on the net. Great documentaion! This is the first time I have
> > needed to ask a question.
> 
> Good.
> 
> 
> > My / filesystem is full. 109%. I want to know what is on the / filesystem,
> > what I can get rid of, how to get rid of it and how to make sure that it
> > doesn't happen again.
> 
> First, use the program to check usage of a disk.
> Since it is / that is overfull, 
> log in or su to root
>cd /
>du -sk *
> 
> Then find out which directory trees or files are using up
> all the space.
> CD in to those directories and do the same thing until you 
> find some things that seem unexpectedly large or unnecessary.
> Then you can delete unneeded things.
> 
> In spite of a pretty good system, upgrades and installs can use
> up space and leave extra stuff lying around.   Some of them clean
> up after themselves well and some don't do so well.
> 
> As for the amount of space you need in a / filesystem, I think
> that the 128 MB is unrealistic.   If you have just a base system
> and stay right on top of it all the time, you can get by with that
> amount.   With disks being so much larget nowdays, I let myself
> have more, maybe double or so.   But, on the machine I am on at
> the moment, although I have a bigger root, only 43 MB of it is used.

I agree, but don't make it to much bigger. There is a better performance
include with a small root, since the start of the disk is faster then
the end. Having a small root allow a faster boot and faster writes and
read to swap file, since this is then closer to the start. I feel 256M
would be appropriate. It migth be that less gives problems when you try
to update though the make world process.

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Re: flash plugin BSD vs linux

2004-03-06 Thread Alex de Kruijff
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:41:27PM -0500, Osmany Guirola Cruz wrote:
> Hi people
>  I have a little problem whith the flash plugin on my BSD box. I installed the flash 
> plugin port whithout problem but these not work , it showme a black screen in the 
> place of the plugin and  no picture no animation no nothing :-(. "i try mozilla and 
> epiphany as browsers". i installed the linux-mozillafirebird port and the linux 
> flash-plugin port and.. IT WORKS whitout problem .. WHY? HOW CAN I SOLVE THESE 
> PROBLEM?

I installed Mozilla with Flash according to the capter 'brouwsers' in
the handbook ( www.freebsd.org/handbook/ ). That works fine for me.

P.S. Could you set your mailer to cut the text afhter 72 char? I'm on a
console and this doesn't read so nice.


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Re: continued make world problems...

2004-03-06 Thread Alex de Kruijff
On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 12:53:15AM -0600, Eric F Crist wrote:
> Hello list.
> 
> I've managed to get cvsup working (after my botched make world and a power 
> failure a couple days ago).  I deleted the /usr/src tree, and the /usr/obj 
> tree and tried to complete a make world afterwards.  No matter what I do, I 
> get the following error after 2 hours of a make world:
> 
> btxld -v -E 0x2000 -f bin 
> -b /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2/  ../btx/btx/btx -l boot2.ldr -o 
> boot2.ld -P 1 boot2.bin
> btxld: No such file or directory
> *** Error code 1
> 
> Stop in /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2.
> *** Error code 1
> 
> etc.
> 
> What do I need to do to fix this.  I cannot get this to go away with the tiny 
> bit of knowledge I have.  Please help.  :(

Its hard to do that without knowing you exact steps. I assume you've
read the handbook about this?

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Re: xterm

2004-03-06 Thread Quintin Riis
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| action (this action is particularly reprehensible to me because
| it requires that I use both hands, one on the mouse and one on
| the keyboard) after the window is opened.  Is there anyway I
| can specify this along with the  xterm  invocation, say by
| setting an environment variable appropriately?
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Re: Problems (Still) Mounting CDROM

2004-03-06 Thread Rishi Chopra
What if the drive is recognized by the BIOS?

Chuck McManis wrote:

As far as your kernel is concerned there is no CDROM drive attached to it.

You should see something like:

atapci0:  port 
0xf000-0xf00f,0-0x3,0-0x7,0-0x3,0-0x7 irq 0 at device 31.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
... snip ...
sio1: type 16550A
ppc0: parallel port not found.
ad0: DMA limited to UDMA33, non-ATA66 cable or device
ad0: 76319MB  [155061/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA33
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-master PIO4
... snip ...

Note that the last line identifies the CDROM. Now the most common cause 
of this problem is that the CDROM is set as a "SLAVE" on the ATA bus and 
there is no master on that bus. Or sometimes its set as Master w/Slave 
Present and its waiting for the slave to ack before it does. Either way, 
its one of (in order of likelyness):

drive is mis-jumpered
drive is mis-cabled
drive is dead
HTH
--Chuck

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/usr/src/UPDATING vs FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp

2004-03-06 Thread Stacey Roberts
Hello,
 I've just (with cvsup) started upgrading one of my boxes in line with the recent 
advisory (FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp), and I'm at the point where 
I am reading /usr/src/UPDATING as per all recommendations from the HandBook to various 
user group advisories.

However, I noticed that there is no mention of this specific advisory anywhere in 
UPDATING. So.., have I missed something? Here's what I did: -

1] "su" to root
2] cd /usr/share/examples/cvsup
3] Edit stable-supfile - changed "default_host" to read "*default 
host=cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org"
4] Ran "cvsup stable-supfile"

Aren't details of this advisory (and others?) supposed to be in /usr/src/UPDATING? I 
only askbecause I'd not want to proceed from this point only to realise later on that 
the system *wasn't* patched after all.

I'd appreciate some advice, or pointer to some change in procedure that I might have 
missed somewhere along the line, please.

Thanks for the time.

Regards,

Stacey
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Re: /usr/src/UPDATING vs FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp

2004-03-06 Thread Cordula's Web
> I've just (with cvsup) started upgrading one of my boxes in
> line with the recent advisory (FreeBSD Security Advisory
> FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp), and I'm at the point where I am reading
> /usr/src/UPDATING as per all recommendations from the HandBook
> to various user group advisories.
> 
> Aren't details of this advisory (and others?) supposed to be in
> /usr/src/UPDATING? I only askbecause I'd not want to proceed from
> this point only to realise later on that the system *wasn't* patched
> after all.

UPDATING is not the place for this. You'll have to check the
revisions of the files manually against those in the advisory.

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Re: /usr/src/UPDATING vs FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp

2004-03-06 Thread Stacey Roberts
Hello,
 Thanks for the reply.

- Original Message -
From: "Cordula's Web <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"
To: To [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Mar, 2004 10:51 GMT
Subject: Re: /usr/src/UPDATING vs FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp

> > I've just (with cvsup) started upgrading one of my boxes in
> > line with the recent advisory (FreeBSD Security Advisory
> > FreeBSD-SA-04:04.tcp), and I'm at the point where I am reading
> > /usr/src/UPDATING as per all recommendations from the HandBook
> > to various user group advisories.
> > 
> > Aren't details of this advisory (and others?) supposed to be in
> > /usr/src/UPDATING? I only askbecause I'd not want to proceed from
> > this point only to realise later on that the system *wasn't* patched
> > after all.
> 
> UPDATING is not the place for this. You'll have to check the
> revisions of the files manually against those in the advisory.
> 

Okay.., cheers for that. I appreciate your taking the time.

Regards,

Stacey

> -- 
> Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/
> 

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B. Sc (HONS) Computer Science

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Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
Where can I download ISO images for the latest 4.9-STABLE? All I found was a
weird japanese site, that is either not responsive, or lets you download
15k/s.

I do not want to CVSup; I just want a clean, full install of 4.9-STABLE.

Thanks,

- Mark

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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Edmund Craske
ISO images are not made of a constantly changing source, you
will need to install 4.9-RELEASE and then update with cvsup
to 4.9-STABLE source, and make world.

Ed

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark
> Sent: 06 March 2004 11:47
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> Where can I download ISO images for the latest 4.9-STABLE? 
> All I found was a weird japanese site, that is either not 
> responsive, or lets you download 15k/s.
> 
> I do not want to CVSup; I just want a clean, full install of 
> 4.9-STABLE.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Mark
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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 19:39, Rishi Chopra wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> I would not suspect the hardware.  My suspicion is this has something to 
> do with SSH configuration.  Is there a setting within the FreeBSD SSH 
> configuration files that specifies disconnection of idle connections?
> 
> I didn't think my connection was idle since file transfer was occuring, 
> but since there was no activity in the SSH terminal window, I could see 
> how that could be taken as 'idle'; at any rate, there must be a setting 
> that specifies number of minutes for an idle connection, and/or a way of 
> turning off automatic idle disconnects.
> 
> A little help from the longbeards please? Arrgh!

My primary reason for suspecting hardware/drivers is that in my case,
both the current and previous sshd configs were unchanged from the
default install. A diff of the sshd_conf between my old and new servers
were identical (apart from version comments). This suggests to me that
unless 1) there has been a fundamental change in the default behaviour
of sshd between 4.8 and 5.2, or 2) my previous setup wasn't working
properly (ie. not doing idle disconnects when it should have been) then
the cause must lie elsewhere. Additionally, I believe I have witnessed
occasions on one of my LAN-connected machines when a ssh session
*hasn't* disconnected when left idle for a lengthy period, further
suggesting that it is not a configuration issue.

Unfortunately I'm still at the stage of only being mostly certain about
having witnessed uninterrupted connections. It would certainly help if
someone could indicate whether ssh disconnections should be expected or
not (on a LAN) with an unmodified sshd configuration.


Wayne


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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Remko Lodder
then were did you look ?

www.freebsd.org -> getting freebsd -> ftp sites
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.9/

for example, but you are suggested to take a closer mirror than
this server.

it's all on the website, note that you need to upgrade after
installing the stuff, since iso's are always outdated.

cheers

--

Kind regards,

Remko Lodder
Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers on the
hackerscene

mrtg.grunn.org Dutch mirror of MRTG

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Onderwerp: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


Where can I download ISO images for the latest 4.9-STABLE? All I found was a
weird japanese site, that is either not responsive, or lets you download
15k/s.

I do not want to CVSup; I just want a clean, full install of 4.9-STABLE.

Thanks,

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


> ISO images are not made of a constantly changing source,
> you will need to install 4.9-RELEASE and then update with
> cvsup to 4.9-STABLE source, and make world.

Sigh. I was afraid of that. What exactly should I put in the supfile? Is
there a standard template for upgrading to STABLE? The only time I ever
cvsup-ed, things went really wrong.

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
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From: "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> then were did you look ?

At:

http://snapshots.jp.freebsd.org:8021/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/i386/

> it's all on the website, note that you need to upgrade after
> installing the stuff, since iso's are always outdated.

Yeah; but it's the upgrade I'm unclear about. You'd think there be some
standard supfile template to upgrade your OS.

- Mark

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calling xterm under KDE

2004-03-06 Thread Ed Budd
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:14:13 +0800
Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - snip -
> > You can add the fontsize as a parameter when you invoke it, like
> > this:
> >
> > xterm -fn 
> >
> > I use 'xterm -fn 9x15' on a high res monitor and set it (along with
> > some other params) in my window manager (blackbox) menu config.
> 
> Hi Ed,
> 
> Where can I find "window manager"?  From 'Control Center' ok KDE?
> 
> # menu config
> menu: Command not found.
> # menuconfig
> menuconfig: Command not found
> 
> Kindly advise.  TIA
> 
> B.R.
> Stephen Liu
> 

You probably can't. As I am using the term, "window manager" is not an
applet but a reference to whatever you happen to be using to control
graphical window behavior on your desktop. It looks like your window
manager is KDE (which also happens to provide other services so is
called a "desktop environment" to denote these additional features). My
window manager is called "blackbox" which has a simple menu
configuration file where I can input a line for xterm and conveniently
call it through an item on a neat little pull-up menu.

