Re: Top posting

[Kevin Stevens]

On Mar 21, 2004, at 23:31, Rob M wrote:

On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:50 pm, Denny Jodeit wrote:

It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The  
charter
states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained  
any
simpler.
Reference, please?  The FreeBSD Handbook  
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ 
eresources.html) has a general set of charter rules for the freebsd  
lists, which say nothing about top posting.  The freebsd-questions  
specific charter there says only:

"User questions --
This is the mailing list for questions about FreeBSD. You should not  
send ``how to'' questions to the technical lists unless you consider  
the question to be pretty technical."

KeS

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Re: Top posting

[Chris Pressey]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 01:50:14 -0500
"Denny Jodeit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The
> charter states no top posting.

I made sure to re-read the list charter when this thread started.  I
couldn't find a single mention of top posting.  The closest thing I
could find is that "gross breaches of Netiquette" are "frowned upon but
not specifically enforced."

-Chris
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XFree86

[ZaiD Dashti]

hello

why when i write startx my computer hangs ?
whatis the problem ?
thanks

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Re: Top posting

[Rob M]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 11:50 pm, Denny Jodeit wrote:

> It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter
> states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any
> simpler.

And this is why I did not just blurt it all out at the top of my message.  I 
am sure there are many new people here who havent read the charter even 
though we get it every so often and dont think about it before posting.  
Blowing up over it is not the answer either and I am not stating you did 
Denny. A polite reminder to the individual that has offended should suffice, 
if you cant answer without being rude then don't answer.

> Rules and laws are to be followed. If you don't like it, don't post. IMHO,
> case closed.

Rules and laws are also meant to be enforced by those whose job it is to do 
so, for there will always be those that will not follow them.  I do not have 
an issue with the rules at all, as I said I am new here and learning.  That 
being said, if my involvement in the discussion has offended I will take your 
advise and not post further.
-- 
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Re: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[mario]

this thing has heat written all over it

Chris said:
> Just a hunch - monitor your CPU temp. I had something similar. I took my
> case  off, ensured if have proper venting - and the freeze ups stopped.

yes, do

taking the cover off will not necessarily help this.
is the cpu heat sink properly seated?
if needed does it have heat sink compound?

also tail you log files
xtail /var/log/* or something like that
maybe some clues there.

if all fails start pulling hardware out
remove everything not really needed 512mb
video keyboard. see if that helps
if it does start adding stufff til it breaks

also start the box crank the cpu, see it that speeds it up

that's all i can think off for now








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Re: amavisd-new errors after portupgrade

[Leo Lapousterle]

On 21/03/04 22:09 -0500, Jeff Maxwell wrote :

> The same thing just happened to me.
> amavisd-new, the newest version will not run with perl 5.005 that comes
> with 4.9. You have upgrade to perl 5.6 or better. I upgrading to 5.8 with
> the port /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8/

Errr, I upgraded to amavisd-new(p8) yesterday without any problems.
Was it the p8 version for you too ?


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Re: [Soekris-tech] Re: Diskless PXE clients: switching FreeBSDkernels based on MAC address

[Matt Peterson]

This might be possible with DHCP, I've done something similar...

subnet 192.168.250.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.250.2 192.168.250.253;
option routers 192.168.250.254;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
# NFS server & path
option root-path "192.168.250.1:/usr/mboot";
}

class "soekris" {
match if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:0";
# TFTP server & filename
next-server 192.168.250.1;
filename "pxeboot";
}

Chris Roehrig wrote:

I'm following up on my original question and cross-posting it to the  
Soekris list in case this is useful for anyone else.  If there's 
an  easier way to do this, I'd like to know!


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Re: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Chris]

On Monday 22 March 2004 01:08 am, Jesse A. Coddington wrote:
> Pote,
>
> I can assure you that this isn't the problem.
>
> Jesse A. Coddington
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Supote Leelasupphakorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:57 AM
> To: Jesse A. Coddington
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes
>
> To...
>
>Have you tried press "SCROLL LOCK" once ? Maybe during
> your "make" running, you unintendly pressed such button
> so your keyboard is locked. Try to press "SCROLL LOCK" again.
>
> Cheers,
> Pote
>

Just a hunch - monitor your CPU temp. I had something similar. I took my case 
off, ensured if have proper venting - and the freeze ups stopped.

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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Jesse A. Coddington]

Pote,

I can assure you that this isn't the problem.

Jesse A. Coddington

-Original Message-
From: Supote Leelasupphakorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:57 AM
To: Jesse A. Coddington
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

To...

   Have you tried press "SCROLL LOCK" once ? Maybe during
your "make" running, you unintendly pressed such button
so your keyboard is locked. Try to press "SCROLL LOCK" again.

Cheers,
Pote

 --- "Jesse A. Coddington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Here's an example of what happens.
> 
>  
> 
> ns1# top
> 
>  
> 
> last pid:   153;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00
> up 0+00:19:34  01:10:31
> 
> 20 processes:  2 running, 18 sleeping
> 
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0%
> interrupt,  100%
> idle
> 
> Mem: 6164K Active, 11M Inact, 24M Wired, 4K Cache, 5072K Buf,
> 1449M Free
> 
> Swap: 1500M Total, 1500M Free
> 
>  
> 
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPU   
> CPU COMMAND
> 
>   135 root  28   0  1904K  1180K RUN  0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% top
> 
>   119 jesse 28   0  5708K  2468K RUN  0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>   121 root  18   0  1280K   960K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% csh
> 
>   117 root   2   0  5708K  2408K sbwait   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>85 root   2   0  3052K  2204K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sendmail
> 
>71 root   2   0   984K   712K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% syslogd
> 
>80 root  10   0  1024K   768K nanslp   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% cron
> 
>   120 jesse 10   0   636K   444K wait 0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sh
> 
>   109 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   112 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   115 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   113 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   116 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   111 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   110 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   114 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>82 root   2   0  3012K  2108K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>88 smmsp 18   0  2932K  2208K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sendmail
> 
>78 root   2   0  1056K   704K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% inetd
> 
>26 root  18   0   212K96K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% adjkerntz
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ns1# top
> 
>  
> 
> This will just sit there and do nothing.  This isn't just
> limited to top.
> It's stopped responding while doing makes of ports, cvsuping,
> etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jesse A. Coddington



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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Jesse A. Coddington]

Maria, 

Just to see if that was the problem, I removed the case and ran the server.
After about the same amount of time, it freezes.

Jesse A. Coddington

-Original Message-
From: mario [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 1:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

Jesse A. Coddington said:
> Here's an example of what happens.
>
>
>
> ns1# top
>
>
>
> last pid:   153;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00
> up 0+00:19:34  01:10:31
>
> 20 processes:  2 running, 18 sleeping
>
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
> idle
>
> Mem: 6164K Active, 11M Inact, 24M Wired, 4K Cache, 5072K Buf, 1449M Free
>
> Swap: 1500M Total, 1500M Free
>
>
>
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
>
>   135 root  28   0  1904K  1180K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% top
>
>   119 jesse 28   0  5708K  2468K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>   121 root  18   0  1280K   960K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% csh
>
>   117 root   2   0  5708K  2408K sbwait   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>85 root   2   0  3052K  2204K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> sendmail
>
>71 root   2   0   984K   712K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% syslogd
>
>80 root  10   0  1024K   768K nanslp   0:00  0.00%  0.00% cron
>
>   120 jesse 10   0   636K   444K wait 0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh
>
>   109 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   112 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   115 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   113 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   116 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   111 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   110 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   114 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>82 root   2   0  3012K  2108K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>88 smmsp 18   0  2932K  2208K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> sendmail
>
>78 root   2   0  1056K   704K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% inetd
>
>26 root  18   0   212K96K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> adjkerntz
>
>
>
>
>
> ns1# top
>
>
>
> This will just sit there and do nothing.  This isn't just limited to
> top. It's stopped responding while doing makes of ports, cvsuping, etc.

And you're sure you don't have any kind of heat related issues?
heat sink properly seated on cpu etc.


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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Supote Leelasupphakorn]

To...

   Have you tried press "SCROLL LOCK" once ? Maybe during
your "make" running, you unintendly pressed such button
so your keyboard is locked. Try to press "SCROLL LOCK" again.

Cheers,
Pote

 --- "Jesse A. Coddington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Here's an example of what happens.
> 
>  
> 
> ns1# top
> 
>  
> 
> last pid:   153;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00
> up 0+00:19:34  01:10:31
> 
> 20 processes:  2 running, 18 sleeping
> 
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0%
> interrupt,  100%
> idle
> 
> Mem: 6164K Active, 11M Inact, 24M Wired, 4K Cache, 5072K Buf,
> 1449M Free
> 
> Swap: 1500M Total, 1500M Free
> 
>  
> 
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPU   
> CPU COMMAND
> 
>   135 root  28   0  1904K  1180K RUN  0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% top
> 
>   119 jesse 28   0  5708K  2468K RUN  0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>   121 root  18   0  1280K   960K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% csh
> 
>   117 root   2   0  5708K  2408K sbwait   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>85 root   2   0  3052K  2204K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sendmail
> 
>71 root   2   0   984K   712K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% syslogd
> 
>80 root  10   0  1024K   768K nanslp   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% cron
> 
>   120 jesse 10   0   636K   444K wait 0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sh
> 
>   109 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   112 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   115 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   113 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   116 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   111 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   110 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>   114 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% getty
> 
>82 root   2   0  3012K  2108K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sshd
> 
>88 smmsp 18   0  2932K  2208K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% sendmail
> 
>78 root   2   0  1056K   704K select   0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% inetd
> 
>26 root  18   0   212K96K pause0:00  0.00% 
> 0.00% adjkerntz
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ns1# top
> 
>  
> 
> This will just sit there and do nothing.  This isn't just
> limited to top.
> It's stopped responding while doing makes of ports, cvsuping,
> etc.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jesse A. Coddington



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Re: Top posting

[Chris]

On Monday 22 March 2004 12:50 am, Denny Jodeit wrote:
> > Forgive me if I am out of line here.  I am new to FreeBSD and this list,
> > I have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows
> > since
>
> 3.1.
>
> > I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known
> > it was a big deal and every environment I have been in has top posted.
> >
> > I have been weary of posting as I dont want to irritate anyone by asking
> > something that is most likely simple to many of you.  I RTFM but just
> > dont get it sometimes so I lurk here and see if there is anything that
> > pertains
>
> to
>
> > me or I go on the web and find it that way.  So far it has worked.
> >
> > Something struck a chord with me so I need clarification.
>
> It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter
> states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any
> simpler.
>
> Rules and laws are to be followed. If you don't like it, don't post. IMHO,
> case closed.
>
> Denny Jodeit
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Unfortunate as it is - rules are broken. The only way to ensure that the rules 
are followed, if for list owners/opers to take control and either allow or 
reject.  