For you I would suggest that you create a "shortcut" on your desktop.
You'll need to check with the KDE documentation since I don't actually
use it but it's probably as simple as right-clicking the desktop with
your mouse and choosing "new" or something like that and then through
"properties" type in the full command you want your new shortcut icon
to invoke.

EB
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Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD

2004-03-06 Thread Pete Renshaw
Hello,

Sorry, don't have all of the original message...

I think the newbie you are helping would at first find mandrake more 
informative.  It would let them see all the different parts of a unix type 
OS.  Perhaps a store bought box containing useful books for them.  Then maybe 
a year from now, you can install freebsd.  That way you won't be turned off 
yourself by answering so many little questions.  If it turns out they don't 
like it.  Their will be less time lost...

Pete

new DIM version coming out soon(php & mysql instant messenger)
http://dim.whorules.com  could use a little support...:)

> I am curious what some newbies experiences were with FreeBSD who 
> have have no unix experience before.  I have someone that I might be 
> setting up a unix workstation of some kind for and I'm debating 
> whether I should use FreeBSD or some Linux distro like mandrake or 
> debian.  I will be there most of the time to help if needed as this 
> is for work and will not be his home desktop, at least not yet.  He 
> only have some experience with using dos and windoze, but he does 
> have some technical background with computers.
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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Remko Lodder
install cvsup from the ports,

then change the file in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

ie..



# IMPORTANT: Change the next line to use one of the CVSup mirror sites
# listed at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/mirrors.html.
*default host=cvsup..FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
# The following line is for 4-stable.  If you want 3-stable or 2.2-stable,
# change "RELENG_4" to "RELENG_3" or "RELENG_2_2" respectively.
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4
#*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress



With this the /usr/src files should be upgraded,

personally i use the standard files

*default host=cvsup..FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_9
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress


Cheers
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hackerscene

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark
Verzonden: zaterdag 6 maart 2004 13:05
Aan: Edmund Craske
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


- Original Message -
From: "Edmund Craske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Mark'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


> ISO images are not made of a constantly changing source,
> you will need to install 4.9-RELEASE and then update with
> cvsup to 4.9-STABLE source, and make world.

Sigh. I was afraid of that. What exactly should I put in the supfile? Is
there a standard template for upgrading to STABLE? The only time I ever
cvsup-ed, things went really wrong.

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread zam4ever
- Original Message 
From: Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
Date: 06/03/04 19:52

> Where can I download ISO images for the latest 4.9-STABLE? All I found was
a
> weird japanese site, that is either not responsive, or lets you download
> 15k/s.
> 
> I do not want to CVSup; I just want a clean, full install of 4.9-STABLE.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Mark

This documentation will show you how to make your OS-stable:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Edmund Craske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


> install cvsup from the ports,
> 
> then change the file in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
> 
> ie..
> 
> 

Thanks!! I really appreciate it. :)

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mike Maltese
> Where can I download ISO images for the latest 4.9-STABLE? All I found was
a
> weird japanese site, that is either not responsive, or lets you download
> 15k/s.
>
> I do not want to CVSup; I just want a clean, full install of 4.9-STABLE.

Normally the procedure would be to get the kern.flp and mfsroot.flp floppy
images from the releng4.freebsd.org FTP server. Then you would put the
images on floppy, boot from them, then install the latest snapshot over the
Internet. These are usually pretty current. As a matter of fact, there is
already a snap for 3/06. The problem is that releng4 appears to be down and
the only mirrors I can find are heinously slow.

Anyone know what happened to releng4?

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undefining an array

2004-03-06 Thread Doom Neine
hello all,
i have a stripped array setup and i suspect that one
of the drives is having a problem, so i wanted to know
if there was a way in bsd to repartition the system
and move all data to one disk so i can take out the
other one

thanks.
p.s. plz don't shoot the newbie for asking strange questions

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My Xwindow halt

2004-03-06 Thread Choon-hoshon

   I install freebsd 5.2 release from packages.
   when starting X window, My OS makes some strange things.
   I use pentium2 dual cpu and radeon 7500 with SMP_KERNEL.
   But X window can not dectect 16 bit or 24 bit color.
   8 bit color makes X window with disabling DRI error messgage.
   However, when I use 16 bit DefaultDepth, My OS halt, I can do any
   thing but push reset button.
   XFree86 log is like
   XFree86 Version 4.4.0
   Release Date: 29 February 2004
   X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
   Build Operating System: FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE i386 [ELF]
   Current Operating System: FreeBSD BMW 5.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE
   #0: Sun Jan 11 04:21:45 GMT 2004
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
   Build Date: 27 February 2004
   Changelog Date: 29 February 2004
   Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/
   to make sure that you have the latest version.
   Module Loader present
   Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
   (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
   (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
   (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Sat Mar 6 13:25:07 2004
   (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config"
   (==) ServerLayout "Layout0"
   (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0)
   (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0"
   (**) | |-->Device "Card0"
   (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0"
   (**) Option "XkbModel" "microsoftpro"
   (**) XKB: model: "microsoftpro"
   (**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
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   (==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
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   (==) FontPath set to
   "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/,/usr/X11
   R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/li
   b/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fo
   nts/100dpi/"
   (==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
   (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
   (II) Module ABI versions:
   XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.2
   XFree86 Video Driver: 0.7
   XFree86 XInput driver : 0.4
   XFree86 Server Extension : 0.2
   XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.4
   (II) Loader running on freebsd
   (II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
   (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
   (II) Module bitmap: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
   compiled for 4.4.0, module version = 1.0.0
   Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
   ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.4
   (II) Loading font Bitmap
   (II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
   (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
   (II) Module pcidata: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
   compiled for 4.4.0, module version = 1.0.0
   ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.7
   (--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
   (--) using VT number 9
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   (II) PCI: Config type is 1
   (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x, mode1Res1 = 0x8000
   (II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
   (II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1106,0691 card , rev c4 class 06,00,00
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1106,8598 card , rev 00 class 06,04,00
   hdr 01
   (II) PCI: 00:07:0: chip 1106,0596 card 1106, rev 22 class 06,01,00
   hdr 80
   (II) PCI: 00:07:1: chip 1106,0571 card , rev 10 class 01,01,8a
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: 00:07:3: chip 1106,3050 card , rev 30 class 06,00,00
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: 00:11:0: chip 109e,036e card , rev 11 class 04,00,00
   hdr 80
   (II) PCI: 00:11:1: chip 109e,0878 card , rev 11 class 04,80,00
   hdr 80
   (II) PCI: 00:12:0: chip 10ec,8139 card 10ec,8139 rev 10 class 02,00,00
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: 00:13:0: chip 1274,1371 card 1274,1371 rev 07 class 04,01,00
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 1002,5157 card 148c,2024 rev 00 class 03,00,00
   hdr 00
   (II) PCI: End of PCI scan
   (II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
   (II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is
   set)
   (II) Bus 0 I/O range:
   [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x1) IX[B]
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   [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
   (II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
   [0] -1 0 0x - 0x (0x0) MX[B]
   (II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
   (II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,1), BCTRL: 0x000c (VGA_EN is
   set)
   (II) Bus 1 I/O range:
   [0] -1 0 0xd000 - 0xd0ff (0x100) IX[B]
   [1] -1 0 0xd400 - 0xd4ff (0x100) IX[B]
   [2] -1 0 0xd800 - 0xd8ff (0x100) IX[B]
   [3] -1 0 0xdc00 - 0xdcff (0x100) IX[B]
   (II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
   [0] -1 0 0xdc00 - 0xddff (0x200) MX[B]
   (II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
   [0] -1 0 0xd000 - 0xd7ff (0x800) MX[B]
   (II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
   (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is
   set)
   (II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
   (II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:7:3), (-1,-1,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN i

Re: ruby1.8 segmentation fault

2004-03-06 Thread Jonathan Arnold
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi BSDers, I read the ports/UPDATING about ruby stuff and do accordingly,
after reinstall portupgrade, I did "portupgrade -fr
/usr/ports/land/ruby16" and here it goes:
[Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 435 packages
found (-22 +61) (...)/usr/local/lib/ruby/site_ruby/1.8/pkgdb.rb:467: [BUG]
Segmentation fault
ruby 1.8.1 (2003-12-25) [i386-freebsd4]
Abort (core dumped)

dont' have the balls the mess with this stuff, so...any idea?
I assume you did the first step in UPDATING and did the pkg_delete step,
right? If so, you might try fixing up your package database, with
pkgdb -F.
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USB cameras - Xirlink IBM PC Camera/W9967CF

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
I have the following two cameras on-hand:

kernel: ugen0: WINBOND W9967CF, rev 1.10/1.10, addr 3
kernel: ugen2: Xirlink IBM PC Camera, rev 0.01/0.02, addr 8


I can't find anything to support either of these cameras. Just wondering
whether I've missed something obvious?

It appears that the W9967CF is the chipset used in the Creative Webcam
GO (the device I have does both webcam + single images - ie. can operate
as a digital still camera). It looks like the Xirlink has had a driver
written for Linux (ibmcam). Also the W996[87]CF.

What USB (web-)cameras are recommended?


Thanks,

Wayne





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Re: Getting Cut-Off

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Rishi Chopra wrote:
I connect to the FreeBSD machine via SSH, and use secure file transfer 
to upload/download from the machine.

In the last week, the FreeBSD machine has dropped my connection on 3 
seperate occasions.  I'll queue up some work and leave the machine 
unattended, only to return at a later time and find that the connection 
has been closed.
Is sshd configured with the "KeepAlive" option set?

Does netstat -i or -s report any errors?  Maybe you have a flaky cable?

Do you have any packet-filtering or NAT translation involved on one of the two 
hosts?  [ Your description of the setup suggests no, but the behavior you 
describe can happen if one were using a (busy and/or dumb) stateful firewall... ]

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linux-opera with anti-alias

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Hollaubek
Has anyone succeeded to use the linux-opera port with anti-aliased fonts? 
During installation it says the WITH_XFT2 variable should be set to enable 
aa fonts, and it does install the additional linux packages, though the 
fonts are rendered as usual. I've also tried setting the QT_XFT variable with 
no effect. 

Peter
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Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Chuck McManis wrote:
To put it in perspective, the best way to start USING FreeBSD as opposed 
to acquiring it to develop with, is probably to by an Apple machine with 
OS-X installed. All the integration is handled for you. It pains me that 
there isn't an organization of Apple's caliber providing a complete 
FreeBSD workstation product that I could load on any machine with a 
simple install.
Apple has some advantages when writing an OS to run on their own hardware; 
FreeBSD needs to deal with a much wider variation of hardware than Apple does 
in terms of both quality and complexity.

I use both MacOS X and FreeBSD on a daily basis; they aren't the same OS nor 
do they make although knowledge of one is often useful on the other.  OS X 
auto-defaults to installing everything into a single HFS+ partition, which is 
ideal only in the sense that such an installation avoids having the user make 
a decision about drive partitioning.

That being said, my point is not to disagree with you so much as to say that 
if you think the FreeBSD install should behave differently, you've got the 
sources: make a few changes to streamline the process and see whether other 
people like them.

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Re: calling xterm under KDE

2004-03-06 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi Ed,

Thanks for your advice.

- snip -

> You probably can't. As I am using the term, "window manager" is not an
> applet but a reference to whatever you happen to be using to control
> graphical window behavior on your desktop. It looks like your window
> manager is KDE (which also happens to provide other services so is
> called a "desktop environment" to denote these additional features). My
> window manager is called "blackbox" which has a simple menu
> configuration file where I can input a line for xterm and conveniently
> call it through an item on a neat little pull-up menu.

Noted with thanks.  I am interested to be advised of how to build it.  Pointer 
would be appreciated.

> For you I would suggest that you create a "shortcut" on your desktop.
> You'll need to check with the KDE documentation since I don't actually
> use it but it's probably as simple as right-clicking the desktop with
> your mouse and choosing "new" or something like that and then through
> "properties" type in the full command you want your new shortcut icon
> to invoke.

Noted.  I don't need to create a shortcut.  On Konsole window just type 
'xterm' and hit  to start 'xterm' window.  It works as 'user' as well 
as 'root'

Thanks

B.R.
Stephen

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Re: segmentation fault - jdk4

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Sig Birkmose
I have been experiecing similar problems with 5.2.1.
I noticed when compiling gnome2, which depends on a *lot* of other
packages, gcc simply segfaults a lot. To solve it I just started compiling
again, and the gcc would seg fault again. I continued typing make install
a looot of time until everything was compiled.

However when I compiled smaller projects like pico, bash etc., I had no
problems. Maybe there is some kind of memory leek in the gcc 3.3 version
on fbsd 5.2.1?

I don't think I have a hardware problem either.
Right now I am installing 4.9 on the box, since I found the gcc segfault
behaviour unacceptable. I hope I wont experience the same kind of problems
again...

Cheers,

-- 
Michael Birkmose

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Ricardo Britto wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm running 5.2.1 Release version of FreeBSD, gcc 3.3.3 and I'm
> getting the same error when trying to compile JDK 1.4 from ports:
>
> *any_file_that_changes.c or .h*: *number_that_changes*: compiler
> error: segmentation fault
>
>
> I've searched for information and people say that could be problems
> with gcc or hardware (memory for eg.). I tried to install new version
> of gcc (3.4.0) and still continues using the older (3.3.3), tried the
> 3.2 and the error continues.
>
> About the hardware...everything seems to be fine.
> Do you have any suggestions?
> people through net didn't find any reasonable cause.
>
> I appreciate your attention,
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ricardo
>
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Re: in FreeBSD-4.5R: nl_langinfo() - where is it?

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Charles Bacon wrote:
I've downloaded the FreeBSD 4.5-version of OpenOffice.org1.1.0 -
this is the second version of OpenOffice.org I've tried.
Incanting openoffice-1.1 (or any of the symlinks which point to it)
results in the message
  /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1:
  /usr/local/OpenOffice.org1.1.0/program/libsal.so.3: Undefined symbol
  "nl_langinfo"
The manpage for that function says it's supposed to be in libc, and also says:
"The nl_langinfo() function first appeared in FreeBSD 4.6."
While I would imagine that you could recompile OpenOffice yourself and get a 
binary that will work-- assuming OO autoconfigures itself whether to use that 
function-- it's almost certainly less effort to upgrade to FreeBSD 4.9, which 
would also move you to a more secure/supported version of the OS.

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PS: A few things have changed over the past two years-- /usr/src/UPDATING says 
"20020129: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE"...  :-)

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Re: Questions regarding Sendmail on FreeBSD

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Jason Williams wrote:
I've been playing with Sendmail for a couple of weeks now and I feel 
pretty comfortable with it. Lately, what i've done is just download the 
source code for sendmail and build and compile as needed. It still works 
fine.
There's nothing wrong with that approach, although if you keep up-to-date with 
the FreeBSD sources, you're going to get something which resembles 
sendmail.org releases very closely.

However, I have some questions about how Sendmail comes setup default on 
a FreeBSD system. For instance, there are quite a few directories and 
locations of where sendmail items are located and im confused as to why 
everything is where it is and why there are duplicate files.

For instance:

mail# find / -type d -name sendmail -print
/usr/libexec/sendmail
This is the place where MTA-specific binaries go; see "man mailwrapper" for 
considerations about swapping in a different MTA like Postfix or qmail.

/usr/share/sendmail
This is where the installed cf files are kept for a system that does not have 
sources.

/usr/src/contrib/sendmail
/usr/src/contrib/sendmail/include/sendmail
These are where the real sources are kept.

/usr/src/etc/sendmail
This is a template for /etc/mail which gets generated during the source build 
process.

/usr/src/share/sendmail
Source code repositiory for the cf files mentioned above.

/usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail
This is a link to src/contrib/sendmail

I'm a bit confused on why everything is spread out the way it is and was 
looking for some feedback to help me understand this more.
For instance, if I was to install a patch (lets say the patch if you 
dont have 8.12.10) I would need to navigate to the source directory for 
the default sendmail on FreeBSD...where is that directory?
/usr/src/contrib/sendmail

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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Wayne Sierke wrote:
[ ... ]
I've been having a similar problem, afaict since I moved my server to
5.2-RELEASE from 4.8-RELEASE and to a EPIA 5000 board (from a Pentium
system).
I've not had a disconnection while I've been actively using the
connection but most connections that are left idle get disconnected
after a while (seems to be around 10 to 15 minutes).
[a light blinks!]  By any chance are you enabling APCI and having your machine 
go into power-saving mode after 15 minutes or so?  Your ssh connection won't 
wake up even if your machine does when you come back later... :-)

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Settings atkbd flags to 0x2 in FBSD 4.9

2004-03-06 Thread Michael Sig Birkmose
Hi,

I had some problems with a keyboard in FreeBSD 5.2.1, which I solved with
setting hint.atkbd.0.flags="0x2" in /boot/device.hints

However now I downgraded (or upgraded, depending on how you look on it ;)
to 4.9, because of stability issues with 5.2.1

However, FreeBSD 4.9 does not have device.hints... so how do I set that
flag? Any idea?
Also how could I set it from command line when I boot, if I want to test
it first?

Cheers,

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speedy-CGI and Command 'apxs -q CC' failed

2004-03-06 Thread Noah

Hi!

FreeBSD-STABLE

errors building CGI-SpeedyCGI-2.22 from /usr/ports  - any clues what I am
doing wrong here?


===>  Configuring for p5-CGI-SpeedyCGI-2.22
ERROR: Command 'apxs -q CC' failed.
*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/www/p5-CGI-SpeedyCGI.



thanks in advance,

Noah

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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Remko Lodder
go to /usr/src
and do a make world

then it recompiles everything,

note your uname -a now, and after it, if it worked out, there should be
FreeBSD-4.9-p$something

:) Cheers

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hackerscene

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Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


> install cvsup from the ports,
>
> then change the file in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/

Ok, I did it. ;) However, almost nothing seems updated (see attachment; p.s.
only way I could grab output from Vmware test box).

I put this in my supfile:

--
*default host=cvsup.uk.freebsd.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_9
*default delete use-rel-suffix
*default compress
src-all
--

Will this upgrade me to 4.9 STABLE? I have not recompiled the kernel yet.

Thanks,

- Mark

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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 01:09, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Wayne Sierke wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > I've been having a similar problem, afaict since I moved my server to
> > 5.2-RELEASE from 4.8-RELEASE and to a EPIA 5000 board (from a Pentium
> > system).
> > 
> > I've not had a disconnection while I've been actively using the
> > connection but most connections that are left idle get disconnected
> > after a while (seems to be around 10 to 15 minutes).
> 
> [a light blinks!]  By any chance are you enabling APCI and having your machine 
> go into power-saving mode after 15 minutes or so?  Your ssh connection won't 
> wake up even if your machine does when you come back later... :-)

Ah! Très intéressant! Damn, I don't know why it didn't occur to me to
check, I have to boot my workstation without ACPI because of problems
with X on my graphics card but it never occured to me to ensure it was
disabled on the server.

Ok, time to go rummaging but in the meantime (in case a response turns
up before I find the answers)...

Can I disable ACPI with the server running, or am I going to have to
restart?

What's the best way to disable ACPI (for unattended booting)? (eg. a
hint setting, or requires a recompile, etc.).


Incidentally, this isn't the case for the workstation(s), I've
definitely had (user) sessions where not even the screensaver has kicked
in but ssh connections have still died when left idle for long enough.
Besides which I get the same behaviour when running putty.exe under
Windows.



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Re: Getting Cut-Off

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 00:06, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Rishi Chopra wrote:
> > I connect to the FreeBSD machine via SSH, and use secure file transfer 
> > to upload/download from the machine.
> > 
> > In the last week, the FreeBSD machine has dropped my connection on 3 
> > seperate occasions.  I'll queue up some work and leave the machine 
> > unattended, only to return at a later time and find that the connection 
> > has been closed.
> 
> Is sshd configured with the "KeepAlive" option set?
> 
man sshd_config says KeepAlive is enabled by default. The commented-out
entry in sshd_config is:

#KeepAlive yes


Looking at some other entries I guess these represent the defaults
according to the man page. Is there any reason not to trust that sshd
has KeepAlive enabled by default?

Is KeepAlive an issue at all, if the link is not subject to disruption?

> Does netstat -i or -s report any errors?  Maybe you have a flaky cable?
> 
> Do you have any packet-filtering or NAT translation involved on one of the two 
> hosts?  [ Your description of the setup suggests no, but the behavior you 
> describe can happen if one were using a (busy and/or dumb) stateful firewall... ]



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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck Swiger
Wayne Sierke wrote:
On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 01:09, Chuck Swiger wrote:
[ ... ]
Can I disable ACPI with the server running, or am I going to have to
restart?
acpiconf -d

What's the best way to disable ACPI (for unattended booting)? (eg. a
hint setting, or requires a recompile, etc.).
See "man acpi" and related manpages; there are will be the sysctls one could 
use directly or in /boot/loader.conf...

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no prefix errors.

2004-03-06 Thread Lute Mullenix
I am having problems with portupgrade not being able to install
newer versions of my installed ports because the old version
will not deinstall. Here is the output from a forced deinstall
of bonobo.

agnes# pkg_deinstall -f bonobo-1.0.22
[Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 443
packages found (-1 +0) (...) done]--->  Deinstalling
'bonobo-1.0.22' pkg_delete: package 'bonobo-1.0.22' is required
by these other packages and may not be deinstalled (but I'll
delete it anyway): bonobo-conf-0.16_1
gal-0.24_1
gnomedb-0.2.96_2
gnucash-1.8.8_1
gtkhtml-1.1.10_3
guppi-0.40.3_4
libgda-0.2.96_2
libglade-0.17_3
py-gtk-0.6.10_1
pkg_delete: package 'bonobo-1.0.22' doesn't have a prefix
** The following packages were not deinstalled (*:skipped /
!:failed)! bonobo-1.0.22 (pkg_delete failed)

I have two or three that do this to me, and with bonobo, it is
causing problems with dependency issues. Can someone please
tell me what is going on here, and what I can do about it?

Thank you.

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Fax software question

2004-03-06 Thread Stephen Liu
Hi all folks,

I need to install a fax software to fax text documents.