Other then that - chaos and pandemonium break out and the whole world falls 
apart as a result ... Or not *Laffs*

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Re: Dell 2650 config for FreeBSD 4.9

[Konrad Heuer]

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Dave wrote:

> We are in the position to have to replace an intel ISP1100 which has
> been running as our primary server for some time. As a potential
> replacement we are looking at a Dell 2650 dual processor raid5 server,
> specs below.   Up until now, the ISP1100 with a P3 800 and 1GB of PC100
> RAM has been handling the load like a fine workhorse, but anything
> purhcased now is well beyond those specs.  Does anyone have any first
> hand experiences, caveats, warnings, or commendations for this server if
> it is to use FreeBSD 4.9 as a dns/radius/website with extensive
> PostgreSQL database usage.
>
> PowerEdge 2650
> Processor 2x Intel Xeon 2.4GHz
> Memory 1.0GB DDR, 2X512 DIMMS
> Hard Drive Backplane 5 Bay (1x5) Hot Plug SCSI Hard Drive Backplane
> Hard Drive Configuration On-Board RAID 5
> 1st Hard Drive 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 320 SCSI
> 2nd Hard Drive 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 320 SCSI
> 3rd Hard Drive 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 320 SCSI
> 4th Hard Drive 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 320 SCSI
> 5th Hard Drive 18GB 15K RPM Ultra 320 SCSI
> Primary Controller PERC3-DI, 128MB Battery Backed Cache, 2 Internal Ch-
> Embedded RAID
> Floppy Drive 1.44MB Diskette Drive
> First Network Adapter Intel Pro 100S NIC w/ or w/o IP SEC Encryption
> Optical Device 24X IDE Internal CD ROM
> Power Supplies Redundant Power Supply, without Y-cord
> Rack Rails VersaRails for Non-Dell 4-Post Rack

I've two similar 2650 systems (diffferences are: 5x73 GB RAID 5, Broadcom
Gigabit Ethernet) running FreeBSD 4.9 without any problem.

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Re: Top posting

[Denny Jodeit]

> Forgive me if I am out of line here.  I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I
> have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since
3.1.
> I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it
> was a big deal and every environment I have been in has top posted.
>
> I have been weary of posting as I dont want to irritate anyone by asking
> something that is most likely simple to many of you.  I RTFM but just dont
> get it sometimes so I lurk here and see if there is anything that pertains
to
> me or I go on the web and find it that way.  So far it has worked.
>
> Something struck a chord with me so I need clarification.
>

It boils down to a 'When in Rome, do as Romans do' situation. The charter
states no top posting. I don't think it could be stated or explained any
simpler.

Rules and laws are to be followed. If you don't like it, don't post. IMHO,
case closed.

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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[mario]

Jesse A. Coddington said:
> Here's an example of what happens.
>
>
>
> ns1# top
>
>
>
> last pid:   153;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00
> up 0+00:19:34  01:10:31
>
> 20 processes:  2 running, 18 sleeping
>
> CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
> idle
>
> Mem: 6164K Active, 11M Inact, 24M Wired, 4K Cache, 5072K Buf, 1449M Free
>
> Swap: 1500M Total, 1500M Free
>
>
>
>   PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND
>
>   135 root  28   0  1904K  1180K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% top
>
>   119 jesse 28   0  5708K  2468K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>   121 root  18   0  1280K   960K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% csh
>
>   117 root   2   0  5708K  2408K sbwait   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>85 root   2   0  3052K  2204K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> sendmail
>
>71 root   2   0   984K   712K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% syslogd
>
>80 root  10   0  1024K   768K nanslp   0:00  0.00%  0.00% cron
>
>   120 jesse 10   0   636K   444K wait 0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh
>
>   109 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   112 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   115 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   113 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   116 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   111 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   110 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>   114 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty
>
>82 root   2   0  3012K  2108K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd
>
>88 smmsp 18   0  2932K  2208K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> sendmail
>
>78 root   2   0  1056K   704K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% inetd
>
>26 root  18   0   212K96K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00%
> adjkerntz
>
>
>
>
>
> ns1# top
>
>
>
> This will just sit there and do nothing.  This isn't just limited to
> top. It's stopped responding while doing makes of ports, cvsuping, etc.

And you're sure you don't have any kind of heat related issues?
heat sink properly seated on cpu etc.


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pf ruleset question

[Mario Doria]

Hi all,

I was reading a pf ruleset example at 
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html when I noticed this:

(1) pass in  on $int_if from $int_if:network to any keep state
(2) pass out on $int_if from any to $int_if:network keep state

(3) pass out on $ext_if proto tcp all modulate state flags S/SA
(4) pass out on $ext_if proto { udp, icmp } all keep state

$int_if is the internal interface.
$ext_if is the external interface.

As I understand it, the rule (1) allows the internal network to communicate to 
the firewall and to the outside world.
Rule (2) lets the firewall talk to the internal network.
Rule (3) lets traffic going out (tcp), but pf is first going to use a high 
quality random sequence number for each connection.
Rule (4) lets protocols udp and icmp go out on the external interface.

Now the problem I see is:
from the pf.conf(5) man page:

"There are two caveats associated with state modulation: A modulate state
 rule can not be applied to a pre-existing but unmodulated connection.
 Such an application would desynchronize TCP's strict sequencing between
 the two endpoints.  Instead, pf(4) will treat the modulate state modifier
 as a keep state modifier and the pre-existing connection will be inferred
 without the protection conferred by modulation."

So, here rule (1) is the first rule that sees the connections coming from the 
internal interface, and if you're doing NAT on the firewall, when your 
packets go out to the world using rule (3), they would not benefit from the 
modulate keyword. pf would treat the connection as a previously existing 
connection and then it wouldn't be able to apply the modulate keyword. 

I don't know if this is correct, I'm having doubts because I found this 
example on the "official" FAQ for PF. Can anyone help me please?


Mario 
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Re: Top posting

[Rob M]

Forgive me if I am out of line here.  I am new to FreeBSD and this list, I 
have been using both for about a week now after being with Windows since 3.1.  
I have always been a top poster and a bottom feeder, I have never known it 
was a big deal and every environment I have been in has top posted.  

I have been weary of posting as I dont want to irritate anyone by asking  
something that is most likely simple to many of you.  I RTFM but just dont 
get it sometimes so I lurk here and see if there is anything that pertains to 
me or I go on the web and find it that way.  So far it has worked.

Something struck a chord with me so I need clarification.

On Sunday 21 March 2004 08:54 pm, Michael W. Oliver wrote:

> What I find comical about this topic (and it never ceases to recur every
> few months) is that the clueless who post, asking for clue, refuse to
> accept pointers on something so simple as email etiquette from the same
> people they assume will provide clue on so many other more complex
> issues!

This seems arrogant to me, though it could be just that it is e-mail and I 
cant see the person typing on the other end.  Also, if I am asking a question 
about something I am having a hard time with then I would like an answer to 
it, not pointers on something so simple as email etiquette from the same 
person that is providing me a clue on my complex issue.  If I wanted to be 
instructed on e-mail etiquette I would have asked.

Dont take that last comment out of line, I am sure with all of the same 
answers you give over and over again that trying to get things in an even 
format would be nice.  But it is part of the reason I am uneasy about asking 
a question, not only do I feel ignorant because I am asking what is most 
likely an easy question but I might irk someone if I dont format it in the 
form of a question.

Secondly;
>
> In the end, why not just write like you speak?  In a verbal
> conversation, each party speaks in turn (in-line replies), provided they
> have something worthwhile to say on the given subject (trimming what
> isn't relevant), otherwise they keep their pie-hole shut (don't reply at
> all). 

When I speak I dont give them back the same thing they just said to me and 
then my reply, I just reply to them.  This means that in an e-mail I would 
click reply, delete everything on the page, type my response and send it.  At 
least it isn't a top post though, maybe we should just "only post".

Sorry for the book.  By the way, I have gleaned something from all of you that 
have posted.  Michael, I hope you don't feel like I am picking on you or 
calling you out.  I am the new guy here and dont know how things work here, 
smack me and show me the way it should be here and I will comply.

For the first time in an email I didnt top post...entirely.

-- 
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Re: Top posting

[Eric F Crist]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 08:46 pm, you wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 21:01, Eric F Crist wrote:
> > Also,  it's nice to see some people who don't post a whole lot speak up
> > about something.  To all those, welcome!
>
> That's rather the problem. People who don't know much about unix are
> perfectly happy to chime in about spelling or top posting, where
> expertise is relatively easy to acquire. Pretty soon, the list stops
> being about freebsd.

On the contrary.  I believe there are a lot of people on the list that are 
very knowledgable that don't speak up very often.  Perhaps they are here to 
simply see what other people are having problems with, perhaps they're here, 
as you say, with little knowledge.  Personally, I don't care.  I'm happy to 
be a part of a community that's willing to help eachother.

I feel this particular thread is an issue that could help many.  Maybe my 
knowledge or opinion doesn't mean much to you, buy perhaps to others.  I, 
personally, ignore HTML and incorrectly formatted messages.  If I'm 
personally interested in a thread, I will read it, regardless of format, but 
not if I'm simply trying to help a fellow BSDer out.  If Joe Shmoe (sorry if 
that person really exists) composes an email that contains 18 previous 
messages and top-posts, amongst other things, I'm FAR less likely to read 
that message, much less reply.  I'm anal enough to even edit those stupid 
forwards all of us get from our friends that are a combination of attachments 
and copy/paste so that it only contains the pertinent info.  Mind you, this 
is only on the RARE email I feel is good enough to forward on myself, which 
is hardly ever random junk.

Please allow us, without harrassement, to discuss issues people on this list 
find important.  As Greg said earlier, if you don't like this thread, simply 
delete it.  We're not making you read it.  It hardly uses enough bandwidth 
for you to stress over.

Have a great night, or morning, or whichever.
-- 
Eric F Crist
AdTech Integrated Systems, Inc
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Re: passwd

[Dinesh Nair]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Elvedin wrote:

> I've search and came up with nothing really but some things I've tried
> is adding the users to the wheel group, remaking the pwd database file
> and even setting pwd.db to 777 and still permission was denied.

what are the permissions on /usr/bin/passwd ? if they're other than
-r-sr-xr-x  and owned by root:wheel, i'd be a little disturbed at what
changed it from that.

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Re: passwd

[Dinesh Nair]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Elvedin wrote:

> That resolved it, thank you very much. I really have no clue why this
> came up since I haven't changed any permissions at all in /usr/bin or
> anything passwd related before this. If only my setuid logs were set to
> keep logs from the beginning instead of for today and yesterday...

check the date on /usr/bin/passwd to see if it is consistent with the
other binaries in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin.

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Re: Do I really need to rebuilding *everything*

[Dinesh Nair]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Mark wrote:

> file /usr/local/sbin/httpd
> /usr/local/sbin/httpd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
> (FreeBSD), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped

you could use ldd /usr/local/sbin/httpd to find out what it was
dynamically linked against.

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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Jesse A. Coddington]

Here's an example of what happens.

 

ns1# top

 

last pid:   153;  load averages:  0.00,  0.00,  0.00
up 0+00:19:34  01:10:31

20 processes:  2 running, 18 sleeping

CPU states:  0.0% user,  0.0% nice,  0.0% system,  0.0% interrupt,  100%
idle

Mem: 6164K Active, 11M Inact, 24M Wired, 4K Cache, 5072K Buf, 1449M Free

Swap: 1500M Total, 1500M Free

 

  PID USERNAME PRI NICE  SIZERES STATETIME   WCPUCPU COMMAND

  135 root  28   0  1904K  1180K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% top

  119 jesse 28   0  5708K  2468K RUN  0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd

  121 root  18   0  1280K   960K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% csh

  117 root   2   0  5708K  2408K sbwait   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd

   85 root   2   0  3052K  2204K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sendmail

   71 root   2   0   984K   712K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% syslogd

   80 root  10   0  1024K   768K nanslp   0:00  0.00%  0.00% cron

  120 jesse 10   0   636K   444K wait 0:00  0.00%  0.00% sh

  109 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  112 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  115 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  113 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  116 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  111 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  110 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

  114 root   3   0   952K   656K ttyin0:00  0.00%  0.00% getty

   82 root   2   0  3012K  2108K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% sshd

   88 smmsp 18   0  2932K  2208K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% sendmail

   78 root   2   0  1056K   704K select   0:00  0.00%  0.00% inetd

   26 root  18   0   212K96K pause0:00  0.00%  0.00% adjkerntz

 

 

ns1# top

 

This will just sit there and do nothing.  This isn't just limited to top.
It's stopped responding while doing makes of ports, cvsuping, etc.