$ make search name=fax | grep fax
Port:   acfax-0.981011_1
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/acfax
Port:   efax-0.9a-001114a7
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/efax
Port:   gfax-0.5
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/gfax
Port:   ghfaxviewer-0.22.0_2
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/ghfaxviewer
Port:   hylafax-4.1.7
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/hylafax
Port:   tkhylafax-3.2b
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/tkhylafax
Port:   tkscanfax-1.02
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/tkscanfax
Port:   viewfax-2.3
Path:   /usr/ports/comms/viewfax

# which acfax
# which acfax
# which efax
# which gfax
# which ghfaxview
# which hylafx
# which tkhylafax
# which tkscanfax
t# which viewfax
all : Command not found.

I suppose they have not been installed.  Kindly advise which of them is easy 
to config and suitable to fax text document.

TIA

B.R.
Stephen

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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Malcolm Kay
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:26, Wayne Sierke wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 16:45, Rishi Chopra wrote:
> > I have two machines in my loft (a FreeBSD server and a Win2k box)
> > connected via CAT5 crossover cable.
> >
> > I connect to the FreeBSD machine via SSH, and use secure file transfer
> > to upload/download from the machine.
> >
> > In the last week, the FreeBSD machine has dropped my connection on 3
> > seperate occasions.  I'll queue up some work and leave the machine
> > unattended, only to return at a later time and find that the connection
> > has been closed.
> >
> > No one else has physical access to the area when this occurs; can anyone
> > tell me what's going on or what I need to do in order to keep from being
> > disconnected in the future?
> >
> > Unfortunately the file transfer client portion of SSH Secure Shell is
> > very poor at resuming queued work, so this is starting to cause me an
> > inconvinience.
>
> I've been having a similar problem, afaict since I moved my server to
> 5.2-RELEASE from 4.8-RELEASE and to a EPIA 5000 board (from a Pentium
> system).
>
> I've not had a disconnection while I've been actively using the
> connection but most connections that are left idle get disconnected
> after a while (seems to be around 10 to 15 minutes). This happens
> consistently at the moment from my development system which can be
> running any of 5.2-RELEASE, Windows 98SE or Windows 2000 and has been
> seen to occur on another couple of systems. My suspicions currently lie
> with the on-board network adapter on the EPIA board using the vr driver
> but I have no direct evidence to support it, other than I don't recall
> ever seeing it with my old server.
>

We have installed 15 EPIA systems and in a few months have had 3 mother 
boards replaced for problems with the on board vr interface.

A bit of a search reveals a large number of reported problems from most
version of BSD, Linux and even the odd MS user. Some have added a PCI NIC.
Others swear they have no problems and that their systems are solid.

There seems to be some hint that interference from the power supply gets into
and upsets the interface a few months down the track when the ESR of the
power supply capacitors increases.

Malcolm

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> Wayne
>
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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-06T14:53:44Z, "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> and do a make world

Mark: don't literally do a "make world".  Follow the instructions in
/usr/src/UPDATING instead.
-- 
Kirk Strauser

"94 outdated ports on the box,
 94 outdated ports.
 Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done,
 82 outdated ports on the box."


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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Edmund Craske
This isn't 4.9-STABLE, of course, but the security patch branch
of 4.9-RELEASE. Hope this does the job for you all the same.
If you actually want STABLE, the cvs tag needs to be RELENG_4
rather than RELENG_4_9.

Ed

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Remko Lodder
> Sent: 06 March 2004 14:54
> To: Mark; Edmund Craske
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> go to /usr/src
> and do a make world
> 
> then it recompiles everything,
> 
> note your uname -a now, and after it, if it worked out, there 
> should be FreeBSD-4.9-p$something
> 
> :) Cheers
> 
> --
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Remko Lodder
> Elvandar.org/DSINet.org
> www.mostly-harmless.nl Dutch community for helping newcomers 
> on the hackerscene
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Verzonden: zaterdag 6 maart 2004 15:47
> Aan: Remko Lodder; Edmund Craske
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Onderwerp: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Edmund Craske" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> > install cvsup from the ports,
> >
> > then change the file in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/
> 
> Ok, I did it. ;) However, almost nothing seems updated (see 
> attachment; p.s. only way I could grab output from Vmware test box).
> 
> I put this in my supfile:
> 
> --
> *default host=cvsup.uk.freebsd.org
> *default base=/usr
> *default prefix=/usr
> *default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4_9
> *default delete use-rel-suffix
> *default compress
> src-all
> --
> 
> Will this upgrade me to 4.9 STABLE? I have not recompiled the 
> kernel yet.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> - Mark
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Enabling quotas

2004-03-06 Thread Robert Fitzpatrick
I am running 5.2.1 and trying to enable quotas, I see that I need to
build and install my own custom kernel to support this? I read the
Chapter 9 in the Handbook, but don't quite understand one thing. I can't
seem to locate what changes I need to make to the new kernel
configuration  before building it in order to enable quotas. Can someone
clarify this for me?

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Re: kernel panic messages?

2004-03-06 Thread Ben Paley
On Thursday 04 March 2004 7:37 pm, you wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:07:04PM +, Ben Paley wrote:
> > I want to submit information about a kernel panic which happens at boot
> > time. The machine reboots and I can boot kernel.old: where do I find the
> > logs and traces and things I might need to show to someone who knows what
> > they're doing?
>
> You need to setup your machine to capture the appropriate data after
> the panic.  There's general information about how to do that in a
> series of articles here:
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/03/21/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/04/04/Big_Scary_Daemons.html

I've got myself a core dump and a kernel.debug, and I know at least enough to 
start gdb - thanks to the articles you pointed me to: thanks for that (I 
don't really know what I'm doing, however).

I tried submitting a trancript of my gdb session to the freebsd-current list, 
but haven't had a reply, which I guess is my fault for some ignorance of 
something... what do I need to include, do you think, to make my request 
acceptable to the busy people on the list? (Obviously you are not busy at all 
and I can waste your time as much as I like ;-) Apart from making sure I'm 
working with recent sources.

Or is it worth posting it all on this list?

What this all really means, of course, is that I'm too ignorant to be running 
current at all. But now that I'm here... well, thanks for your help, anyway.

Cheers,
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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 01:37, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> Wayne Sierke wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 01:09, Chuck Swiger wrote:
> [ ... ]
> > Can I disable ACPI with the server running, or am I going to have to
> > restart?
> 
> acpiconf -d
> 
Ok, did this.

> > What's the best way to disable ACPI (for unattended booting)? (eg. a
> > hint setting, or requires a recompile, etc.).
> 
> See "man acpi" and related manpages; there are will be the sysctls one could 
> use directly or in /boot/loader.conf...

Ok. Following the instructions in acpi(4) I've added:

hint.acpi.0.disabled="1"


to /boot/device.hints

The acpiconf -d doesn't appear to have resolved it. :(

I left a ssh session open but it's disconnected after being left sitting
at a shell prompt:

# Read from remote host au.dyndns.ws: Connection reset by peer
Connection to au.dyndns.ws closed.


Guess I"ll have to wait and see after the next reboot whether having
ACPI disabled right from the start will make any difference.


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forward after procmail filtering.

2004-03-06 Thread Eduardo Viruena Silva

Hello FreeBSD Gurus!

I would like to send a copy of my mail to another
account I have in another system, but I want to do it after
spamassassin and clamav filter my mail.

How do I do that?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: calling xterm under KDE

2004-03-06 Thread Scott W
Ed Budd wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 19:14:13 +0800
Stephen Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

- snip -

You can add the fontsize as a parameter when you invoke it, like
this:
xterm -fn 

I use 'xterm -fn 9x15' on a high res monitor and set it (along with
some other params) in my window manager (blackbox) menu config.
Hi Ed,

Where can I find "window manager"?  From 'Control Center' ok KDE?

# menu config
menu: Command not found.
# menuconfig
menuconfig: Command not found
Kindly advise.  TIA

B.R.
Stephen Liu


You probably can't. As I am using the term, "window manager" is not an
applet but a reference to whatever you happen to be using to control
graphical window behavior on your desktop. It looks like your window
manager is KDE (which also happens to provide other services so is
called a "desktop environment" to denote these additional features). My
window manager is called "blackbox" which has a simple menu
configuration file where I can input a line for xterm and conveniently
call it through an item on a neat little pull-up menu.
For you I would suggest that you create a "shortcut" on your desktop.
You'll need to check with the KDE documentation since I don't actually
use it but it's probably as simple as right-clicking the desktop with
your mouse and choosing "new" or something like that and then through
"properties" type in the full command you want your new shortcut icon
to invoke.
EB
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You can do this pretty easily in KDE- right click on the Panel, go to 
Add/Special Button/Non-KDE Application, which will open a file browser. 
 navigate to the xterm binary, and then pass the options to it, in this 
case for fonts.  You can also create a resource file to set the defaults 
for font sizes and others, then source it via xrdb . 
Most of the *term programs are all considered XTerm derivatives, so will 
honor their resource hints.

I missed the start of this thread, but running a seriously 
'heavy-weight' Window Manager/Desktop Environment like KDE and then a 
less resource intensive console seems a bit odd...but I'd suggest taking 
a look at aterm- it's a derivative of rxvt, less than half the footprint 
of xterm (which is less than half the size of 'konsole' already), 
supports transparency if that's your thing...

A sample .Xresources (can be named anything, but needs to be sourced via 
.xinitrc or other X startup means), could look like:

Xterm*loginShell: true
XTerm*scrollBar:  true
XTerm*saveLines:1500
XTerm*background: black
XTerm*foreground: white
aterm*transparent: true
aterm*transpscrollbar: true
#aterm*tinting: light blue
aterm*foreground: white
aterm*shading: 40
They could actually be changed to:
*term*loginShell: true
*term*scrollBar:  true
etc etc and thus affect both XTerm and aterm both explicitly, but aterm 
in this case will still honor the XTerm* settings unless overridden via 
an equal aterm* setting.  You can also set the default fonts and or 
sizes as well...

Blackbox is pretty slick as a minimal WM, although I've got to say I 
never got Rox-Filer working as expected, one of the few things I 
begrudgingly miss from the KDE apps (konqueror, even if it is sort of a 
pig on resources).  Blackbox does however, fix one of the only other 
issues of the 'desktop environments' (GNOME, KDE) that I've come to 
like- tabbed consoles.  If Rox-Filer or another app could replace close 
to konqueror functionality, and perhaps offer a decent panel app (the 
slit is nice, but I don't like their pager/panel much), I'd likely be 
able to remove the KDE libs from all my systems happily ;-)

Scott

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Portupgrade and db/db2

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
What would be the best way to handle this in portupgrade?

[Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 321 packages 
found (-0 +1) . done]
** Package name changed from 'db' (databases/db2) to 'db2' (databases/db2).
** No need to upgrade 'db-2.7.7_1' (>= db2-2.7.7_1). (specify -f to force)

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

> At 2004-03-06T14:53:44Z, "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > and do a make world

> Mark: don't literally do a "make world".  Follow the instructions
> in /usr/src/UPDATING instead.

Thanks. I did the usual:

cd /usr/src/
make buildkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
make installkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST

And:

cd /usr/src/
make buildworld
make installworld

Took a wee while, but that did the trick. :)

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:25 am, Mark wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
>
> > At 2004-03-06T14:53:44Z, "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > and do a make world
> >
> > Mark: don't literally do a "make world".  Follow the instructions
> > in /usr/src/UPDATING instead.

Doing a make world is perfectly acceptable. It's considered the "traditional" 
way of doing things, and accomplishes the same results.