 

Thank you,

Jesse A. Coddington

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Elvedin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:45 AM
To: Jesse A. Coddington
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

 

Jesse A. Coddington wrote:



Hello,
 
Recently I purchased the D865GLC motherboard.  The computer has an Intel
D865GLC motherboard, 3 - Crucial 512MB PC3200 DDR, 4 - 75GB Western Digital
Raptors, and an ICP GDT8546RZ SATA Raid card.  I've installed FreeBSD 4.9
and everything works fine for about 15 to 20 minutes and then the system
freezes.  I've tried disabling Hyper Threading thinking that this may be the
problem, but the problem still exists.
 
Has anyone seen this problem before and if so, is there a solution?  If no
one has seen this problem, I'm open to resolve this issue.
 
Thank you,
Jesse A. Coddington
 
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Can you share dmesg or any other related logs? Also, are you running any of
the same programs during the freezes?

-- 
Elvedin T. 

sysadmin.ods.org 

ODS.org  

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RE: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Jesse A. Coddington]

ns1# dmesg 
Copyright (c) 1992-2003 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Sun Mar 21 23:52:19 EST 2004
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/compile/MYHOSTING
Timecounter "i8254"  frequency 1193182 Hz
Timecounter "TSC"  frequency 2793012088 Hz
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz (2793.01-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = "GenuineIntel"  Id = 0xf29  Stepping = 9
 
Features=0xbfebfbff
  Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs
real memory  = 1592979456 (1555644K bytes)
avail memory = 1546452992 (1510208K bytes)
Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc037e000.
Warning: Pentium 4 CPU: PSE disabled
Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled
md0: Malloc disk
Using $PIR table, 12 entries at 0xc00f3d30
npx0:  on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
pcib0:  on motherboard
pci0:  on pcib0
agp0:  port 0xec00-0xec07 mem
0xffa8-0xffaf,0xf000-0xf7ff irq 11 at device 2.0 on pci0
agp0: detected 16252k stolen memory
agp0: aperture size is 128M
pci0:  at 29.0 irq 11
pci0:  at 29.1 irq 5
pci0:  at 29.2 irq 9
pci0:  at 29.3 irq 11
pcib1:  at device 30.0 on pci0
pci1:  on pcib1
iir0:  mem 0xdeafc000-0xdeaf irq 10 at
device 0.0 on pci1
fxp0:  port 0xcc00-0xcc3f mem
0xff8ef000-0xff8e irq 3 at device 8.0 on pci1
fxp0: Ethernet address 00:0c:f1:96:ea:d5
inphy0:  on miibus0
inphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
isab0:  at device 31.0 on pci0
isa0:  on isab0
atapci0:  port
0xffa0-0xffaf,0-0x3,0-0x7,0-0x3,0-0x7 at device 31.1 on pci0
ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0
ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0
pci0:  (vendor=0x8086, dev=0x24d3) at 31.3 irq 12
pmtimer0 on isa0
fdc0:  at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0
fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold
fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0
atkbdc0:  at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0
vga0:  at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0
sc0:  at flags 0x100 on isa0
sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300>
sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0
sio0: type 16550A
sio1: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0
ppc0:  at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0
ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode
plip0:  on ppbus0
lpt0:  on ppbus0
lpt0: Interrupt-driven port
ppi0:  on ppbus0
acd0: CDROM  at ata1-master PIO4
Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle
da0 at iir0 bus 2 target 0 lun 0
da0:  Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device 
da0: Tagged Queueing Enabled
da0: 141745MB (290294550 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 18070C)
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a

-Original Message-
From: Elvedin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 12:45 AM
To: Jesse A. Coddington
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

Jesse A. Coddington wrote:

Hello,

Recently I purchased the D865GLC motherboard.  The computer has an Intel
D865GLC motherboard, 3 - Crucial 512MB PC3200 DDR, 4 - 75GB Western Digital
Raptors, and an ICP GDT8546RZ SATA Raid card.  I've installed FreeBSD 4.9
and everything works fine for about 15 to 20 minutes and then the system
freezes.  I've tried disabling Hyper Threading thinking that this may be the
problem, but the problem still exists.

Has anyone seen this problem before and if so, is there a solution?  If no
one has seen this problem, I'm open to resolve this issue.

Thank you,
Jesse A. Coddington

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Can you share dmesg or any other related logs? Also, are you running any of
the same programs during the freezes?
-- 
Elvedin T. 
sysadmin.ods.org 
ODS.org

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Re: time() segmentation fault

[Abel Navarro]

Oops, you were rigth. I don't believe I have made such a mistake.

Thank you

Abel


On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:54, Chuck McManis wrote:
> At 09:24 PM 3/21/2004, Abel Navarro wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >this program ends with a segmentation fault in a FreeBSD 5.1.2-RELEASE:
> >
> >main() { time(); }
>
> Good for it! Seeing as time takes a pointer to a time_t, not passing it one
> would use what ever happened to be on the stack as a pointer.
>
> >I don't have made important changes to the release except cosmetic ones.
> > I'm running the Linux compatibility module and have compiled with gcc
> > 3.3.3. Any ideas are welcome.
>
> Change it to
> main() { time(0); }
>
> And tell us if it crashes then.
>
> --Chuck

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Re: time() segmentation fault

[Chuck McManis]

At 09:24 PM 3/21/2004, Abel Navarro wrote:
Hi all,
this program ends with a segmentation fault in a FreeBSD 5.1.2-RELEASE:
main() { time(); }
Good for it! Seeing as time takes a pointer to a time_t, not passing it one 
would use what ever happened to be on the stack as a pointer.

I don't have made important changes to the release except cosmetic ones. I'm
running the Linux compatibility module and have compiled with gcc 3.3.3. Any
ideas are welcome.
Change it to
main() { time(0); }
And tell us if it crashes then.

--Chuck

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Re: FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Elvedin]

Jesse A. Coddington wrote:

Hello,

Recently I purchased the D865GLC motherboard.  The computer has an Intel
D865GLC motherboard, 3 - Crucial 512MB PC3200 DDR, 4 - 75GB Western Digital
Raptors, and an ICP GDT8546RZ SATA Raid card.  I've installed FreeBSD 4.9
and everything works fine for about 15 to 20 minutes and then the system
freezes.  I've tried disabling Hyper Threading thinking that this may be the
problem, but the problem still exists.
Has anyone seen this problem before and if so, is there a solution?  If no
one has seen this problem, I'm open to resolve this issue.
Thank you,
Jesse A. Coddington
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Can you share dmesg or any other related logs? Also, are you running any 
of the same programs during the freezes?

--
Elvedin T.
sysadmin.ods.org 

ODS.org 

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burncd not able to create multisession disco?

[Zhang Weiwu]

Hello. I'm learning to burn CD-R in FreeBSD 5.2 on my Thinkpad T40 with an 
atapi combo-disco drive.

I read some docs on cdrecord(1), all these emulate-SCSI things are spining 
my head! To me burncd(8) is much more easier. The manual says if I don't do 
fixate, I don't get TOC; if I do fixate, the disco is finalized. 

What I wish to do is to burn a multisession data disco, the data session 
should be closed but the disco should not be finalized so I can add other 
files later.

So it seems burncd(8) cannot do it? I just wanna make it sure rather than 
diging into all the docs only to find it is impossible.

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Re: passwd

[Elvedin]

Mark wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Elvedin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:06 AM
Subject: passwd

 

644 should be the proper permission on /etc/pwd.db. And is
/usr/bin/passwd still setuid root?
 

drwxr-xr-x  17 root  wheel  -2048 Mar 21 21:57 etc
-rwxr--r--  1 root  wheel  - 40960 Mar 21 21:57 pwd.db
-rwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  - 32824 Oct 27 09:31 passwd
I didn't change passwd or anything related to it at all ...
   

Well, something changed alright. As I expected, your passwd no longer seems
to be setuid root! Like so:
-r-sr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  32504 Oct  9  2002 /usr/bin/passwd

If it is not setuid root, regular users can, obviously, no longer can change
their own passwords. Change it back:
chmod u+s /usr/bin/passwd

That will do it. It might be of interest, though, to figure out why this
change occured.
- Mark

 

That resolved it, thank you very much. I really have no clue why this 
came up since I haven't changed any permissions at all in /usr/bin or 
anything passwd related before this. If only my setuid logs were set to 
keep logs from the beginning instead of for today and yesterday...
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FreeBSD 4.9 freezes

[Jesse A. Coddington]

Hello,

Recently I purchased the D865GLC motherboard.  The computer has an Intel
D865GLC motherboard, 3 - Crucial 512MB PC3200 DDR, 4 - 75GB Western Digital
Raptors, and an ICP GDT8546RZ SATA Raid card.  I've installed FreeBSD 4.9
and everything works fine for about 15 to 20 minutes and then the system
freezes.  I've tried disabling Hyper Threading thinking that this may be the
problem, but the problem still exists.

Has anyone seen this problem before and if so, is there a solution?  If no
one has seen this problem, I'm open to resolve this issue.

Thank you,
Jesse A. Coddington

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Re: passwd

[Mark]

- Original Message - 
From: "Elvedin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:06 AM
Subject: passwd

> > 644 should be the proper permission on /etc/pwd.db. And is
> > /usr/bin/passwd still setuid root?
>
> drwxr-xr-x  17 root  wheel  -2048 Mar 21 21:57 etc
> -rwxr--r--  1 root  wheel  - 40960 Mar 21 21:57 pwd.db
> -rwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  - 32824 Oct 27 09:31 passwd
>
> I didn't change passwd or anything related to it at all ...

Well, something changed alright. As I expected, your passwd no longer seems
to be setuid root! Like so:

-r-sr-xr-x  1 root  wheel  32504 Oct  9  2002 /usr/bin/passwd

If it is not setuid root, regular users can, obviously, no longer can change
their own passwords. Change it back:

chmod u+s /usr/bin/passwd

That will do it. It might be of interest, though, to figure out why this
change occured.

- Mark

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time() segmentation fault

[Abel Navarro]

Hi all,

this program ends with a segmentation fault in a FreeBSD 5.1.2-RELEASE:

main() { time(); }

I don't have made important changes to the release except cosmetic ones. I'm 
running the Linux compatibility module and have compiled with gcc 3.3.3. Any 
ideas are welcome.

Abel

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Re: Top posting

[Gary]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:40:25PM +1030 or thereabouts, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:54:56 -0500, Michael W. Oliver wrote:
> > On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote:
> >> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >>> So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
> >>> post?

> >> Outlook fix 

> >> OE fix 

> > Thanks so much for posting these links!
> 
> Agreed, this looks excellent.

wonderful, thanks guys... I found this a long time ago from another list,
and it certainly help there. 
 
> I'll certainly put them in my "How to live with Outlook" pages.

ah, thanks Greg, I was going to ask you to do so, and you beat me to it.
 
 
> > What I find comical about this topic (and it never ceases to recur
> > every few months) is that the clueless who post, asking for clue,
> > refuse to accept pointers on something so simple as email etiquette
> > from the same people they assume will provide clue on so many other
> > more complex issues!
> 
> Heh.  That's human nature.  To quote:
 

cracked me up... great quote. 


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Re: can I read FreeBSD partitions from another hard drive?

[Peter Ulrich Kruppa]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, [iso-8859-1] Tadimeti Keshav wrote:

> Hi, I installed FreeBSD on a hard disk with 2 slices.
> One is an NTFS(slice 1) and the other for FreeBSD
> (slice 2). Is it possible to view FreeBSD partitions
> within the second slice from another FreeBSD
> installation that I have?
Generally: Yes.
All you have to know is the correct device name - for example
/dev/ad0s2e , then you can mount it with
# mount /dev/ad0s2e /mnt

But there is one exception:
ufs2 partitions created with FreeBSD 5.X can't be read from
within FreeBSD 4.X (which only understands ufs).

Regards,

Uli.


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Unexpected inet6 in FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE

[Chris Pepper]

	I have two systems, named www & guest. Both are tracking 
FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE, but guest is a bit more current. Neither has IPv6 
explicitly enabled, but for some reason, guest insists on configuring 
an inet6 interface at boot time ("ifconfig xl0" shows an additional 
inet6 address line, not present on www).

	This is causing me some aggravation, as localhost connections 
(such as "apachectl fullstatus") are from "[client ::1]" instead of 
the old-fashioned  127.0.0.1. To my surprise, 
 
doesn't talk about rc.conf at all, and I'm not sure where else this 
would be set up.

	Suggestions, references for further reading, or pointers to 
the obvious bit which I'm missing all welcomed (please CC me 
directly).

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a
FreeBSD guest.reppep.com 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Sat Feb 
28 23:56:37 EST 2004 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  i386
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep -i v6 /etc/rc.conf
ipv6_enable="NO"# Set to YES to set up for IPv6.


		Thank you,

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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:54:56 -0500, Michael W. Oliver wrote:
> On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote:
>> Hi JJB,
>>
>> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
>>> post?
>>
>> Outlook fix 
>>
>> OE fix 
>
> Thanks so much for posting these links!

Agreed, this looks excellent.

> Whether or not those who post email from sub-par MUAs like Outlook
> and OE will take heed and make use of these very useful fixes
> remains to be seen.

I'll certainly put them in my "How to live with Outlook" pages.

> What I find comical about this topic (and it never ceases to recur
> every few months) is that the clueless who post, asking for clue,
> refuse to accept pointers on something so simple as email etiquette
> from the same people they assume will provide clue on so many other
> more complex issues!

Heh.  That's human nature.  To quote:

   What is actually happening, I am afraid, is that we all tell each
   other and ourselves that software engineering techniques should be
   improved considerably, because there is a crisis.  But there are a few
   boundary conditions which apparently have to be satisfied:
   
   1. We may not change our thinking habits.
   2. We may not change our programming tools.
   3. We may not change our hardware.
   4. We may not change our tasks.
   5. We may not change the organizational set-up
  in which the work has to be done.
   
   Now under these five immutable boundary conditions, we have to try to
   improve matters. This is utterly ridiculous.
   
   Edsger W. Dijkstra, on receiving the ACM Turing Award in 1972

I've just added this to the FreeBSD fortunes database.

Greg
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Re: passwd

[Elvedin]

Mark wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: "Elvedin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:06 AM
Subject: passwd

 

My problem that exists with passwd is when regular users try to
change their passwords, they get this message -
passwd: error opening database: /etc/pwd.db.: Permission denied
passwd: /etc/master.passwd: unchanged
I've search and came up with nothing really but some things I've
tried is adding the users to the wheel group, remaking the pwd
database file and even setting pwd.db to 777 and still permission
was denied.
   

644 should be the proper permission on /etc/pwd.db. And is /usr/bin/passwd
still setuid root?
Did you set any special flags on /etc/pwd.db? Like sunlnk, schg? (ls -lo
will tell). And what are the permissions on /etc itself?
- Mark

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drwxr-xr-x  17 root  wheel  -2048 Mar 21 21:57 etc
-rwxr--r--  1 root  wheel  - 40960 Mar 21 21:57 pwd.db
-rwxr-xr-x  2 root  wheel  - 32824 Oct 27 09:31 passwd
I didn't change passwd or anything related to it at all and I think this 
has existed since the install since it has been brought to my attention 
just recently but I didn't notice it before since I was always root and 
changed my passwords from there.

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Re: monitoring for DDoS attacks ...

[Larry Rosenman]

--On Monday, March 22, 2004 00:45:59 -0400 "Marc G. Fournier" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know of any software that can monitor a link and report any
'unusual spikes' in traffic?
look at Snort, and if you have a netflow speaking router, the netflow
based tools.
LER


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monitoring for DDoS attacks ...

[Marc G. Fournier]

Does anyone know of any software that can monitor a link and report any
'unusual spikes' in traffic?


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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 22:41:12 -0500, Jud wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:04:36 +1030, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:27:57 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
>>> At 2004-03-22T01:23:45Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [snip]
>>> I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is
>>> one of latency.  In an office environment, when you're replying
>>> within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top
>>> posting is reasonable.
>>
>> Well, I'll concede that it could barely be acceptable under such
>> conditions.
>>
>>> On Usenet and mailing lists, where you see large, complex questions
>>> that get discussed over the span of days and weeks, interleaved
>>> posting is the only format that remotely makes sense.
>>
>> Sure.  Now how do you know in advance to which category each message
>> belongs?  Where do you draw the line?  And what's the advantage of top
>> posting?
>
> The very last thing I ever thought I would find myself doing is defending
> the efficacy of top posting under any circumstances, but, well, here it
> is:
>
> Lotus Notes (at least the versions I've been using at work the last 6 or
> so years) is configured to top-post,

Ah.  This is something different, but at least I understand now.  Yes,
I've used Lotus Notes too.  It drove me mad.  The issue here is that
Lotus is not capable of quoting text; it simply appends it.  But it is
possible to bottom post.  The result is that most recipients don't
bother to look for it; they think it's a null reply.  In my view, this
is an example of completely broken communications.

> and a good thing, too.

I strongly disagree.

> As more important problems move up the chain of responsibility at
> work, you deal with people who have less and less time to spare.

So you barrage them with the entire previous communications history
instead of the relevant parts?  See my three examples from a few hours
ago.  Which was shortest?

> They will want to see the couple-of-sentence summary written by the
> person immediately below them in the chain of command.

Apart from the fact that such people make up only a small number of
the users, this has nothing to do with the MUA.  This is a matter of
their subordinates knowing how to express themselves.

> Depending on what that summary says, they might want to check
> further (lower).  In rare, extraordinary situations, they might read
> all the way to the last message (typically written by the first
> person of managerial level to see the problem).

This is a very unusual situation.  It would be easier for them to ask
a question and ignore the attachments, which is almost certainly what
they do.

> For these folks, interleaving or bottom-posting would unnecessarily
> increase information-gathering and decision-making time,

This is an assertion.  I would disagree (WRT interleaving).

> significant if you are making hundreds of critical decisions each
> day.

I don't make hundreds of critical decisions every day, but I receive
thousands of mail messages.  I prefer interleaved mail exactly because
I can address it faster.  When I used Lotus, I found it took about 20
times as long to process a message as it did with a real MUA.  Part of
that was the lack of an editor.

> (Yes, there are valid criticisms of decision-making based on this
> sort of whispering-down-the-line information.)

I do agree that the people at the top should only get what they need.
That's normal good business organization.  Where we differ is how to
achieve this information.

> How do you know in advance?  Where do you draw the line?  Pretty
> simple in practice, really, at least in my particular situation.  At
> work (where there is no choice anyway due to Lotus Notes'
> configuration), particularly when writing to managerial levels above
> me, I would not hesitate to top-post;

Yes, I ended up doing that after a number of people didn't see my
replies :-(

> even if interleaving were possible, I might think twice about it.

I wouldn't, not for a second.

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Re: mplayer questions

[Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.]

Tadimeti Keshav wrote:

Hi, 

I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was
successfully installed. However, I want to know if
mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI
frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along
with mplayer?
thanks
Tk
 

mplayer is cli;  it has a GUI counterpart.
Try "whereis gmplayer" at the prompt and
see if the GUI version is also present.
Kevin Kinsey
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disconnect usb device

[Brian H]

Greetings,

what is the proper way to disconnect a usb device in bsd. I have a lexar 
128mb drive that i want to move to another computer. I know in windows there 
is a way to stop the device before removing it from the system. is there a 
command to run to do this in bsd?

thanks,
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Re: passwd

[Mark]

- Original Message - 
From: "Elvedin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 5:06 AM
Subject: passwd


> My problem that exists with passwd is when regular users try to
> change their passwords, they get this message -
>
> passwd: error opening database: /etc/pwd.db.: Permission denied
> passwd: /etc/master.passwd: unchanged
>
> I've search and came up with nothing really but some things I've
> tried is adding the users to the wheel group, remaking the pwd
> database file and even setting pwd.db to 777 and still permission
> was denied.

644 should be the proper permission on /etc/pwd.db. And is /usr/bin/passwd
still setuid root?

Did you set any special flags on /etc/pwd.db? Like sunlnk, schg? (ls -lo
will tell). And what are the permissions on /etc itself?

- Mark

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MUTA

[Tadimeti Keshav]

hi all,
I know MUTAs are used to fetch mail from POP servers
and send mails (via SMTP) such as HOTPOP.com

I am confused what I should install.

Mutt,pine,fetchmail...
All I need is Microsoft outlook functionality. I am
more than happy to use curses/CLI based mail clients.

Any help or pointers will be appreciated,
Thx
Tk






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Re: no support!

[Bob Johnson]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:37 pm, you wrote:
> I created the:
>
> kern.flp and
> mfsroot.flp
>
> Should I create other once?
>

I believe those two should be sufficient, but it would be best if you 
post to the list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) a description of what you did 
and what errors you encountered.  That way more people will see your 
problem and there is a better chance that someone will be able to help 
you.

Once you have those two floppies, you can do the install even if your CD 
doesn't work.  Boot kern.flp, switch to mfsroot.flp when it tells you 
to, and later when it asks you where to install from, you can tell it 
to use FTP to get the files from a FreeBSD server instead of reading 
them from the CD.

Before CDs became common, that was the common method of installing 
FreeBSD and it worked quite well.

- Bob

> Thanks,
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 11:18 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: GP
> Subject: Re: no support!
>
>
> On Sunday 21 March 2004 12:00 pm, Chris  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
>
> wrote:
> > On Sunday 21 March 2004 10:53 am, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > I'd be curious as to what brands of CDrom/DVDs he's running
> > > myself ... I've never had a problem loading up on any CDRom I've
> > > ever used, and I thought that CDroms were pretty standard, like
> > > floppies, nowadays ..
> > >
> > > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Remko Lodder wrote:
> > > > GP wrote:
> > > > > On the box that you sell your FreeBSD software it says: "It's
> > > > > easy to turn any pc into an internet, networking powerhouse!"
> > > > > "... any pc ..." and still I cannot get it going!?  That is
> > > > > because I just found out that the 3 CD-Roms and 2 DVDs I got
> > > > > none is compatible or supported by you.
> >
> > Let's look at his wording - The last line. Compatible or supported
> > by you (meaning FreeBSD I assume).
> >
> > So - where did he buy this box? Did he order it via The "Mall"? Is
> > it some other vender like cheap CD's or what ever it's called.
> >
> > I find this very hard to believe - so with that, Why not look to
> > your PC's bios and ensure that your CD Reader is set as the 1st
> > boot device.
> >
> > Then we'll work from there.
>
> I interpreted it to mean that his CD and DVD drives were not
> compatible with FreeBSD.  I have some old drives that "are not
> compatible".  One is so old it won't read a CD-R, for instance. 
> Another few cannot boot, but I can install FreeBSD with them if I
> create boot floppies, as described in the instructions.
>
> More detail about his specific problems would certainly help.
>
> - Bob
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passwd

[Elvedin]

My problem that exists with passwd is when regular users try to change 
their passwords, they get this message -

passwd: error opening database: /etc/pwd.db.: Permission denied
passwd: /etc/master.passwd: unchanged
I've search and came up with nothing really but some things I've tried 
is adding the users to the wheel group, remaking the pwd database file 
and even setting pwd.db to 777 and still permission was denied.