If your going to inform users NOT to do one way opposed to another, at least 
give specifics as to why you feel that way.

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Edmund Craske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Remko Lodder'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?


> This isn't 4.9-STABLE, of course, but the security patch branch
> of 4.9-RELEASE. Hope this does the job for you all the same.
> If you actually want STABLE, the cvs tag needs to be RELENG_4
> rather than RELENG_4_9.

Thanks. Yes, I already figured this out, and compiled with the RELENG_4 tag.
:)

Yes, I wanted STABLE, because, allegedly, it has support for the Promise
8237 SATA controller I plan to use:

http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/4-STABLE/hardware/i386/x27.html#AEN33

P.S. I added "ports-all" to my supfile; the entire ports tree got deleted;
but I did not get anything back! That was not cool. But I grabbed the entire
tar.gz from the FreeBSD website, and installed it manually again.

Everything seems fine again. Thanks again.

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:29 am, Chris wrote:
> On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:25 am, Mark wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> >
> > > At 2004-03-06T14:53:44Z, "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > and do a make world
> > >
> > > Mark: don't literally do a "make world".  Follow the instructions
> > > in /usr/src/UPDATING instead.
>
> Doing a make world is perfectly acceptable. It's considered the
> "traditional" way of doing things, and accomplishes the same results.
>
> If your going to inform users NOT to do one way opposed to another, at
> least give specifics as to why you feel that way.

To follow up - the reason for the UPDATING file and the layout of rebuilding 
your system is to guide users that are upgrading from 4.x to 5.x

You will see vast changes in the way the kernel is handled in 5.x along 
with /dev

However, reading that file explains this in detail. Simply moving from 
4.9-RELEASE to 4.9-STABLE and the patches isn't considered a major upgrade.

A simple rebuild of the kernel and a simple make world does work well in this 
instance.

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:34 am, Mark wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edmund Craske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Remko Lodder'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark'"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
>
> > This isn't 4.9-STABLE, of course, but the security patch branch
> > of 4.9-RELEASE. Hope this does the job for you all the same.
> > If you actually want STABLE, the cvs tag needs to be RELENG_4
> > rather than RELENG_4_9.
>
> Thanks. Yes, I already figured this out, and compiled with the RELENG_4
> tag.
>
> :)
>
> Yes, I wanted STABLE, because, allegedly, it has support for the Promise
> 8237 SATA controller I plan to use:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/4-STABLE/hardware/i386/x27.html#AEN33
>
> P.S. I added "ports-all" to my supfile; the entire ports tree got deleted;
> but I did not get anything back! That was not cool. But I grabbed the
> entire tar.gz from the FreeBSD website, and installed it manually again.
>
> Everything seems fine again. Thanks again.
>
> - Mark

CVSup of the src and the ports generally are 2 files. Look for a ports-supfile
in src/share/examples/cvsup/
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RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Edmund Craske
What happened here is that the ports tree only has a HEAD
or . tag, and it was trying to get the RELENG_4 tagged
ports collection, which doesn't exist. Best if you use a
separate ports supfile.

Ed

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 06 March 2004 17:35
> To: Edmund Craske
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Edmund Craske" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Remko Lodder'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "'Mark'" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:10 PM
> Subject: RE: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> 
> 
> > This isn't 4.9-STABLE, of course, but the security patch branch of 
> > 4.9-RELEASE. Hope this does the job for you all the same. If you 
> > actually want STABLE, the cvs tag needs to be RELENG_4 rather than 
> > RELENG_4_9.
> 
> Thanks. Yes, I already figured this out, and compiled with 
> the RELENG_4 tag.
> :)
> 
> Yes, I wanted STABLE, because, allegedly, it has support for 
> the Promise 8237 SATA controller I plan to use:
> 
http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/4-STABLE/hardware/i386/x27.html#AEN33

P.S. I added "ports-all" to my supfile; the entire ports tree got deleted; but I did 
not get anything back! That was not cool. But I
grabbed the entire tar.gz from the FreeBSD website, and installed it manually again.

Everything seems fine again. Thanks again.

- Mark


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Re: Problems (Still) Mounting CDROM

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck McManis
At 02:04 AM 3/6/2004, Rishi Chopra wrote:
What if the drive is recognized by the BIOS?
Then you know its cabled correctly. It can still be misjumpered or bad. 
FBSD doesn't use the bios functions to talk to the drive.

--Chuck

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Re: kernel panic messages?

2004-03-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 04:32:18PM +, Ben Paley wrote:
> On Thursday 04 March 2004 7:37 pm, you wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 04, 2004 at 06:07:04PM +, Ben Paley wrote:
> > > I want to submit information about a kernel panic which happens at boot
> > > time. The machine reboots and I can boot kernel.old: where do I find the
> > > logs and traces and things I might need to show to someone who knows what
> > > they're doing?
> >
> > You need to setup your machine to capture the appropriate data after
> > the panic.  There's general information about how to do that in a
> > series of articles here:
> >
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/03/21/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
> > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/04/04/Big_Scary_Daemons.html
> 
> I've got myself a core dump and a kernel.debug, and I know at least enough to 
> start gdb - thanks to the articles you pointed me to: thanks for that (I 
> don't really know what I'm doing, however).
> 
> I tried submitting a trancript of my gdb session to the freebsd-current list, 
> but haven't had a reply, which I guess is my fault for some ignorance of 
> something... what do I need to include, do you think, to make my request 
> acceptable to the busy people on the list? (Obviously you are not busy at all 
> and I can waste your time as much as I like ;-) Apart from making sure I'm 
> working with recent sources.

Give it a while.  Someone may yet reply.

> Or is it worth posting it all on this list?
> 
> What this all really means, of course, is that I'm too ignorant to be running 
> current at all. But now that I'm here... well, thanks for your help, anyway.

We all have to learn somewhere.  I'm no expert on the intricacies of
kernel debugging, but these lines:

Error while reading shared library symbols:
rtc.ko: No such file or directory.

#11 0xc05f3b8d in linker_load_file (filename=0xc37f9320 
"/usr/local/modules/rtc.ko", result=0xd7654cb0) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_linker.c:357


I should think are the key to the problems you're seeing.  What is
/usr/local/modules/rtc.ko ?  Does it exist on your machine, and if so,
Where does it come from?  As far as I know RTC means 'real time
clock', and I don't think it's the sort of device that you'ld
generally have a loadable module for.  Whatever it is, it seems to be
the ACPI modules that are triggering the attempt to load it.  You
should review your kernel config, comparing it against GENERIC and the
various NOTES files to make sure you haven't made any mistakes.

But, yes -- generally unless you're prepared to cope with crashes and
do some debugging work, you shouldn't be running current.  What
happens if you CVS up the latest RELENG_5_2 sources, do a full
buildworld, etc. cycle and then try your custom kernel config.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: kernel panic messages?

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
On Saturday 06 March 2004 12:13 pm, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> But, yes -- generally unless you're prepared to cope with crashes and
> do some debugging work, you shouldn't be running current.  What
> happens if you CVS up the latest RELENG_5_2 sources, do a full
> buildworld, etc. cycle and then try your custom kernel config.
>
>   Cheers,
>
>   Matthew


5.2.1 deals with security issues and kernel panics. Perhaps this may help? I'm 
jumping in late on this thread - so forgive me if this was mentioned.

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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Wayne Sierke
On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 02:14, Malcolm Kay wrote:
> We have installed 15 EPIA systems and in a few months have had 3 mother 
> boards replaced for problems with the on board vr interface.
> 
> A bit of a search reveals a large number of reported problems from most
> version of BSD, Linux and even the odd MS user. Some have added a PCI NIC.
> Others swear they have no problems and that their systems are solid.
> 
> There seems to be some hint that interference from the power supply gets into
> and upsets the interface a few months down the track when the ESR of the
> power supply capacitors increases.
> 

Ouch. Doesn't sound promising.

What's making it harder to diagnose is that there aren't any messages
left anywhere but the client. According to sshd_config(5) the default
LogLevel is INFO which should be enough to show up connection timeouts?
Mind you, it's interesting that there isn't anything logged at all for
the dropped connections, would've hoped that that might have rated an
INFO level message of iteslf? (I do see messages from sshd in
/var/log/messages - all failed logins).

There aren't any messages relating to the network interface either, that
I can see. Chuck suggested in another message to check the interface for
errors. I can't see anything that looks untoward, maybe someone with a
better understanding could cast their trained eye over my netstat
output? (See [EMAIL PROTECTED]/sysinfo/netstat.php?opts=[is] - replace
the 'at' with a period and the double-u with a dubyah, use either i or s
as the argument, defaults to 'i').

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problem with Opera connecting to webserver on local network

2004-03-06 Thread Karel J. Bosschaart
Hi,

I'm using a FreeBSD 4.9 machine to connect to an ADSL ethernet modem
(using rl0). With a second NIC (rl1) it serves as a gateway for my other 
machines on the local network using natd. Works fine and as expected. 
A more detailed layout/config can be found at 
http://kayjay.xs4all.nl/connection .

The machine also runs Apache 1.3.29, and it can be accessed without 
problems from 'outside', ie. over the modem/outgoing NIC (rl0). When 
accessing the webserver over the internal network (rl1) however, it doesn't 
always work as I want. I suspect a problem with the Apache configuration 
but the behaviour seems to depend on the browser/OS I use on the machine
(triple boot W2K, -stable, -current) on the local network:

Opera 7.23, -stable: no problem.
Opera 7.23, -current: can't access the server by it's hostname, but
using the IP of rl1 works as long as nothing is appended to the
IP (http://192.168.0.4 works, http://192.168.0.4/somedir does *not* work).
Konqueror, -current: no problem (which shows that the problem with
Opera is not a resolver issue, right?). 

I haven't used W2K for a while but AFAIR IE has the same problem as
Opera 7.23 on -current.

Using tcpdump on the server I found that the requests from Opera 7.23 
on -current are answered by the webserver on the outgoing NIC instead of
the local NIC, which obviously causes the problem. The requests from 
Konqueror are properly answered on the local NIC rl1.

So my questions: how to make Opera (my favourite browser) work properly
in -current? Is this a problem with the Apache server configuration, natd 
configuration, browser configuration or something else?

I browsed through the Apache configuration file, the Apache FAQ and
googled for 'Apache multiple NIC' and others but didn't find anything 
relevant. Any pointer appreciated! 

Karel.
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deleting lost+found directory

2004-03-06 Thread Vincent Poy
Hi everyone:

On one of my disks that has no files in it mounted as /mnt/usr,
fsck is creating the lost+found directory and underneath each one are
directories named starting with # that is empty, is there anyway to remove
these?  Thanks.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [10:26am][/mnt/usr/lost+found] >> dir
total 56
drw-rw-rw-   20 root  wheel  -   512 Mar  6 10:16 #5558272
drwxr-xr-x5 root  wheel  -   512 Mar  4 04:00 #7018496
drwxrwxrwx  108 root  wheel  -  8704 Mar  1 04:00 #7206914
drwxr-xr-x   43 root  wheel  -  1024 Mar  4 04:00 #7254025
drwxr-xr-x  118 root  wheel  -  2048 Mar  4 04:00 #7254167
drwx--7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 .
drwxr-xr-x   23 root  wheel  -   512 Mar  6 10:16 ..
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [10:26am][/mnt/usr/lost+found] >> dir *
#5558272:
total 38
drw-rw-rw-  20 root  wheel  -   512 Mar  6 10:16 .
drwx--   7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 ..

#7018496:
total 38
drwxr-xr-x  5 root  wheel  -   512 Mar  4 04:00 .
drwx--  7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 ..

#7206914:
total 46
drwxrwxrwx  108 root  wheel  -  8704 Mar  1 04:00 .
drwx--7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 ..

#7254025:
total 38
drwxr-xr-x  43 root  wheel  -  1024 Mar  4 04:00 .
drwx--   7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 ..

#7254167:
total 38
drwxr-xr-x  118 root  wheel  -  2048 Mar  4 04:00 .
drwx--7 root  wheel  - 35840 Mar  6 10:16 ..


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Re: Enabling quotas

2004-03-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 11:30:07AM -0500, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I am running 5.2.1 and trying to enable quotas, I see that I need to
> build and install my own custom kernel to support this? I read the
> Chapter 9 in the Handbook, but don't quite understand one thing. I can't
> seem to locate what changes I need to make to the new kernel
> configuration  before building it in order to enable quotas. Can someone
> clarify this for me?

You need to add the line:

options  QUOTA

to your kernel configuration.  If this is the first time you've ever
got your feet wet with kernel compilation, start off with something
very close to GENERIC.  In fact, copy GENERIC to YOURKERNCONF, edit
YOURKERNCONF to change the 'ident' line so it reads:

ident YOURKERNCONF

and add the 'options QUOTA' line at the end of the big block of
options stuff that follows next in the file.

Then build yourself a kernel, install it and reboot, following the
instructions in the Hadbook for the exact way to do that.  With such a
minimal change, you're pretty much assured of success.  You can
develop a more highly customized kernel with minimal risk of failure
by making small incremental changes in this manner, at least until you
run out of patience with repeatedly recompiling the kernel.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: forward after procmail filtering.

2004-03-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 11:05:35AM -0600, Eduardo Viruena Silva wrote:

> I would like to send a copy of my mail to another
> account I have in another system, but I want to do it after
> spamassassin and clamav filter my mail.
> 
> How do I do that?

See procmailex(5), particularly the section that talks about "Suppose
you have two accounts" -- but essentially you need to put a rule like
this towards the end of your ~/.procmailrc:

:0 c
* !^X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| formail -A "X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" | \
   $SENDMAIL -oi [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cheers,

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Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD

2004-03-06 Thread Chuck McManis
At 06:00 AM 3/6/2004, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Chuck McManis wrote:
To put it in perspective, the best way to start USING FreeBSD as opposed 
to acquiring it to develop with, is probably to by an Apple machine with 
OS-X installed. All the integration is handled for you. It pains me that 
there isn't an organization of Apple's caliber providing a complete 
FreeBSD workstation product that I could load on any machine with a 
simple install.
Apple has some advantages when writing an OS to run on their own hardware; 
FreeBSD needs to deal with a much wider variation of hardware than Apple 
does in terms of both quality and complexity.
Well until 5.x the FreeBSD problem was no more difficult than the one 
Microsoft dealt with :-) I agree that if you limit supported configs it 
makes install easier.

I use both MacOS X and FreeBSD on a daily basis; they aren't the same OS 
nor do they make although knowledge of one is often useful on the 
other.  OS X auto-defaults to installing everything into a single HFS+ 
partition, which is ideal only in the sense that such an installation 
avoids having the user make a decision about drive partitioning.
That is a good example of a "user centric choice." Most application users 
(non-developers) derive little benefit from having multiple file systems.

That being said, my point is not to disagree with you so much as to say 
that if you think the FreeBSD install should behave differently, you've 
got the sources: make a few changes to streamline the process and see 
whether other people like them.
And my point was that the primary population of people who would have an 
opinion would be developers who violently disagree that there should be an 
"easy" or "dumbed down" install process. Did I mention that I also was the 
manager (acting) for the group that owned "Sun Install" at Sun 15 years ago 
? (God that makes me feel old :-) The current install program has many 
external similarities to that one. I've heard all of the arguments, no one 
at Sun would tolerate an "EZ" installer and I doubt hardly anyone here 
would as well. Part of the problem is that interaction between installation 
and the need to have the developers provide hooks for it. The package 
system is quite good and frankly I think passes muster for both newbie/app 
user/ and developer alike. The XFree86 configuration/install is pretty 
horrific if you don't know much about computers (asking for the chip used 
in the video card? please!)

My observation is that this is the sort of battle/change that cannot be 
manifested in an open source community. If you're familiar with the 
Cathedral and the Bazaar paper, its impossible to get everyone in the 
Bazaar to be quiet so that one person might speak to everyone at once. 
Conversely its impossible in the open source model to have one requirement 
impart requirements on everyone else. It just isn't in the nature of the 
community to accept such a constraint, and in parts of the community the 
hint of something like that generates huge antibodies.

--Chuck

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Usability Of NOCLEAN

2004-03-06 Thread Peter Schultz
Hi,

I'm just curious about the usability of NOCLEAN.  If I've just updated 
world and things are fine with the installation, is it considered safe 
to use NOCLEAN?  A couple updates to libc came in this morning just 
after I installed a fresh world and I'm wondering what others do in 
cases like this.

Thanks,
Pete...
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Re: kernel panic messages?

2004-03-06 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:16:51PM -0600, Chris wrote:
> On Saturday 06 March 2004 12:13 pm, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > But, yes -- generally unless you're prepared to cope with crashes and
> > do some debugging work, you shouldn't be running current.  What
> > happens if you CVS up the latest RELENG_5_2 sources, do a full
> > buildworld, etc. cycle and then try your custom kernel config.
> 
> 5.2.1 deals with security issues and kernel panics. Perhaps this may help? I'm 
> jumping in late on this thread - so forgive me if this was mentioned.

Yes -- and 5.2.1-RELEASE-p1 is the system version you will obtain by
cvsup'ing the latest RELENG_5_2 sources and building the world, as I
suggested.

See:


http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh?rev=1.56.2.8&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&only_with_tag=RELENG_5_2

Cheers,

Matthew

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2004-03-06 Thread Thomas P. Galla
Freebsd:


What can I do about sending a box to china to do a vpn back to the states ? Just 
download from a china site for the encryption ? And only use 40 bit encrytion ?


Thomas

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5.2.1 hanging on boot

2004-03-06 Thread Aaron Walker
I just installed 5.2.1 and upon boot, it hangs at:

Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2153331273 Hz quality 800
Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec

It also did this when trying to boot via the 5.2.1 install CD, which was
circumvented by booting via floppy... 

It does not do this with 4.9. 

any ideas?

Thanks,
Aaron


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Re: Usability Of NOCLEAN

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 10:37 am, Peter Schultz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm just curious about the usability of NOCLEAN.  If I've just
> updated world and things are fine with the installation, is it
> considered safe to use NOCLEAN?  A couple updates to libc came in
> this morning just after I installed a fresh world and I'm wondering
> what others do in cases like this.
>

I use NOCLEAN when I have had a build die. If I can fix it, I do and 
then continue on with NOCLEAN. If changes to something like libc come 
in, every module on your system may use it and I don't think a NOCLEAN 
is appropriate.

You don't have to update for every little change that comes across. Why 
fix something if it isn't broken :).

Kent

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Re: Portupgrade and db/db2

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 09:20 am, Chris wrote:
> What would be the best way to handle this in portupgrade?
>
> [Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 321
> packages found (-0 +1) . done]
> ** Package name changed from 'db' (databases/db2) to 'db2'
> (databases/db2). ** No need to upgrade 'db-2.7.7_1' (>= db2-2.7.7_1).
> (specify -f to force)

I don't think you can. It has been my experience that portupgrade won't 
run until you have fixed it. Everything that uses it will also have to 
be fixed but portsdb will often present you with the choices y/n/[a]ll 
and all will fix the rest.

Kent

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Re: Portupgrade and db/db2

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:12 am, Kent Stewart wrote:
> On Saturday 06 March 2004 09:20 am, Chris wrote:
> > What would be the best way to handle this in portupgrade?
> >
> > [Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 321
> > packages found (-0 +1) . done]
> > ** Package name changed from 'db' (databases/db2) to 'db2'
> > (databases/db2). ** No need to upgrade 'db-2.7.7_1' (>=
> > db2-2.7.7_1). (specify -f to force)
>
> I don't think you can. It has been my experience that portupgrade
> won't run until you have fixed it. Everything that uses it will also
> have to be fixed but portsdb will often present you with the choices
> y/n/[a]ll and all will fix the rest.


I did it again. Portsdb should read pkgdb.

Kent

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Re: USB cameras - Xirlink IBM PC Camera/W9967CF

2004-03-06 Thread Vulpes Velox
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 23:59:03 +1030
Wayne Sierke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have the following two cameras on-hand:
> 
> kernel: ugen0: WINBOND W9967CF, rev 1.10/1.10, addr 3
> kernel: ugen2: Xirlink IBM PC Camera, rev 0.01/0.02, addr 8
> 
> 
> I can't find anything to support either of these cameras. Just
> wondering whether I've missed something obvious?

Try Gphoto it may be supported...

> It appears that the W9967CF is the chipset used in the Creative
> Webcam GO (the device I have does both webcam + single images - ie.
> can operate as a digital still camera). It looks like the Xirlink
> has had a driver written for Linux (ibmcam). Also the W996[87]CF.
> 
> What USB (web-)cameras are recommended?

Find one that works as either a umass device, as in doubles as a usb
hdd, or find one that uses mmc/sd/whatever and then get a usb card
reader... that is for digital cameras thought... for actual live
feed, it is best to get a old bktr card and a cheap ntsc camera or
something of the like...
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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-06T17:29:13Z, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Doing a make world is perfectly acceptable. It's considered the
> "traditional" way of doing things, and accomplishes the same results.

No, it doesn't.  Specifically, it skips the reboot and mergemaster between
the installkernel and installworld steps, which means that you'll end up
running a new userspace against an old kernel and /etc for a little while.

> If your going to inform users NOT to do one way opposed to another, at
> least give specifics as to why you feel that way.

There you have it.  "make world" is *not* the recommended upgrade process
anymore.  The new method is detailed in UPDATING.
-- 
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"94 outdated ports on the box,
 94 outdated ports.
 Portupgrade one, an hour 'til done,
 82 outdated ports on the box."


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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-03-06T17:25:37Z, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> cd /usr/src/
> make buildkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
> make installkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
>
> And:
>
> cd /usr/src/
> make buildworld
> make installworld
>
> Took a wee while, but that did the trick. :)

That did *a* trick, but not the one you wanted.  You need to make buildworld
before make buildkernel.
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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 09:29 am, Chris wrote:
> On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:25 am, Mark wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
> >
> > > At 2004-03-06T14:53:44Z, "Remko Lodder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:
> > > > and do a make world
> > >
> > > Mark: don't literally do a "make world".  Follow the instructions
> > > in /usr/src/UPDATING instead.
>
> Doing a make world is perfectly acceptable. It's considered the
> "traditional" way of doing things, and accomplishes the same results.
>
> If your going to inform users NOT to do one way opposed to another,
> at least give specifics as to why you feel that way.

That is really true. If you had done a make world going from 5.1 to 5.2, 
you would have had to use the fixit disk to recover your system. If 
that didn't work, you would have had to do a reinstall. The only safe 
step is make kernel. The rest are separated for your benefit. 