Any ideas?

(FreeBSD 4.9-SECURITY #0)
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Re: Top posting

[Michael W. Oliver]

On 2004-03-21T19:33:58-0600, Gary wrote:
> Hi JJB,
>
> --On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
> >post?
>
> Outlook fix 
>
> OE fix 

Gary,

Thanks so much for posting these links!  Whether or not those who post
email from sub-par MUAs like Outlook and OE will take heed and make use
of these very useful fixes remains to be seen.

What I find comical about this topic (and it never ceases to recur every
few months) is that the clueless who post, asking for clue, refuse to
accept pointers on something so simple as email etiquette from the same
people they assume will provide clue on so many other more complex
issues!

I am not an ass-kisser of any sort, but I can tell you that I have
learned a lot from reading Greg's site about email posting, and
listening to his (and other's) logic in the matter.

In the end, why not just write like you speak?  In a verbal
conversation, each party speaks in turn (in-line replies), provided they
have something worthwhile to say on the given subject (trimming what
isn't relevant), otherwise they keep their pie-hole shut (don't reply at
all).  Most of us read and write English from left to right, top to
bottom, so why is it so much to ask to follow the same guidelines that
are followed with verbal speech?

Using a poor MUA isn't an excuse, certainly not after this very useful
post by Gary!

For those on high, please forgive my entrance into this thread.

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Re: mplayer questions

[Khairil Yusof]

On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 03:40 +, Tadimeti Keshav wrote:

> I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was
> successfully installed. However, I want to know if
> mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI
> frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along
> with mplayer?

If you make it with WITH_GUI, then it will have a gtk12 gui interface
with skins. You start it with gmplayer.

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amavisd-new not using clamd

[Tom Munro Glass]

I have installed ClamAv and amavisd-new to work with Postfix. They are mostly 
working except that when I start amavisd I get the following message in 
maillog:

Found secondary av scanner Clam Antivirus - clamscan 
at /usr/local/bin/clamscan

When a message is sent to amavisd for scanning I get the following message:

WARN: all primary virus scanners failed, considering backups

I have checked that /usr/local/etc/clamav.conf and /usr/local/etc/amavisd.conf 
are both referring to the same socket file in /var/run/clamav/clamd. I am 
running both clamd and amavisd as user vscan so I don't understand why 
amavisd isn't using clamd.

Any ideas?

Regards

Tom Munro Glass
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OT: (Re: none)

[Tadimeti Keshav]

sorry,
I hit the enter key by mistake.

 --- Tadimeti Keshav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote: >  
>  


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You have to pay for the tickets, but they're half the price of Windows Air, and if you 
are an aircraft mechanic you can probably ride for free. It only takes 15 minutes to 
get to the airport and you are cheuferred there in a limozine. BeOS Air only has 
limited types of planes that only hold new luggage. All planes are single seaters and 
the model names all start with an "F" (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.). The plane will 
fly you to your destination on autopilot in half the time of other Airways or you can 
fly the plane yourself. There are limited destinations, but they are only places you'd 
want to go to anyway. You tell all your friends how great BeOS Air is and all they say 
is "What do you mean I can't bring all my old baggage with me?"





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Re: make options

[Kris Kennaway]

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:40:13AM +, Tadimeti Keshav wrote:
> hi, 
> 
> I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know
> the various options we can specify during make such as
> WITH_GUI=yes
> 
> How can I know them for a given port?

Read the port makefile.

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Re: Top posting

[Jud]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:04:36 +1030, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:27:57 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> > At 2004-03-22T01:23:45Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
> > I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is
> > one of latency.  In an office environment, when you're replying
> > within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top
> > posting is reasonable.
> 
> Well, I'll concede that it could barely be acceptable under such
> conditions.
> 
> > On Usenet and mailing lists, where you see large, complex questions
> > that get discussed over the span of days and weeks, interleaved
> > posting is the only format that remotely makes sense.
> 
> Sure.  Now how do you know in advance to which category each message
> belongs?  Where do you draw the line?  And what's the advantage of top
> posting?

The very last thing I ever thought I would find myself doing is defending
the efficacy of top posting under any circumstances, but, well, here it
is:

Lotus Notes (at least the versions I've been using at work the last 6 or
so years) is configured to top-post, and a good thing, too.  As more
important problems move up the chain of responsibility at work, you deal
with people who have less and less time to spare.  They will want to see
the couple-of-sentence summary written by the person immediately below
them in the chain of command.  Depending on what that summary says, they
might want to check further (lower).  In rare, extraordinary situations,
they might read all the way to the last message (typically written by the
first person of managerial level to see the problem).  For these folks,
interleaving or bottom-posting would unnecessarily increase
information-gathering and decision-making time, significant if you are
making hundreds of critical decisions each day.  (Yes, there are valid
criticisms of decision-making based on this sort of
whispering-down-the-line information.)

How do you know in advance?  Where do you draw the line?  Pretty simple
in practice, really, at least in my particular situation.  At work (where
there is no choice anyway due to Lotus Notes' configuration),
particularly when writing to managerial levels above me, I would not
hesitate to top-post; even if interleaving were possible, I might think
twice about it.  For mailing lists and newsgroups, where threads can run
as long as value and interest dictate, ISTM that top-posting is a PITA at
best, death to understanding at worst.

Jud
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mplayer questions

[Tadimeti Keshav]

Hi, 

I tried to install mplayer using ports. This was
successfully installed. However, I want to know if
mplayer is a command line video player? Is there a GUI
frontend to it? WHich one? Does it get installed along
with mplayer?

thanks
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make options

[Tadimeti Keshav]

hi, 

I am trying to install some ports. But I do not know
the various options we can specify during make such as
WITH_GUI=yes

How can I know them for a given port?

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can I read FreeBSD partitions from another hard drive?

[Tadimeti Keshav]

Hi, I installed FreeBSD on a hard disk with 2 slices.
One is an NTFS(slice 1) and the other for FreeBSD
(slice 2). Is it possible to view FreeBSD partitions
within the second slice from another FreeBSD
installation that I have? How can I do this, as I
believe FreeBSD can only read slices but not
partitions within a slice.

Both are IDE hard disks for x86 arch,

thanks in advance
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[no subject]

[Tadimeti Keshav]

 
 

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You have to pay for the tickets, but they're half the price of Windows Air, and if you 
are an aircraft mechanic you can probably ride for free. It only takes 15 minutes to 
get to the airport and you are cheuferred there in a limozine. BeOS Air only has 
limited types of planes that only hold new luggage. All planes are single seaters and 
the model names all start with an "F" (F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18, etc.). The plane will 
fly you to your destination on autopilot in half the time of other Airways or you can 
fly the plane yourself. There are limited destinations, but they are only places you'd 
want to go to anyway. You tell all your friends how great BeOS Air is and all they say 
is "What do you mean I can't bring all my old baggage with me?"





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Re: amavisd-new errors after portupgrade

[Jeff Maxwell]

The same thing just happened to me.

amavisd-new, the newest version will not run with perl 5.005 that comes 
with 4.9. You have upgrade to perl 5.6 or better. I upgrading to 5.8 
with the port /usr/ports/lang/perl5.8/

Follow the directions to change you default perl installation after you 
install the port. You then have to install all the missing modules.

It took me a couple of hours to get it back up, but it works great now.



On Mar 21, 2004, at 8:26 PM, albi wrote:



here's the error with the upgraded amavisd-new :

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/amavisd.sh restart
Stopping amavisd.
Waiting for PIDS: 976.
Starting amavisd.
ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES:
  Carp::Heavy
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/sbin/amavisd line 124.
after using Google for a while i couldn't find which port "Carp::Heavy"
comes from (or should come from)
copying back the previous /usr/local/sbin/amavisd over the new one,
makes it work OK
any ideas how to resolve this (that is, make the newer amavisd-new 
work)

tia!

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Please, can you help

[Jason]

Hello,
 
I have a problem that I was wondering if you could help me out, I downloaded the 
freebsd from your site to install it on my sec hdd (hard drive), I'm able to boot up 
from the cd-rom, so I did so.
Long story short, I have my cd-rom on my secondary ide controller set to master with 
no slaves, My hdds are on the primary set to master and slave, will the problem is 
that when it come to install the rest of the bsd i try to install from the cd/dvd and 
it tells me that "no CDROM is found" and i have a "ATAPI CDROM" set to master on my 
sec ide controller with no slave divice, please can you help, I've looked on the site 
but nothing there that could help me that i saw.
thank you
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Please, can you help

[Jason]

Hello,
 
I have a problem that I was wondering if you could help me out, I downloaded the 
freebsd from your site to install it on my sec hdd (hard drive), I'm able to boot up 
from the cd-rom, so I did so.
Long story short, I have my cd-rom on my secondary ide controller set to master with 
no slaves, My hdds are on the primary set to master and slave, will the problem is 
that when it come to install the rest of the bsd i try to install from the cd/dvd and 
it tells me that "no CDROM is found" and i have a "ATAPI CDROM" set to master on my 
sec ide controller with no slave divice, please can you help, I've looked on the site 
but nothing there that could help me that i saw.
thank you
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Re: Intel chipset to work

[Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.]

IT2 Wishon, Corey wrote:

Sir or Ma'am

 

I guess I'm a "sir", but we're all just FreeBSD
users around here.  Greetings to you wherever
the "Vella Gulf" is ATM, and thanks to all of you 
Sorry to bother you. I am trying to get a intel chipset to work on my
version of freebds. 
 

No trouble

I am currently unable to run free86 GUI interface. The drivers will not
install referring to a 1240: syntax error: Bad fd number
and when I try to run startx I get fatal server error: "no screens found".
Is there any suggestion to help my situation. Any assistance
will be greatly appreciated.
IT2 Corey Wishon
 

Systems Administrator
USS Vella Gulf (CG-72)
USN/AD
 

Can't say as I can help with the "Bad fd number".
It's obviously an error in line 1240 of some file or
other ... now what file, I don't know, and whether
the message is really the indicator of the problem
I can't say.
You didn't mention what chipset ... I assume the
Intel i810?  There's a subsection of the Handbook
(5.4.3.1) dealing with that specific chipset, I suppose
due to the fact is was very popular for a whileif
that's your chipset, I'd definitely look it up.  The
handbook is available at www.freebsd.org/handbook,
or via ftp 
"No screens found" means that the X server hasn't
found any viable entries in the "Screen" section of
the XFree86Config file (which is probably
/etc/X11/XF86Config) ... I've attached mine; the
"Screen" section is about 2/3 of the way down
HTH,

Kevin Kinsey
DaleCo, S.P.
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Re: dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore

[Ryan Merrick]

Julio Maciel wrote:
dhclient.conf  is blank
all things are commented... ive tried changing some things using request
but same thing happens
my ip address before this is set to blank
because, on the install i skipped the configuring networking devices
- Original Message - 
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To: "Julio Maciel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore



Julio Maciel wrote:

there is a very big txt log i made explaining all



well
I just installed freeBSD on my home, (5.2.1), and everything goes ok,
BUT, i cant get dhcp, working...

on sysinstall, if I try to make my dhcp to be discovered, it freezes up,
so i skiped this part

and then
after installing
everytime i try to run dhclient i get this: (i use cable modem):
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
and after this, it just goes on a infinite loop
i tried tcpdump to help me, but i just understand a line of tcpdump...
here is what is says:

any idea of how can i solve this???

Hi,

What IP address are you getting ?  #ifconfig -a

What is in your #/etc/dhclient.conf ?