There was an upgrade in the binutils by O'Brien around 4.0 or 4.1 and 
make world didn't work there either. There have also been a few 
occasions when a new kernel would immediately panic. If you found this 
out during your boot to single user mode, it wasn't a big deal because 
you could load the old kernel and continue as if nothing was wrong 
until it was fixed. If you had used make world and you had a completely 
updated system, recovery was much more involved.

Kent

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Mark
- Original Message - 
From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

At 2004-03-06T17:25:37Z, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> cd /usr/src/
> > make buildkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
> > make installkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
> >
> > And:
> >
> > cd /usr/src/
> > make buildworld
> > make installworld
> >
> > Took a wee while, but that did the trick. :)
>
> That did *a* trick, but not the one you wanted. You need to make
> buildworld before make buildkernel.

Darn. Now that I did a buildworld as last, can I just do buildkernel again?
Or will I need to builworld also again?

I appreciate the help. If anything, this experience got me over my fear for
CVSup. :)

- Mark

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 11:57 am, Mark wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kirk Strauser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?
>
> At 2004-03-06T17:25:37Z, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > cd /usr/src/
> >
> > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
> > > make installkernel KERNCONF=ASARIAN-HOST
> > >
> > > And:
> > >
> > > cd /usr/src/
> > > make buildworld
> > > make installworld
> > >
> > > Took a wee while, but that did the trick. :)
> >
> > That did *a* trick, but not the one you wanted. You need to make
> > buildworld before make buildkernel.
>
> Darn. Now that I did a buildworld as last, can I just do buildkernel
> again? Or will I need to builworld also again?
>
> I appreciate the help. If anything, this experience got me over my
> fear for CVSup. :)
>

You need to rebuild your kernel and install it. As it sits, you have a 
kernel built with the old tools and old userland libraries. The old 
libraries don't exist any more. They need to be a matched set. So, you 
should rebuild your kernel, install it and reboot to use it.

Kent

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Re: Building Packages - Links to Tutorials?

2004-03-06 Thread Sean Ellis
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:34:20PM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote:
> I have a "faster" machine that I'd like to use to build packages and 
> then install those packages on my "slower" machine.  I'm looking for 
> links to info describing this process and some best practices.  I'm 
> familiar with using portupgrade to build and install ports.  I've read 
> the portupgrade man pages and see options to build and install packages 
> but am not understanding how to put it all together.

Check this out.

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/07/FreeBSD_Basics.html

.. under "Making a Package Repository".

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portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
When I run "portsdb -Uu" on my 5.2.1-RELEASE-p1 system, I get:

Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait..

followed by over 10,000 entries similar to this:

make_index: gnomemag-0.10.7: no entry for /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2

followed by:

Warning: Duplicate INDEX entry:
 Done.
done
[Updating the portsdb  in /usr/ports ... - 3795 port 
entries
found /usr/ports/INDEX-5:1:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
/usr/ports/INDEX-5:2:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
/usr/ports/INDEX-5:3:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
/usr/ports/INDEX-5:4:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
/usr/ports/INDEX-5:5:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
.1000.2000.3000... . done]

There was only one duplicate entry reported. So, how do I get my system 
back into a happy state?

	-ste

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Re: 5.2.1 hanging on boot

2004-03-06 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Aaron Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I just installed 5.2.1 and upon boot, it hangs at:
> 
> Timecounter "TSC" frequency 2153331273 Hz quality 800
> Timecounters tick every 10.000 msec
> 
> It also did this when trying to boot via the 5.2.1 install CD, which was
> circumvented by booting via floppy... 
> 
> It does not do this with 4.9. 
> 
> any ideas?

You're booting without ACPI?
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RE: New Users Learning FreeBSD

2004-03-06 Thread JJB
There will all ways to the party line drawn between the developers
and the users. Developers want total freedom about how to install
and config while the users wany automated no question asked install.
If FBSD was an commercial product, the developers world would never
be seen by the customers. There is no question that the sysinstall
process is not new-be friendly. Heck it's not even user friendly to
experienced users. FBSD all ready has an division point called the
development code branch for the developers and the stable code
branch for the user community. The stable branch can be considered
akin to an commercial product release version. The problem is the
development total freedom install method is not really appropriate
to the technical knowledge level of the general user community and
this division between communities has always gone in favor of the
developers.  This will never change as long as developers are in
control for it's their nature to be blind to the needs of the users
of the finished results of their labor. This is even evident in the
tone and depth of the documentation of the man pages and the
handbook. Every thing is geared to the documentation reference needs
of the developer and technical knowledgeable user. There really is
no provisions for the people new to FBSD. They are kind of just left
on the sidelines and have to dig through a lot of old outdated
public internet how-to's, man pages which are so cryptic they are
next to useless, and the handbook which is written in an style that
is very hard to comprehend, the poor new user has to learn by trial
and error. We can all see that this situation is almost designed on
purpose to make the new user pay their dues before they can join the
FBSD developers club. All this does is inhibits the growth that FBSD
could really experience. An good compromise which services the wants
and needs of both communities would be to add an newbe user-friendly
install process on stable branch only. A step-by-step instructional
install guide that explains how the system is designed to be used
would go a very long way to speeding up the learning process of the
newbe and go an long way to removing the frustration that we see
voiced all the time in this questions list.

Just my general observation's and comments based on what I have seen
and read in the list.





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck
McManis
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:40 PM
To: Chuck Swiger
Cc: FreeBSD Mailing list
Subject: Re: New Users Learning FreeBSD

At 06:00 AM 3/6/2004, Chuck Swiger wrote:
>Chuck McManis wrote:
>>To put it in perspective, the best way to start USING FreeBSD as
opposed
>>to acquiring it to develop with, is probably to by an Apple
machine with
>>OS-X installed. All the integration is handled for you. It pains
me that
>>there isn't an organization of Apple's caliber providing a
complete
>>FreeBSD workstation product that I could load on any machine with
a
>>simple install.
>
>Apple has some advantages when writing an OS to run on their own
hardware;
>FreeBSD needs to deal with a much wider variation of hardware than
Apple
>does in terms of both quality and complexity.

Well until 5.x the FreeBSD problem was no more difficult than the
one
Microsoft dealt with :-) I agree that if you limit supported configs
it
makes install easier.

>I use both MacOS X and FreeBSD on a daily basis; they aren't the
same OS
>nor do they make although knowledge of one is often useful on the
>other.  OS X auto-defaults to installing everything into a single
HFS+
>partition, which is ideal only in the sense that such an
installation
>avoids having the user make a decision about drive partitioning.

That is a good example of a "user centric choice." Most application
users
(non-developers) derive little benefit from having multiple file
systems.

>That being said, my point is not to disagree with you so much as to
say
>that if you think the FreeBSD install should behave differently,
you've
>got the sources: make a few changes to streamline the process and
see
>whether other people like them.

And my point was that the primary population of people who would
have an
opinion would be developers who violently disagree that there should
be an
"easy" or "dumbed down" install process. Did I mention that I also
was the
manager (acting) for the group that owned "Sun Install" at Sun 15
years ago
? (God that makes me feel old :-) The current install program has
many
external similarities to that one. I've heard all of the arguments,
no one
at Sun would tolerate an "EZ" installer and I doubt hardly anyone
here
would as well. Part of the problem is that interaction between
installation
and the need to have the developers provide hooks for it. The
package
system is quite good and frankly I think passes muster for both
newbie/app
user/ and developer alike. The XFree86 configuration/install is
pretty
horrific if you don't know much about computers (aski

Re: portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 01:00 pm, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
> When I run "portsdb -Uu" on my 5.2.1-RELEASE-p1 system, I get:
>
> Updating the ports index ... Generating INDEX.tmp - please wait..
>
> followed by over 10,000 entries similar to this:
>
> make_index: gnomemag-0.10.7: no entry for /usr/ports/textproc/libxml2
>
> followed by:
>
> Warning: Duplicate INDEX entry:
>   Done.
> done
> [Updating the portsdb  in /usr/ports ... - 3795
> port entries
> found /usr/ports/INDEX-5:1:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
> /usr/ports/INDEX-5:2:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
> /usr/ports/INDEX-5:3:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
> /usr/ports/INDEX-5:4:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
> /usr/ports/INDEX-5:5:Port info line must consist of 10 fields.
> .1000.2000.3000... . done]
>
> There was only one duplicate entry reported. So, how do I get my
> system back into a happy state?

There was a problem like this a couple of days ago but I haven't seen 
any problem generating INDEX today. I would re-cvsup and see if it goes 
away. 

FWIW, I have a chron job that updates my ports at 4 everyday. I didn't 
have any problem at 4am on my 4-stable system. I wasn't booted to 
5-current on opal. I am trying that now.

Kent

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pkgdb inconsistency

2004-03-06 Thread Sean Ellis
Hello,

After removing kde, I think that I used pkg_delete, there are still
lingering kde* instances in my package database. ie

[1:28pm] [/home/sellis]portversion -l "<"
kdeaddons   <
kdeadmin<
kdeartwork  <
kdebase <
kdeedu  <
kdegames<
kdegraphics <
kdelibs <
kdemultimedia   <
kdenetwork  <
kdepim  <
kdesdk  <
kdetoys <
kdeutils<
kdevelop<
kmldonkey   <
koffice <
[1:29pm] [/home/sellis]
[1:31pm] [/home/sellis]sudo pkg_delete kdeaddons
Password:
pkg_delete: no such package 'kdeaddons' installed

etc .. ( pkg_delete'ing the other kd* packages give the same output ).

Can anyone let me know how I can straighten this out, or what it is that I'm
doing wrong?

Thanks,

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Re: portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
Kent Stewart wrote:


There was a problem like this a couple of days ago but I haven't seen 
any problem generating INDEX today. I would re-cvsup and see if it goes 
away. 
I have been diligently keeping my system cvsup'd every day. It dawned on 
me that I haven't been running portsdb -Uu after every cvsup though, so 
I ran it, and that's what I got.

So what do I do now?

	-ste

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Re: pkgdb inconsistency

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 01:38 pm, Sean Ellis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> After removing kde, I think that I used pkg_delete, there are still
> lingering kde* instances in my package database. ie
>
> [1:28pm] [/home/sellis]portversion -l "<"
> kdeaddons   <
> kdeadmin<
> kdeartwork  <
> kdebase <
> kdeedu  <
> kdegames<
> kdegraphics <
> kdelibs <
> kdemultimedia   <
> kdenetwork  <
> kdepim  <
> kdesdk  <
> kdetoys <
> kdeutils<
> kdevelop<
> kmldonkey   <
> koffice <
> [1:29pm] [/home/sellis]
> [1:31pm] [/home/sellis]sudo pkg_delete kdeaddons
> Password:
> pkg_delete: no such package 'kdeaddons' installed
>
> etc .. ( pkg_delete'ing the other kd* packages give the same output
> ).
>
> Can anyone let me know how I can straighten this out, or what it is
> that I'm doing wrong?
>

You have to wild card (glob) or use the real name. You can 

pkg_info | grep kdeaddons 

and see what the real name is.

Kent

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Re: ssh disconnecting [WAS: Getting Cut-Off]

2004-03-06 Thread Rishi Chopra
Wayne,

I left an SSH connection open to my server last night, and it was still 
connected this morning; the amount of time exceeded that of past 
sessions when I was unexpectedly disconnected.