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You need to send your cable company supplied hostname and use a modified 
 version of the example in #man dhclient.conf

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Intel chipset to work

[IT2 Wishon, Corey]

Sir or Ma'am

Sorry to bother you. I am trying to get a intel chipset to work on my
version of freebds. I
am currently unable to run free86 GUI interface. The drivers will not
install referring to a 1240: syntax error: Bad fd number
and when I try to run startx I get fatal server error: "no screens found".
Is there any suggestion to help my situation. Any assistance
will be greatly appreciated.

v/r

IT2 Corey Wishon
Systems Administrator
USS Vella Gulf (CG-72)
USN/AD


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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:27:57 -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2004-03-22T01:23:45Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>> DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post?
>
>> No.
>
> Kmail, for one, offers that as an option.  I started doing that at work
> after my boss explained that interleaved-trimmed posting is difficult to
> read.

I'm missing something here.  Top posting, interleaved posting and
bottom posting are not a function of the MUA, they're a function of
the human making a conscious decision how to write a message.  What do
*you* mean?

> I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is
> one of latency.  In an office environment, when you're replying
> within 2 minutes of receipt of a typically short message, top
> posting is reasonable.

Well, I'll concede that it could barely be acceptable under such
conditions.

> On Usenet and mailing lists, where you see large, complex questions
> that get discussed over the span of days and weeks, interleaved
> posting is the only format that remotely makes sense.

Sure.  Now how do you know in advance to which category each message
belongs?  Where do you draw the line?  And what's the advantage of top
posting?

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Re: Top posting

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2004-03-22T01:23:45Z, "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post?

> No.

Kmail, for one, offers that as an option.  I started doing that at work
after my boss explained that interleaved-trimmed posting is difficult to
read.

I think the main difference between top- and interleaved-posting is one of
latency.  In an office environment, when you're replying within 2 minutes of
receipt of a typically short message, top posting is reasonable.  On Usenet
and mailing lists, where you see large, complex questions that get discussed
over the span of days and weeks, interleaved posting is the only format that
remotely makes sense.
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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:44:12 -0500, Scott Ballantyne wrote:
> Top posting is irritating. So is scrolling through 20Mb of unedited text
> to get to a one line response, which is often "Yes, I've seen this too."
> Spelling flames are irritating too. And the most irritating of all is
> reading messages on a mailing list which deal only with issues of
> netiquette.

Nothing makes you read them.

> What ever happened to the very sound advice that used to be preached
> that such messages should be sent privately, to the perpetrator of
> the breach, rather than broadcast to the many readers of
> freebsd-questions who are more interested in getting freebsd answers
> than a lesson in netiquette?

It's still there.  But obviously this matter is of interest to enough
people that it's worth discussing on the list, especially since it
influences the likely success of a post to the list.  If it doesn't
interest you, do what you do with other messages that don't interest
you: delete them.

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Re: Top posting

[Scott Ballantyne]

Top posting is irritating. So is scrolling through 20Mb of unedited text
to get to a one line response, which is often "Yes, I've seen this too."
Spelling flames are irritating too. And the most irritating of all is
reading messages on a mailing list which deal only with issues of
netiquette.

What ever happened to the very sound advice that used to be preached
that such messages should be sent privately, to the perpetrator of the
breach, rather than broadcast to the many readers of freebsd-questions
who are more interested in getting freebsd answers than a lesson in
netiquette?

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RE: Top posting

[Gary]

Hi JJB,

--On Sunday, March 21, 2004 8:09 PM -0500 JJB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
post?
Outlook fix 

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amavisd-new errors after portupgrade

[albi]

here's the error with the upgraded amavisd-new :

/usr/local/etc/rc.d/amavisd.sh restart
Stopping amavisd.
Waiting for PIDS: 976.
Starting amavisd.
ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES:
  Carp::Heavy
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/sbin/amavisd line 124.

after using Google for a while i couldn't find which port "Carp::Heavy"
comes from (or should come from)

copying back the previous /usr/local/sbin/amavisd over the new one,
makes it work OK

any ideas how to resolve this (that is, make the newer amavisd-new work)

tia!

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Re: Top posting

[Louis LeBlanc]

On 03/21/04 08:17 PM, Shaun T. Erickson sat at the `puter and typed:
> > ... both top and bottom ...
> 
> All this talk of "top" and "bottom" is making me blush and breathe heavy,
> LOL (j/k). :-)

ROFL.  Thank you dearly.  That one comment has just made this whole
thread worthwhile!

> Perhaps this dead horse has been sufficiently beaten, that we can let it
> Rest In Peace, and move on? :-)

I doubt it.  This thread will be going long after this horse is no
longer recognizeable as anything but a puddle of primordial ooze.

L
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Re: dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore

[Ryan Merrick]

Julio Maciel wrote:
there is a very big txt log i made explaining all



well
I just installed freeBSD on my home, (5.2.1), and everything goes ok, BUT, i cant get 
dhcp, working...
on sysinstall, if I try to make my dhcp to be discovered, it freezes up, so i skiped 
this part
and then
after installing
everytime i try to run dhclient i get this: (i use cable modem):
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
and after this, it just goes on a infinite loop
i tried tcpdump to help me, but i just understand a line of tcpdump... here is what is 
says:
any idea of how can i solve this???

Hi,

What IP address are you getting ?  #ifconfig -a

What is in your #/etc/dhclient.conf ?

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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

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Long/short syndrome.

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 20:09:17 -0500, JJB wrote:
> So unix mail clients bottom post  by design and MS/outlook tops
> posts by design.

No, that's not a question of design: it's the way you use them.

> So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
> post?

Well, it would be nice to have it to interface to an editor.  That
seems not to be possible, which completely baffles me.

> DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post?

No.

> SO here we are right back at the starting point.  The 2 different
> groups have to just learn to deal with the list being populated with
> both top and bottom posting intermingled throughout the thread.

In fact, you're bringing up another point.  Microsoft MUAs appear to
be so difficult to use that many people take the path of least
resistance, leaving a trail of mutilation at the end of the message.

> No amount of complaining are going to change these facts, so suck it
> up, and move on.

They're not facts.  No amount of claiming will make them facts.

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RE: Top posting

[Shaun T. Erickson]

> ... both top and bottom ...

All this talk of "top" and "bottom" is making me blush and breathe heavy,
LOL (j/k). :-)

Perhaps this dead horse has been sufficiently beaten, that we can let it
Rest In Peace, and move on? :-)

-ste
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RE: Top posting

[JJB]

So unix mail clients bottom post  by design and MS/outlook tops
posts by design.
So is there some MS/Outlook config option to change it to bottom
post?
DO Unix mail clients have some option to config them to top post?

SO here we are right back at the starting point.
The 2 different groups have to just learn to deal with the list
being
populated with both top and bottom posting intermingled throughout
the thread.

No amount of complaining are going to change these  facts, so suck
it up, and move on.

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Best filesysyem for FreeBSD & Linux shared partition

[Ron Joordens]

Hello Everyone,

I am multibooting FreeBSD with a few Linux distributions such as Mandrake,
Gentoo, Slackware, Red Hat. (I'll reduce that list to a couple of favourites
eventually). 

I have set up a primary partition with ext2 filesystem to act as a single
data partition accessable from all OSs. That seemed to be fine until
recently when I ran out of room on my FreeBSD /usr directory and moved my
/usr/ports/distfiles directory to the shared ext2fs partition. At first
there seemed to be no problems but when I tried to upgrade KDE and XFree86
using portupgrade the error messages began.

XFree86 always encountered errors when checking the checksums of the source
tarballs. It would say at first that the checksums were ok but then
immediately after crash sying that there were crc errors.

KDE was more serious. It would almost immediately crash with a Fatal Trap 12
error and reboot.

After finding nothing on the on the forums  I finally moved the distfiles to
a new drive which I formatted with the FreeBSD ufs filesystem. VOILA!! No
more problems.

So it seems that FreeBSD support for ext2fs is at fault.

So what is the best filesystem to use for a shared partition? For example,
does FreeBSD provide better support for ext3fs or resierfs? Or does Linux
provide better support for ufs?

Any thoughts?

Thanks in advance,

Ron
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Re: X is "broken"....

[Vulpes Velox]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:11:47 -0500
"Ralph M. Los" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>   Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but
> when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command
> error. So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is
> weird because it didn't complain about being installed already?
>   Now I get this:
> 
> Fatal server error:
> Could not open default font 'fixed'

This means you do not have that font install, most likely.

One of these should take car of it... forget which...
XFree86-4-font100dpi XFree86-4-fontCyrillic 
XFree86-4-fontEncodings XFree86-4-font75dpi
XFree86-4-fontDefaultBitmaps XFree86-4-fontScalable
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Re: Top posting

[Matt Coe, CCNA]

uidzero wrote:

What's wrong with the convention we have?  I'll answer this message a
third time in the style you propose.  Tell me if it's easier to read.
This one just gets too long after a thread of 5 or more. I can relate 
to the others but, I just don't read any of the thread to start with 
if the subject or the original post doesn't concern me. :) That's just 
me though.
Not if the replier (is that even a word? It is now! Ha!) edits carefully 
for context. Leave out the bits of old messages that no longer relate to 
the discussion at hand and your replies should be nice and coherent. 
I've been practicing that for years.

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Re: Top posting

[uidzero]

Lucas Holt wrote:

Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like 
when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to  
scroll all day.  The other irritant is people who actually post in the 
middle of messages.  That breaks the "FLOW" as well.  After someone 
replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read.

How about a new convention.  Delete everything but the last reply in 
the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post.  I can live 
with that as a top poster.  If I don't have to scroll all day to 
bottom post, its not a big deal.

The bottom line is that people reply.  This list is here to help users 
with FreeBSD.  I'd take an answer to my questions in any format!

I'm the same way. I take out everything but the last post. (including 
any .sigs) As for reading them any other way, I like them like I'm doing 
now or sectioned off to answer the questions or what not as they come down.

eg...

Original E-mail: > Question: Is this proper?

Next e-mail: Answer: Sure, IMHO

Original E-mail: > Question: Are you sure?

Next e-mail: Answer:  of course.

Otherwise, hey everyone. I'm Michael and I'm new to the list. Been using 
Linux si
nce 98 and for the past 5 days, I've done nothing but FreeBSD.

bigbsd~>>> uname -a
FreeBSD bigbsd.one-arm.com 4.9-STABLE FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Sat Mar 20 
15:14:02 CST
2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FW-BSD  i386
bigbsd~>>> df -h
FilesystemSize   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/da0s1a   126M59M57M51%/
/dev/da0s1f   252M  10.0K   232M 0%/tmp
/dev/da0s1g15G   9.6G   4.4G68%/usr
/dev/da0s1e   252M34M   198M15%/var
procfs4.0K   4.0K 0B   100%/proc
/dev/ad4s1 56G   690M51G 1%/mnt/storage
bigbsd~>>>

I'm not quite brave enough to go to 5.2.1. I must say, in the last 5 
days, I've learned more about FreeBSD than I really learned about Linux 
since '98.

Thanks,

Michael

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Re: Top posting

[uidzero]

"Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only
marginally better than top posting.
If the text is important, you should be reading it.  If it isn't, the
sender shouldn't have included it.
On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about.  In this
example, I'm answering your points one by one.  I'll repeat the whole
thing with top posting.  Tell me if it's easier to read.
Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot.  That's a very good
reason to insist on one style.
What's wrong with the convention we have?  I'll answer this message a
third time in the style you propose.  Tell me if it's easier to read.
 

Greg,

This one just gets too long after a thread of 5 or more. I can relate to 
the others but, I just don't read any of the thread to start with if the 
subject or the original post doesn't concern me. :) That's just me though.

Michael

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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:13:37 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote:
>> Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like
>> when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post..
>
> "Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only
> marginally better than top posting.

On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:15:14 +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
> The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to
> show why top-posting is bad.  See the previous message (Message ID
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) for a version that I
> consider understandable.

On Monday, 22 March 2004 at 11:16:07 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote:
> The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to
> show why bottom-posting (where a reply is completely separate from the
> original message) is bad.  See the first message (Message ID
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) for a version that I
> consider understandable.

You might also like to count the length of the three messages.  The
one with the interleaved answers is the shortest.  This is because I
trimmed unnecessary text.

Greg
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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to
show why bottom-posting (where a reply is completely separate from the
original message) is bad.  See the first message (Message ID
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) for a version that I
consider understandable.

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote:
> Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like when 
> people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to  
> scroll all day.  The other irritant is people who actually post in the 
> middle of messages.  That breaks the "FLOW" as well.  After someone 
> replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read.
> 
> How about a new convention.  Delete everything but the last reply in 
> the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post.  I can live 
> with that as a top poster.  If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom 
> post, its not a big deal.
> 
> The bottom line is that people reply.  This list is here to help users 
> with FreeBSD.  I'd take an answer to my questions in any format!
> 
> 
> Lucas Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> FoolishGames.com  (Jewel Fan Site)
> JustJournal.com (Free blogging)
> 
> 'I try to think but nothing happens'
> -- Homer Jay Simpson

"Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only
marginally better than top posting.

If the text is important, you should be reading it.  If it isn't, the
sender shouldn't have included it.

On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about.  In this
example, I'm answering your points one by one.  I'll repeat the whole
thing with top posting.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot.  That's a very good
reason to insist on one style.

What's wrong with the convention we have?  I'll answer this message a
third time in the style you propose.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

Greg
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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

The following message is the second in a series of three, intended to
show why top-posting is bad.  See the previous message (Message ID
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) for a version that I
consider understandable.

"Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only
marginally better than top posting.

If the text is important, you should be reading it.  If it isn't, the
sender shouldn't have included it.

On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about.  In this
example, I'm answering your points one by one.  I'll repeat the whole
thing with top posting.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot.  That's a very good
reason to insist on one style.

What's wrong with the convention we have?  I'll answer this message a
third time in the style you propose.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

Greg

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote:
> Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like when
> people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to
> scroll all day.  The other irritant is people who actually post in the
> middle of messages.  That breaks the "FLOW" as well.  After someone
> replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read.
>
> How about a new convention.  Delete everything but the last reply in
> the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post.  I can live
> with that as a top poster.  If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom
> post, its not a big deal.
>
> The bottom line is that people reply.  This list is here to help users
> with FreeBSD.  I'd take an answer to my questions in any format!
>
>
> Lucas Holt
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> FoolishGames.com  (Jewel Fan Site)
> JustJournal.com (Free blogging)
>
> 'I try to think but nothing happens'
> -- Homer Jay Simpson

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Re: Top posting

[Greg 'groggy' Lehey]

On Sunday, 21 March 2004 at 19:35:48 -0500, Lucas Holt wrote:
> Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like
> when people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. 

"Bottom posting", where you leave the entire previous message, is only
marginally better than top posting.

> i have to scroll all day.

If the text is important, you should be reading it.  If it isn't, the
sender shouldn't have included it.

> The other irritant is people who actually post in the middle of
> messages.  That breaks the "FLOW" as well.

On the contrary, it shows you what the discussion is about.  In this
example, I'm answering your points one by one.  I'll repeat the whole
thing with top posting.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

> After someone replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read.

Agreed, mixing styles is the worst of the lot.  That's a very good
reason to insist on one style.

> How about a new convention.  Delete everything but the last reply in
> the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post.  I can
> live with that as a top poster.  If I don't have to scroll all day
> to bottom post, its not a big deal.

What's wrong with the convention we have?  I'll answer this message a
third time in the style you propose.  Tell me if it's easier to read.

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Re: Top posting

[Lucas Holt]

Aside from mailing lists, I tend to be a top poster.  I don't like when 
people leave the last 12 emails and then bottom post.. i have to  
scroll all day.  The other irritant is people who actually post in the 
middle of messages.  That breaks the "FLOW" as well.  After someone 
replies top or bottom its VERY hard to read.

How about a new convention.  Delete everything but the last reply in 
the thread when you send to the list and say bottom post.  I can live 
with that as a top poster.  If I don't have to scroll all day to bottom 
post, its not a big deal.

The bottom line is that people reply.  This list is here to help users 
with FreeBSD.  I'd take an answer to my questions in any format!

Lucas Holt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: no support!

[GP]

Chris,

no configuration seems to work!

George

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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:25 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Chris; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: no support!


GP wrote:

> Chris,
>
> I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it!
>
> Would you know what to do about it?
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Remko Lodder
> Subject: Re: no support!
>
>
> On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote:
>
>>Hi Remko,
>>
>>Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it
>>would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from.  It made me
>>think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went
>>back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device.
>>Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save
>
> entire
>
>>day if that would be slightly more clear.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>George
>
>
> ... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st.
> Tada!
>
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Hi George,

Choose a Geneneric display and fill in your own refresh value's which
are on the reference card you recieved with the monitor..
That always should work :)

Cheers

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FreeBSD

[PHANDNLADAMS]

I would like some information if I can load freeBSD on a secondary usp 
hard-drive.
And if I can boot up from that hard-drive.

Thank you very much.

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Re: no support!

[Remko Lodder]

GP wrote:

Chris,

I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it!

Would you know what to do about it?

Thanks,
George
-Original Message-
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Remko Lodder
Subject: Re: no support!
On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote:

Hi Remko,

Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it
would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from.  It made me
think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went
back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device.
Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save
entire

day if that would be slightly more clear.

Thank you,

George


... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st.
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Hi George,

Choose a Geneneric display and fill in your own refresh value's which 
are on the reference card you recieved with the monitor..
That always should work :)

Cheers

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RE: no support!

[GP]

Chris,

I got Dell 17" monitor but the xconfig does not want to recognize it!

Would you know what to do about it?

Thanks,
George

-Original Message-
From: Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Remko Lodder
Subject: Re: no support!


On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote:
> Hi Remko,
>
> Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it
> would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from.  It made me
> think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went
> back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device.
> Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save
entire
> day if that would be slightly more clear.
>
> Thank you,
>
> George

... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st.
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PPTP client LCP errors

[Martin Tsachev]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi guys,

I'm having a problem connection to a PPTP server using FreeBSD 5.2 and pptp 
linux 1.3.1. It works fine from a Debian box that's behind the FreeBSD 
gateway that I want to connect to the VPN but since FreeBSD's ppp is 
different than the one in Linux I cannot simply copy my config.

The server doesn't use mppe, on windows you have to disable LCP extensions to 
connect. The linux config is pretty straightforward but if you need that I 
can copy it too.

Here's what I have on FreeBSD:

/etc/ppp/ppp.conf
vpn:
# down lcp
# disable vjcomp
# disable MSCHAPv2
# disable mppe
# enable deflate pred1
# close lcp
# lcp-echo-interval 30
# lcp-echo-request 0 
# open lcp
# set openmode passive

# set openmode passive
# set stopped 3
# disable lqr
 
 set authname username
 set authkey password
 set timeout 0
 set ifaddr 0 0
 add 192.168.0.0/16 HISADDR
# set log Phase LCP Connect tun Warning Alert
 set log phase chat lcp ipcp ccp tun command
# alias enable yes
# noauth

I start it by doing ppp ip vpn.

and in /var/log/ppp.log when trying to connect I get:

The following part is repeated a few times and I think it's failing:

Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 



Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: Phase: Using interface: tun0 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: Phase: deflink: Created in closed state 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: PPP Started (direct mode). 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: closed -> opening 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! 
Mar 22 00:34:52 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> carrier 
Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> lcp 
Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport 
Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Initial --> 
Closed 
Mar 22 00:34:53 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> 
Stopped 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerStart 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Stopped 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 
Mar 22 00:34:54 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:34:57 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:35:00 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:35:03 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = 
Req-Sent 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACFCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  PROTOCOMP[2] 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  ACCMAP[6] 0x 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MRU[4] 1500 
Mar 22 00:35:06 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP:  MAGICNUM[6] 0xda445afa 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerFinish 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> 
Stopped 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> 
Closed 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: LCP: deflink: State change Closed --> 
Initial 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 17 secs: 0 
octets in, 260 octets out 
Mar 22 00:35:09 mtb ppp[9415]: tun0: Phase: deflink

Re: Diskless PXE clients: switching FreeBSD kernels based on MAC address

[Chris Roehrig]

I'm following up on my original question and cross-posting it to the  
Soekris list in case this is useful for anyone else.  If there's an  
easier way to do this, I'd like to know!

Here's a bootloader script I wrote that works for me (FreeBSD  
4.9_RELEASE).

== kern_switch.4th  
=
\
\ kern_switch.4th
\   -- MAC-based kernel switching for PXE clients
\
\ Allows PXE booting of different kernels for different MAC  
addresses
\ using a shared NFS root partition.
\ Will use the default kernel if not booting from PXE or no HW MAC
\ addresses are matched.
\
\ USAGE:
\ 1.  Place this in /boot on the NFS server.
\ 2.  Include this from /boot/loader.conf using the following line:
\   exec="include /boot/kern_switch.4th"
\ 3.  Edit the MAC address and kernel definitions below.
\ 4.  Make sure you have an alternate boot device handy when  
installing
\ so you can undo things if you make a mistake!
\
\ v 1.0; Mar_21_2004;  Chris Roehrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

: switch_kernel ( kern_addr kern_n -- )
2dup ." kern_switch DBG: switching kernel to " type cr
s" kernel" setenv
;
\ Check environment for loaddev...
s" loaddev" getenv  dup -1 = [if]
drop\ the -1 retval
.( kern_switch: no loaddev present in environment!) cr
[else]
2dup .( kern_switch: loaddev = ) type cr
s" pxe0:" compare 0= [if]
\ PXE Boot; get the hardware MAC address...
s" boot.netif.hwaddr" getenv  dup -1 = [if]
drop\ the -1 retval
.( kern_switch: no boot.netif.hwaddr present in environment!) cr
[else]
2dup .( kern_switch: boot.netif.hwaddr = ) type cr
\ switch on HW address...
\ ===
\ ENTER YOUR MAC ADDRESSES AND KERNEL NAMES HERE
\   Pad all MAC bytes to 2-digit, lower-case.
\   Be careful to preserve the space after s" !
2dup s" 00:00:24:c1:2a:64" compare 0= [if]
s" /kernel.NET4501"  switch_kernel [then]
2dup s" 00:00:24:c1:35:50" compare 0= [if]
s" /kernel.NET4801"  switch_kernel [then]
\ ===
	2drop \ environment HW string

[then]
[then]
[then]


\ Display the kernel to be used...
s" kernel" getenv  dup -1 <> [if]
.( kern_switch: using kernel = ) type cr
[else]
drop
.( kern_switch: no kernel present in environment!) cr
[then]
 




On Mar 20, 2004, at 10:58, Chris Roehrig wrote:
I'm running FreeBSD 4.9_RELEASE and I'd like to share my server's root  
partition as the root partition for some diskless PXE clients, but I  
need different kernels for the server and clients.The /conf  
structure works great for providing different /etc environments for  
each machine, but I can't figure out how to boot a different kernel  
for my PXE clients.
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dhcp problem, dont know what to do anymore

[Julio Maciel]

there is a very big txt log i made explaining allwell
I just installed freeBSD on my home, (5.2.1), and everything goes ok, BUT, i cant get 
dhcp, working...
on sysinstall, if I try to make my dhcp to be discovered, it freezes up, so i skiped 
this part
and then
after installing
everytime i try to run dhclient i get this: (i use cable modem):
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPDISCOVER on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4
DHCPOFFER from 200.167.40.1
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPREQUEST on rl0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67

and after this, it just goes on a infinite loop
i tried tcpdump to help me, but i just understand a line of tcpdump... here is what is 
says:

any idea of how can i solve this???