I understand your reasoning when stating this is not a configuration 
issue, and given what you've written below, I tend to agree.  I'm using 
two Realtek 8139 cards in my server and an Intel 21041 in my Win2k box.

What type of onboard NIC does your new motherboard have?

Also, I have not messed with the default ACPI settings; are they enabled 
or disabled by default?  Interesting to note is that the server has been 
up for weeks now, and even though a particular SSH session is dropped, 
the server is still up and running, and will accept new SSH connections 
after unexpecteded termination of previous connections.  This leads me 
to believe that this is *not* and ACPI problem.

--
Rishi Chopra
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rchopra
Wayne Sierke wrote:

On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 19:39, Rishi Chopra wrote:

Wayne,

I would not suspect the hardware.  My suspicion is this has something to 
do with SSH configuration.  Is there a setting within the FreeBSD SSH 
configuration files that specifies disconnection of idle connections?

I didn't think my connection was idle since file transfer was occuring, 
but since there was no activity in the SSH terminal window, I could see 
how that could be taken as 'idle'; at any rate, there must be a setting 
that specifies number of minutes for an idle connection, and/or a way of 
turning off automatic idle disconnects.

A little help from the longbeards please? Arrgh!


My primary reason for suspecting hardware/drivers is that in my case,
both the current and previous sshd configs were unchanged from the
default install. A diff of the sshd_conf between my old and new servers
were identical (apart from version comments). This suggests to me that
unless 1) there has been a fundamental change in the default behaviour
of sshd between 4.8 and 5.2, or 2) my previous setup wasn't working
properly (ie. not doing idle disconnects when it should have been) then
the cause must lie elsewhere. Additionally, I believe I have witnessed
occasions on one of my LAN-connected machines when a ssh session
*hasn't* disconnected when left idle for a lengthy period, further
suggesting that it is not a configuration issue.
Unfortunately I'm still at the stage of only being mostly certain about
having witnessed uninterrupted connections. It would certainly help if
someone could indicate whether ssh disconnections should be expected or
not (on a LAN) with an unmodified sshd configuration.
Wayne





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Re: portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 01:43 pm, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
> Kent Stewart wrote:
> > There was a problem like this a couple of days ago but I haven't
> > seen any problem generating INDEX today. I would re-cvsup and see
> > if it goes away.
>
> I have been diligently keeping my system cvsup'd every day. It dawned
> on me that I haven't been running portsdb -Uu after every cvsup
> though, so I ran it, and that's what I got.
>
> So what do I do now?
>

Did you recvsup and then run portsdb -uU? My 5-current system has been 
generating INDEX for more than 5 minutes. When all of these messages 
show up, they usually start appearing by now. A complete make index 
takes about 20 minutes on opal. Portsdb -U uses make index.

What does a uname -a produce? There was a thing with jails and I don't 
have a jail setup on any of my machines.

What I get with a recent cvsup of ports-all is

Generating INDEX-5 - please wait.. Done.
[Updating the portsdb  in /usr/ports ... - 10497 port 
entries 
found 
.1000.2000.3000.4000.5000.6000.7000.8000.9000.1
 . 
done]

Kent

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4.9 vs 5.2 with consideration of support for SMP, hyperthread, and 3ware

2004-03-06 Thread Brent Wiese
I know I've seen the 4.9 vs 5.2 debate go on a lot, but usually without
discussing the exact usage and maturity of certain drivers.

I am building a server that has 2 XEON hyperthreaded CPUs. It will have 2
3Ware 7500-series controllers and disks most likely in RAID10 (still
debating that choice, but its for another thread).

While this server will be used in production, it is understood by the client
that we're not offering "5 nines" (due to the nature of the situation, not
the o/s). With that being said, I'm not looking for the "run 4.9 because
it's the latest stable branch".

I also do not want to be on the bleeding edge as far as 5.2 would be
concerned. I'd probably pick the latest production release and stick to
that. I don't want to spend all my time cvsup'ing sources and buildworld'ing
(especially given the probability I'll be duplicating this config another 3
times).

What I'm looking for is experience and/or opinion on 4.9/5.2 in regards to
better support, speed (where applicable), and stability in regards to
HyperThreading (it won't pain me to not use hyperthreading, but if I can,
might as well), 3ware controllers, and SMP.

Also, if anyone has experience or opinion about benefits of one or the other
on Apache and PHP, that is also welcome. Anything special someone has done
to get better use of multi-cpu in regards to those programs, etc.

Thanks in advance!

Brent


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Re: portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Shaun T. Erickson
Kent Stewart wrote:


Did you recvsup ...
Apparently I'm new enough to FreeBSD that I don't understand you. I ran 
cvsup on my docs, my system source and my ports, and ran portsdb -Uu 
afterwards. When I run them again, there is nothing to download. That 
tells me I have everything.

I guess I don't know what you want me to do.

	-ste

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Re: portsdb issues

2004-03-06 Thread Kent Stewart
On Saturday 06 March 2004 01:56 pm, Shaun T. Erickson wrote:
> Kent Stewart wrote:
> > Did you recvsup ...
>
> Apparently I'm new enough to FreeBSD that I don't understand you. I
> ran cvsup on my docs, my system source and my ports, and ran portsdb
> -Uu afterwards. When I run them again, there is nothing to download.
> That tells me I have everything.
>
> I guess I don't know what you want me to do.
>

When you ran cvsup on ports-all and there was't anything to download, 
you had done the re-cvsup. I did a cvsup of ports-all just before I did 
the make index. I have a script that does the cvsup and generate the 
indexes. I make fewer mistakes that way.

How do you run cvsup? What do you use on the command line. For example, 
I use

cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile

You might also change the mirror in your cvsup file. For example, I have

*default host=cvsup11.FreeBSD.org
*default base=/usr
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs tag=.
*default delete use-rel-suffix

Occasionally, a mirror will get stuck for one reason or another. The 
only way you can find out is if you have problems, change the mirror to 
something like cvsup16, and the problem goes away.

If you do this and still have problems, you should probably move your 
problem to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are more things that you can do but 
they get messy :).

The mirrors mostly update on the hour. Cvsuping less than an hour apart 
may be using the same old data. You need to wait until 15-20 minutes 
after the hour for the mirror to be updated. I mirror most of the data 
and it takes around 8 minutes for a mirror update to finish. 

Kent

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Re: Portupgrade and db/db2

2004-03-06 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 11:20:53AM -0600, Chris wrote:
> What would be the best way to handle this in portupgrade?
> 
> [Updating the pkgdb  in /var/db/pkg ... - 321 packages 
> found (-0 +1) . done]
> ** Package name changed from 'db' (databases/db2) to 'db2' (databases/db2).
> ** No need to upgrade 'db-2.7.7_1' (>= db2-2.7.7_1). (specify -f to force)

That's not an error, so there's nothing to handle :-) If you want to
remove the warning then rebuild the db port with the -f flag to force
the rebuild.

Kris


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Re: deleting lost+found directory

2004-03-06 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 08:27:11AM -1000, Vincent Poy wrote:
> Hi everyone:
> 
>   On one of my disks that has no files in it mounted as /mnt/usr,
> fsck is creating the lost+found directory and underneath each one are
> directories named starting with # that is empty, is there anyway to remove
> these?  Thanks.

They're just directories, remove them in the usual way.

Kris


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Re: Usability Of NOCLEAN

2004-03-06 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:37:29PM -0600, Peter Schultz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm just curious about the usability of NOCLEAN.  If I've just updated 
> world and things are fine with the installation, is it considered safe 
> to use NOCLEAN?  A couple updates to libc came in this morning just 
> after I installed a fresh world and I'm wondering what others do in 
> cases like this.

You can often use it, except when you can't.  It's mostly safe when
you only have minor changes, but at the first sign of trouble you
should re-run without NOCLEAN, and never report a build failure from a
NOCLEAN world because it's likely to be your fault :-)

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Re: Where is 4.9-STABLE?

2004-03-06 Thread Chris
On Saturday 06 March 2004 01:43 pm, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2004-03-06T17:29:13Z, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Doing a make world is perfectly acceptable. It's considered the
> > "traditional" way of doing things, and accomplishes the same results.
>
> No, it doesn't.  Specifically, it skips the reboot and mergemaster between
> the installkernel and installworld steps, which means that you'll end up
> running a new userspace against an old kernel and /etc for a little while.
>
> > If your going to inform users NOT to do one way opposed to another, at
> > least give specifics as to why you feel that way.
>
> There you have it.  "make world" is *not* the recommended upgrade process
> anymore.  The new method is detailed in UPDATING.

It seems I needed to be very explicit in my meaning. While in 4.9-RELEASE to 
STABLE, mergmaster is needed as is a rebuild of the kernel.

Once those have been accomplished, a simple make world does the trick. As I 
stated, and does the handbook, make world IS the traditional way of compiling 
and installing your src tree. When done in the correct steps, works very 
well.

I for one refuse to adopt the new way untill I moved to 5.1 - then it was 
simply a matter if having too. 

I have always done make world up untill 4.9-STABLE without issues, as many 
other users. So perhaps I didn't clarify my points (as I'm doing now).

I believe in the users case of 4.9, make world (with the proper steps 
involved) is and will continue to be ba a viable way of compiling your src 
tre and upgrading your system. 

Otherwise, the handbook would have removed that all togather.
You must remember, there are many of us that sometime refuse to adopt new ways 
of doing things unless need requires it - now that I run 5.2.1, I use the new 
style and actually like it.

make world has worked for me since 2.2.6 and I hated to see it go. Oh well.
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pam_acct_mgmt(): user account has expired (was Re: Login Problem)

2004-03-06 Thread Barry Hawkins
On Mar 4, 2004, at 1:33 PM, Gerard Seibert wrote:

I am running FreeBSD 5.2.1 - RELEASE #0: Mon Feb 23 20:45:55 GMT 2004

It seems that I can no longer log into my system. Upon boot-up, the
usually login appears. I enter my normal login and then my password. I 
am
then greeted with this error message:

BudMan login: pam_acct_mgmt(1): user account has expired
Login Incorrect.
Shortly afterwards I receive these error messages:

BudMan cron[538] _secure_path: /usr/home/ges/.login_conf is not owned 
by
root

The last error message will repeat with the number getting 
progressively
higher.

This is a fresh install of FreeBSD. The only thing I added was KDE 3.2
today. Can anyone tell me what has happened and how do I get back into 
my
system?

Thanks in advance!

Gerard Seibert
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Gerard,
	I am having a similar issue logging in on 5.2.1-RC2, and it seems to 
have happened around the time I added a user and some groups using the 
KUser utility in KDE.  All accounts, including root, are "expired".  My 
error message is:

login: pam_acct_mgmt(): user accound has expired
Login Incorrect.
Then, a bit later, I receive messages like the following:

kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0008 != )
kernel: psmintr: discard a byte(1)
	On a side note, the message really does display "accound" instead of 
"account"; it's not a typo of mine.  Searches on the following phrases 
within the questions and newbies mailing lists produced no leads for me 
to research:
	'pam_acct_mgmt(): user accound has expired'
	'pam_acct_mgmt():'
	'psmintr'

Regards,
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bsd 5.2.1

2004-03-06 Thread Brian H
Greetings,

I have a question about bsd 5.2.1. is it true that it uses a different file 
system than 4.9? what command can i run to see the difference? when i run 
mount i get:

/dev/ad0s1e on /tmp (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1f on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
Any thoughts?

thanks,

brian

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