tcpdump: listening on rl0
02:11:44.927998 62.34.47.230.2378 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1165485284:1165485284(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:11:45.039756 217.136.155.126.2196 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 4287223825:4287223825(0) 
win 64240  (DF)
02:11:45.124634 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1353698121:1353698121(0) 
win 5808  (DF)
02:11:46.461013 81.249.159.201.4927 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 983537944:983537944(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:11:46.481028 69.22.119.192.3838 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3442908908:3442908908(0) 
win 55168 
02:11:47.008052 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps:  xid:0x76168c79 file 
""[|bootp] [tos 0x10]

02:11:47.728761 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:11:48.416135 200.167.40.1 > 239.255.255.250: igmp query v2 [max resp time 10] 
[gaddr 239.255.255.250] [ttl 1]
02:11:50.197610 fe80::2c0:a8ff:fe7a:d270 > ff02::1:ff7a:d270: HBH icmp6: multicast 
listener report max resp delay: 0 addr: ff02::1:ff7a:d270 [hlim 1]
02:11:50.327907 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:11:51.063034 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 
16384  (DF)

02:11:51.257861 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1353698121:1353698121(0) 
win 5808  (DF) [tos 0x38   
 ]
02:11:52.115398 82.224.181.76.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 2009051266:2009051266(0) 
win 16384  (DF)
02:11:53.430108 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 2172714527:2172714527(0) 
win 65280  (DF)

02:11:53.484413 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:11:53.745042 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1468878454:1468878454(0) 
win 64240  (DF)
02:11:54.123742 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:11:56.343704 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 2172714527:2172714527(0) 
win 65280  (DF)
02:11:56.453808 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:11:56.820744 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1468878454:1468878454(0) 
win 64240  (DF)
02:11:57.415259 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:11:58.017734 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps:  xid:0x1a62971a [|bootp] [tos 
0x10]
02:11:58.108558 200.167.40.1.bootps > 200.167.42.15.bootpc:  hops:1 xid:0x1a62971a 
Y:200.167.42.15 G:200.167.44.1 [|bootp] (DF) [tos 0x1,ECT(1)]
02:11:58.109200 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps:  xid:0x1a62971a file 
""[|bootp] [tos 0x10]
02:11:58.119341 82.224.181.76.3797 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 2009051266:2009051266(0) 
win 16384  (DF)
02:11:59.502051 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:12:00.070206 201.1.35.225.3232 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3984621272:3984621272(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:12:00.353545 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:12:01.017652 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps:  xid:0x1a62971a [|bootp] [tos 
0x10]
02:12:02.164142 82.166.164.74.4644 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 2172714527:2172714527(0) 
win 65280  (DF)
02:12:02.355931 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1906488484:1906488484(0) 
win 65535  (DF)
02:12:02.680533 80.202.19.94.54770 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1468878454:1468878454(0) 
win 64240  (DF)
02:12:03.243274 80.221.1.154.37375 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 1353698121:1353698121(0) 
win 5808  (DF) [tos 0x38]
02:12:03.774301 80.14.171.164.34603 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 52831074:52831074(0) win 
64240  (DF)
02:12:04.366570 64.4.60.7.http > 200.167.44.51.4284: R 0:0(0) win 0
02:12:05.774493 81.67.5.68.4009 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3900015774:3900015774(0) win 
64240  (DF)
02:12:06.356361 81.53.52.131.4090 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 3508821142:3508821142(0) win 
16384  (DF)
02:12:06.678863 80.14.171.164.34603 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 52831074:52831074(0) win 
64240  (DF)
02:12:08.017409 0.0.0.0.bootpc > 255.255.255.255.bootps:  xid:0x1a62971a file 
""[|bootp] [tos 0x10]
02:12:08.373394 81.57.115.70.64528 > 200.167.44.51.4662: S 19064

mail probs after upreving to 4.9...

[Gary Kline]

Ok, what I am not doing *right*??  mail is getting thru to me
at tao.thought.org--but when I try outgoing, (via 'mail') I
see:

pp 14:03  [1670] collect: Cannot write ./dfi2LM39fJ000550 (bfcommit, uid=1000, 
gid=25): Permission denied
queueup: cannot create queue file ./qfi2LM39fJ000550, euid=1000: Permission denied

Things in /var/spool look all right.  

1 drwxrws---  2 smmsp  smmsp   512 Sep 17  2002 clientmqueue
1 drwxr-xr-x  3 root   wheel   512 Mar 24  2002 cucipop
1 drwx-wx---  3 root   daemon  512 Feb  9  2003 cups
1 drwxrwxr-x  2 uucp   dialer  512 Mar 21 13:52 lock
1 drwxr-xr-x  6 root   daemon  512 Dec 18  2001 lpd
1 drwxr-xr-x  2 root   daemon  512 Mar 21 13:23 mqueue

Insights very welcome.

tia, guys,

gary

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Re: phpmyadmin forbidden?

[Randy Pratt]

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 15:26:52 -0500 Shaun wrote:
> 
> I wanted to install this on my 5.2.1-p3, but it's forbidden. 
> Emailing the maintainer got no response. Does anyone know what's up
> with this? I'm told it will make my life much easier 
> 
> -ste

You could look at the security entry for phpmyadmin at:

http://people.freebsd.org/~eik/portaudit/

That is the list of ports vulnerabilities which 
/usr/ports/security/portaudit uses.  Portaudit is still in 
development but it seems to work good for me on 4.x.

Randy
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phpmyadmin forbidden?

[Shaun T. Erickson]

I wanted to install this on my 5.2.1-p3, but it's forbidden. Emailing 
the maintainer got no response. Does anyone know what's up with this? 
I'm told it will make my life much easier 

-ste
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Re: X is "broken"....

[Kent Stewart]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 12:11 pm, Ralph M. Los wrote:
> Hi,
>   Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but
> when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command error.
> So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is weird
> because it didn't complain about being installed already?
>   Now I get this:
>
> Fatal server error:
> Could not open default font 'fixed'
>
>
> What gives?

There have been a couple of changes regarding fonts. Could you have 
updated pieces of dependancies of freetype2 and not all of them.

Kent

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X is "broken"....

[Ralph M. Los]

Hi,
Something happened, most likely a weird error on my part, but
when I booted up and hit my usual "startx" I got a bad command error.
So I went into the ports directory and installed X, which is weird
because it didn't complain about being installed already?
Now I get this:

Fatal server error:
Could not open default font 'fixed'


What gives?

-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+  Ralph | Internet Systems & Security   +
+   Boundariez.com   | -"Specializing in Paranoia"-  +
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+  ralph[!at]boundariez[dot!]com |  Never understimate the power +
+AIM: SekurityWizard | stupid people +
+ICQ: 2206039|in large groups+
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 

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Re: utilities

[C Stefan]

I mean after a cvsup try running :
portsdb -uU : that will create an index of your installed & outdated ports & if you 
will have stale and corrupt dependencies you have the chance to fix them interactively 
then try portupgrade -aRr this will check your dependencies back & forth and 
gracefully try to resolve them

tools are : portcvsweb   ports_glob   portsdb  portversion
portinstall  portsclean   
maybe there are some more out there but portupgrade I find satisfactory for my needs


On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:44:24 +0100
"Jack Raats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I use portupgrade for upgrading the ports... But what do you mean with
> tools?
> 
> Jack
> 
> > C.Stefan wrote:
> >
> > yes
> > try portupgrade & tools
> > it`s magic :)
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100
> > "Jack Raats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and
> if
> > > not good, will restore these dependencies?
> > >
> > > Met vriendelijke groeten
> > > Jack Raats
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[Q] Another ntdp question: server?

[Stefan A. Deutscher]

Howdy,

 having sort of clarified the location of the drift file I have come
across another ntpd thingy I cannot quite interpret:

# tail /var/log/messages | cut -c 7-
 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: ntpd 4.1.1b-a Thu Jun  5 00:47:30 GMT 2003 (1)
 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: kernel time discipline status 2040
 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: getnetnum: "ntp1.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored
 18:28:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: getnetnum: "ntp2.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored
 18:32:03 dvorak ntpd[1192]: time set -0.242122 s
 18:34:41 dvorak ntpd[1192]: ntpd exiting on signal 3
 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: ntpd 4.1.1b-a Thu Jun  5 00:47:30 GMT 2003 (1)
 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: kernel time discipline status 2040
 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: getnetnum: "ntp1.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored
 18:35:26 dvorak ntpd[1261]: getnetnum: "ntp2.ptb.de" invalid host number, line ignored
 18:48:24 dvorak ntpd[1261]: time set -0.079761 s

So, what I do not quite understand is why 
(a) it ignores the time server name, 
(b) still sets the time
(c) never again complains about the host until quit and restarted


Oddly enough, the time server is found via a nslookup, and it works when
given to ntpd (or ntpdate, for that matter) on the command line.

# nslookup ntp1.ptb.de
 Server:  cache1.tiscali.de
 Address:  195.185.185.195
 Non-authoritative answer:
 Name:ntp1.ptb.de
 Address:  192.53.103.103


'man ntp.conf' seems to indicate that IP address or machine name are
allowed, and that there is some flag to enable name resolution (which I
did not find):

 [ ... snip ... ]

 server address [key key | autokey] [burst] [iburst] [version version]
[prefer] [minpoll minpoll] [maxpoll maxpoll]

 [ ... snip ... ]

 These four commands specify the time server name or address to be used
 and the mode in which to operate.  The address can be either a DNS name
 or an IP address in dotted-quad notation.

 [ ... snip ... ]


 However, when the configuration file contains host names, or when a
 server or client is configured remotely, host names are resolved using
 the DNS and a separate name resolution process.  In order to protect
 against bogus name server messages, name resolution messages are
 authenticated using an internally generated key which is normally
 invisible to the user. However, if cryptographic support is disabled,
 the name resolution process will fail.  This can be avoided either by
 specifying IP addresses instead of host names, which is generally
 inadvisable, or by enabling the flag for name resolution and disabled
 it once the name resolution process is complete.



As a side effect, when sending SIGQUIT or SIGTERM ntpd does not remove
the PID file created with the -p option (as in /usr/sbin/ntpd -p
/var/run/ntpd.pid) -- would that be a bug or a feature I don't
understand?


 Thanks in advance for any light on these issues & Cheers, Stefan


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Re: utilities

[Jack Raats]

I use portupgrade for upgrading the ports... But what do you mean with
tools?

Jack

> C.Stefan wrote:
>
> yes
> try portupgrade & tools
> it`s magic :)
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100
> "Jack Raats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and
if
> > not good, will restore these dependencies?
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten
> > Jack Raats
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Re: utilities

[C Stefan]

yes 
try portupgrade & tools
it`s magic :)


On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0100
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> Hi everyone,
> 
> Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and if
> not good, will restore these dependencies?
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten
> Jack Raats
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utilities

[Jack Raats]

Hi everyone,

Are there any utilities available which checks de ports dependencies and if
not good, will restore these dependencies?

Met vriendelijke groeten
Jack Raats

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Re: no support!

[Chris]

On Sunday 21 March 2004 01:18 pm, GP wrote:
> Hi Remko,
>
> Even I set to load from CD and followed the description to just enter it
> would not rally set CD to be the first device to load from.  It made me
> think that something must be here not functioning correctly and so I went
> back for the forth time and finally set CD to be the start up device.
> Tech doc not really clear about the step in the middle, I could save entire
> day if that would be slightly more clear.
>
> Thank you,
>
> George

... As I said - see the bios, ensure the Reader is set to boot 1st.
Tada!

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